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Mid/ High handicaps: any particular club that dropped your handicap?


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I agree it’s somewhat important but disagree it will lower anyone’s handicap. Anyone can play decent golf with less than perfectly fit clubs. Imo bounce is only important from the sand but there’s plenty of specialty wedges that make it “idiot proof”. Unless your playing from bare hard pan around the greens just about any bounce should be fine. Also course conditions change from season to season, day to day, or minute to minute. I can’t run out to the car and swap out wedges if it starts to rain mid round or they’ve let the rough grow up in certain areas.

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I'm steep and practically all of last year was wet in my area. I constantly hit fat wedges. Like every time I pulled a wedge lol. Went from M grind with 8 degrees of bounce to D grind with 12 degrees. Rarely catch a fatty these days and am really dialed in. So going from previously having a second attempt in the fairway to now having a relatively tight putt, yeah it's helped dropped my handicap.

Titleist TSR3 - D

Titleist TSR3 - 4W

Titleist T200 - 4i

Titleist T150 - 5-GW

Vokey SM9 - 52º - 56º - 60º

Scotty Cameron Super Select Newport

Titleist Pro V1

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Agree on the BB1F. I got one at the beginning of the year and it’s been lights out. Never tried a Bettinardi before but they are the real deal

 

Also I think once I really focused on Driver, wedges and putting my HC has dropped from a 29 about 2.5 years ago to a 10 now.

PING G430 LST 10.5° | DIAMANA GT 60X

COBRA DARKSPEED X 3HF 16.5° | HZRDUS BLACK 70X

PING G425 7W 20.5° | DIAMANA GT 70X

SRIXON ZX5 5-6 | MMT TAPER 105TX

SRIXON ZX7 7-PW | MMT TAPER 105TX

PING GLIDE 4.0 50°/54°/58° | MMT WEDGE 125TX

ODYSSEY TRI-HOT 5K SEVEN DB

SRIXON Z-STAR DIAMOND 

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Working on chipping with properly fit wedges and anything 120 in really helped

Driver:  TSR3 8 Ventus Red TR 8X 

Fairway: TSR3 16.5 Ventus Blue 8X 

Hybrid:  Sim2 Tensei Orange 90TX Or Srixon ZX 2 Iron 105X

Irons:Black T200 4-5 T100S 6-AW MMT 125TX

Wedges: MG4 54 MMT 125TX and Vokey SM9 58.04T MMT 125TX

Putter: Lajosi DD201

Pro V1X Left Dash

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I’d be willing to bet most fitters would say drop your 3 and 4 irons for hybrids, drop the 3 and 5 wood for a 16-17* 4 wood, and then no wedge over 58*.

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Mizuno ST-Z 220 10.5* - Tensei Blue Raw AV 65S

Ping G425 5w 16.5* - Alta CB 65S, Ping G425 7w 19.5* - Tensei Orange AV Raw 75S

Mizuno CLK 22* & 25* - Tensei CK Blue 70S

Mizuno 919 HMP 5i-PW - Recoil 95 F4, Mizuno T22 54 & 58 - Recoil 95 F4

Odyssey 2 Ball Ten White Hot Tour Insert

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IMO the modern 3-wood is obsolete for most amateurs. The 14-16* 3-wood was never easy to hit off the turf. Most people carried them as a 'safe' alternative off the tee. But advances in drivers over the last 20 years have made them MUCH easier to hit off the tee. And a 17* club is much easier to hit off the turf than a traditional 3-wood.

PING G430 Max 10.5 

Cleveland Launcher XL Hy-wood 18*
Cleveland Launcher XL Halo 4H

Cleveland XL Halo 5H

Srixon MKii ZX5s 6-PW Modus 105s

Cleveland CBX4 Zipcore 48*

Cleveland CBX4 Zipcore 52*
Cleveland CBX4 Zipcore 56*

PXG Battle Ready 'Bat Attack' 

 

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Just properly fit clubs, I can't use OTR. I need longer and a lie adjustment, I never knew this, and probably wouldn't have without a fitting. I went from constantly chunking my irons to hardly taking a divot at times, I'd constantly loose balls to now more in play, I'd have wide tee shots all over the place to my shot staying on the hole.

 

Next for me will be putter which I believe will be a huge help to my game and dropping my handicap.

Lefty - WITB Thread

Driver: 10° Cobra LTDxLS | AD-IZ 6X 

3W: 15° Callaway Paradym X | AD-IZ 7X

3H: 19° Ping G410 | Tensei CK Pro Orange 90TX

Irons: PXG 0311P 4-6 | 0317CB 7-PW | DG 120 X100

Wedges: SM9 50° - 54° - 58° 

Putter(s): Ping PLD Anser 4K | CMD Gauge R | and more. 

Ball: TP5X 2024

Bag: Ghost Katana

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Whatever keeps your ball in play the most. Nothing like playing from the short grass, instead of out of the rough, trees, or penalty shots. It's a great feeling hitting your second shot out of the Fairway after an accurate drive. During a tournament I open keep the driver in the bag and use my 4 hybrid off the tee, and it always provides plenty of distance to get to the hole in regulation.

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For me it was a Vokey wedge and learning how to use it. Phil Mickelson had (has?) a DVD on short game drills and between the two I probably dropped 10 strokes over time just with that. For me distance was never a problem but my GIRs was horrifying and I was chipping on from pretty much every green, so getting it close allowed me to pick up strokes fast. That's not so much of a problem these days but having a solid short game that you're confident in will pay lifelong dividends no matter what your handicap.

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This. Go read all that Rickie Fowler has gone through trying to find an alternative to a 3 wood, a club even he admits is a real struggle to hit well. I've about decided the 3w is the hardest club to hit, replacing the infamous 2 irons (or 1 irons) of yesteryear, and if Rickie Fowler is struggling what chance do I have. I carry a 5w in the bag, but like Rickie who at one time carried a Cobra F9 4 iron (maybe still does), in most cases I usually just grab my Callaway XR game improvement 4 iron because it's dead easy to hit and goes a mile.

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Another G400 Max user, yea there are some longer but in play allows me to score consistently better. The other big change was finding a wedge that works for me around the green as at my handicap level, I miss a lot of greens. I spent an hour at a local golf shop hitting all sorts of wedges, grinds, etc. until I found something that consistently works for me.

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Started at 8 and currently +.5

Biggest things for me:

Get lessons or at the very least buy a PlaneMate or learn how to properly use alignment sticks to do a poor mans version.Finding a driver I trusted that would be consistent through the subtle changes of my swing from day to day and my never ending search for more distance (G410+).Lose the hybrids. Great clubs, but they aren’t versatile enough as tools.Getting fit and not changing the bag after, but making sure to dial in the loft gapping for proper yardage gaps.Sticking with 1 golf ball each season (or at the most a gamer and a wind ball).

Driver: Titleist Tsi3 w/HZRDUS Smoke Yellow TX 6.0 
3 Wood: Cobra King Speedzone/HZRDUS Smoke Yellow 70

5 Wood: Callaway Mavrik Subzero/Aldila Rogue White 70
Long Irons (4-6): Wilson D7 Forged/DG120TI
Short Irons (7-P): Wilson Staff Model Blade/DG120TI

Wedges (50/54/58): Callaway Jaws MD5 w/TI S200
Putter: Original Odyssey White Hot XG No. 7
Ball: Titleist Left Dash

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Making the switch to single length helped me more than anything else. Other than that, Driver. If your second shot is always some form of recovery shot, it becomes a lot harder to score than playing it from the short stuff. Cobra F9 made a world of difference for me and after hitting all the 2020 driver models I've found the Mavrik Max to be a real game changer for myself.

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Finding a putter that rolls to where my eye sees the target. Went through a stack of putters, rolling left, rolling right. The one that tracked true is ugly as sin. But I make more putts nowadays.

Titleist TSi3 with Speeder NX Blue

Titleist TSi1 7 wood with Tensei Blue

Taylormade P790 UDI 2 iron

New Level 902PD irons with SF i95R

Titleist SM7 50° and 60°, Cleveland RDX 56°

Odyssey OG1

Maxfli Tour ball

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I would never be able to say a certain club got my HC moving downward but I will always claim that my wedge game is by far my greatest ally.

If I mess up off the tee (my #1 score-card killer) and have to lay-up to 100 or less, I just grab whatever wedge I think is right and I'm confident I can toss it right near the bullseye. Just don't ask about my chipping...

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Not so much which clubs I changed, except for perhaps getting hybrids instead of long irons, but ditching half of them. Sorry, but I am a half-setter. Frees up the mind..

Bag 1: 2h: Srixon ZX4h: TM M1 ('17) ; Irons: MD Golf 7i & 9i, Wedges: RTX full face 52o & 58o; Putter: Spalding Pro Flite

 

Bag 2: 3h: Nickent 3dx; 3i: Cobra One-Length utility; 7i: TM M4; 8/9i: Inesis 500; Wedges: AW: TM RSi (50o); Cleveland RTX full face 54o; RTX 588 60o; Putter: Ping

 

 

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I don't think any particular club is going to necessarily lower one's handicap, but some features definitely help add some forgiveness and thus build confidence:

Having enough bounce on the wedges Avoiding overly heavy/stiff shaftsAvoiding lofts that are too strongAdding lofted woods / hybrids (5w / Rescue)Removing unnecessary clubs (2i)

And as your handicap comes down you can begin to think about more subtle things:

Matching bounce / sole to local conditionsShaft fittingPrecise loft spacingUse of specialized clubs (driving irons)

I've always felt that clubs are important (we obviously talk a lot about them) but that they have an indirect and subtle effect. Often times, club choice is about getting rid of what doesn't work and making sure you don't have something that's fighting you. You certainly don't need the perfect club(s). You just need to avoid having the features that hold you back.

 

TSR3 (Dr) (Graphite Design Tour AD IZ-6)
TSR2 (3w / 7w) (Graphite Design Tour AD IZ-7)

zU85 (4-6) (UST Recoil)
Z-Forged (7-P) (Nippon Modus3)

SM6 50.F / 56.F / 60.S
Maltby PTM-5CS

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I know I’m not quite in the range you describe, but have read many of the responses.

To improve from where you are, the progression could be listed as such:

1) Driver and/or play up a couple sets of tees

2) Approach shots with any club. Avoid lower lofted clubs unless you swing well over 100mph with driver.

3) Scoring clubs, the 100-150 yard clubs.

4) Pitching and Chipping

5) Putting

4) and 5) you can improve upon at any time. If you’re bad at short game now, you can quickly improve your scores by having a good short game.

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What lead to my massive drop from a 13 down to a 7 was getting a proper fitting. That freed up my mind from always wondering if I was playing the best setup for myself in terms of shaft flex, more/less forgiving irons, etc. That showed me the clubs I was now being fit for, or at least the general range, were going to eliminate my constant doubt about my bag setup.

DR: Mavrik SZ - Tour AD XC 7S
5W: Mavrik SZ - Tour AD XC 8S
3H: Titleist 816 H2 - Speeder 8.8X
Irons (4-P): Mizuno MP-20 MMC - KBS $ X
Wedges (50,54,58): Mizuno T20 Raw - KBS $ X
Putter: Seemore Nashville
Ball: 2021 Pro V1

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dumping my hybrids and 3 Wood for the G410 Crossover 2 (17) and 3 (20) and adding in a 4 iron. able to hit the G410 easily off the turf and tee. Able to hit the 17 longer off the tee than my 3w and pretty close to my driver (driver swing issue) and keep it in play. the 20 bent to 19 replaced the g410 19 hybrid, I hit the crossover higher and almost as far and much straighter.

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Several years ago, I was a 20 hdcp, made a couple changes that off-season that I feel led directly to my dropping to a 13 hdcp level that next season.

One was a random discovery, I found a driver at 2nd Swing, it was shorter, heavier, and stiffer than what I'd been using (per recommendations). My tee game improved considerably. The second was a switch from the irons I'd been using to a set of Golden Rams. Counter-intuitive, but they did provide improvement *for me*.

I had another incremental improvement from the 11-12 range to 8 hdcp level, that coincided with another counter intuitive change. I spent three months playing a Ram persimmon driver and 3w, and watched my hdcp start dropping immediately. I found the number of penalty strokes and tree-inspired punchouts were cut down considerably. I guess you could call it a rather stark indictment of my tee game until that point. LOL

The Ever Changing Bag!  A lot of mixing and matching
Driver: TM 300 Mini 11.5*, 43.5", Phenom NL 60X -or- Cobra SpeedZone, ProtoPype 80S, 43.5"

Fwy woods: King LTD 3/4, RIP Beta 90X -or- TM Sim2 Ti 3w, NV105 X
Hybrid:  Cobra King Tec 2h, MMT 80 S 

Irons grab bag:  1-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 1-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R; 2-PW Golden Ram Vibration Matched, NS Pro 950WF S
Wedges:  Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, SteelFiber i125 S -or- Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; Cobra Snakebite 56* -or- Wilson Staff PMP 58*, Dynamic S -or- Ram TW282 SW -or- Ram TW276 SW
Putter:  Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34" -or- Cleveland Huntington Beach #1, 34.5" -or- Golden Ram TW Custom, 34" -or- Rife Bimini, 34" -or- Maxfli TM-2, 35"
Balls: Chrome Soft, Kirkland Signature 3pc (v3)

Grip preference: various GripMaster leather options, Best Grips Microperfs, or Star Grip Sidewinders of assorted colors

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