2020 US Open

[Ironman_32]

On 9/11/2020 at 10:19 AM, tiderider said:

just horrible decision making by phil ... a win at the US Open vaults him cleanly into the top 10, probably top 7ish or so ... 

 

People forget that was for three majors in a row for a wrap around at the time (05 PGA, 06 Masters). Only others to do are Tiger and Hogan, both did it in a calendar year (technically Tiger did it 00-01). Dunno if it would have put him past Tiger as #1, but with Tiger missing the cut at the time, would have been a good conversation.

 

Not at the time, but would have provided him with the grand slam if everything else happened the way it did post tournament. Would have been the sixth man to get the career grand slam.

[thatsmybikepunk]

On 9/9/2020 at 8:33 PM, Christosterone said:

No.

[grm24]

19 minutes ago, Ironman_32 said:

Dunno if it would have put him past Tiger as #1, but with Tiger missing the cut at the time, would have been a good conversation.

 

If you are talking the world rankings Phil wouldn't have been world number 1 had he won the US Open. At that time Tiger had nearly a 6 point lead in the OWGR.

[m d g]

2 hours ago, Ferguson said:

Dark Horse - Paul Casey at 50:1 and his formidable forearms. 

 

 

Dark horse, Secretariat : )

[tiderider]

info normally found in a properly constructed thread, esp a major ... just sayin!:

TV

Thursday, September 17: 7:30 a.m.-2 p.m. ET (Golf Channel); 2-5 p.m. ET (NBC)
Friday, September 18: 9:30 a.m.-4 p.m. ET (Golf Channel); 4-7 p.m. ET (NBC)
Saturday, September 19: 11 a.m. -7:30 p.m. ET (NBC)
Sunday, September 20: 10 a.m.-12 p.m. ET (Golf Channel); 12-6 p.m. ET (NBC)

 

streaming

Thursday, September 17
First Round (TV coverage): 7:30 a.m.-2 p.m. ET (Golfchannel.com)
First Round (TV Coverage): 2-5 p.m. ET (NBCSports.com)
First Round (Online only): 5-7 p.m. ET (Peacock)
Featured Groups (Online only): 7:55 a.m.-6:30 p.m. ET (usopen.com)
Featured Holes (Online only): 8:10 a.m.-6:45 p.m. ET (usopen.com)

Friday, September 18
Second Round (Online only): 7:30-9:30 a.m. ET (Peacock)
Second Round (TV Coverage): 9:30 a.m.-4:00 p.m. ET (Golfchannel.com)
Second Round (Online only): 4-7 p.m. ET (NBCSports.com)
Featured Groups (Online only): 7:55 a.m.-6:30 p.m. ET (usopen.com)
Featured Holes (Online only): 8:10 a.m.-6:45 p.m. ET (usopen.com)

Saturday, September 19
Third Round (Online only): 9-11 a.m. ET (Peacock)
Third Round (Online only): 11 a.m.-7:30 p.m.ET (NBCSports.com)
Featured Groups (Online only): 8 a.m.-6:30 p.m. ET (usopen.com)
Featured Holes (Online only): 8:10 a.m.-6:45 p.m. ET (usopen.com)

Sunday, September 20
Final Round (Online only): 8-10 a.m. ET (Peacock)
Final Round (TV Coverage): 10 a.m.-12 p.m. ET (Golfchannel.com)
Final Round (Online only): 12-6 p.m.ET (NBCSports.com)
Featured Groups (Online only): 8 a.m.-5:30 p.m. ET (usopen.com)
Featured Holes (Online only): 8 a.m.-5 p.m. ET (usopen.com)

 

odds

Dustin Johnson 8-1
Jon Rahm 11-1
Rory McIlroy 12-1
Bryson DeChambeau 14-1
Justin Thomas 14-1
Xander Schauffele 18-1
Collin Morikawa 18-1
Patrick Cantlay 25-1
Hideki Matsuyama 28-1
Justin Rose 28-1
Tiger Woods 28-1
Webb Simpson 28-1
Jason Day 33-1
Daniel Berger 33-1
Tony Finau 33-1
Tommy Fleetwood 33-1
Adam Scott 35-1
Rickie Fowler 40-1
Scottie Scheffler 40-1
Patrick Reed 40-1
Tyrrell Hatton 50-1
Jordan Spieth 50-1
Viktor Hovland 50-1
Gary Woodland 50-1
Paul Casey 50-1
Harris English 60-1
Matthew Fitzpatrick 60-1
Sung-Jae Im 66-1
Marc Leishman 66-1
Matthew Wolff 66-1
Shane Lowry 80-1
Henrik Stenson 80-1
Abraham Ancer 80-1
Louis Oosthuizen 80-1
Cameron Champ 80-1
Francesco Molinari 80-1
Matt Kuchar 80-1
Phil Mickelson 80-1
Sergio Garcia 80-1
Cameron Smith 100-1
Joaquin Niemann 100-1
Billy Horschel 100-1
Si Woo Kim 100-1
Danny Willett 100-1
Brendon Todd 100-1
Martin Kaymer 125-1
Rafa Cabrera Bello 125-1
Ian Poulter 125-1
Bernd Wiesberger 125-1
Rasmus Hojgaard 125-1
Brandt Snedeker 125-1
Branden Grace 125-1
Adam Hadwin 125-1
Matt Wallace 125-1
Lee Westwood 125-1
Bubba Watson 125-1
Kevin Kisner 125-1

 

 

https://golf.com/news/winged-foot-club-champions-rooting-us-open/

 

https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/golf/usopen/2020/09/14/us-open-witnessing-massacre-winged-foot-shadow-hale-irwin/3462476001/

 

https://golf.com/travel/aw-tillinghast-legendary-course-architect-winged-foot/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2020 by tiderider

[carrier street]

After watching that video, it could get real crazy if the green speeds get away from them.

[Titleist99]

1 hour ago, tiderider said:

info normally found in a properly constructed thread, esp a major:

TV

Thursday, September 17: 7:30 a.m.-2 p.m. ET (Golf Channel); 2-5 p.m. ET (NBC)
Friday, September 18: 9:30 a.m.-4 p.m. ET (Golf Channel); 4-7 p.m. ET (NBC)
Saturday, September 19: 11 a.m. -7:30 p.m. ET (NBC)
Sunday, September 20: 10 a.m.-12 p.m. ET (Golf Channel); 12-6 p.m. ET (NBC)

 

streaming

Thursday, September 17
First Round (TV coverage): 7:30 a.m.-2 p.m. ET (Golfchannel.com)
First Round (TV Coverage): 2-5 p.m. ET (NBCSports.com)
First Round (Online only): 5-7 p.m. ET (Peacock)
Featured Groups (Online only): 7:55 a.m.-6:30 p.m. ET (usopen.com)
Featured Holes (Online only): 8:10 a.m.-6:45 p.m. ET (usopen.com)

Friday, September 18
Second Round (Online only): 7:30-9:30 a.m. ET (Peacock)
Second Round (TV Coverage): 9:30 a.m.-4:00 p.m. ET (Golfchannel.com)
Second Round (Online only): 4-7 p.m. ET (NBCSports.com)
Featured Groups (Online only): 7:55 a.m.-6:30 p.m. ET (usopen.com)
Featured Holes (Online only): 8:10 a.m.-6:45 p.m. ET (usopen.com)

Saturday, September 19
Third Round (Online only): 9-11 a.m. ET (Peacock)
Third Round (Online only): 11 a.m.-7:30 p.m.ET (NBCSports.com)
Featured Groups (Online only): 8 a.m.-6:30 p.m. ET (usopen.com)
Featured Holes (Online only): 8:10 a.m.-6:45 p.m. ET (usopen.com)

Sunday, September 20
Final Round (Online only): 8-10 a.m. ET (Peacock)
Final Round (TV Coverage): 10 a.m.-12 p.m. ET (Golfchannel.com)
Final Round (Online only): 12-6 p.m.ET (NBCSports.com)
Featured Groups (Online only): 8 a.m.-5:30 p.m. ET (usopen.com)
Featured Holes (Online only): 8 a.m.-5 p.m. ET (usopen.com)

 

odds

Dustin Johnson 8-1
Jon Rahm 11-1
Rory McIlroy 12-1
Bryson DeChambeau 14-1
Justin Thomas 14-1
Xander Schauffele 18-1
Collin Morikawa 18-1
Patrick Cantlay 25-1
Hideki Matsuyama 28-1
Justin Rose 28-1
Tiger Woods 28-1
Webb Simpson 28-1
Jason Day 33-1
Daniel Berger 33-1
Tony Finau 33-1
Tommy Fleetwood 33-1
Adam Scott 35-1
Rickie Fowler 40-1
Scottie Scheffler 40-1
Patrick Reed 40-1
Tyrrell Hatton 50-1
Jordan Spieth 50-1
Viktor Hovland 50-1
Gary Woodland 50-1
Paul Casey 50-1
Harris English 60-1
Matthew Fitzpatrick 60-1
Sung-Jae Im 66-1
Marc Leishman 66-1
Matthew Wolff 66-1
Shane Lowry 80-1
Henrik Stenson 80-1
Abraham Ancer 80-1
Louis Oosthuizen 80-1
Cameron Champ 80-1
Francesco Molinari 80-1
Matt Kuchar 80-1
Phil Mickelson 80-1
Sergio Garcia 80-1
Cameron Smith 100-1
Joaquin Niemann 100-1
Billy Horschel 100-1
Si Woo Kim 100-1
Danny Willett 100-1
Brendon Todd 100-1
Martin Kaymer 125-1
Rafa Cabrera Bello 125-1
Ian Poulter 125-1
Bernd Wiesberger 125-1
Rasmus Hojgaard 125-1
Brandt Snedeker 125-1
Branden Grace 125-1
Adam Hadwin 125-1
Matt Wallace 125-1
Lee Westwood 125-1
Bubba Watson 125-1
Kevin Kisner 125-1

 

 

https://golf.com/news/winged-foot-club-champions-rooting-us-open/

 

https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/golf/usopen/2020/09/14/us-open-witnessing-massacre-winged-foot-shadow-hale-irwin/3462476001/

 

https://golf.com/travel/aw-tillinghast-legendary-course-architect-winged-foot/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for this posting!

[Brock Savage]

2 hours ago, Ironman_32 said:

 

People forget that was for three majors in a row for a wrap around at the time (05 PGA, 06 Masters). Only others to do are Tiger and Hogan, both did it in a calendar year (technically Tiger did it 00-01). Dunno if it would have put him past Tiger as #1, but with Tiger missing the cut at the time, would have been a good conversation.

 

Not at the time, but would have provided him with the grand slam if everything else happened the way it did post tournament. Would have been the sixth man to get the career grand slam.

What do you mean, Tiger "technically" didn't get three consecutive majors in a calendar year?  He obviously won the last three of 2000. 

 

If you want to get "technical," he got four consecutive majors in a calendar year -- it just didn't happen to be the Gregorian calendar.  But Tiger is part Thai on his mom's side, and the traditional Thai calendar begins in mid-April (google Songkran if you want details), so he got a Thai Calendar Grand Slam.

 

And if you want to get even more technical, Hogan didn't win three consecutive majors in 1953.  He won the three he entered, but the PGA, which he didn't enter, was played the week before the British Open in 1953.  So Tiger is the only player to win three consecutive majors, let lone four.

[braincramp52]

1 hour ago, carrier street said:

After watching that video, it could get real crazy if the green speeds get away from them.

 

They expect green speeds of around 12 for Sunday.

[tiderider]

greens won't be an issue ... they installed sub air systems a few years ago ... pebble actually has them, also ... this should make control of the course a non-issue, though this IS the usga ... 

[Lark]

1 hour ago, Brock Savage said:

What do you mean, Tiger "technically" didn't get three consecutive majors in a calendar year?  He obviously won the last three of 2000. 

 

If you want to get "technical," he got four consecutive majors in a calendar year -- it just didn't happen to be the Gregorian calendar.  But Tiger is part Thai on his mom's side, and the traditional Thai calendar begins in mid-April (google Songkran if you want details), so he got a Thai Calendar Grand Slam.

 

And if you want to get even more technical, Hogan didn't win three consecutive majors in 1953.  He won the three he entered, but the PGA, which he didn't enter, was played the week before the British Open in 1953.  So Tiger is the only player to win three consecutive majors, let lone four.

Tiger also won the Players in 2001, so 5 consecutive majors and the 5th major combined.

[JD3]

1 hour ago, tiderider said:

greens won't be an issue ... they installed sub air systems a few years ago ... pebble actually has them, also ... this should make control of the course a non-issue, though this IS the usga ... 

This time of year when weather is relatively cool and forecast is dry they can get these greens pretty much as fast as they want without fear of losing them. 

[EMA1]

I am counting down the hours. Will be very unproductive WFH. 

[JD3]

7 hours ago, Ferguson said:

Dark Horse - Paul Casey at 50:1 and his formidable forearms. 

 

 

Generally not a casey guy, but hey why not at 50-1. Played good in PGA. Rory is so over rated at 12-1, 3rd lowest odds. 

Edited September 15, 2020 by JD3

[tiderider]

57 minutes ago, JD3 said:

This time of year when weather is relatively cool and forecast is dry they can get these greens pretty much as fast as they want without fear of losing them. 

and i did not know they'd put them in ... think i googled something and saw that ... didn't realize pebble had them, also ... that raises the bar on the usga ... don't know what other rota courses have subair, but i don't think it could be more than one or two at most ... don't think oakmont/shinny have them ... 

[Rob G 89]

Please scratch scheffler and horsfield from the odds as both have tested positive for covid 19

[ChrisL52188]

13 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

The good old days of Cobra.  Want to say Acushnet owned them at the time.  The irons were good.  Pre-orange.

The Good old days of Cobra would be 1996-1997 with Greg Norman. 

[beluga99]

2 hours ago, JD3 said:

This time of year when weather is relatively cool and forecast is dry they can get these greens pretty much as fast as they want without fear of losing them. 

Let's hope Zac doesn't revisit his 2018 quote:

[grm24]

4 hours ago, braincramp52 said:

 

They expect green speeds of around 12 for Sunday.

 

Live From on GC tonight had a graphic that the greens are 13 on the stimp for the event.

[grm24]

14 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

The good old days of Cobra.  Want to say Acushnet owned them at the time.  The irons were good.  Pre-orange.

Good recall. American Brands, then the corporate parent of Acushnet, bought Cobra in late 1995. Sold Cobra in 2010.

Edited September 15, 2020 by grm24

[Ferguson]

13 hours ago, tiderider said:

info normally found in a properly constructed thread, esp a major ... just sayin!:

TV

Thursday, September 17: 7:30 a.m.-2 p.m. ET (Golf Channel); 2-5 p.m. ET (NBC)
Friday, September 18: 9:30 a.m.-4 p.m. ET (Golf Channel); 4-7 p.m. ET (NBC)
Saturday, September 19: 11 a.m. -7:30 p.m. ET (NBC)
Sunday, September 20: 10 a.m.-12 p.m. ET (Golf Channel); 12-6 p.m. ET (NBC)

 

streaming

Thursday, September 17
First Round (TV coverage): 7:30 a.m.-2 p.m. ET (Golfchannel.com)
First Round (TV Coverage): 2-5 p.m. ET (NBCSports.com)
First Round (Online only): 5-7 p.m. ET (Peacock)
Featured Groups (Online only): 7:55 a.m.-6:30 p.m. ET (usopen.com)
Featured Holes (Online only): 8:10 a.m.-6:45 p.m. ET (usopen.com)

Friday, September 18
Second Round (Online only): 7:30-9:30 a.m. ET (Peacock)
Second Round (TV Coverage): 9:30 a.m.-4:00 p.m. ET (Golfchannel.com)
Second Round (Online only): 4-7 p.m. ET (NBCSports.com)
Featured Groups (Online only): 7:55 a.m.-6:30 p.m. ET (usopen.com)
Featured Holes (Online only): 8:10 a.m.-6:45 p.m. ET (usopen.com)

Saturday, September 19
Third Round (Online only): 9-11 a.m. ET (Peacock)
Third Round (Online only): 11 a.m.-7:30 p.m.ET (NBCSports.com)
Featured Groups (Online only): 8 a.m.-6:30 p.m. ET (usopen.com)
Featured Holes (Online only): 8:10 a.m.-6:45 p.m. ET (usopen.com)

Sunday, September 20
Final Round (Online only): 8-10 a.m. ET (Peacock)
Final Round (TV Coverage): 10 a.m.-12 p.m. ET (Golfchannel.com)
Final Round (Online only): 12-6 p.m.ET (NBCSports.com)
Featured Groups (Online only): 8 a.m.-5:30 p.m. ET (usopen.com)
Featured Holes (Online only): 8 a.m.-5 p.m. ET (usopen.com)

 

odds

Dustin Johnson 8-1
Jon Rahm 11-1
Rory McIlroy 12-1
Bryson DeChambeau 14-1
Justin Thomas 14-1
Xander Schauffele 18-1
Collin Morikawa 18-1
Patrick Cantlay 25-1
Hideki Matsuyama 28-1
Justin Rose 28-1
Tiger Woods 28-1
Webb Simpson 28-1
Jason Day 33-1
Daniel Berger 33-1
Tony Finau 33-1
Tommy Fleetwood 33-1
Adam Scott 35-1
Rickie Fowler 40-1
Scottie Scheffler 40-1
Patrick Reed 40-1
Tyrrell Hatton 50-1
Jordan Spieth 50-1
Viktor Hovland 50-1
Gary Woodland 50-1
Paul Casey 50-1
Harris English 60-1
Matthew Fitzpatrick 60-1
Sung-Jae Im 66-1
Marc Leishman 66-1
Matthew Wolff 66-1
Shane Lowry 80-1
Henrik Stenson 80-1
Abraham Ancer 80-1
Louis Oosthuizen 80-1
Cameron Champ 80-1
Francesco Molinari 80-1
Matt Kuchar 80-1
Phil Mickelson 80-1
Sergio Garcia 80-1
Cameron Smith 100-1
Joaquin Niemann 100-1
Billy Horschel 100-1
Si Woo Kim 100-1
Danny Willett 100-1
Brendon Todd 100-1
Martin Kaymer 125-1
Rafa Cabrera Bello 125-1
Ian Poulter 125-1
Bernd Wiesberger 125-1
Rasmus Hojgaard 125-1
Brandt Snedeker 125-1
Branden Grace 125-1
Adam Hadwin 125-1
Matt Wallace 125-1
Lee Westwood 125-1
Bubba Watson 125-1
Kevin Kisner 125-1

 

 

https://golf.com/news/winged-foot-club-champions-rooting-us-open/

 

https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/golf/usopen/2020/09/14/us-open-witnessing-massacre-winged-foot-shadow-hale-irwin/3462476001/

 

https://golf.com/travel/aw-tillinghast-legendary-course-architect-winged-foot/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see you posted everything, including a link regarding AW Tillinghast.

 

Well done.

[braincramp52]

7 hours ago, grm24 said:

 

Live From on GC tonight had a graphic that the greens are 13 on the stimp for the event.

 

Sounds like they want to slow them a bit on Sunday though from what they were saying yesterday on Sirius. Still gonna be quick with those greens.

[bladehunter]

After watching coverage of the course I’m getting excited about this one.  Wasn’t familiar with winged foot .  But I like the logo , and i love square tee boxes.  So.... game on !  

[Ironman_32]

14 hours ago, Brock Savage said:

What do you mean, Tiger "technically" didn't get three consecutive majors in a calendar year?  He obviously won the last three of 2000. 

 

If you want to get "technical," he got four consecutive majors in a calendar year -- it just didn't happen to be the Gregorian calendar.  But Tiger is part Thai on his mom's side, and the traditional Thai calendar begins in mid-April (google Songkran if you want details), so he got a Thai Calendar Grand Slam.

 

And if you want to get even more technical, Hogan didn't win three consecutive majors in 1953.  He won the three he entered, but the PGA, which he didn't enter, was played the week before the British Open in 1953.  So Tiger is the only player to win three consecutive majors, let lone four.

Tiger in 2000 - US Open, British, PGA

Hogan in 1953 - Masters, US, British (the three he played that year). 

 

Also, Tiger 00-01, British, PGA, Masters; same idea as Phil who would have had three wrapped around a "Gregorian" calendar. 

Lately, Mark O'Meara and Jordan Spieth also had a shot to get three in one  year. 

 

Thanks for the Thai calendar reference though; might have to talk to my USGA contact on that. Apparently Mike Davis is having a hard time explaining to his dog the Tiger Slam because to the dog it looked like Tiger won 4 majors in 7 years. 

[jdl]

Tee times are out!

 

https://www.usopen.com/tee-times.html

 

Spieth and Reed together for 2 days. 

Tiger with Morikawa and JT

Bryson, Dustin and Finau. Bombs away!

Edited September 15, 2020 by jdl
added link

[tiderider]

4 hours ago, Ferguson said:

 

I see you posted everything, including a link regarding AW Tillinghast.

 

Well done.

[sonnygolf]

Why are Tigers odds  @28/1?

 

I dont see him make the cut. And this is coming from a Tiger Woods fan. 

Edited September 15, 2020 by sonnygolf

[gvogel]

Surprised that DeChambeau and Justin Thomas are the same odds.  I would think that Thomas is a better US Open player.

[QuigleyDU]

I saw the superintendent stated he wants a winning score of +8.. Seems a bit... aggressive. 

[JD3]

Tiger during interview named winged foot, oakmont, and carnoustie as only 3 courses that a major can be played on without much change to how the members play it. Ive played 2 of the 3 (WF and CAR) and pretty much agree. Not sure how anyone could go on a birdie binge with the normal setup. 

Edited September 15, 2020 by JD3