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This club has been refinished with a new insert

CHARLEY PENNA

[MoaningM]

Managed to pick this up the other day, anyone give me a clue as to what it is? Im assuming its someone who has had a custom 1 iron made as to jack specs?

 

Anyone?

 

 

 

 

 

[ScooterMcTavish]

Looks like a quick path to numb hands.....

[ScooterMcTavish]

Hi Tad,

If you happen to be around today, I am picking up my TM-92 Australian Blades this week from my postal service. My question was, what where the standard lofts for these clubs for me to match wedges with them?

Also, how soft are these forgings? Is it likely we've lost the original loft out of them by more than a degree or two?

Thanks in advance for your help.

[teevons]

Managed to pick this up the other day, anyone give me a clue as to what it is? Im assuming its someone who has had a custom 1 iron made as to jack specs?

 

Anyone?

 

 

 

 

 

I think it is part of a 1-PW limited set that Mac came out with, SS1 was Nicklaus first set played when he turned pro with Macgregor

[HoganApexBlades]

Teevons is correct. According to the Golfworks bible, in 1987, MacGregor released a set of 25th Anniversary Commemorative clubs for a retail price of $2,500.00, the set included 2 woods, 11 irons and a putter. Since MacGregor no longer owned the rights to the name "Tommy Armour", the backpad of the irons and the crown of the woods said "Tourney Custom" instead. I'm sure the putter said the same instead of GeoLow, Sportsman and Wizard 600.

[HoganApexBlades]

P.S. Nice find of the butter knife!

[MoaningM]

Actually hit it ok today, it looks a little more meaty at address than a lot of earlier one irons, admittedly didnt hit it off the deck, im not completely mad!

Cheers for the replies guys.

[Kathy Marie]

[quote name='ScooterMcTavish' timestamp='1411418672' post='10164579']
My question was, what where the standard lofts for these clubs for me to match wedges with them?
[/quote]

I found a couple of links that might be useful Scooter, they are:

[url="http://www.equip2golf.com/specifications/specs_frameset.html?maxfli/maxfli_austrailian_blade.html~specs"]http://www.equip2gol...lade.html~specs[/url]

and

[url="http://www.golfclubspec.com/iron_results.php?id=140"]http://www.golfclubs...ults.php?id=140[/url]

I don't *think* they're affiliated but those data base pages sure look similar and the numbers are the same...

And as long as I'm stirring the pot, I found these while looking for something else:

[url="http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maxfli-TM-92-Australian-Blades-2-pw-Heads-only-/321529201390"]http://www.ebay.com/...y-/321529201390[/url]

They have sure gone up though! When I found the auction it was $25 and holding...

HTH,

KM

[NRJyzr]

[quote name='Kathy Marie' timestamp='1411430071' post='10165649']
[quote name='ScooterMcTavish' timestamp='1411418672' post='10164579']
My question was, what where the standard lofts for these clubs for me to match wedges with them?
[/quote]

I found a couple of links that might be useful Scooter, they are:

[url="http://www.equip2golf.com/specifications/specs_frameset.html?maxfli/maxfli_austrailian_blade.html~specs"]http://www.equip2gol...lade.html~specs[/url]

and

[url="http://www.golfclubspec.com/iron_results.php?id=140"]http://www.golfclubs...ults.php?id=140[/url]

I don't *think* they're affiliated but those data base pages sure look similar and the numbers are the same...

And as long as I'm stirring the pot, I found these while looking for something else:

[url="http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maxfli-TM-92-Australian-Blades-2-pw-Heads-only-/321529201390"]http://www.ebay.com/...y-/321529201390[/url]

They have sure gone up though! When I found the auction it was $25 and holding...

HTH,

KM
[/quote]

You sure are doing a lot of digging, Kathy. Nicely done.

The Equip2Golf and GolfClubSpecs are sister sites, so to speak. Equip2Golf was the first site, GolfClubSpec was spawned from it. I think there's at least one other site spawned from Equip2Golf, with one relating to golf ball reviews/testing, but I'm not remembering the URL or name off top of my head.

The Maxfli Australian Blade specs listed on that site are from the last iteration of Aussie Blades that were companion to the black dot Maxfli Revolution irons. They're a bit different than the TM-92s, and depending on who you talk to, may be closer to the Ralph Maltby-designed MCT-97 Aussie Blades.

I wish I could remember the specs for the TM-92s. Another golf forum I belong to probably had that info buried somewhere, but I believe the old posts were largely lost in a forum software switch. Oh well....

[Kathy Marie]

Well, that was some Serious Shopping when I was looking for my very own Tad's Maxfli putter last night. If Tad's name was on it, I looked at it!

Plus, often I don't know what people are talking about on the board. So I keep an additional window open to look things up: golf clubs, names I don't know, books to get from the library. I've learned a lot!

[ScooterMcTavish]

KM, thanks for digging. I had been on that website before for lofts but was unable to find it this time (me the master of Google.....).

NRJyzer, my hope is that the set will have at least a 48* PW, and that the later set did is a positive sign, though I think loft-jacking didn't really start happening until the 2000's. So this is good.

Looks like a 53* SW and 60* LW wouldn't be out of place.

[birly-shirly]

[quote name='ScooterMcTavish' timestamp='1411481537' post='10168475']

NRJyzer, my hope is that the set will have at least a 48* PW, and that the later set did is a positive sign, though I think loft-jacking didn't really start happening until the 2000's. So this is good.

[/quote]I think loft creep was already happening in the 80s and 90s, but not so much in players blades. I'd be very surprised if the PW was stronger than 48* - that's the loft on my Maxfli Revolution PW, which was both newer and Game Improvementier than the TM92s.

On the other hand, I've seen forged blades knocked well out of spec. It's well worth checking - and if you're doing that, you might as well get the lofts bent to whatever you like. Adding loft to a strong PW will only add a little bounce and reduce any offset - both side-effects that I imagine you can live with.

But did I really just hear "60* LW" on the Classics Forum? Oh, the horror...!

MoaningM - that's a cracking looking knife you've got there. The satin finish and shaft label look like late-ish Jack-era MacGregor - but is that a pinned hosel? That, the black face, and the block capitals rather than cursive Nicklaus stamp make it look much older.

As far as I can make out, the Velocitized shaft seems to have been just rebadged Dynamic Gold. The step pattern on my set certainly matches up.

[ScooterMcTavish]

[quote name='birly-shirly' timestamp='1411483889' post='10168801']

But did I really just hear "60* LW" on the Classics Forum? Oh, the horror...!

[/quote]

If I said 58* LW does that keep me in the club?

Pretty sure someone made a 58-60* wedge back in the day. Didn't the Eye2s have a 60* LW that could be added?

[birly-shirly]

I think, perhaps, a 58* SW might be allowed. But not a LW.

[NRJyzr]

A classic wedge enthusiast of my acquaintance from another golf forum has a very large collection of classic wedges. Per his research, many of the sand irons of olde were 60°.

It makes sense, especially in the early days of steel shafts, when 9 irons were in the 52° range. Even post-WWII, he says many sand wedges were still 60°.

The "lob wedge" only came into being due to loft creep affecting wedges, as it did iron lofts. As the PW got stronger, so did the SW, to 58°, then to the 56° so many remember from the Wilson Staff TourBlade/FG17 era.

One could argue Tom Kite merely restored the 60° wedge to its rightful place.

IMHO, there's nothing wrong with a 60° wedge in the classic bag...

[birly-shirly]

I'd take slight issue with loft creep on PW and SW moving in parallel. In the time I've been playing, any "standard" PW loft has gone from 50* or more to 48* or less, with no real drift in SW loft from 55* or 56*. If loft creep had affected both PW and SW, then we wouldn't have gap wedges.

I don't doubt that some old sand wedges were manufactured to 58* - I'd be interested in any post-war/pre-80s wedges more lofted than that. Obviously any wedge can be bent - I wonder what the original Sarazen wedges specced at.

Then there's the question of whether those classic wedges were general purpose pitching clubs - or a specialist sand club with a ton of weight and bounce.

What I've always found puzzling is the practice of having a wedge that's more lofted than whatever wedge you use out of bunkers. A high-bounce 56* and a low-bounce 60* just seems like an odd combination to me, albeit that it's common.

Honestly, I'm not THAT worried about what anyone sticks in their bag. I am interested though in how the short game has evolved. I think it's fair to say that many people are trying to hit pitch shots now with more loft than they would have used in the past and I do think that there's a point where more loft becomes more trouble than it's worth for shots that could be played readily with an old-school PW or SW.

A 60* wedge in a classic bag isn't the same as a 60* classic wedge though. There just aren't that many of them around, IMO. RAM providing borderline, but honorable, exceptions.

[teevons]

I took this old Spalding Super Dynamiter and measured loft, 62 degrees, I can tell by the bounce angle that it has not been bent, sits perfect, I am thinking early 40's on it

[birly-shirly]

Interesting club teevons. When you say it sits perfect, do you mean that it doesn't have a great deal of bounce? That would certainly tally with the loft not having been cranked. How do you like it for playing?

[NRJyzr]

[quote name='birly-shirly' timestamp='1411491825' post='10169605']
I'd take slight issue with loft creep on PW and SW moving in parallel. In the time I've been playing, any "standard" PW loft has gone from 50* or more to 48* or less, with no real drift in SW loft from 55* or 56*. If loft creep had affected both PW and SW, then we wouldn't have gap wedges.
[/quote]

That to which you're speaking, birly, is at the heart of what prompted me to make that earlier post.

Most of us are of an age where the classic pitching wedge at 50° was that with which we were familiar (or in my case, would have been, had I been playing golf), and the sand wedge was 56°. We see this as a fixed point in time, and base much of our perspective on those.

However, it wasn't all THAT long prior when the PW was 52° and the SW was routinely 58°. Maybe the mid to late 60s, or even early 70s? Place this conversation 20 years ago, between middle aged golfers, one might be hearing about the 52/58 "standard lofts."

Ultimately, loft creep isn't a new phenomenon, it's been gradually occurring in golf clubs over the last 80 years, if not longer.

[teevons]

[quote name='birly-shirly' timestamp='1411494287' post='10169825']
Interesting club teevons. When you say it sits perfect, do you mean that it doesn't have a great deal of bounce? That would certainly tally with the loft not having been cranked. How do you like it for playing?
[/quote]By perfect I mean it has not been altered, sits flat,and yes it does not have much bounce.
I did not like playing it as it has sharp leading edge, I have a tendency to dig so not the club for me

[Kirasdad]

[quote name='ScooterMcTavish' timestamp='1411487443' post='10169199']
[quote name='birly-shirly' timestamp='1411483889' post='10168801']

But did I really just hear "60* LW" on the Classics Forum? Oh, the horror...!

[/quote]

If I said 58* LW does that keep me in the club?

Pretty sure someone made a 58-60* wedge back in the day. Didn't the Eye2s have a 60* LW that could be added?
[/quote]

The Hawk carried a 60 in the mid fifties, not sure if he had it in the sack for "The Match" but it's documented that he had one.

[birly-shirly]

[quote name='NRJyzr' timestamp='1411494503' post='10169843']
[quote name='birly-shirly' timestamp='1411491825' post='10169605']
I'd take slight issue with loft creep on PW and SW moving in parallel. In the time I've been playing, any "standard" PW loft has gone from 50* or more to 48* or less, with no real drift in SW loft from 55* or 56*. If loft creep had affected both PW and SW, then we wouldn't have gap wedges.
[/quote]

That to which you're speaking, birly, is at the heart of what prompted me to make that earlier post.

Most of us are of an age where the classic pitching wedge at 50° was that with which we were familiar (or in my case, would have been, had I been playing golf), and the sand wedge was 56°. We see this as a fixed point in time, and base much of our perspective on those.

However, it wasn't all THAT long prior when the PW was 52° and the SW was routinely 58°. Maybe the mid to late 60s, or even early 70s? Place this conversation 20 years ago, between middle aged golfers, one might be hearing about the 52/58 "standard lofts."

Ultimately, loft creep isn't a new phenomenon, it's been gradually occurring in golf clubs over the last 80 years, if not longer.
[/quote]

I don't entirely agree. Ralph Maltby listed published specs for the major manufacturers back to '74. In terms of trends, you can certainly see PWs being de-lofted into the '80s, but SWs, whilst they vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, remain most commonly at 55* or 56*.

Back in '74 there were a couple of manufacturers speccing a more lofted SW of perhaps 57* or 58* - including Spalding - but by far the most common loft was 56*.

I also have Hogan SWs from the 60s and 50s which I reckon are close to their original spec at 56*. Jody Vasquez says in his book that Hogan gamed a 55* SW, though I'm sure he had other wedges. I think Hogan said in one of his own books that he carried a couple of different wedges to tournaments and chose one to put in play based on the conditions he found.

[ScooterMcTavish]

Thanks Tim,

Guess I can expect to see the wedge in the mail this week?

LOL.

Ready to throw the FG-17s in a ditch. Was in love with them last week, out of love this week, on to eBay next week.

Radials have a bid so they're gone, TMs coming, Flatbacks at the lake. To keep or not to keep the Eye2s.....that is the $125 question.

[40yrgolfer]

[quote name='ScooterMcTavish' timestamp='1411512660' post='10171543']
Thanks Tim,

Guess I can expect to see the wedge in the mail this week?

LOL.

Ready to throw the FG-17s in a ditch. Was in love with them last week, out of love this week, on to eBay next week.

Radials have a bid so they're gone, TMs coming, Flatbacks at the lake. To keep or not to keep the Eye2s.....that is the $125 question.
[/quote]
Recently picked up some interesting items from a Craigslist ad. Set of Walter Hagen, Haig Ultras 2-PW all original, 2,3,and 4 wood MacGregor M85Ws, and a couple of old Wilson Staff Dynapower Sand Wedges all for $35.00.

[ScooterMcTavish]

^^^ nice haul.....

[birly-shirly]

[quote name='ScooterMcTavish' timestamp='1411512660' post='10171543']
Thanks Tim,

Guess I can expect to see the wedge in the mail this week?

LOL.

Ready to throw the FG-17s in a ditch. Was in love with them last week, out of love this week, on to eBay next week.

Radials have a bid so they're gone, TMs coming, Flatbacks at the lake. To keep or not to keep the Eye2s.....that is the $125 question.
[/quote]

Nice decluttering (for a ho). I no more have that shot in my bag than a high draw with a 1 iron.

[oldschoolrocker]

Nice find!!!

[ScooterMcTavish]

[quote name='birly-shirly' timestamp='1411491825' post='10169605']
I'd take slight issue with loft creep on PW and SW moving in parallel. In the time I've been playing, any "standard" PW loft has gone from 50* or more to 48* or less, with no real drift in SW loft from 55* or 56*. If loft creep had affected both PW and SW, then we wouldn't have gap wedges.

I don't doubt that some old sand wedges were manufactured to 58* - I'd be interested in any post-war/pre-80s wedges more lofted than that. Obviously any wedge can be bent - I wonder what the original Sarazen wedges specced at.

Then there's the question of whether those classic wedges were general purpose pitching clubs - or a specialist sand club with a ton of weight and bounce.

What I've always found puzzling is the practice of having a wedge that's more lofted than whatever wedge you use out of bunkers. A high-bounce 56* and a low-bounce 60* just seems like an odd combination to me, albeit that it's common.

Honestly, I'm not THAT worried about what anyone sticks in their bag. I am interested though in how the short game has evolved. I think it's fair to say that many people are trying to hit pitch shots now with more loft than they would have used in the past and I do think that there's a point where more loft becomes more trouble than it's worth for shots that could be played readily with an old-school PW or SW.

A 60* wedge in a classic bag isn't the same as a 60* classic wedge though. There just aren't that many of them around, IMO. RAM providing borderline, but honorable, exceptions.
[/quote]

This is an interesting point, as I too have seen people pitching with a 60* wedge. Me, I always try to use the lowest lofted club that will do the job, so I rarely ever pitch with anything more than a PW. In fact, I have pitched and chipped with everything down to a 5i depending on course conditions etc.

Where I like the 60* wedge is in that awkward 50-70 yd range, a place I find myself in at times on very long par 4s. Nice to have a club I can still take a rip with and stop the ball on the green.

Actually I think my Wilson Harmonized wedge has to be close to 58* (by eyeball), but its large bottom flange and bounce make it a difficult tool to use in fairways.

[dbuck47]

Scooter,

I would have to vote for keeping the Eye 2's if they are the proper color dot for you. It's just a good set to always have; even if you laid off for a spell due to whatever, you could pick those up and go. That is why my old Titleist DCI's will always be in the back of the closet. In your situation, I might make the Eye 2's the "lake set".

I aquired a partial set of Eye 2's this summer that are 1 step up and long. I am gonna find a 6 iron and give them to my 6'2" son as he plays maybe once or twice a year.