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Ping G400 Max vs. Ping G410 Plus

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NorbooNorboo  2320WRX Points: 151Handicap: 12Members Posts: 2,320
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Any real world by average golfer reviews? Is it worth the upgrade? Is 410 longer and more forgiving than the 400?

How is the 410 SFT vs. 400 SFT?
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Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5 Stock Alta (need shaft fitting)
Fairway Wood: Ryoma F3 and F5
Hybrid: TaylorMade M6 4H
Irons: OnOff Kuro 2015 6 - PW
Wedge: Cleveland CBX2 50, RTX4 54 and 58
Putter: S.C. GoLo 3
Ball: TaylorMade TP5X
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  • gvogelgvogel  8025WRX Points: 1,015Members Posts: 8,025
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    Head to head, I have a feeling that the differences are minimal, or even non-existing.



    Now, if you pick one off the rack and happen to get a shaft that works for your move, you might find buried treasure. You never know. A dollar and a dream.
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  • mantanmantan  2623WRX Points: 208Handicap: 13.5Members Posts: 2,623
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    I never get this line of thinking. The 400max is so freaking good, I can't imagine turning around a few months later and expecting the next club to be significantly better. PING stuff usually gets incrementally better and occasionally has a good leap. The Max was one of those good leaps.
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    WITB (as of 1/10/20)
    PING G400 Max 10.5*
    PING G400 5-Wood
    PING G25 20* Hybrid
    PING G25 23* Hybrid
    Srixon Z565 5-AW
    Cleveland CBX 2 54*
    PING Glide ES 58*
    Cleveland Frontline Elevado
    Callaway Chrome Soft TruVis
  • wutnotwutnot  1WRX Points: 1Members Posts: 1
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    I am not a good golfer. I carry my driver 200 on a good day. The max feels bulky to me and I lose control of squaring up the head with the stick Alta 55 reg shaft. I hit the 410 plus in neutral setting with the stock Alta reg shaft and it just worked for my swing. I was able to be consistent with striking in the middle and control the head better. And I was able to really go after the swing and load the shaft well. I am not sure on the difference between the shafts but the new one was better for me.
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  • RainShadowRainShadow Tucson AZ (for now) 4056WRX Points: 412Handicap: 8.7Members Posts: 4,056
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    I didn't like the sound or feel of the 400 max, so I went with the reg G400. When I was fit by Ping they let me hit the new 410 and it felt and sounded great. If the G410 plus has the same sound, I'd go with that.
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    Ping G400 10.5 (9.5) Hzrdus Yellow 75 6.0
    Rogue 17* Atmos Blue TS 
    G 410 19*, 22* & 26* Tensei CK Pro Blue 80s
    Cobra Forged Tec Black 6-GW Modus 105s 
    Vokey SM7 54/8 M 
    Vokey SM7 58/8 M 
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  • wobgonwobgon  7737WRX Points: 488Members Posts: 7,737
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    RainShadow wrote:


    I didn't like the sound or feel of the 400 max, so I went with the reg G400. When I was fit by Ping they let me hit the new 410 and it felt and sounded great. If the G410 plus has the same sound, I'd go with that.


    Isn't the 410 and the 410 plus the same thing?
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  • GolfTurkeyGolfTurkey  612WRX Points: 149Members Posts: 612
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    mantan wrote:


    I never get this line of thinking. The 400max is so freaking good, I can't imagine turning around a few months later and expecting the next club to be significantly better. PING stuff usually gets incrementally better and occasionally has a good leap. The Max was one of those good leaps.




    The advantage of the G410 Plus over the G400Max is adjustability, at the cost of a little forgiveness.



    The Max only comes in 2 lofts (yes you can digitally loft) and the hotel has limited adjustability.



    The 410 comes in more lofts, has more settings on the hotel and you can move the weight into a draw or fade position. This gives you or your fitter far more options to fit the driver correctly to your personal swing tendencies.
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  • 3_Putt_Par3_Putt_Par Somewhere out West. 890WRX Points: 69Handicap: 2 hiMembers Posts: 890
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    At a recent demo day, I brought my Max to hit head to head against the 410 Plus. Thankfully they had a Trackman unit so I didn't have to go by ball flight alone.



    For me, I got pretty much the same numbers from both of them, however my dispersion was better with my gamer which I attribute to the shaft, since the only comparable shaft they had was the stock Tour shaft. The 410 did sound better and the additional adjustability is a great addition. If dialed in, the 410 could perhaps give me a few more yards, but not enough for me to fork out the dough for a new driver. That being said, the hybrid and fairway wood are seriously under consideration for spots in the bag this year.
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    9* Ping G400 Max w/ Tour AD GP 7
    16.5* M2 ‘16 Tour Issue HL w/ P9003
    19* Ping G410 3h w/Tour 85
    4-PW Onoff Kuro Forged (2019) w/ Modus3 125
    52/08 OnOff 2015 Kuro Forged Wedge Black Finish
    56/12 Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth w/ Modus3 125
    60/06 Ping Glide 3.0 TS w/ DG TI S200
    TM Spider Tour Black Double Bend
  • vpexpvpexp  62WRX Points: 106Members Posts: 62
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    My gamer is a G400 Max. I recently had a fitting at Hot Stix and we found that tha a Kyoshi Black shaft gave me the best results in my Max. Tried lots of other heads and shafts but overall the GMax with the Kyoshi was best. The last thing we did was try the 410 with that shaft. Got a touch better numbers with that combination, not enough to notice on the course though, but more importantly to me the sound, feel and dispersion were better with the 410 for me. I could easily make the case to just change to the Kyoshi Black shaft and stick with the 400 Max head, but I decided to get the 410 plus head as well, just liked hitting it better and felt like I had more control.
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  • ORTORT  289WRX Points: 50Handicap: 10Members Posts: 289
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    vpexp wrote:
    My gamer is a G400 Max. I recently had a fitting at Hot Stix and we found that tha a Kyoshi Black shaft gave me the best results in my Max. Tried lots of other heads and shafts but overall the GMax with the Kyoshi was best. The last thing we did was try the 410 with that shaft. Got a touch better numbers with that combination, not enough to notice on the course though, but more importantly to me the sound, feel and dispersion were better with the 410 for me. I could easily make the case to just change to the Kyoshi Black shaft and stick with the 400 Max head, but I decided to get the 410 plus head as well, just liked hitting it better and felt like I had more control.




    I see you and a couple others mention the sound. How would you compare the sound of the 410 to the 400max? After hitting the max in my garage range for a few balls my ears are ringing. After about 20 I've had enough. Wondering if the 410 is a little more muted.
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  • bluerrpilotbluerrpilot  289WRX Points: 45Members Posts: 289
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    mantan wrote:


    I never get this line of thinking. The 400max is so freaking good, I can't imagine turning around a few months later and expecting the next club to be significantly better. PING stuff usually gets incrementally better and occasionally has a good leap. The Max was one of those good leaps.




    Because a manufacture is not making money unless they are producing a new product
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  • RainShadowRainShadow Tucson AZ (for now) 4056WRX Points: 412Handicap: 8.7Members Posts: 4,056
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    wobgon wrote:

    RainShadow wrote:


    I didn't like the sound or feel of the 400 max, so I went with the reg G400. When I was fit by Ping they let me hit the new 410 and it felt and sounded great. If the G410 plus has the same sound, I'd go with that.


    Isn't the 410 and the 410 plus the same thing?


    Wasn't aware that was the case. I didn't remember the "plus" part.
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    Ping G400 10.5 (9.5) Hzrdus Yellow 75 6.0
    Rogue 17* Atmos Blue TS 
    G 410 19*, 22* & 26* Tensei CK Pro Blue 80s
    Cobra Forged Tec Black 6-GW Modus 105s 
    Vokey SM7 54/8 M 
    Vokey SM7 58/8 M 
    Toulon Madison H1 neck (L)/ Bettinardi BB1
    Chrome Soft / TourB RXS / FG Tour
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  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Tasmania to Canada 13178WRX Points: 2,110Handicap: 1.6Members Posts: 13,178
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    I love my LST but when the new one comes out, if it feels better and I can set if flatter and toe weight then I may spend the dough



    The LST three wood will likely crack my starting lineup
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    Ping G400 LST 11* GD Pershing 55x
    Ping G400 3w 15.1* Oban Revenge 65x
    Callaway GBB 5w 18* Aldila NVS Pink 85x 
    Callaway Apex 4h 23* GD Tour AD DI 95x
    Callaway Apex 5h 26* GD Tour AD DI 105x
    Mizuno 919T 6-GW UST 95 Recoil f4 
    Ping Eye2+ 53* UST 110 Recoil f4
    Ping Glide ES 59* wrx UST 110
    Callaway PM 64* UST 110
    Piretti Matera Elite 

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    Eraser hearing protection will reduce the sound level while beating balls in your basement, while still being able to hear music, or someone talking. Their very comfortable to wear.
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    G400Max 10.5 Driver Red tie 6Q3 stiff
    917 F2 Fairway set at 18* Speeder TS mod 74 stiff
    Ping G410 Hybrid 22* & 26* Evenflo Black 6.0 stiff

    Ping G Gap-6 iron Steelfiber i95 R.flex

    Ping Anser 52* Steelfiber i95 R.flex
    Cleveland CBX 56* Steelfiber i95 R fles
    Callaway X Tour 59.5* Steelfiber i95 R.flex
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  • ORTORT  289WRX Points: 50Handicap: 10Members Posts: 289
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    KARL M wrote:
    Eraser hearing protection will reduce the sound level while beating balls in your basement, while still being able to hear music, or someone talking. Their very comfortable to wear.




    Do you have a link?
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  • Hookasaurus RexHookasaurus Rex Purveyor of fine turf  1088WRX Points: 118Members Posts: 1,088
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    RainShadow wrote:


    I didn't like the sound or feel of the 400 max, so I went with the reg G400. When I was fit by Ping they let me hit the new 410 and it felt and sounded great. If the G410 plus has the same sound, I'd go with that.




    I felt the same way when I owned the 400 Max. I much preferred the LST...
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    Cobra LTD Pro Aldila Copperhead 60tx 
    Callaway Super Hybrid 16* Tensei Pro Orange 80s
    Ping G410 19* Hybrid Evenflow Black 85 6.0
    Taylormade p790 4-GW Project X LZ 6.0
    Cobra King Black 54*, 58* Modus Wedge 115
    PXG Bat Attack 35” 400g
  • t4t3rt4t3r  2868WRX Points: 323Members Posts: 2,868
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    The Max is loud, even on the course for me. Luckily I was able to demo one before putting into play the one I picked up. She went right back. A little hot melt I'm sure would do a lot for the sound but that cut down my weight options quite a bit as the head I had was on the chunky side.



    Looking forward to trying out the 410 at some point.
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  • ORTORT  289WRX Points: 50Handicap: 10Members Posts: 289
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    t4t3r wrote:
    The Max is loud, even on the course for me.




    I took it to the range one time since I bought it and people were looking at me to see what all the racket was about!
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  • Arlin964Arlin964  131WRX Points: 44Handicap: 14Members Posts: 131
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    I finished a driver fitting at club champion today. My first visit 2 mo the ago they put me into the G400 Max. At the time I didn’t love the feel, but I can’t argue with MOI since my main struggle is consistency in strike location.



    Today I hit both the G400Max and the G410 Plus.



    Dispersion and total distance was very similar between the two, but G410 Plus felt significantly better to me, and the sound was slightly better than 400 Max.



    Add the adjustability of the 410 and I was easily convinced I liked it better. I PLAN to get better with strike location, so as I get better I can change the weight out of the Draw bias.



    Walked out with a new driver 10 business days away for the first time since 2012.



    Fitting information side comment - I game a TaylorMade R1. My fitter said he wouldn’t let someone pay him to try to get me into a TM driver. Said they’re nowhere near as forgiving as the ping drivers.



    As with everything, keep that grain of salt nearby, but I had no reason to distrust the fitter. He knew all kinds of data about me just by watching me swing.
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  • Marco ColoMarco Colo  661WRX Points: 195Handicap: 18.5Members Posts: 661
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    What setting shall be used to have it similar to an SFT?
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  • dlygrissedlygrisse Kansas 13789WRX Points: 1,331Handicap: 8-ishMembers Posts: 13,789
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    Marco Colo wrote:


    What setting shall be used to have it similar to an SFT?




    Start by putting the weight towards the heel, then increase the loft if you want the face a bit more closed.
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    I pick 14 of the following:
    Ping G400
    Callaway Epic Flash 3w 
    Ping G410 5 and 7 wood
    Callaway Apex 23*
    Ping G 4-U
    Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 54, 58 SS or Vokey M Grind 58
    Grips NDMC +4
    Odyssey Pro #1 black
    Jones Utility
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  • NorbooNorboo  2320WRX Points: 151Handicap: 12Members Posts: 2,320
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    Marco Colo wrote:


    What setting shall be used to have it similar to an SFT?




    Just on a draw bias.



    Note: G410 SFT is super draw bias vs. G400 SFT. G410 Plus on Draw bias is same as G400 SFT in terms of draw bias.
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    Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5 Stock Alta (need shaft fitting)
    Fairway Wood: Ryoma F3 and F5
    Hybrid: TaylorMade M6 4H
    Irons: OnOff Kuro 2015 6 - PW
    Wedge: Cleveland CBX2 50, RTX4 54 and 58
    Putter: S.C. GoLo 3
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  • J9293J9293  341WRX Points: 137Members Posts: 341
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    A properly fit G400 Max should beat out a properly fit G410 plus. The max is more forgiving (objectively) and ballspeeds should be the same if you hit both on the sweet spot since the CT and COR have been at their limits already.
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    Driver: [font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Ping G400 Max - HZRDUS Yellow Handcrafted 6.0[/font]
    3 Wood:[font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] Ping G400 - Alta CB[/font]
    Hybrid:[font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] Ping G400 - Alta CB[/font]
    Irons: [font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Bridgestone J40 DPC - LZ 6.0[/font]
    Wedges:[font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] Callaway X-Forged - S300[/font]
    Putter:[font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] Scotty Cameron Red X5[/font]
    Ball:[font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] Titleist Pro V1x[/font]
  • NorbooNorboo  2320WRX Points: 151Handicap: 12Members Posts: 2,320
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    J9293 wrote:


    A properly fit G400 Max should beat out a properly fit G410 plus. The max is more forgiving (objectively) and ballspeeds should be the same if you hit both on the sweet spot since the CT and COR have been at their limits already.




    Any data to support your theory?
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    Driver: Ping G400 Max 10.5 Stock Alta (need shaft fitting)
    Fairway Wood: Ryoma F3 and F5
    Hybrid: TaylorMade M6 4H
    Irons: OnOff Kuro 2015 6 - PW
    Wedge: Cleveland CBX2 50, RTX4 54 and 58
    Putter: S.C. GoLo 3
    Ball: TaylorMade TP5X
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  • sailfishchrissailfishchris Long Island NY 979WRX Points: 188Handicap: 4Members, ClubWRX Posts: 979
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    I thought the G410 was just an improvement on adjustability ...flatter lies and such. It's at 455cc -so just below the 400Max at 460cc. So I would think it's going to be pretty forgiving just based on it's a size Ping has a good track record with previously (G30, G) Full disclosure: I absolutely love my G400 so i won't be upgrading
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    Ping G400 14.5 Tensei Pro Orange 80 TX
    Mizuno JPX 919 Tours 3-PW Super Peening Blue X
    Vokey SM6 raw 52, 56, 60 DGTI-s400
    Ping Redwood/Byron Morgan Proto DH89
    ProV1X / TPX5
    Jones Utility Trouper
  • ORTORT  289WRX Points: 50Handicap: 10Members Posts: 289
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    All this talk has me thinking about going to the next Ping demo day and doing a comparison between my 400max and 410. I do like the adjustability of the 410.....
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  • J13J13 Dad golf Maryland 16018WRX Points: 1,038Handicap: +1.6Members Posts: 16,018
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    410 Plus IMO is better in almost every way. Lower spin, better ball speed, and adjustable weights (leads to better fitting). Max is not a bad club by any means but there's a reason everyone on tour switched out of the max so quickly. I say be a **** and upgrade image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
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    Fairway wood - Under construction
    Irons - Under Construction
    Wedges - Under Construction
    Odyssey Stroke Lab Double Wide Flow Neck
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  • ORTORT  289WRX Points: 50Handicap: 10Members Posts: 289
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    Is it wrong to upgrade when I haven't even had the 400 out on the course yet??? I think I might have a problem.
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  • J13J13 Dad golf Maryland 16018WRX Points: 1,038Handicap: +1.6Members Posts: 16,018
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    ORT wrote:


    Is it wrong to upgrade when I haven't even had the 400 out on the course yet??? I think I might have a problem.




    You're an Eagles fan so you get a free pass. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
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    Fairway wood - Under construction
    Irons - Under Construction
    Wedges - Under Construction
    Odyssey Stroke Lab Double Wide Flow Neck
    Srixon Zstar XV

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  • ORTORT  289WRX Points: 50Handicap: 10Members Posts: 289
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    J13 wrote:
    ORT wrote:


    Is it wrong to upgrade when I haven't even had the 400 out on the course yet??? I think I might have a problem.




    You're an Eagles fan so you get a free pass. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />




    Hahaha, thanks!
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  • Olde MaroonOlde Maroon Playing your old gear  514WRX Points: 203Handicap: PoorMembers Posts: 514
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    J13 wrote:


    410 Plus IMO is better in almost every way. Lower spin, better ball speed, and adjustable weights (leads to better fitting). Max is not a bad club by any means but there's a reason everyone on tour switched out of the max so quickly. I say be a **** and upgrade image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />




    I have no basis for arguing one is better than the other, but the reason tour players switch is almost entirely based on what their sponsor agreements require them to do. You can bet every club manufacturer pays a huge premium to get their players in the newest driver ASAP. Using tour players as a reference is seriously flawed.
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    Ping G400 Max 9* Hzrdus Yellow HC/Callaway Epic 9* GD Tour AD TP
    Cobra F7 3-4w GD Tour AD IZ 7s
    Cobra F7 3h and 4h
    Mizuno JPX-919 Forged 5-PW Project X Catalyst 100cw 6.0
    Callaway MD4 50/54/58 Recoil 110 F4
    Odyssey Tank Cruiser #7 KBS CT Tour shaft and Evnroll Gravity Grip
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