4-Man Scramble... 44... What? How?

[Golfrnut]

[quote name='joey2aces' timestamp='1413404698' post='10294453'] [quote name='ocburg17' timestamp='1413404104' post='10294381'] 48/44 didn't happen. I played in some unlimited string tournaments and even then those kind of scores would have been nearly impossible. 50 is pretty much the limit there. I'm hoping that you didn't just let it happen, and someone made a stink about it. [/quote] I was coming back to say the same thing.... this stinks even more that 2nd was a 48. [/quote]

I would agree that 44 is would be really unlikely, but I did shoot a 48 with a team in a 4-man about 4-5 months ago. Granted, not really comparing apples to apples in this case. The course is only 6100 yards on the boxes they hold the tournaments on(white tees). We have a guy that absolutely bombs it(have watched him 2 yards short of a 298 yd lasered carry), and even crazier, he hits it straight. We have a second guy, that is not far behind, but can also drive it off the planet. Realistically, with that length, we should not be playing from those tees. On top of that, it was a fund-raiser tournament, so we had string, mulligans, "throws", and all that other craziness. As an example, I hit to about 4 feet on a 160ish yard par 3, we took my "throw", and basically dropped it in the hole for a net "1". Between that one and lying one around the green, chipping close for 2, and then using string, I thing we eagled 2 or three par 4's that tournament. Like I say, not a 1:1 comparison as both the course/rules seems like they were different, but a 48 is possible. 44, yeah, that would be pretty amazing as I don't think we really left anything on the table to even be able to think we "could" have gotten to a 44.

[Hateto3Putt]

I was recently at a scramble outing with a skins portion. This was held at a regulation course, no mulligans, string or other BS. Shortest par 4 was 360 yards.

There was 1 skin. An eagle on a par 4. All par 3's were tied with birdies, all par 5's were tied with eagles.

Using the absolute[b] best score posted on every hole[/b], the entire field (100+ players) shot a 49.

Winning score was -13. My team was -9 with some mediocre putting.

I'll say it again. 44 is BS.

[BillyZ2]

[quote][color=#282828]As an example, I hit to about 4 feet on a 160ish yard par 3, we took my "throw", and basically dropped it in the hole for a net "1". [/color][/quote]
Wait a minute, what you are saying is you actually got a birdie on a par 3 and then marked down a hole in one???

[bigmoneyp]

scrambles are all about cheating... everyone knows that. I always play them legit and shoot somewhere in the low 60's and expect to always lose. for me its about the charity and fellowship. i hope to win something on the raffles.

[Golfrnut]

[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1413996768' post='10333153'] [quote][color=#282828]As an example, I hit to about 4 feet on a 160ish yard par 3, we took my "throw", and basically dropped it in the hole for a net "1". [/color][/quote] Wait a minute, what you are saying is you actually got a birdie on a par 3 and then marked down a hole in one??? [/quote]

The "throws" as they put it are free-bees by the way they set the rules. It is exactly what it implies, you are allowed to literally pick up the ball and throw it without counting it as a stroke(don't flog me, that's just the rules they play off of). So in the case of that, one, we used a throw to basically drop it in the hole, so yes, it was a net score of basically being an ace.

You have to remember, these are fund-raiser tournaments that are a way to raise money for CFC campaigns, cancer awareness, Christmas parties, etc. They are military sponsored tournaments, not high-profile events. You get all kinds of folks in those things, where folks have maybe played once in their life and still have to rent clubs, to pretty descent players. The additives like string and throws are just there to try and speed up everyone, same reason as the double-par rule. And even still, those rounds still take 5+ hours usually. They are designed for people to have fun, raise money, and give people an excuse to not be at work.

[BillyZ2]

[quote name='Golfrnut' timestamp='1413997999' post='10333279']
[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1413996768' post='10333153'] [quote][color=#282828]As an example, I hit to about 4 feet on a 160ish yard par 3, we took my "throw", and basically dropped it in the hole for a net "1". [/color][/quote] Wait a minute, what you are saying is you actually got a birdie on a par 3 and then marked down a hole in one??? [/quote]

The "throws" as they put it are free-bees by the way they set the rules. It is exactly what it implies, you are allowed to literally pick up the ball and throw it without counting it as a stroke(don't flog me, that's just the rules they play off of). So in the case of that, one, we used a throw to basically drop it in the hole, so yes, it was a net score of basically being an ace.

You have to remember, these are fund-raiser tournaments that are a way to raise money for CFC campaigns, cancer awareness, Christmas parties, etc. They are military sponsored tournaments, not high-profile events. You get all kinds of folks in those things, where folks have maybe played once in their life and still have to rent clubs, to pretty descent players. The additives like string and throws are just there to try and speed up everyone, same reason as the double-par rule. And even still, those rounds still take 5+ hours usually. They are designed for people to have fun, raise money, and give people an excuse to not be at work.
[/quote]You should try playing in a real scramble where there aren't any gimmicks. If I played in a gimmicky scramble, I sure wouldn't go onto a golf blog like WRX and brag about my score. That's like coming here and telling the blog that your team shot a 44 playing disc golf. No harm meant, but this is a golf forum.

[BillyZ2]

[quote name='bigmoneyp' timestamp='1413997037' post='10333189']
scrambles are all about cheating... everyone knows that. I always play them legit and shoot somewhere in the low 60's and expect to always lose. for me its about the charity and fellowship. i hope to win something on the raffles.
[/quote]That's the only attitude you can take, otherwise it would psss people off getting scammed all the time.

[Golfrnut]

[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1413998229' post='10333309']
[quote name='Golfrnut' timestamp='1413997999' post='10333279']
[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1413996768' post='10333153'] [quote][color=#282828]As an example, I hit to about 4 feet on a 160ish yard par 3, we took my "throw", and basically dropped it in the hole for a net "1". [/color][/quote] Wait a minute, what you are saying is you actually got a birdie on a par 3 and then marked down a hole in one??? [/quote]

The "throws" as they put it are free-bees by the way they set the rules. It is exactly what it implies, you are allowed to literally pick up the ball and throw it without counting it as a stroke(don't flog me, that's just the rules they play off of). So in the case of that, one, we used a throw to basically drop it in the hole, so yes, it was a net score of basically being an ace.

You have to remember, these are fund-raiser tournaments that are a way to raise money for CFC campaigns, cancer awareness, Christmas parties, etc. They are military sponsored tournaments, not high-profile events. You get all kinds of folks in those things, where folks have maybe played once in their life and still have to rent clubs, to pretty descent players. The additives like string and throws are just there to try and speed up everyone, same reason as the double-par rule. And even still, those rounds still take 5+ hours usually. They are designed for people to have fun, raise money, and give people an excuse to not be at work.
[/quote]You should try playing in a real scramble where there aren't any gimmicks. If I played in a gimmicky scramble, I sure wouldn't go onto a golf blog like WRX and brag about my score. That's like coming here and telling the blog that your team shot a 44 playing disc golf. No harm meant, but this is a golf forum.
[/quote]

You may take that as a brag, but I don't feel that I worded it to be that way in the context it was given in response to the posts that I quoted....

I stated why, and how under the rules that we were playing under, we able to score a 48 on the card. I said it was not a direct comparison to the OPs scramble, just an example. I don't know how I could have made that any clearer in my original post. If you took that as a brag, then you are reading way to much into it and attempting to make it into something it wasn't. If I had wanted to brag, I would have left all the details about throws, string, mulligans, etc out and just stated we were the best team ever, and I would have been on here months ago bragging about it. I really could care less about what something thinks about a score in a scramble, specially a loaded scramble.

And FYI, I have played in some higher-end scrambles that are straight-up(well, as straight up as it can be in a scramble), and we have done okay. We are also playing against a much tougher group of players that take the game a bit more seriously and are all really good sticks.

[BillyZ2]

[quote name='Golfrnut' timestamp='1413998963' post='10333375']
[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1413998229' post='10333309']
[quote name='Golfrnut' timestamp='1413997999' post='10333279']
[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1413996768' post='10333153'] [quote][color=#282828]As an example, I hit to about 4 feet on a 160ish yard par 3, we took my "throw", and basically dropped it in the hole for a net "1". [/color][/quote] Wait a minute, what you are saying is you actually got a birdie on a par 3 and then marked down a hole in one??? [/quote]

The "throws" as they put it are free-bees by the way they set the rules. It is exactly what it implies, you are allowed to literally pick up the ball and throw it without counting it as a stroke(don't flog me, that's just the rules they play off of). So in the case of that, one, we used a throw to basically drop it in the hole, so yes, it was a net score of basically being an ace.

You have to remember, these are fund-raiser tournaments that are a way to raise money for CFC campaigns, cancer awareness, Christmas parties, etc. They are military sponsored tournaments, not high-profile events. You get all kinds of folks in those things, where folks have maybe played once in their life and still have to rent clubs, to pretty descent players. The additives like string and throws are just there to try and speed up everyone, same reason as the double-par rule. And even still, those rounds still take 5+ hours usually. They are designed for people to have fun, raise money, and give people an excuse to not be at work.
[/quote]You should try playing in a real scramble where there aren't any gimmicks. If I played in a gimmicky scramble, I sure wouldn't go onto a golf blog like WRX and brag about my score. That's like coming here and telling the blog that your team shot a 44 playing disc golf. No harm meant, but this is a golf forum.
[/quote]

You may take that as a brag, but I don't feel that I worded it to be that way in the context it was given in response to the posts that I quoted....

I stated why, and how under the rules that we were playing under, we able to score a 48 on the card. I said it was not a direct comparison to the OPs scramble, just an example. I don't know how I could have made that any clearer in my original post. If you took that as a brag, then you are reading way to much into it and attempting to make it into something it wasn't. If I had wanted to brag, I would have left all the details about throws, string, mulligans, etc out and just stated we were the best team ever, and I would have been on here months ago bragging about it. I really could care less about what something thinks about a score in a scramble, specially a loaded scramble.

And FYI, I have played in some higher-end scrambles that are straight-up(well, as straight up as it can be in a scramble), and we have done okay. We are also playing against a much tougher group of players that take the game a bit more seriously and are all really good sticks.
[/quote]I guess my whole point was that shooting a 44 in a legitimate scramble is just plain BS, I know it.

[Golfrnut]

[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1414001219' post='10333607']
I guess my whole point was that shooting a 44 in a legitimate scramble is just plain BS, I know it.
[/quote]

Without aids, I agree.

But it also varies by what you mean by "legitimate" scramble....

[BillyZ2]

[quote name='Golfrnut' timestamp='1414001455' post='10333639']
[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1414001219' post='10333607']
I guess my whole point was that shooting a 44 in a legitimate scramble is just plain BS, I know it.
[/quote]

Without aids, I agree.

But it also varies by what you mean by "legitimate" scramble....
[/quote]Yes it does, and each has their significance. Like others have mentioned, they go to scrambles and are satisfied due to the charitable work that is accomplished there, and that's good. Others go to compete, and that is good as long as everybody is fair (but I don't think they are, often times). No matter what the rules are, including rules that make scoring easier, as long as everybody is in agreement and plays honestly, that's good to. Maybe I missed the part in the OP that stated there were special rules that made scoring easier? but if there weren't, a 44 is complete BS.

[driveandputtmachine]

A scramble with only mulligans, and none of the free throw, strings, play form the closest tee box multiple times a round and all of that jazz it is NOT possible to shoot that type of score. The lowest I have seen in person was a 50 in a three mulligans max per person. We played a relatively short course (6400 for the men and 5200 for the ladies)
Our Team
1. Me(pretty long with driver and very straight, great putter)
2. Best iron player I have ever played with, not long off the tee but straight, bad putter.
3. Another player a little more crooked than me off the tee, and shorter, but good irons and putter
4. Female (hits it 265 off the tee and straight) OK irons.

We only used five of the guys drives(outside of the par 3's). She hit 3 wood or driver on or next to most of the par 4's, over doglegs around corners. Three of the par 5's we had less than 115 in, one is a double dogleg you cannot hit in two. We eagled three of the par 5's, pared two par 3's and eagled three par 4's.

I have played with three other low single digit handicap guys numerous times and the best we have ever done was 17 under on a mulligan only scramble.

[nova6868]

[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1413987966' post='10332129']
[quote name='Aces-6' timestamp='1413936121' post='10329199']
No way in Hades did any four man team shoot 44, period! Reason 468 why I absolutely detest scrambles.

I know scrambles are for charity and typically very good causes and that's how I treat them, more of a donation to the cause so to speak.
[/quote]I witnessed cheating at a scramble that was appalling. On the longest drive hole, someone had put it out there decently and marked it. Our foursome was heading down the next hole that parallels the longest drive green, but of course, in the opposite direction. A guy hits a nice drive on the LD hole but is about 3-5 yards behind the previous LD marks but pulls the indicator, signs his name on it, and calls his drive the longest. We all new the guy, and all agreed that he boned the previous LD individual out of his drive.
[/quote]

I ripped a decent drive on the LD hole. Slightly downhill, GPS measured to 307. Thought I would have a chance, but couldn't find the marker. Couldn't even see it anywhere. Found out during the awards that the winner was like 360. OK...

[bigred90gt]

[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1413987966' post='10332129']
[quote name='Aces-6' timestamp='1413936121' post='10329199']
No way in Hades did any four man team shoot 44, period! Reason 468 why I absolutely detest scrambles.

I know scrambles are for charity and typically very good causes and that's how I treat them, more of a donation to the cause so to speak.
[/quote]I witnessed cheating at a scramble that was appalling. On the longest drive hole, someone had put it out there decently and marked it. Our foursome was heading down the next hole that parallels the longest drive green, but of course, in the opposite direction. A guy hits a nice drive on the LD hole but is about 3-5 yards behind the previous LD marks but pulls the indicator, signs his name on it, and calls his drive the longest. We all new the guy, and all agreed that he boned the previous LD individual out of his drive.
[/quote] something similar happened to me this year at the ASME tournent in Houston. I absolutely piped my drive on the long drive hole. I had a 7.5 deg G15 with a 48" LD shaft in it, and I pured it. The hole is around 530 yards, and I think I hit an 8 iron in (about 165-170 typically). The group behind us all hit their drives, and hit their second shots from before the crest of the hill. My marker was about 50 yards past the crest of the hill. I figured I had won when the tournament was over, only to see a guy from the group behind us get up to claim the prize. What can you do at that point?

[Hutchi15]

Maybe they only counted the front 9 lol

[tjumper78]

like some of the posters mentioned,
the only explanation is that the dear leader kim jong il came back from dead and played in that scramble.
his father might have been in it as well.

[Obee]

Where you able to buy "string"?

I've seen those types of scores with four scratch or below golfers on a course that allowed you 12 or 15 feet (or more) of "string" that you could use to move the baller closer (or in) to the hole.

Also, sometimes in a tournament that allows you to do that, people don't understand that you are supposed to snip off string each time you use some, so they think that anything inside 15 feet (or however long the "string" measures) is "in the hole."

I've actually seen this happen before in one of these tournaments....

[mukster]

Scrambles, buying mulligans, string, etc. Not golf, but something else.

[animalgolfs]

Best I've been a part of is
5 Eagles with holeing out on 1 par4
12 birdies
1 par
We took 3rd

[GodSpeed]

[quote name='nova6868' timestamp='1413247163' post='10281215']
Played in a 4-man scramble today, on a very challenging course. Add gusting winds to that and we weren't sure that any groups would break 60.

But the winning group turned in a 44? What? How is this even possible? I know a scramble isn't always the strictest rules, but seriously? Why would the tournament organizers even allow them to turn in such a score?

[/quote]

I think they put down how many beers they drank between the 4 of them as their score. I might have done something similar in a tournament once. We still ended up losing the tournament. And our livers.

[RookieBlue7]

We shot a 49 once... And had 80 feet of string combined and a dozen mulligans.

[cardoustie]

I saw a legit -23 or 48 in an event. Playing in 8 somes. 6400 yard course
No string or mullies or any other BS
Straight up cash event

Group eagled all four par 5's and also made an eagle on a driveable par 4. Birdies everywhere else. This is four guys all better than 0 of course

[BillyZ2]

that's nothing, we had a 41 on a scramble last year. No gimmicks, no games, just all 10 to 20 handicappers on a good day. I guess if everybody else can make up BS, so can I.

[jmerr55]

one word- bullxxxx!

[tlyrpr7]

I just wasted 10 min of my life reading this crap

[Forty]

Sounds like Kim Jong Un is gearing up for a run at the Green Jacket.

[jonflesh]

Late bump on this but just had something similar happen. Played a 4 man with no mulligans and shot 62 and were elated. Came in 2nd place. Winners beat us by 13.

[Billymo2]

dude some of these comments, killed me. The 44 beers comment takes the cake, classic mix up.

[EKELLY]

[quote name='Greenie' timestamp='1413248238' post='10281329']
So what gimmicks were they using in the scramble. The only way I could see a score that low would be if they bought a spoil of string.
[/quote]And "throws". Approach hit to the fringe, toss it at the hole, where it rests in now where the original shot is marked......lol

[EKELLY]

[quote name='Golfrnut' timestamp='1413998963' post='10333375']
[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1413998229' post='10333309']
[quote name='Golfrnut' timestamp='1413997999' post='10333279']
[quote name='Tom Gski' timestamp='1413996768' post='10333153'] [quote][color=#282828]As an example, I hit to about 4 feet on a 160ish yard par 3, we took my "throw", and basically dropped it in the hole for a net "1". [/color][/quote] Wait a minute, what you are saying is you actually got a birdie on a par 3 and then marked down a hole in one??? [/quote]

The "throws" as they put it are free-bees by the way they set the rules. It is exactly what it implies, you are allowed to literally pick up the ball and throw it without counting it as a stroke(don't flog me, that's just the rules they play off of). So in the case of that, one, we used a throw to basically drop it in the hole, so yes, it was a net score of basically being an ace.

You have to remember, these are fund-raiser tournaments that are a way to raise money for CFC campaigns, cancer awareness, Christmas parties, etc. They are military sponsored tournaments, not high-profile events. You get all kinds of folks in those things, where folks have maybe played once in their life and still have to rent clubs, to pretty descent players. The additives like string and throws are just there to try and speed up everyone, same reason as the double-par rule. And even still, those rounds still take 5+ hours usually. They are designed for people to have fun, raise money, and give people an excuse to not be at work.
[/quote]You should try playing in a real scramble where there aren't any gimmicks. If I played in a gimmicky scramble, I sure wouldn't go onto a golf blog like WRX and brag about my score. That's like coming here and telling the blog that your team shot a 44 playing disc golf. No harm meant, but this is a golf forum.
[/quote]

You may take that as a brag, but I don't feel that I worded it to be that way in the context it was given in response to the posts that I quoted....

I stated why, and how under the rules that we were playing under, we able to score a 48 on the card. I said it was not a direct comparison to the OPs scramble, just an example. I don't know how I could have made that any clearer in my original post. If you took that as a brag, then you are reading way to much into it and attempting to make it into something it wasn't. If I had wanted to brag, I would have left all the details about throws, string, mulligans, etc out and just stated we were the best team ever, and I would have been on here months ago bragging about it. I really could care less about what something thinks about a score in a scramble, specially a loaded scramble.

And FYI, I have played in some higher-end scrambles that are straight-up(well, as straight up as it can be in a scramble), and we have done okay. We are also playing against a much tougher group of players that take the game a bit more seriously and are all really good sticks.
[/quote]The best wood in the bag is always the pencil......