2020 Driver Trackman Data (Taylormade, Callaway, Cobra, Ping,)

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  • molecularmanmolecularman Joplin, MOMembers  180WRX Points: 120Posts: 180 Fairways
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    I asked a straightforward question and was given a condescending non-answer.

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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members  9626WRX Points: 1,593Posts: 9,626 Titanium Tees
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    Man SIM is a low spin monster. I really want to compare SIM 10.5* vs SIM Max 9*. I suspect on center hits the SIM is going to be a bullet machine but maybe over the course of a season, the forgiveness of MAX helps me lower scores a little more.


    JT - Do you have any OG Epic SZ data in your archives? I know it won't be apples to apples but I'm trying to decide if I can justify a fitting and upgrading up to a 2020 driver over my SZ.

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    D - SIM Max | Tour Z Xtreme 475; 4w - SIM Ti | Diamana B 80; 4h - 818H2 | Tensei White 90; Irons - P760 5-PW | Modus 120; GW - Glide 3.0 50/12 | S400 Tour Issue; SW - Glide 3.0 54/12| S400 Tour Issue; LW - Glide 3.0 58/10 | S400 Tour Issue; P - Toulon San Diego or Directed Force 2.1; Ball - TP5 Pix 2.0

    Incoming gear: Speedzone Xtreme 9* Driver,  Speedzone 5w, Speedzone 4i & 5i

  • Krt22Krt22 East BayMembers  9272WRX Points: 2,909Posts: 9,272 Titanium Tees
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    The only condescending response in this entire thread was from you, your question was answered (in detail). Go reread everything said and save the fake outrage for another day.

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  • Pleasedwith3puttsPleasedwith3putts Members  1757WRX Points: 138Posts: 1,757 Platinum Tees
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    Hoping to see data for lower swing speeds. 115mph is still a push for me ..

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  • molecularmanmolecularman Joplin, MOMembers  180WRX Points: 120Posts: 180 Fairways
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    Okay, so let's break it down then.


    I asked: "Regarding the Speedzone, did you have other shafts that helped get the spin a little lower, but perhaps didn't give the best results in terms of dispersion or solid hits?"



    The response:


    "There are always multiple options for every player. Assuming I wanted to play one head in particular, the shaft choice might be completely different than with another head. " That didn't answer the above question. I asked if they tried any other shafts that offered lower spin in the speedzone.



    "The key is making sure you are fit into something that not only allows you to deliver the head consistently to the ball, but also produces excellent launch parameters. " That didn't answer the above question.





    "This is almost never a stock shaft, at stick length, with stock tipping, swingweight, grip, etc. A good stock shaft to me, means something you can sell off for a decent amount once you install the correct option for the player." That doesn't answer the above question, nor does it have anything to do with what I asked.




    I'll go a step farther for you. He could have said "We didn't test any other shafts with the speedzone" "Yes, there were shafts that offered lower spin, but the contact and dispersion wasn't as good" "No, no other shaft we tested spun less"


    Those are examples of actual answers to the question.

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  • getitdailygetitdaily Members  3615WRX Points: 622Handicap: +.5Posts: 3,615 Titanium Tees
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    Perhaps you are not aware..Tollbros is a seller of shafts, tour heads, etc. When you ask specific questions about a shaft they (JT) tends to answer in terms that don't give shaft advice. They have a service where you can pay for shaft advice.

    So pony up the cash and you'll get your answer. Otherwise, you should just post a thread asking about what others have seen in the Cobra...

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  • Krt22Krt22 East BayMembers  9272WRX Points: 2,909Posts: 9,272 Titanium Tees
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    Not only that, but they specifically spell out what the intent of the test as and what occurred.


    From the OP.


    "All drivers will be set up with a custom shaft and fitted specs for each player in the test. The purpose of this test is to compare heads on very well struck shots with shaft product that is fitted to each player. "


    If you read further along. Not only was the shaft the same used for each player, but each was built to the same length/swing-weight and each head was measured such that the face angle and loft was nearly identical, such that the data is purely how the each head performed with all other variables held constant (for the given swing speed).

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  • molecularmanmolecularman Joplin, MOMembers  180WRX Points: 120Posts: 180 Fairways
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    Yeah, I noticed that.


    I wasn't interested in a particular shaft, nor did I ask that they tell me any shafts they used. I'm not trying to get some secret info out of them so I can go out and buy it on my own. It was just a genuine question. But I'll go ahead and claim I'm an idiot and this is above my head.

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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5025WRX Points: 333Posts: 5,025 Titanium Tees
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    If you are sticking with Callaway, the original SZ, Rogue SZ and Maverick SZ are so close I wouldn't see any reason to choose one over the other. If you have an original, stick with it if Callaway is your brand.

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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5025WRX Points: 333Posts: 5,025 Titanium Tees
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    Yes we will put it 110 and 105 over the next 4-5 days as well.

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  • dre72dre72 Members  547WRX Points: 116Handicap: +2.7Posts: 547 Golden Tee
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    I do!

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  • BballMike14BballMike14 Members  98WRX Points: 39Posts: 98 Fairways
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    Me too!

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  • stoneydukesstoneydukes ClubWRX  420WRX Points: 105Handicap: 8-10Posts: 420 ClubWRX
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    For sure

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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members  9626WRX Points: 1,593Posts: 9,626 Titanium Tees
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    Yes

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    D - SIM Max | Tour Z Xtreme 475; 4w - SIM Ti | Diamana B 80; 4h - 818H2 | Tensei White 90; Irons - P760 5-PW | Modus 120; GW - Glide 3.0 50/12 | S400 Tour Issue; SW - Glide 3.0 54/12| S400 Tour Issue; LW - Glide 3.0 58/10 | S400 Tour Issue; P - Toulon San Diego or Directed Force 2.1; Ball - TP5 Pix 2.0

    Incoming gear: Speedzone Xtreme 9* Driver,  Speedzone 5w, Speedzone 4i & 5i

  • nfreda2211nfreda2211 ClubWRX  135WRX Points: 56Handicap: 5Posts: 135 ClubWRX
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    Interested in the 105 data

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  • Cruisin1966Cruisin1966 Calgary, ABClubWRX  1129WRX Points: 313Handicap: 8.8Posts: 1,129 ClubWRX
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    **Retro Bag**
    Driver: Ping G LS Tec 9º
    Fairway: Titleist 915F 3W 15º
    Hybrid: Cobra Baffler Pro 2H 18º
    Irons: Taylormade RAC Forged CB/TP 3-PW
    Wedges: Wilson Staff FG Tour PMP 52º; Nike VR Pro Forged Brushed Oxide Raw 58º
    Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach 1

  • mizuno playermizuno player Mizuno player Members  1693WRX Points: 359Posts: 1,693 Platinum Tees
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    👍.

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  • wcd7548wcd7548 ClubWRX  95WRX Points: 45Posts: 95 ClubWRX
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    Yes, looking forward to seeing 110 and 105 data

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  • bonescubonescu ClubWRX  258WRX Points: 71Posts: 258 ClubWRX
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    Would like to see 105-110 as well

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  • jungwjd7jungwjd7 seattle, WAMembers  61WRX Points: 21Posts: 61 Bunkers
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    yes yes more data

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    Taylormade SIM MAX 10.5 Graphite Design Tour AD VR 6S
    Taylormade SIM MAX D 3W 16 Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 7S
    Taylormade SIM MAX 3H 19 Graphite Design Tour AD DI 85S
    Taylormade 4-P P790 17’ Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 120S
    Callway Mack Daddy 4 48(10), 52(10), 56(10)
    Titlist SM7 60(12)
    Toulon Las Vegas

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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5025WRX Points: 333Posts: 5,025 Titanium Tees
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    Ok great. It just didn't seem to be getting the interest we expected so no reason to continue if nobody cares. Haha. I'll put up the next block early this evening.


    Also everyone remember, online evaluation with purchase is free, and we do sell all major retail brands, do custom builds, and will price match any authorized retailer's non sale pricing.

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  • therealjonzonetherealjonzone Members  2741WRX Points: 340Handicap: 2.9Posts: 2,741 Titanium Tees
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  • SEP1006SEP1006 Pearland, Tx.ClubWRX  1327WRX Points: 346Handicap: 7.6 and trendingPosts: 1,327 ClubWRX
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    I'd like to see the 95 - 100 ss data for us old farts!!!!!!!!!

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    DRIVER -    Taylor Made Sim Max 10.5* | UST Mamiya Attas Cool Stiff
    3 WD -       Taylor Made Sim Max 14.5* | Ventus Blue Stiff 
    HYBRIDS - PXG Gen 2 -  2 / 3 / 4 Hybrids | Accra Tour 90i Stiff
    IRONS -     PXG Gen 3 -  0311XP 5 - GW | Accra Tour 90i Stiff
    WEDGES - Ping Stealth Glide 2.0 54-12 / 58-06 Wedges | Wedge Flex
    GRIPS -      JumboMax XL Ultralight grips on ALL 
    PUTTER -   PXG Gunboat H 
    BAG -         PXG Staff Bag
    BALLS -     Snell MTB Black / Pro V1






  • Cruisin1966Cruisin1966 Calgary, ABClubWRX  1129WRX Points: 313Handicap: 8.8Posts: 1,129 ClubWRX
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    **Retro Bag**
    Driver: Ping G LS Tec 9º
    Fairway: Titleist 915F 3W 15º
    Hybrid: Cobra Baffler Pro 2H 18º
    Irons: Taylormade RAC Forged CB/TP 3-PW
    Wedges: Wilson Staff FG Tour PMP 52º; Nike VR Pro Forged Brushed Oxide Raw 58º
    Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach 1

  • OrangeGravyOrangeGravy WAMembers  1572WRX Points: 372Handicap: $$Posts: 1,572 Platinum Tees
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    How hard is it to understand that each person came into the HEAD test with a shaft that was previously fitted for them to use in each head? Maybe the previously part would help the helpless.

    For the reading impaired, just think of it it terms of each person using their favorite shaft to test these heads. It will lower your blood pressure a bit.

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  • ZAPZAP ClubWRX  1711WRX Points: 252Handicap: 4Posts: 1,711 ClubWRX
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    Great data. Looks like with the right shaft there is not a bad driver out of the bunch.

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  • golfer55082golfer55082 Members  420WRX Points: 77Posts: 420 Greens
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    Excellent data. Thanks! It clearly shows the similar but distinct characteristics of different heads. Very appreciated!

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  • NRJyzrNRJyzr Minnesota, USAMembers  7292WRX Points: 1,356Handicap: 7Posts: 7,292 Titanium Tees
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    Definitely interested. And, not just any block, but all of it. Love this sort of thing.

    A huge Thank You, JT, for everything you're doing. Not just this thread, but overall. <salute>

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    The Ever Changing Bag!

    Driver: Orlimar persimmon, Dynamic S, 43.5"
    3w:  Orlimar persimmon, Dynamic S, 42.5"
    2i:  Mizuno Pro, DGS300
    3-PW:  Mizuno MP-37, DGS300
    GW:  Dynacraft forged 52*, DGS400
    SW:  Wilson Staff PMP 58*
    Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach #1 35"
    Balls: in no particular order... Wilson Staff FG Tour, Duo Professional, or 50 Elite, Srixon ZStar, Snell MTB Black, Vice Pro Lime... will trot out Maxfli HT-100 or Elite 90 from time to time

    Sometimes carry 1-SW Golden Ram Tour Grinds w/Dynamic S or 1-SW Golden Ram TW282, Precision 6.5
    On occasion, Ram 1i or Mizuno 2i replaced with Orlimar persimmon 4w, Dynamic S

    Driver Substitutes: Golden Ram TW801, TW802, or TW805
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