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1 minute ago, jvincent said:

 

No. That is not how the physics of drag work. Drag is proportional to the square of speed, i.e. the faster a ball travels the more drag it experiences.

 

Long hitters will lose more, as a percentage, of their distance.

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The effect on distance for recreational players will likely be less, but could be proportional. So that if a tour player loses five percent (or 15 yards on a 300-yard drive), then a recreational player might lose that same five percent on a 225-yard drive (or roughly 11 yards). And the same golfer likely would lose a similar percentage on his or her approach shots.

 

COR of the ball is linear.

 

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1 hour ago, larrybud said:

 

No, I don't mean bifurcation of pros and ams. I mean to ditch the USGA altogether. I would require manufacturers to get together and form their own set of rules. Tell them to pound sand. The PGA Tour and likes can make their own rules. Why exactly do we need the usga/r&a?

Problem will be that ball manufacturers and club OEM’s will make balls and equipment that meet the USGA and R&A standards.  They aren’t going to make illegal clubs.  You can see it now will the groove rule.  Only small companies make these “illegal” clubs and it’s a very small market.  I don’t think any of the big companies will go rogue. 

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16 minutes ago, jvincent said:

 

The Golf Digest article/quote simply wrong.

 

Drag is what limits distance for a given launch velocity, ignoring the secondary influences of spin/lift for now.

 

Golf ball compression influences initial velocity. And in most cases high speed players lose more distance with softer golf balls as well due to over compression.

 

The roll back affects initial ball velocity. If initial ball velocity is down 5% due to the rollback, the distance the ball goes is nearly linearly reduced. True, it might be 5% less at 180 mph ball speed and 4.5% less at 150 ball speed, but in these cases, the effect of drag as a percent of distance reduction is negligible.  You can prove that to yourself with the flightscope shot optimizer.

For example, typical numbers, 180mph ball speed vs 171mph ball speed (5% reduction) has a carry distance decrease of 6%.

For 150 mph ball speed vs 143 mph, it's 6.4% decrease in carry distance.  I'm sure those can be tweaked with a bit of launch angle and spin changes, but for the most part, the distance change is linear.
 

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6 minutes ago, larrybud said:

 

The roll back affects initial ball velocity. If initial ball velocity is down 5% due to the rollback, the distance the ball goes is nearly linearly reduced. True, it might be 5% less at 180 mph ball speed and 4.5% less at 150 ball speed, but in these cases, the effect of drag as a percent of distance reduction is negligible.  You can prove that to yourself with the flightscope shot optimizer.

For example, typical numbers, 180mph ball speed vs 171mph ball speed (5% reduction) has a carry distance decrease of 6%.

For 150 mph ball speed vs 143 mph, it's 6.4% decrease in carry distance.  I'm sure those can be tweaked with a bit of launch angle and spin changes, but for the most part, the distance change is linear.
 

 

First off, they haven't published what the actual new test procedure will be yet. It's all still speculation.

 

The Flightscope numbers are based on the current drag parameters of the ball.

 

The original MLR proposal did not alter the initial launch velocity of the ball. It was 100% based on altering the drag properties so it's a pretty good guess that whatever the new procedure is, it will be drag based.

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3 hours ago, jvincent said:

 

No. That is not how the physics of drag work. Drag is proportional to the square of speed, i.e. the faster a ball travels the more drag it experiences.

 

Long hitters will lose more, as a percentage, of their distance.

True.  But going from 120 to 127, (right?) Isn't going to do a damn thing beyond irritate OEM ball manufacturers.  It's not going to change the driver-wedge fest that currently exists on Tour, and it's not going to safeguard any courses.

 

LOL, did we not just see Fitzy go 380 at the Hero on a par-4?

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Based on the survey, any ball manufacturer that simply disregards the USGA would probably have a profitable market share. Which could easily lead to other manufacturers also disregarding the USGA. 
 

I think a pretty large majority of casual non -WRX players likely don’t know or care if their ball is conforming. Even if the PGA of America goes along and non conforming balls aren’t stocked at on course pro shops, how about Walmart, Dicks, whatever? 
 

If they USGA insists on pushing a rule no one follows, they will no longer be the rule makers.

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This is down to money and pressure from CLUB makers. The correct option would be to reduce the size of driver heads. Go back to 350cc. Perfectly playable and more workable for the better player. But, club makers would need to spend far more re-tooling and redesigning clubs than making changes to the ball. Can you imagine the marketing...New TM 350....harder to hit, less accurate and guaranteed not to improve your game. Plus how would they get all the multi material and moveable weight guffage into a smaller driver. The ball is the easy option. 

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8 hours ago, Jayjay_theweim_guy said:

True.  But going from 120 to 127, (right?) Isn't going to do a damn thing beyond irritate OEM ball manufacturers.  It's not going to change the driver-wedge fest that currently exists on Tour, and it's not going to safeguard any courses.

 

LOL, did we not just see Fitzy go 380 at the Hero on a par-4?

 

I guess we'll have to wait and see what they come up with.

 

I've been saying for many years that the USGA/R&A could have taken a lot less heat if when they changed the test conditions that they also increased the max distance from what it is today.

 

While it would have still been a rollback in practical terms the PR battle would have been a lot easier because they could have said that they were actually increasing the maximum distance.

 

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Here's the article: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/usga-ra-rollback-announcement-december-2023

 

Making the ball shorter will do more to shrink the game than anything they could possibly do.  This is absolute lunacy.  If you read the article there is a part that says this isn't for recrational golfers but if that's the case I have no idea whe the word "universal" is used in the headline.  Thoughts?

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7 hours ago, Double Mocha Man said:

I just placed my order for three decades worth of today's Pro V-1's.  

 

 lol...I was thinking about that. I already probably have enough balls to last me my lifetime. The only reason I don't have more is my thinking I don't want to stock up to much because I know when that new model comes out and I hit it a little farther I going to want to play it. That thought keeps me in check to a degree. Now that new model will be not as long?

 

How is this going to affect the new and used ball market before the changeover. Are people going to stock up before the changeover pushing the prices to crazy highs? Or are the prices going to become dirt cheap because no one will want the longer balls because they want to play by the rules..Yea right!

 

I am going to find it hard to want to by a new model that doesn't go as far. Especially with the amount of balls I already have.

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1 hour ago, Edsland said:

The best roll back is father time, every year the throttle slows a bit. Im 69 and I dont need an organization to speed up the inevitable. 

 

I agree with you.

 

I was hoping they would come out with a senior ball. A ball that goes farther for us distance challenged people.

 

The best thing my group did was to move up to the senior tees. It brought fun back into the game. I can see a tipping point where being distance challenged may take the fun out of it. When we played the whites one of our guys had to hit driver on the par 3's and on some of them he had no chance of getting on.. The funny thing was he was the hold out on moving up. When I get to I'm hitting a driver on the par 3's golf may not be fun for me anymore.

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