Hybrids launch higher, spin more, and start to introduce the more pronounced gearing effect of woods on mishits. One or multiple of these may be undesirable for some, so the obvious choice is to continue into a longer, specialized iron. Plus many people have issues with the left miss in many hybrids.
I forget how much i was able to squeeze in but i'm about to build up another so I'll let you know
Yes, I play cobra one length clubs, mostly anyway. However, before I bought the one length shaft to try in my utility,I bought a full length king utility 18 to 21 that was 38.75” with a C-Taper Lite R -Flex shaft for $125. I swear the club was never used. The one length shaft I bought after the fact off eBay to try and compared. The OL shaft is a Mamiya Recoil ES 780 F3, stiff I think. I have a SkyTrak launch monitor setup in my garage too and have hit and compared numbers with both shafts. The quality of my strike is touch more consistent with the OL shaft as you would expect but the 38.75” shaft was the ticket for me.
My 4i F7 OL I get about 175 to 182 pretty consistently. A perfect strike, I can get 195. With the OL shaft in the utility iron head there wasn’t much benefit for me compared to my 4i. My average driver swing speed is 87 to 92. However, with the 38.75” C-Taper shaft and loft set at 20.5, I can crank the driving iron out to 195 to 205 pretty consistently off the deck and hit it 215 at best. I took my Tayormade M3 3W out of the bag and threw it in the time out corner without looking back.
I love the King Utility Iron so much, I seen another head only deal on eBay that included a new tip adapter but was missing the tin foil logo badge off the back of the head for $50 and I snatched it up. If you find yourself needing a OL shaft, I’d sell the Recoil without looking back but have no interest in parting with the spare head.
Accuracy, Accuracy, Accuracy for me.
I recently put a xx flex shaft in a ping rapture 2 iron head and loaded it up with lead tape. Absolute rocket off the tee and arguably better off the tee into wind than my driver. One of my better experiments to date
For me, I hit long irons very well. I can hit my TMB 2 iron 220 to 260 (downwind). Just perfect for short par 4s.
Never hit a hybrid. But from the tee, I don't see how it could be better than my long irons.
I carry a hybrid and a driving iron... driving iron for low shots into the wind, hybrid for more forgiveness, higher ball flight and to hit into greens.
As of 3/5/20
9.5 Cobra LTD Pro with Aldila Blue X
13 Degree Adams Speedline with Aldila Alpha X
18 Degree Adams A12 with Proforce X
6-PW Adams CMB with Project X 6.0
4 iron / utility Sub 70 699 with Proforce 85 gram X
50, 54, 58 Vokeys
2 Ball Putter
13/14 completed for now.
Agreed, P790 UDI. I picked up 20 yards over my MP18 MMC Fli-Hi 2i. Better look and the face is crazy hot. If you are looking for a true driving iron, I think you have to have to go with a graphite shaft. Your normal iron shaft is probably going to be too heavy to really get the launch characteristics you want.
I see you have the 2 HMB in your profile. Did you have a preference between that and the U-500? Pros and cons?
My signature update was a little premature, because I bought the HMB 2 iron but it hasn't arrived yet, so I still have more testing to do. But I am currently so infatuated with my MP-20s that I'm leaning toward staying in that family. I still have the U500 4 and 3, which I really like, but I won't make a final decision about these and the HMB until I can do more testing.
One option that I haven't seen mentioned is the Tour Edge CBX iron-wood. I also have two Srixon Z-U45 driving irons (18/23) that I don't currently use, but are very good clubs. I had switched back to a 3 iron in place of the 23* DIhe 17 degree CBX has been in my bag since last year. I have the same shafts as in my irons for the two Srixon clubs, and the CBX has the stock HZRDUS black in it, and the combination of a little less loft and the shaft make it a little longer, and I find it is easier to keep down off the tee. The CBX is also a really nice-feeling club -- the ball really feels like it jumps off the face when you hit it solidly.
I would have to agree, that accuracy is the most important issue, and irons always seem to be more accurate than metals or woods. Accuracy seems to be the primary reason for driving irons usage, as well as keeping the trajectory lower.
OK, so I finally got to test the 2 HMB and to put it up against the U500, although it wasn't apples to apples because I only have the 3 iron (and 4) in the U500. Against the U500 3 iron (20 degrees loft), the HMB 2 (16 degrees loft) was delivering much lower ball flight -- low bullets -- which you would expect with the loft differences. With every measurable -- club head speed, ball speed, total distance, etc. -- the HMB beat the U500. If I had tested against the U500 2 iron, however, the results probably would have been comparable. I did feel, however, that I had a bit more control with the HMB 2 iron. As much as I love the U500, which I have touted all over GolfWRX, it did have a tendency for some leaky shots that could spray either left or right. I think this has more to do with the relatively light (graphite Hrzrdus) shaft. I have the Modus 120 in the 2 iron and it feels fantastic and just seems more in control (same shaft as my irons) without any major drop-off in speed.
In terms of looks, both are awesome. Maybe the two best on the market. No complaints about either, although the HMB does have more offset. Not my favorite, but it doesn't bother me with this club because I generally play a draw with a 2 iron. The U500 also has a subtly cut-out leading edge for better turf interaction, but I didn't do enough testing to be able to tell the difference.
Finally, regarding feel, it goes to the HMB. Mishits are less pleasant with the U500. Pure shots are great with both, but slightly better with the HMB.
Overall, you truly can't go wrong with either of these. I am a huge fan of U500. I'm only kicking them out because I want to maintain a bit more consistency with the other irons/shafts in my bag (see below). And I also, very slightly, prefer the HMB.
Terrific summary. Thanks for taking the time to post.
So a year ago I tried the TM UDI and was not a huge fan of it. I then decided to try out a Nike Vapor Fly Pro 3 iron and love it, but I might move on from it soon and try out some of the newer stuff. Mostly looking at the Titleist U500 but I am open and going to test out a couple to see which one fits me best and if none can beat out the nike, then it looks like that one will stay in the bag.
Driver - Titleist TS3 w/ Fubuki 63 S3W - TItleist 917F2 16.5º needs a new shaftDI - Nike Vapor Fly Pro 3i w/ Fujikura Pro Tour Spec 95xIrons - JPX 900 forged 5-P w/ Tour Issue S300 AMT WhiteWedges - 50º, 54º, 60º Cleveland 588 Custom Tour raw wedges w/ DG wedge shaftsPutter - Compass Golf Co Custom face balanced bladeBall - Srixon Z Star yellow
Adams Pro DHy - have yet to find anything that feels better or is more consistent. The Aldila Tour Blue shaft on it is amazing too.
Thanks for the report! I agree with your subjective feedback about feel, especially on mishits. The U500/U510 are pretty jarring when you miss it, and I definitely don't care for the stock 90g HZRDUS shaft, which I think contributes to the harsh feel. If you're used to a 120g shaft then it makes perfect sense that a 30g drop in weight would lead to more erratic dispersion, especially given the difference in shaft profile as well. If you ever get the itch, shafting up a U500 2-iron with your Tour 120, ramming a 5/16" wooden dowel down the shaft for vibration dampening, and getting the head heavily hot melted (may need to shorten the club unless you like heavier weight) would likely take it to a whole different level. IMO that is the key to getting buttery feel out of these hollow irons. @J13 on here can hook you up with hotmelt if you ever want to try it out.
Another vote for the Srixon’s here. Love my U85 18 degree. Wilson FG Tour V4 utility is another underrated option, one of my favorites until the U85 knocked it out of the bag.
I agree about the Srixon. However I have to say I had to tinker with shafts to get it to really perform. It came stock with the Recoil. Didn’t care for it at all. Tried a few other shafts I had laying around and hit the jackpot with an old Black Tie. That turned it into an accurate low screamer off the tee and a very sweet 4wood performer off the deck. Been in the bag ever since.
Recently cracked the face of my Titleist 818 hybrid (21 deg) and given the wait time for replacements due to shops being closed I decided to build a Maltby TS-1 3iron (20 deg) with an X100 AMT shaft for $80 all in at the Golfworks. It supposedly has the same construction and tech as P790 and while I haven't compared them head to head I believe it. The club looks great, is easy to flight and is a rocket in terms of ball speed. When the hybrid does come back I'll most likely keep the 3iron in the bag anyway. Good option for anyone comfortable building their own clubs on the cheap!
For those of you who dropped a hybrid for a long iron/driving iron, did you use the same shaft as your irons? or a lighter weight/higher launching shaft? or graphite? I'm thinking of trying out a HMB 3 iron to replace my hybrid but would put in the Oban 100 shaft and not 115 to help with launch. Thoughts?
He plays his fli hi with a regular r300.
It helps get the ball higher than the s300 and forces him not to swing too hard but smooth....It’s like a governor To his over swing that can occur on a distance shot.
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As an X100 player in my irons, I'm very happy with a Modus3 Tour 105X (112g weight) in my U85 2 iron. I've also had a Kuro Kage 100 TX HY (107g weight) in a U65 3 iron that I was happy with. But for penetrating flight, with a lighter shaft than my irons to add some swing speed, the steel Modus3 Tour 105X was it.
Question for you and everyone else who has compared the TMB (716) to u500. What's the main difference?
I use a 716 tmb 2iron and like it off the tee and deck, but am curious about the new offerings. I use the same shaft as my irons (px lz 6.5 125g) and am also curious what using a graphite shaft would change.
I’m currently trying to figure this out myself.
I picked up a black Taylormade p790 3 iron. I play X100s in my irons. I picked up a Fujikara Pro 115 X to start with. Really struggled with consistency. I suspect because it’s too light. Just grabbed a black KBS C-Taper X to see if steel would bring some consistency with it. I would get X100s but I really wanted a black shaft. The black head/shaft combo really looks awesome.
U500 feels hotter to me, with lower fall flight. I like the cosmetics a lot better. The pre-worn leading edge is a nice feature. Feels a little better, although It's been some time since I have hit the TMBs. Between the two TMB models, I remember feeling like the 716 felt a little more solid -- more like a traditional iron -- but it spun quite a bit, whereas 718 felt a little more like what it was -- a hot-faced, hollow-bodied iron. The U500 also has a better stock shaft (the 716 I hit had a S300 steel and the 718 I owned had PX LZ, which I really hated). The U500 has much lower offset than the TMBs, so it looks much better at address to my eye.
Having said all that, I recently switched to the Mizuno HMB, for reasons noted earlier in this thread, but it's basically a tossup for me between the U500 and HMB. Both are superior to either of the TMBs, IMO.
I have just added the HMB 3 iron to go with the 4 iron I had. Bought it specifically for the tee shot on 17 at my home course. I went with the same shaft as in my irons for a consistent feel. Such a great long iron!
I've got 2 rounds in with the new Tour Edge Ti-Utility 21*. I have a 2019 UDI which I really like, but its a bit too long for what I want, and the flight is too low for me. Awesome for a low runner off the tee- just not the right fit for me if I need something off the deck, I always wanted it in a 20-21*, the regular P790 #3 just has too much offset. So far I've been quite happy with the Tour Edge. Same shaft, HZRDUS Smoke Black 6.5 in both, obviously the 21* Ti-Utility launches a lot higher than the 17* Taylormade, the distance is spot on what I want for a driving iron, launches easily off the deck and is actually pretty forgiving, even if contact is a hair heavy. Its a lot easier for me to manipulate the flight up and down with the higher lofted club so the "stinger" is still there, but now its a club I can play off the fairway too.
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