Can a 4-handicap man beat an LPGA pro?

[flog2]

havent read all the replies but it always gets me annoyed when I hear (mostly) male club members saying ladies have it easy on shorter courses and some holes are a par 5 for ladies but a 4 for men. That doesnt change the FACT they shoot 64/65/66 etc the par is irrelevant. Show me a 4 capper who does that....regularly....or even once!

[heavy_hitter]

Please explain how it is ignorant. The cut line in 13-15 age group was +1 from 6700 yards. The 16-18 year old kids played from 7100 yards and the winner was -12. The LPGA player ranked 75-100 using the scoring averages (averages over 72 but less than 73) from the shorter and easier courses they play would have missed the cut in both age groups. If we account for the yardage differences there's no chance the 75th-100th ranked woman would have made the cut.

 

I know a LPGA player that is ranked right in that range and have played with her and seen her play plenty of times. She's played with me and some mini tour players from 6900 yards and she shoots respectable scores. But the high school team that practices at that same course, who had all 5 players shoot par or better in multiple tournaments, would have the same or better averages out there. My statement is the opposite of ignorant. It's based of real world experience and factual stats.

 

Please stop saying high school teams. There are very very few high school teams that will come close to sniffing par. A great high school team will be in the 295 range. Use the phrase junior golfers. There has only been 3 teams the past 5 years that have broken 288 in the state finals. For the most part, High School Boy's golf is a bunch of recreational golfer, even in the state of Florida. Our high school team is top 5 in the state and we will not come close to breaking par as a team.

 

The average high school golfer is a 10+ handicap. A 10 handicap in high school golf is a good high school golfer for boy's.

 

Use the term junior golfers.

 

I will agree that you are correct. The best of the best junior male golfers in the state of Florida will beat the LPGA players playing from the same tees. That is a fact.

 

Just don't say high school... LOL... there is a big difference.

 

I said high school golfer because they are high school golfers who play in high school golf. One of the students who is a high school golfer just broke he conference record and shot 63 at the conference championships. He's ranked just outside top 50 in the state. And the team I mentioned absolutely shot under par as a team multiple times. I taught all but one player on that team. At the time they were the only public high school to qualify for states 4 years in a row. They threw out a 73 in events. These are high school players in high school events

 

That is an exception to the rue. In the high school state tournament the past five years 288 has only been broken 3 times. That is roughly over 400 teams participating. You are talking about 5 kids on one High school team. The average high school golfer is a 10+ handicap. That is being generous.

 

Conference, District, Regional, matches are from shorter distances.

 

He wasn't generalizing in the first place. He was citing a specific school and citing specific tournaments in which the middle of the road LPGA player would not compete (in his opinion).

 

He also referred to a specific LPGA player who, through personal experience, would be waxed by a specific high school team.

 

He is being very specific. You are "fighting back" with generalizations.

 

Please don't refute specifics with generalizations,,,,,,,,,,, and vice versa.

 

If you read back into the thread, you are wrong.

 

And for what it is worth, I agreed with him.

[PowderedToastMan]

http://www.fhsaa.org...al_resuilts.pdf

 

http://www.fhsaa.org...nal_results.pdf

 

More BS by the BS'er

 

What BS? Didn't say it was this year. I said at the time the whole team shot under par. The team that had 3 of starting 5 had offers from top 20 schools and all 5 had college golf offers. And the kid who shot 63 did so less than 2 weeks ago. Would you like to me to send you the newspaper article or photos of the scorecard or scoreboard?

I think it would be a good idea for you to go back to giving golf advice on this forum rather than argue with and demean potential paying students.

 

Are you kidding me? One I give a ton of advice. And I'm not demeaning a potential student. I'm responding to a personal attack by a troll. You can worry about you rather than following me around and telling me how to act. I have parents and you aren't one of them.

I'm posting on the same topic as you. That's not following someone. I won't respond to a post of yours ever again, I promise. Gets old talking to the smartest human being in the world after a while anyways.

[iteachgolf]

http://www.fhsaa.org...al_resuilts.pdf

 

http://www.fhsaa.org...nal_results.pdf

 

More BS by the BS'er

 

What BS? Didn't say it was this year. I said at the time the whole team shot under par. The team that had 3 of starting 5 had offers from top 20 schools and all 5 had college golf offers. And the kid who shot 63 did so less than 2 weeks ago. Would you like to me to send you the newspaper article or photos of the scorecard or scoreboard?

I think it would be a good idea for you to go back to giving golf advice on this forum rather than argue with and demean potential paying students.

 

Are you kidding me? One I give a ton of advice. And I'm not demeaning a potential student. I'm responding to a personal attack by a troll. You can worry about you rather than following me around and telling me how to act. I have parents and you aren't one of them.

I'm posting on the same topic as you. That's not following someone. I won't respond to a post of yours ever again, I promise. Gets old talking to the smartest human being in the world after a while anyways.

 

Again you need to actually read my post. What I wrote not what you think I wrote. I've clearly said I don't know everything. I've spent a ton of money and time learning from others who know more than me. I've never claimed that I'm the smartest guy or anything close to that. You literally are saying Im not allowed to respond to someone calling me a liar with proof that I'm not lying. That's literally what you've said BOTH times you've quoted me.

 

It was me responding to someone calling me a liar and me proving that I wasn't lying in response. To which you make the ridiculous leap to me being a know it all when it's simply me standing up for myself. You're entitle led to your opinion al you want, but you talk to me like I'm a child and your my parent I'm going to call you out on it.

[heavy_hitter]

 

108 rounds of golf and only 13 total under par. 6700 not the 8000 they usually play too. Must have been an off day for all those Florida high school boys who would win on the LPGA tour without breaking a sweat.

 

These are not the best of the best in Florida. You are just comparing a normal FJT tour event at the end of the summer. The best players are playing in really big events at this time, and this isn't one of them. Some nice players in the top 10, after that, the rankings really dive off. To get a better comparison you should be looking the the Florida State Junior amateur.

 

https://www.fsga.org/Tournament/Results/815a1305-219c-4cbf-9032-0fb7e444c168?boolQual=False

[iteachgolf]

 

108 rounds of golf and only 13 total under par. 6700 not the 8000 they usually play too. Must have been an off day for all those Florida high school boys who would win on the LPGA tour without breaking a sweat.

 

These are not the best of the best in Florida. You are just comparing a normal FJT tour event at the end of the summer. The best players are playing in really big events at this time, and this isn't one of them. Some nice players in the top 10, after that, the rankings really dive off. To get a better comparison you should be looking the the Florida State Junior amateur.

 

https://www.fsga.org/Tournament/Results/815a1305-219c-4cbf-9032-0fb7e444c168?boolQual=False

 

That's not even the best of the best. Or even close to it. I only counted 1 kid in the top 25 in the state that played in the event. The best of three best are playing AJGA events and many aren't playing in even the state junior

[Shilgy]

http://www.fhsaa.org...al_resuilts.pdf

 

http://www.fhsaa.org...nal_results.pdf

 

More BS by the BS'er

I was just looking at the same thing. Must have been a local result?

[iteachgolf]

http://www.fhsaa.org...al_resuilts.pdf

 

http://www.fhsaa.org...nal_results.pdf

 

More BS by the BS'er

I was just looking at the same thing. Must have been a local result?

 

I clearly said conference and those are last years State results.

 

http://m.staugustine.com/sports/high-school/2016-09-13/middleburgs-cody-carroll-scorches-st-johns-golf-club-course-63-win#gsc.tab=0

 

The tournament referenced earlier was the Florida Boys Junior and NOT the high school state championship. I was very specific and even posted direct links to the tournament results.

[bruinsPATSirish]

http://www.fhsaa.org...al_resuilts.pdf

 

http://www.fhsaa.org...nal_results.pdf

 

More BS by the BS'er

I was just looking at the same thing. Must have been a local result?

 

I clearly said conference and those are last years State results.

 

http://m.staugustine...3-win#gsc.tab=0

 

The tournament referenced earlier was the Florida Boys Junior and NOT the high school state championship. I was very specific and even posted direct links to the tournament results.

 

My friend you are fighting a losing battle with these guys. They aren't comprehending what the whole entire premise of this thread is: CAN a 4 Handicap beat an LPGA Pro...

 

The answer is yes, they COULD.

[farmer]

^^^^You CAN play in a thunderstorm, and you COULD get struck by lightening.

[Shilgy]

http://www.fhsaa.org...al_resuilts.pdf

 

http://www.fhsaa.org...nal_results.pdf

 

More BS by the BS'er

I was just looking at the same thing. Must have been a local result?

 

I clearly said conference and those are last years State results.

 

http://m.staugustine.com/sports/high-school/2016-09-13/middleburgs-cody-carroll-scorches-st-johns-golf-club-course-63-win#gsc.tab=0

 

The tournament referenced earlier was the Florida Boys Junior and NOT the high school state championship. I was very specific and even posted direct links to the tournament results.

The post I was referring to is pasted below. There are no links to a result and you referred to conference and state results as if the scores were in the state event. Easy for us to misconstrue your meaning. Based on the high school results would it be fair to say that a high school team, even on Florida, has many weak links of not top caliber players? I appreciate you are talking about juniors and how they do in school events but based on the results posted it is clear that the wonderful scores being posted are by elite juniors in the state. Not a average or normal score fit a high schooler.

 

I said high school golfer because they are high school golfers who play in high school golf. One of the students who is a high school golfer just broke he conference record and shot 63 at the conference championships. He's ranked just outside top 50 in the state. And the team I mentioned absolutely shot under par as a team multiple times. I taught all but one player on that team. At the time they were the only public high school to qualify for states 4 years in a row. They threw out a 73 in events. These are high school players in high school events

[iteachgolf]

http://www.fhsaa.org...al_resuilts.pdf

 

http://www.fhsaa.org...nal_results.pdf

 

More BS by the BS'er

I was just looking at the same thing. Must have been a local result?

 

I clearly said conference and those are last years State results.

 

http://m.staugustine.com/sports/high-school/2016-09-13/middleburgs-cody-carroll-scorches-st-johns-golf-club-course-63-win#gsc.tab=0

 

The tournament referenced earlier was the Florida Boys Junior and NOT the high school state championship. I was very specific and even posted direct links to the tournament results.

The post I was referring to is pasted below. There are no links to a result and you referred to conference and state results as if the scores were in the state event. Easy for us to misconstrue your meaning. Based on the high school results would it be fair to say that a high school team, even on Florida, has many weak links of not top caliber players? I appreciate you are talking about juniors and how they do in school events but based on the results posted it is clear that the wonderful scores being posted are by elite juniors in the state. Not a average or normal score fit a high schooler.

 

I said high school golfer because they are high school golfers who play in high school golf. One of the students who is a high school golfer just broke he conference record and shot 63 at the conference championships. He's ranked just outside top 50 in the state. And the team I mentioned absolutely shot under par as a team multiple times. I taught all but one player on that team. At the time they were the only public high school to qualify for states 4 years in a row. They threw out a 73 in events. These are high school players in high school events

 

Yes and in the statement you quoted I just posted the news article ahowing the 63 in conference. The team shooting under par I clearly stated events, never said states. They generally play two matches a week for 6 weeks. The top player on that team shot multiple 65s and in one event the top three players were a combined -12. They only count 4/6 scores. It didn't happen all the time but it did happen several times. As a general rule a lot of the good schools have 3-4 good players and then fill in the rest. Some top private schools have complete teams. 10 years ago I'd say there were some better teams. Nowadays many top juniors choose not to play high school golf.

[Shilgy]

http://www.fhsaa.org...al_resuilts.pdf

 

http://www.fhsaa.org...nal_results.pdf

 

More BS by the BS'er

I was just looking at the same thing. Must have been a local result?

 

I clearly said conference and those are last years State results.

 

http://m.staugustine.com/sports/high-school/2016-09-13/middleburgs-cody-carroll-scorches-st-johns-golf-club-course-63-win#gsc.tab=0

 

The tournament referenced earlier was the Florida Boys Junior and NOT the high school state championship. I was very specific and even posted direct links to the tournament results.

The post I was referring to is pasted below. There are no links to a result and you referred to conference and state results as if the scores were in the state event. Easy for us to misconstrue your meaning. Based on the high school results would it be fair to say that a high school team, even on Florida, has many weak links of not top caliber players? I appreciate you are talking about juniors and how they do in school events but based on the results posted it is clear that the wonderful scores being posted are by elite juniors in the state. Not a average or normal score fit a high schooler.

 

I said high school golfer because they are high school golfers who play in high school golf. One of the students who is a high school golfer just broke he conference record and shot 63 at the conference championships. He's ranked just outside top 50 in the state. And the team I mentioned absolutely shot under par as a team multiple times. I taught all but one player on that team. At the time they were the only public high school to qualify for states 4 years in a row. They threw out a 73 in events. These are high school players in high school events

 

Yes and in the statement you quoted I just posted the news article ahowing the 63 in conference. The team shooting under par I clearly stated events, never said states. They generally play two matches a week for 6 weeks. The top player on that team shot multiple 65s and in one event the top three players were a combined -12. They only count 4/6 scores. It didn't happen all the time but it did happen several times. As a general rule a lot of the good schools have 3-4 good players and then fill in the rest. Some top private schools have complete teams. 10 years ago I'd say there were some better teams. Nowadays many top juniors choose not to play high school golf.

Fine play no doubt assisted by the fact they played from 6257 yards. Imo your last sentence of this post shows the disconnect between your posts and us readers. You refer often in this thread to high schoolers but are referring to age, not necessarily high school players. Top level elite juniors can beat or at least hang with LPGA players. No doubt and no argument there at all. But not run of the mill high schoolers. Two different things.

[PowderedToastMan]

http://www.fhsaa.org...al_resuilts.pdf

 

http://www.fhsaa.org...nal_results.pdf

 

More BS by the BS'er

I was just looking at the same thing. Must have been a local result?

 

I clearly said conference and those are last years State results.

 

http://m.staugustine...3-win#gsc.tab=0

 

The tournament referenced earlier was the Florida Boys Junior and NOT the high school state championship. I was very specific and even posted direct links to the tournament results.

 

My friend you are fighting a losing battle with these guys. They aren't comprehending what the whole entire premise of this thread is: CAN a 4 Handicap beat an LPGA Pro...

 

The answer is yes, they COULD.

Have you ever been introduced to the lottery? I think you guys would make good friends.

[iteachgolf]

I was just looking at the same thing. Must have been a local result?

 

I clearly said conference and those are last years State results.

 

http://m.staugustine.com/sports/high-school/2016-09-13/middleburgs-cody-carroll-scorches-st-johns-golf-club-course-63-win#gsc.tab=0

 

The tournament referenced earlier was the Florida Boys Junior and NOT the high school state championship. I was very specific and even posted direct links to the tournament results.

The post I was referring to is pasted below. There are no links to a result and you referred to conference and state results as if the scores were in the state event. Easy for us to misconstrue your meaning. Based on the high school results would it be fair to say that a high school team, even on Florida, has many weak links of not top caliber players? I appreciate you are talking about juniors and how they do in school events but based on the results posted it is clear that the wonderful scores being posted are by elite juniors in the state. Not a average or normal score fit a high schooler.

 

I said high school golfer because they are high school golfers who play in high school golf. One of the students who is a high school golfer just broke he conference record and shot 63 at the conference championships. He's ranked just outside top 50 in the state. And the team I mentioned absolutely shot under par as a team multiple times. I taught all but one player on that team. At the time they were the only public high school to qualify for states 4 years in a row. They threw out a 73 in events. These are high school players in high school events

 

Yes and in the statement you quoted I just posted the news article ahowing the 63 in conference. The team shooting under par I clearly stated events, never said states. They generally play two matches a week for 6 weeks. The top player on that team shot multiple 65s and in one event the top three players were a combined -12. They only count 4/6 scores. It didn't happen all the time but it did happen several times. As a general rule a lot of the good schools have 3-4 good players and then fill in the rest. Some top private schools have complete teams. 10 years ago I'd say there were some better teams. Nowadays many top juniors choose not to play high school golf.

Fine play no doubt assisted by the fact they played from 6257 yards. Imo your last sentence of this post shows the disconnect between your posts and us readers. You refer often in this thread to high schoolers but are referring to age, not necessarily high school players. Top level elite juniors can beat or at least hang with LPGA players. No doubt and no argument there at all. But not run of the mill high schoolers. Two different things.

 

The disconnect is your fault not mine. I never said run of the mill high schoolers could. I gave VERY specific parameters and used a SPECIFIC event, the FL Boys Junior. I can't help it if you don't read what I write. I was very specific about the group of players I was talking about. That same player has shot in the mid 60s in several events, even from much further back. He had 3 lip outs in the round of 63 and do it from the same distance the LPGA Tour would have played from. He's ranked outside the top 500 in the country and outside the top 50 in the state. Depends on your definition of elite.

[Shilgy]

The kid that won is a +3.8. Darn close to elite in my book. And yes, that is better than the last lady fighting to keep her card. His team shot 295 so the other players on his team averaged a bit over 77. And they finished second in the team result you posted.

And you're right, you did not say run of the mill, you said good. Clearly your definition of good is different than mine.

 

From your post

A good high school golfer in FL is about the same as an LPGA tour player fighting to keep her card, say 75-100 on money list. The LPGA player would finish around 30-40th in the boys junior, maybe.

 

Do you have a link to the Floor boys junior? I could only find the latest result just completed and would like to view the scores. Thanks.

[iteachgolf]

The kid that won is a +3.8. Darn close to elite in my book. And yes, that is better than the last lady fighting to keep her card. His team shot 295 so the other players on his team averaged a bit over 77. And they finished second in the team result you posted.

And you're right, you did not say run of the mill, you said good. Clearly your definition of good is different than mine.

 

From your post

A good high school golfer in FL is about the same as an LPGA tour player fighting to keep her card, say 75-100 on money list. The LPGA player would finish around 30-40th in the boys junior, maybe.

 

Do you have a link to the Floor boys junior? I could only find the latest result just completed and would like to view the scores. Thanks.

 

Been posted multiple times including at least top of this very page. I clearly qualified my definition of good as finishing between 30-40th in the boys junior (which only had one player ranked in the top 25 actually playing in the event). To finish 30-40th you would have had to average 75 over 3 rounds on two courses over 7,000 yards.

 

The kid who won's team shot way worse than that. They absolutely did not finish second.

 

[Shilgy]

The kid that won is a +3.8. Darn close to elite in my book. And yes, that is better than the last lady fighting to keep her card. His team shot 295 so the other players on his team averaged a bit over 77. And they finished second in the team result you posted.

And you're right, you did not say run of the mill, you said good. Clearly your definition of good is different than mine.

 

From your post

A good high school golfer in FL is about the same as an LPGA tour player fighting to keep her card, say 75-100 on money list. The LPGA player would finish around 30-40th in the boys junior, maybe.

 

Do you have a link to the Floor boys junior? I could only find the latest result just completed and would like to view the scores. Thanks.

 

Been posted multiple times including at least top of this very page. I clearly qualified my definition of good as finishing between 30-40th in the boys junior (which only had one player ranked in the top 25 actually playing in the event). To finish 30-40th you would have had to average 75 over 3 rounds on two courses over 7,000 yards.

 

The kid who won's team shot way worse than that. They absolutely did not finish second.

 

No worries if you clarified. In the post I referred to you very clearly said good high schooler. Not the top juniors in Florida. What percentage would you think of the top Florida juniors are actually from Florida? Meaning not just students that attend one of the many academies based there and are from other states and countries.

[Shilgy]

So we've established that a 4 is at best unlikely to defeat the struggling pro. And that the best, or good, Florida juniors can beat her. What level of player would you call an even bet? +1? 0? +2?

[llewol007]

Maybe because anything is possible but I would say they have a 10% chance to win.

[iteachgolf]

The kid that won is a +3.8. Darn close to elite in my book. And yes, that is better than the last lady fighting to keep her card. His team shot 295 so the other players on his team averaged a bit over 77. And they finished second in the team result you posted.

And you're right, you did not say run of the mill, you said good. Clearly your definition of good is different than mine.

 

From your post

A good high school golfer in FL is about the same as an LPGA tour player fighting to keep her card, say 75-100 on money list. The LPGA player would finish around 30-40th in the boys junior, maybe.

 

Do you have a link to the Floor boys junior? I could only find the latest result just completed and would like to view the scores. Thanks.

 

Been posted multiple times including at least top of this very page. I clearly qualified my definition of good as finishing between 30-40th in the boys junior (which only had one player ranked in the top 25 actually playing in the event). To finish 30-40th you would have had to average 75 over 3 rounds on two courses over 7,000 yards.

 

The kid who won's team shot way worse than that. They absolutely did not finish second.

 

No worries if you clarified. In the post I referred to you very clearly said good high schooler. Not the top juniors in Florida. What percentage would you think of the top Florida juniors are actually from Florida? Meaning not just students that attend one of the many academies based there and are from other states and countries.

 

And in the post you quoted and at least 10 after that I quantified good as finishing top 30-40 in FL Boys junior or being roughly top 150-200 in the state rankings. I've been VERY clear and specific the entire time.

 

What are you considering top? I'd say many of the better ones are from FL. Some of the TOP ones are from academies but many of the top 100 are just kids who grew up here. And a good chunk of the kids at those academies are also actually from FL.

[nsxguy]

So we've established that a 4 is at best unlikely to defeat the struggling pro. And that the best, or good, Florida juniors can beat her. What level of player would you call an even bet? +1? 0? +2?

 

No, "we" haven't established any such thing.

 

You and some others have "established" that.

 

There are WAY too many "ifs" and "buts" to think that "we" have established anything but a myriad of different opinions.

 

Meanwhile there are several who think the 4 HDCP (with some stipulations of course) has an excellent chance.

 

Probably better if we let the whole thing drop,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Shilgy]

So we've established that a 4 is at best unlikely to defeat the struggling pro. And that the best, or good, Florida juniors can beat her. What level of player would you call an even bet? +1? 0? +2?

 

No, "we" haven't established any such thing.

 

You and some others have "established" that.

 

There are WAY too many "ifs" and "buts" to think that "we" have established anything but a myriad of different opinions.

 

Meanwhile there are several who think the 4 HDCP (with some stipulations of course) has an excellent chance.

 

Probably better if we let the whole thing drop,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Sorry if I misspoke. What stipulations would make the 4 competitive?

[nsxguy]

So we've established that a 4 is at best unlikely to defeat the struggling pro. And that the best, or good, Florida juniors can beat her. What level of player would you call an even bet? +1? 0? +2?

 

No, "we" haven't established any such thing.

 

You and some others have "established" that.

 

There are WAY too many "ifs" and "buts" to think that "we" have established anything but a myriad of different opinions.

 

Meanwhile there are several who think the 4 HDCP (with some stipulations of course) has an excellent chance.

 

Probably better if we let the whole thing drop,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Sorry if I misspoke. What stipulations would make the 4 competitive?

 

Forget it.

 

After 25 pages of all sorts of parameters, ifs, ands, and buts, I'm not about to start the whole thing over again.

 

Maybe I'll start a thread with the EXACT parameters of the 4 HDCP'er and whether we're talking about ANY LPGA Tour Pro or a top 5 (or 10, or 50, or, or, or). But nobody should hold their breath,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[PowderedToastMan]

Honestly, this thread is argumentative and borderline sexist. For the record, if I played Tiger Woods 1000 times during his prime, I probably COULD have beat him once or twice.

 

The thread should be titled "Does a 4 cap man have a reasonable chance at beating an LPGA Tour player?". No one in their right mind would answer yes to that.

[heavy_hitter]

The kid that won is a +3.8. Darn close to elite in my book. And yes, that is better than the last lady fighting to keep her card. His team shot 295 so the other players on his team averaged a bit over 77. And they finished second in the team result you posted.

And you're right, you did not say run of the mill, you said good. Clearly your definition of good is different than mine.

 

From your post

A good high school golfer in FL is about the same as an LPGA tour player fighting to keep her card, say 75-100 on money list. The LPGA player would finish around 30-40th in the boys junior, maybe.

 

Do you have a link to the Floor boys junior? I could only find the latest result just completed and would like to view the scores. Thanks.

 

Been posted multiple times including at least top of this very page. I clearly qualified my definition of good as finishing between 30-40th in the boys junior (which only had one player ranked in the top 25 actually playing in the event). To finish 30-40th you would have had to average 75 over 3 rounds on two courses over 7,000 yards.

 

The kid who won's team shot way worse than that. They absolutely did not finish second.

 

https://instagram.com/p/BKTxBmEgXG9/

No worries if you clarified. In the post I referred to you very clearly said good high schooler. Not the top juniors in Florida. What percentage would you think of the top Florida juniors are actually from Florida? Meaning not just students that attend one of the many academies based there and are from other states and countries.

 

Yes, he very clearly stated high schoolers several times.

 

The term is junior golfers. As I have said, the average high school player is a +10 at best, and that is being generous.

[iteachgolf]

The kid that won is a +3.8. Darn close to elite in my book. And yes, that is better than the last lady fighting to keep her card. His team shot 295 so the other players on his team averaged a bit over 77. And they finished second in the team result you posted.

And you're right, you did not say run of the mill, you said good. Clearly your definition of good is different than mine.

 

From your post

A good high school golfer in FL is about the same as an LPGA tour player fighting to keep her card, say 75-100 on money list. The LPGA player would finish around 30-40th in the boys junior, maybe.

 

Do you have a link to the Floor boys junior? I could only find the latest result just completed and would like to view the scores. Thanks.

 

Been posted multiple times including at least top of this very page. I clearly qualified my definition of good as finishing between 30-40th in the boys junior (which only had one player ranked in the top 25 actually playing in the event). To finish 30-40th you would have had to average 75 over 3 rounds on two courses over 7,000 yards.

 

The kid who won's team shot way worse than that. They absolutely did not finish second.

 

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No worries if you clarified. In the post I referred to you very clearly said good high schooler. Not the top juniors in Florida. What percentage would you think of the top Florida juniors are actually from Florida? Meaning not just students that attend one of the many academies based there and are from other states and countries.

 

Yes, he very clearly stated high schoolers several times.

 

The term is junior golfers. As I have said, the average high school player is a +10 at best, and that is being generous.

 

No the term is high school golfer. Any high school golfer is also a junior golfer. The term junior golfer is infinitely less descriptive. A 6 year old is a junior golfer. Or a 3 year old. Or a 10 year old. Which wasn't what I was talking about. The description I 100% meant was high school aged golfers.

 

And I never said average high schooler. I very clearly said good high school golfer and then qualified what I considered good. It couldn't have been more clear or specific

[Shilgy]

The kid that won is a +3.8. Darn close to elite in my book. And yes, that is better than the last lady fighting to keep her card. His team shot 295 so the other players on his team averaged a bit over 77. And they finished second in the team result you posted.

And you're right, you did not say run of the mill, you said good. Clearly your definition of good is different than mine.

 

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A good high school golfer in FL is about the same as an LPGA tour player fighting to keep her card, say 75-100 on money list. The LPGA player would finish around 30-40th in the boys junior, maybe.

 

Do you have a link to the Floor boys junior? I could only find the latest result just completed and would like to view the scores. Thanks.

 

Been posted multiple times including at least top of this very page. I clearly qualified my definition of good as finishing between 30-40th in the boys junior (which only had one player ranked in the top 25 actually playing in the event). To finish 30-40th you would have had to average 75 over 3 rounds on two courses over 7,000 yards.

 

The kid who won's team shot way worse than that. They absolutely did not finish second.

 

https://instagram.com/p/BKTxBmEgXG9/

No worries if you clarified. In the post I referred to you very clearly said good high schooler. Not the top juniors in Florida. What percentage would you think of the top Florida juniors are actually from Florida? Meaning not just students that attend one of the many academies based there and are from other states and countries.

 

Yes, he very clearly stated high schoolers several times.

 

The term is junior golfers. As I have said, the average high school player is a +10 at best, and that is being generous.

 

No the term is high school golfer. Any high school golfer is also a junior golfer. The term junior golfer is infinitely less descriptive. A 6 year old is a junior golfer. Or a 3 year old. Or a 10 year old. Which wasn't what I was talking about. The description I 100% meant was high school aged golfers.

 

And I never said average high schooler. I very clearly said good high school golfer and then qualified what I considered good. It couldn't have been more clear or specific

You have definitely defined your statement quite eloquently by now. The original post of "good high schooler" is where I personally found confusion.

 

Moving on. You and I have agreed that the 4 would beat the struggling lady maybe 1 in 20 times. About 5% was the number as I recall. What level handicap would you call an even bet? +1? +2? With the clarification of course that they are tournament level caps not just home club handicaps.

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Been posted multiple times including at least top of this very page. I clearly qualified my definition of good as finishing between 30-40th in the boys junior (which only had one player ranked in the top 25 actually playing in the event). To finish 30-40th you would have had to average 75 over 3 rounds on two courses over 7,000 yards.

 

The kid who won's team shot way worse than that. They absolutely did not finish second.

 

https://instagram.com/p/BKTxBmEgXG9/

No worries if you clarified. In the post I referred to you very clearly said good high schooler. Not the top juniors in Florida. What percentage would you think of the top Florida juniors are actually from Florida? Meaning not just students that attend one of the many academies based there and are from other states and countries.

 

Yes, he very clearly stated high schoolers several times.

 

The term is junior golfers. As I have said, the average high school player is a +10 at best, and that is being generous.

 

No the term is high school golfer. Any high school golfer is also a junior golfer. The term junior golfer is infinitely less descriptive. A 6 year old is a junior golfer. Or a 3 year old. Or a 10 year old. Which wasn't what I was talking about. The description I 100% meant was high school aged golfers.

 

And I never said average high schooler. I very clearly said good high school golfer and then qualified what I considered good. It couldn't have been more clear or specific

You have definitely defined your statement quite eloquently by now. The original post of "good high schooler" is where I personally found confusion.

 

Moving on. You and I have agreed that the 4 would beat the struggling lady maybe 1 in 20 times. About 5% was the number as I recall. What level handicap would you call an even bet? +1? +2? With the clarification of course that they are tournament level caps not just home club handicaps.

 

A tournament +1 would be a good match from 6600 yards and I think from 7,000 yards would win more than 50%.

[Shilgy]

 

A tournament +1 would be a good match from 6600 yards and I think from 7,000 yards would win more than 50%.

Agreed. I would think it would depend a bit on the course. The male +1 is likely-not necessarily- longer that the lady pro so a course with longer forced carries and bunkering in front of greens would tend to favor the guy. A tight 7000 yard course without the forced carries would bring it back to equal imo.