How can a good looking swing be so bad?

pwahmypwahmy Members Posts: 60 ✭✭
I’m not trying to toot my own horn by any means because I took a couple week layoff which is a lot if you play college golf but it just didn’t fit in the schedule. Last time I had played I qualified for the tournament with a few low 70 rounds. Came back to qualify for a tournament last week and played awful the first day, took a look at my swing on video and some of the positions in my mind look amazing. P2 maybe slightly inside but roughly around the hands club goes up through the forearm, back down through forearm and hands, and then just horribly toe hooked. I don’t get it, it’s so frustrating because my swing looks so good to me on camera, I guess I’m missing something.



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  • MonteScheinblumMonteScheinblum Rebellion Golf Sponsors Posts: 18,228 ✭✭
    I’d get with someone who knows what they’re doing and work out this issue.



    Youre flexing at the waist/hips a significant amount in the backswing when you’re supposed to extend.



    When you do that right it’s going to change what needs to happen in transition and you want someone standing there, guiding you through this,
  • pwahmypwahmy Members Posts: 60 ✭✭
    edited Oct 9, 2018 #3
    I’d get with someone who knows what they’re doing and work out this issue.



    Youre flexing at the waist/hips a significant amount in the backswing when you’re supposed to extend.



    When you do that right it’s going to change what needs to happen in transition and you want someone standing there, guiding you through this,




    Thanks Monte, I just don’t know who I can trust to get the right information from. I live in Arkansas and I’m just afraid the instructors here maybe aren’t as qualified as else where, but I could be wrong.



    Edit: I’d also like to say I’m not worried about the cost of a lessons, I just don’t want to have to drive hours away from school just to get a lesson.
  • bogeyprobogeypro The Original Bogeypro ClubWRX Posts: 3,227 ClubWRX
    edited Oct 9, 2018 #4
    pwahmy wrote:


    I’m not trying to toot my own horn by any means because I took a couple week layoff which is a lot if you play college golf but it just didn’t fit in the schedule. Last time I had played I qualified for the tournament with a few low 70 rounds. Came back to qualify for a tournament last week and played awful the first day, took a look at my swing on video and some of the positions in my mind look amazing. P2 maybe slightly inside but roughly around the hands club goes up through the forearm, back down through forearm and hands, and then just horribly toe hooked. I don’t get it, it’s so frustrating because my swing looks so good to me on camera, I guess I’m missing something.








    Do you have a face on view?



    Personally, I suspect your trail elbow is slightly behind you and stalling slightly. This causing the clubface to roll a hour early and causing the toe hook.
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  • elthrillelthrill Members Posts: 152 ✭✭
    edited Oct 10, 2018 #5
    it looks like your arms get just ever so slightly behind your chest/turn/pivot and you have a little slingshot with the right arm/wrist at the end which is going to cause some big hooks at times.



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    30 minutes with that drill each practice session will help
  • MountainGoatMountainGoat Mid-MarylandMembers Posts: 1,660 ✭✭
    Sorry, but that's not a good looking swing. You're way out of position at the top and have no chance of getting back to the ball without significantly re-routing the club. You'll get away with it with perfect tempo, but otherwise...no chance.
  • KevinnzKevinnz Members Posts: 183 ✭✭
    Well even the top pros have their off days and cannot hit the ball at all, have some confidence in your swing man, it doesnt look too much off a good match up and no one has a perfect swing.

    Try to sync it up by either slow down your pivot or get arms in front of you.
  • PoserPoser Members Posts: 1,743 ✭✭


    Sorry, but that's not a good looking swing. You're way out of position at the top and have no chance of getting back to the ball without significantly re-routing the club. You'll get away with it with perfect tempo, but otherwise...no chance.




    Daniel Berger would strongly disagree with you.
  • pwahmypwahmy Members Posts: 60 ✭✭
    Sorry, but that's not a good looking swing. You're way out of position at the top and have no chance of getting back to the ball without significantly re-routing the club. You'll get away with it with perfect tempo, but otherwise...no chance.




    All about match ups for the most part guy, but I guess there’s no good golfers that lay the club off. Not Daniel nor Sergio thanks for the feedback though
  • GolfjackGolfjack All about the rotation Members Posts: 992 ✭✭
    You're obviously a very good golfer and your swing looks a lot better than most, but seriously getting a professional to look at it objectively will help. It seems like (don't we all) we all think our swings look really good. When a pro looks at it he/she can help fix your issues. And, uh, what Monte said. If he doesn't think an online lesson would help as much, go to a local coach. Try a few until you find one that you like.
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  • CwebbCwebb Members Posts: 5,866 ✭✭
    You're laid off at the top and then under plane coming down. There's room for improvement with your positions
  • A.PrinceyA.Princey Major Hacker Members Posts: 2,150 ✭✭
    Yeah, something happens after transition about 1/4 of the way down. You go from laid off to something else. Watching pro swings that use that move hold that laid off position longer into the downswing.



    Also, your hands are doing something disconnected to start the backswing. They start going back on the neck plane but halfway up they start going back more on the original shaft plane. It's almost like you're creating the laid off position on the way up instead of letting it happen naturally at the top like Sergio. Again, he's all I looked at in comparison, but watch his hands on the way up follow a circular path, your path changes once your lead arm is parallel with the ground. Just pointing out things that are noticeable.
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  • tatertottatertot Members Posts: 4,378 ✭✭
    pwahmy wrote:

    Sorry, but that's not a good looking swing. You're way out of position at the top and have no chance of getting back to the ball without significantly re-routing the club. You'll get away with it with perfect tempo, but otherwise...no chance.




    All about match ups for the most part guy, but I guess there’s no good golfers that lay the club off. Not Daniel nor Sergio thanks for the feedback though




    Classic GolfWRX ...



    OP asks for feedback ... OP gets feedback, doesn't like feedback, tells person to take a hike.



    Real reason for thread ...



    Yes OP, you have a beautiful swing, I'm envious and don't know why you don't shoot 62 every round.
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  • cleatiscleatis Members Posts: 73 ✭✭
    Personally, I would try to keep my head from moving right left up and down for more consistency.
  • DJGainerDJGainer Members Posts: 124 ✭✭
    pwahmy wrote:

    I’d get with someone who knows what they’re doing and work out this issue.



    Youre flexing at the waist/hips a significant amount in the backswing when you’re supposed to extend.



    When you do that right it’s going to change what needs to happen in transition and you want someone standing there, guiding you through this,




    Thanks Monte, I just don’t know who I can trust to get the right information from. I live in Arkansas and I’m just afraid the instructors here maybe aren’t as qualified as else where, but I could be wrong.



    Edit: I’d also like to say I’m not worried about the cost of a lessons, I just don’t want to have to drive hours away from school just to get a lesson.




    I tend to think this forum best serves high and mid handicaps who have an obvious fundamental swing flaw that is discernible from just watching a video of the swing. But you indicate you have a low handicap and can't see what's wrong with your swing, which you think looks great (I have no opinion either way). You should really speak with a few instructors, pick one you're comfortable with, and get in person help or you might just start making the problems worse or introduce new flaws. Just my opinion.
  • moehoganmoehogan Members Posts: 1,034 ✭✭
    IMO, DS pivot issue. Right hip stall in DS due to losing target wise pressure in the right foot push point causes shoulder turn to be too vertical through impact and hands not out enough.



    In transition, load down into the base knuckle of the right big toe and use that leverage to get the right hip moving down and to the target. Right knee, right quadricep or right groin to target ... take your pick!
  • KuchhhhhhKuchhhhhh Members Posts: 2,221 ✭✭
    pwahmy wrote:


    I’m not trying to toot my own horn by any means because I took a couple week layoff which is a lot if you play college golf but it just didn’t fit in the schedule. Last time I had played I qualified for the tournament with a few low 70 rounds. Came back to qualify for a tournament last week and played awful the first day, took a look at my swing on video and some of the positions in my mind look amazing. P2 maybe slightly inside but roughly around the hands club goes up through the forearm, back down through forearm and hands, and then just horribly toe hooked. I don’t get it, it’s so frustrating because my swing looks so good to me on camera, I guess I’m missing something.



    https://youtu.be/A0YLL3UHPss




    Funny you post this, I just had a lesson with Dan where he told me I was hitting great positions but was a little stiff and swing could dynamically be better. My previous lesson was on right wrist bend - I cheated by having a ton on the backswing and not increasing it on the DS. He showed me a couple great players who went from cupped to flexed on DS and its way more dynamic/produces better results.
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  • Krt22Krt22 Members Posts: 6,437 ✭✭
    tatertot wrote:

    pwahmy wrote:

    Sorry, but that's not a good looking swing. You're way out of position at the top and have no chance of getting back to the ball without significantly re-routing the club. You'll get away with it with perfect tempo, but otherwise...no chance.




    All about match ups for the most part guy, but I guess there’s no good golfers that lay the club off. Not Daniel nor Sergio thanks for the feedback though




    Classic GolfWRX ...



    OP asks for feedback ... OP gets feedback, doesn't like feedback, tells person to take a hike.



    Real reason for thread ...



    Yes OP, you have a beautiful swing, I'm envious and don't know why you don't shoot 62 every round.




    Yep, always very interesting when this happens.



    With that being said, I would start with what Monte suggested.
  • ksgolfcoachksgolfcoach Director of Instruction at Firekeeper Golf Course Members Posts: 732 ✭✭
    Pivot needs a lot of work. As monte said, right side not extending in bs is the start of all your issues
  • dg_1983dg_1983 Members Posts: 1,283 ✭✭
    Good luck bro, maybe some humility in your posts would make folks warm to you a bit more....
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  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl Members Posts: 5,438 ✭✭
    pwahmy wrote:

    Sorry, but that's not a good looking swing. You're way out of position at the top and have no chance of getting back to the ball without significantly re-routing the club. You'll get away with it with perfect tempo, but otherwise...no chance.




    All about match ups for the most part guy, but I guess there’s no good golfers that lay the club off. Not Daniel nor Sergio thanks for the feedback though




    How are those match ups working out? You came here asking questions for a reason.
  • tatertottatertot Members Posts: 4,378 ✭✭
    pwahmy wrote:


    I’m not trying to toot my own horn by any means because I took a couple week layoff which is a lot if you play college golf but it just didn’t fit in the schedule. Last time I had played I qualified for the tournament with a few low 70 rounds. Came back to qualify for a tournament last week and played awful the first day, took a look at my swing on video and some of the positions in my mind look amazing. P2 maybe slightly inside but roughly around the hands club goes up through the forearm, back down through forearm and hands, and then just horribly toe hooked. I don’t get it, it’s so frustrating because my swing looks so good to me on camera, I guess I’m missing something.








    To paraphrase ...



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  • ObeeObee ClubWRX Posts: 3,711 ClubWRX
    Yeah, I don't like your P2 position. Would fix that first.



    What's your lowest score in competition this year? What is your scoring average?
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,799 ✭✭
    edited Oct 13, 2018 #24
    tatertot wrote:

    pwahmy wrote:

    Sorry, but that's not a good looking swing. You're way out of position at the top and have no chance of getting back to the ball without significantly re-routing the club. You'll get away with it with perfect tempo, but otherwise...no chance.




    All about match ups for the most part guy, but I guess there’s no good golfers that lay the club off. Not Daniel nor Sergio thanks for the feedback though




    Classic GolfWRX ...



    OP asks for feedback ... OP gets feedback, doesn't like feedback, tells person to take a hike.



    Real reason for thread ...



    Yes OP, you have a beautiful swing, I'm envious and don't know why you don't shoot 62 every round.




    Yes but it’s the classsic peanut gallery advice



    “ that’s not a good looking swing. Your positions are way off. Positions man !!! P13 is at least a gnat hair under plane. And what about your shoes. Aren’t they a tad too tight “?





    Is like the old T bone served on a trashcan lid. The presentation ruins even the best things.



    Laypeople do not understand half of what’s said about a swing here. ( I’m not talking about Dan, Monte etc ) I was put off with him being told his swing sucked. And you weren’t talking about me.
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  • straightshot7straightshot7 Members Posts: 2,982 ✭✭
    pwahmy wrote:


    I’m not trying to toot my own horn by any means because I took a couple week layoff which is a lot if you play college golf but it just didn’t fit in the schedule. Last time I had played I qualified for the tournament with a few low 70 rounds. Came back to qualify for a tournament last week and played awful the first day, took a look at my swing on video and some of the positions in my mind look amazing. P2 maybe slightly inside but roughly around the hands club goes up through the forearm, back down through forearm and hands, and then just horribly toe hooked. I don’t get it, it’s so frustrating because my swing looks so good to me on camera, I guess I’m missing something.



    https://youtu.be/A0YLL3UHPss




    By your own admission you took a couple weeks off, then came back and "played awful".



    I'd take the advice of the knowledgeable swing people here like Monte and get some help in that department.



    But, maybe don't get so technical in analyzing your swing. Consider the fact that you haven't been playing/practicing very much. You will probably start to play better and hit the ball solid by working on the range through feel and feedback from your ball flight, and not analyzing your own swing on video.



    Hitting the ball pure is about more than just achieving the correct swing positions. It requires the correct setup, balance, rhythm, timing, etc. and PRACTICE.
  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers Posts: 7,221 ✭✭
    edited Oct 13, 2018 #26
    This thread made me laugh. Thanks.



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  • getitdailygetitdaily Members Posts: 2,440 ✭✭
    I agree big time with monte here. You've got ability but there things that could be changed, however, something changed will likely cause problems somewhere else. You go tinkering with thoughts from the board and you'll struggle big time.



    There are some really odd moves in your swing that you've made work. You go trying to hit positions that are "optimal" and you'll be worse off without guided direction on how to sequence changes.
  • BuzzkillBuzzkill Marshals Posts: 6,726 mod
    edited Oct 13, 2018 #28


    Sorry, but that's not a good looking swing. You're way out of position at the top and have no chance of getting back to the ball without significantly re-routing the club. You'll get away with it with perfect tempo, but otherwise...no chance.


    I agree with the look of the swing BUT Bryson and Furyk looks odd but works so go figure.
  • Krt22Krt22 Members Posts: 6,437 ✭✭
    Bryson and Furyk are also highly talented professionals who have spent thousands of hours honing their swings. There isn't any reason to use them as an example for making the game harder than it needs to be
  • PowderedToastManPowderedToastMan Members Posts: 3,783 ✭✭
    I posted my swing to this forum once, when I was a +4 no less, and got ripped apart. The nicest comment of all was “are you sure you didn’t mean you’re a 4?”. Dan and Monte gave me good advice though.



    You need to learn that once you post to the instruction forum, the masses will think good players have horrible swings that need overhauls and mid-high handicappers have good swings that need tweaks. I have no idea why that’s the pattern but it’s what I’ve observed. I can also honestly say that you shouldn’t trust 95% of the advice you read on here. It’s usually well intentioned, but bad. It’s why Monte and Dan comment and their advice is usually way different than anything else said.



    In summary, pick someone you trust, like Monte or Dan, and email them your swing directly, along with money. They know how to help good players. Your problems aren’t big at all. You need tweaks and direction.
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,799 ✭✭


    I posted my swing to this forum once, when I was a +4 no less, and got ripped apart. The nicest comment of all was “are you sure you didn’t mean you’re a 4?”. Dan and Monte gave me good advice though.



    You need to learn that once you post to the instruction forum, the masses will think good players have horrible swings that need overhauls and mid-high handicappers have good swings that need tweaks. I have no idea why that’s the pattern but it’s what I’ve observed. I can also honestly say that you shouldn’t trust 95% of the advice you read on here. It’s usually well intentioned, but bad. It’s why Monte and Dan comment and their advice is usually way different than anything else said.



    In summary, pick someone you trust, like Monte or Dan, and email them your swing directly, along with money. They know how to help good players. Your problems aren’t big at all. You need tweaks and direction.








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