Ping G30 LS Tec Driver

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[quote name='swizbeatz' timestamp='1430244162' post='11459457']
My brother hit my 10.5 LS Rogue 125 once yesterday off a tee, 330 down the pipe. He looked at it funny, said it felt "heavy" off the face, and then we saw it land lol. You can feel the driver is super low spin on good shots, not sure how to describe it though. Longest drive I've ever seen someone hit by about 10 yards on that hole. I'm making him get a fitting but I think I know what the leader in the clubhouse is.
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"You can feel the driver is super low spin on good shots, not sure how to describe it though" I couldn't describe it better - I had exactly the same feeling. It is different but really really nice.

[halfsumo]

[quote name='kyle75' timestamp='1430239494' post='11458847']
What is the moi of the G30 ls tec? I know the regular G30 is around 5000, just curious how much lower the LS Tec is.
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I have read past articles that the G25 was around 5500. The G30 is supposed to be about 5% more. The G30 LS is about 6% less than the regular G30 according to another site. For comparison, I have read that the i25 is about 4800. Everyone can do their own math to see what this means.

Also, of note, Tom Wishon had an article a few months ago discussing MOI and he said his research has concluded that a difference in MOI of less than 1000 is not noticeable by most golfers.

[Rosco1216]

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[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1430192369' post='11456023']
It just doesn't seem much longer than my G25, or i25.

I put the G30 +1 to a 10 deg and with a Tour Green shaft. i25 ball flight but G25 distance.

Ugh... my driving has been off lately. For some reason when I hit irons really well my driving changes. So frustrating...

Time for a lesson.
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I25, g25, g30ls are all very different drivers. The g30ls isnt going to be longest out there but for the longer hitters its a freak on a leash. Basically as forgiving as it gets and still keeping spin down comparable to the other low spinning and much less forgiving heads out there.
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I should say that i was hitting the G30LS with Tour Green shaft.

My G25 is a 9 degree with an Ahina Stiff shaft - the profiles of the two clubs are very identical. The G30 LS is longer, but not for the price of the club.

The i25 is still my go-to driver for now. I may even start looking at Titleist if needed. However, Im going to go through a lesson first and get back to the basics.

I will be buying a G30 hybrid and possibly a G30 3W.
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The G25 and the G30LS are completely different heads with the exception of being very forgiving. The G25 spins much much more than the G30LS. The i25 probably spins similar to the G30LS but isn't as forgiving.

[kyle75]

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[quote name='kyle75' timestamp='1430239494' post='11458847']
What is the moi of the G30 ls tec? I know the regular G30 is around 5000, just curious how much lower the LS Tec is.
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I have read past articles that the G25 was around 5500. The G30 is supposed to be about 5% more. The G30 LS is about 6% less than the regular G30 according to another site. For comparison, I have read that the i25 is about 4800. Everyone can do their own math to see what this means.

Also, of note, Tom Wishon had an article a few months ago discussing MOI and he said his research has concluded that a difference in MOI of less than 1000 is not noticeable by most golfers.
[/quote]Thanks for the info. I'll check out the article by Tom as well

[eldog-in-the-hizouse]

This club is an example of what is great about PING. They say it spins 300-500 rpms less than the G30 and in my testing that is exactly what it does. I thought I loved the G30, what I feel for the G30 LS is real love.

[Kidz2feed]

This is probably more personal, but I switched my 9* head with a 10.5* head. Knowing I had extra loft helped me not try and hit up on the ball which typically can force a "flip" before impact. I was hitting it with the same trajectory, but much more accurately. Think this setup is a keeper.

[JOHN GOLIA]

G30 LS is a great driver.
Very accurate with low spin.
It's a bit loud but not Nike Sq loud or Cobra
S9 loud. But when you hit the BIG Sweet spot
you know it. I can feel the ball compress off the face.
I well have to try the Cotton ball or the yarn.
But maybe not. I kinda like the KaBoom off the
face.

[theothertomjones]

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[quote name='theothertomjones' timestamp='1430192369' post='11456023']
It just doesn't seem much longer than my G25, or i25.

I put the G30 +1 to a 10 deg and with a Tour Green shaft. i25 ball flight but G25 distance.

Ugh... my driving has been off lately. For some reason when I hit irons really well my driving changes. So frustrating...

Time for a lesson.
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I25, g25, g30ls are all very different drivers. The g30ls isnt going to be longest out there but for the longer hitters its a freak on a leash. Basically as forgiving as it gets and still keeping spin down comparable to the other low spinning and much less forgiving heads out there.
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I should say that i was hitting the G30LS with Tour Green shaft.

My G25 is a 9 degree with an Ahina Stiff shaft - the profiles of the two clubs are very identical. The G30 LS is longer, but not for the price of the club.

The i25 is still my go-to driver for now. I may even start looking at Titleist if needed. However, Im going to go through a lesson first and get back to the basics.

I will be buying a G30 hybrid and possibly a G30 3W.
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The G25 and the G30LS are completely different heads with the exception of being very forgiving. The G25 spins much much more than the G30LS. The i25 probably spins similar to the G30LS but isn't as forgiving.
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Im very aware of the differences in the head.

The point that you're missing is that both clubs are very similar when I HIT THEM.

G30 is nearly identical to the G25.
G30 LS has the approximate spin rate of my i25, but is very subject to the flaws of the G driver line. You get wristy with it at all, and the ball pops straight up into the air. Spin rate goes through the roof, carry distance suffers.

Carry distance of my i25 and G25 are roughly the same, or can be identical. Total yardage is different because the trajectory from each club is very different.

G30 LS is just a G25 with a different trajectory (due to spin rate) - more similar to my i25, but my i25 is still longer.

The G30 LS is not worth the cost for any advantages it holds over my G25 or i25. Its not definitively longer, nor any more forgiving, and my setup for that club is about $550.

No thanks. Im going to have to see something much more substantial from Ping that the G30 LS.

[swizbeatz]

I get déjà vu every time you post in this thread.

[BigJerm]

I ordered mine yesterday. 9*, tour 80s, 45" at D3. I hit the tour 65 s and felt good (fitter did not have the tour 80s) but like the idea of a little less torque and heavier shaft. My SS is down the last few years and this will be my first non X flex shaft in 20 years. So I'm hoping this falls somewhere in between a S and X. I'm currently playing the i20 with stock TFC X and it is a little stout unless I really go after it. I thought the 915D3 was going to be the stick for me, but I got much better numbers with the G30 LS.

[surehands79]

[quote name='BigJerm' timestamp='1430419864' post='11474781']
I ordered mine yesterday. 9*, tour 80s, 45" at D3. I hit the tour 65 s and felt good (fitter did not have the tour 80s) but like the idea of a little less torque and heavier shaft. My SS is down the last few years and this will be my first non X flex shaft in 20 years. So I'm hoping this falls somewhere in between a S and X. I'm currently playing the i20 with stock TFC X and it is a little stout unless I really go after it. I thought the 915D3 was going to be the stick for me, but I got much better numbers with the G30 LS.
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what's your speed at? thinking 80s or 80x here...have only hit the 65x and its ok but like heavier shafts...i am around 116mph...

[BlakeBstone]

Dude if you are at 116 you could go 80x tipped a half inch or more

I am around 112 and I play the 65x tipped a half and it's perfect

[BigJerm]

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[quote name='BigJerm' timestamp='1430419864' post='11474781']
I ordered mine yesterday. 9*, tour 80s, 45" at D3. I hit the tour 65 s and felt good (fitter did not have the tour 80s) but like the idea of a little less torque and heavier shaft. My SS is down the last few years and this will be my first non X flex shaft in 20 years. So I'm hoping this falls somewhere in between a S and X. I'm currently playing the i20 with stock TFC X and it is a little stout unless I really go after it. I thought the 915D3 was going to be the stick for me, but I got much better numbers with the G30 LS.
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what's your speed at? thinking 80s or 80x here...have only hit the 65x and its ok but like heavier shafts...i am around 116mph...
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106-108 range. Looking for a little more pop on a controlled swing. I hit the G30 LS yesterday on the launch monitor and it was rolling out to about 285 with the 65s. I thought I read the Tour shafts were tipped from Ping, if so, this should be a good fit for me. I ordered it at 45, I will probably cut it down to 44.5 but I want to hit it before I decide which end to take the 1/2 inch off of.

[onafriday]

I've spent some time comparing the i25 w/ 'ahina to g30lst w/ tour 65 on flight scope.

The numbers are very nearly identical. Very very similar.

Forgiveness edge to g30ls

Looks/sound/feel edge to i25. Having said that, i25 is plenty forgiving.

Both are pretty awesome, imo.

[CallawayKid86]

[quote name='surehands79' timestamp='1430431055' post='11475973']
[quote name='BigJerm' timestamp='1430419864' post='11474781']
I ordered mine yesterday. 9*, tour 80s, 45" at D3. I hit the tour 65 s and felt good (fitter did not have the tour 80s) but like the idea of a little less torque and heavier shaft. My SS is down the last few years and this will be my first non X flex shaft in 20 years. So I'm hoping this falls somewhere in between a S and X. I'm currently playing the i20 with stock TFC X and it is a little stout unless I really go after it. I thought the 915D3 was going to be the stick for me, but I got much better numbers with the G30 LS.
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what's your speed at? thinking 80s or 80x here...have only hit the 65x and its ok but like heavier shafts...i am around 116mph...
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I am right with you on SS. I am using a Tour AD MD Quattrotech 8tx tipped 1/2" more than standard. It is a phenomenal combo. Going to pick up a BB 8x and MJ 8x more than likely to see which of the 3 I like most.

[t4t3r]

Finally hit the LS at a store yesterday. Loved the feel. Only able to try the Tour 65 in stiff and x of which the x gave me better numbers. However, knowing my transition and SS the x is probably a little much for me on a regular basis. Looking forward to picking one up on the BST soon.

[jgripp81]

I too just ordered a AD MJ based on the reviews it's received. Have a rouge 110 silver that doesn't feel the greatest but can't argue with the dispersion and constant distance. Also have a UST GoGo that feels better and is longer a few yards when nutted. Just a little shorter on mishits and a little more wild off the tee. I'm hoping the MJ will be best of both worlds. Also have a few new shafts to try if I want laying around. UST Earth, velox st, 7m3 speeder 8.1, fuel 70ts and a chrome 80. Damn this site and damn eBay.

[DNice26]

Have a fair number of rounds under my belt now and in my opinion, the LST is a pretty fair amount less forgiving than my standard G30. I like it, but you don't get away with as much as you do with the standard model. So far I'm finding that the LST needs to be set in the standard position (I usually keep my standard model in the large minus sign) and it is a bit more challenging to draw. I suppose this all makes sense given the lower spin of the LST. Hit a few bombs with it today.....but also a few stinkers too.

[lefty74pgh]

[quote name='DNice26' timestamp='1430527114' post='11482851']
Have a fair number of rounds under my belt now and in my opinion, the LST is a pretty fair amount less forgiving than my standard G30. I like it, but you don't get away with as much as you do with the standard model. So far I'm finding that the LST needs to be set in the standard position (I usually keep my standard model in the large minus sign) and it is a bit more challenging to draw. I suppose this all makes sense given the lower spin of the LST. Hit a few bombs with it today.....but also a few stinkers too.
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I was at a demo day working with the Ping fitter and he didn't have a LS Tec in left handed, so I was hitting the standard G30. The best I could get on my spin was around 2700 with the Tour 65X. He mentioned multiple times that the LS Tec is a lot less forgiving and thought that I should go with the G30 because of the extra forgiveness.

His analogy was the G30 LS was similar to hitting a blade. When hit in the sweet spot is pure, but when you miss it's punishing.

[Egan101]

The other day, while fitting for the 915D driver, I got to try the G30 LS Tec for the first time. It felt weird for a Ping G driver by not feeling like the usual Ping G driver. Last year, we brought the base G30 for a test and even though I was impressed with the distance but it felt so disconnected with my hands. The G30 LS Tec felt firm and solid though a bit loud on solid strikes. It is long with a mid-high and boring trajectory on stock Asian-spec shafts. Quite impressed!

[ZipinZ]

[size=4][b]Wrong- Wrong - Wrong[/b][/size] - ..... "His analogy was the G30 LS was similar to hitting a blade. When hit in the sweet spot is pure, but when you miss it's punishing."

I missed only one fairway today with my LST when I hit one off the toe ...the left hook still traveled 225+ yds but under a poplar tree, not bad for a miss hit, imo more than forgiving and the distance wasn't as punishing in comparison to my old SLDR 430 or even my 913 D3.

D.

[evanseze]

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[size=4][b]Wrong- Wrong - Wrong[/b][/size] - ..... "His analogy was the G30 LS was similar to hitting a blade. When hit in the sweet spot is pure, but when you miss it's punishing."

I missed only one fairway today with my LST when I hit one off the toe ...the left hook still traveled 225+ yds but under a poplar tree, not bad for a miss hit, imo more than forgiving and the distance wasn't as punishing in comparison to my old SLDR 430 or even my 913 D3.

D.
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I would agree with you....anyone that says the G30 LS is punishing, probably needs some serious swing help. I have both G30 drivers, and with the same shaft, the forgiveness factor favors the standard G30 ever so slightly........which still makes the LS one of the most forgiving drivers on the market.

[DNice26]

[quote name='evanseze' timestamp='1430539408' post='11484317'][quote name='Whats-it-too-ya' timestamp='1430532518' post='11483625']
[size=4][b]Wrong- Wrong - Wrong[/b][/size] - ..... "His analogy was the G30 LS was similar to hitting a blade. When hit in the sweet spot is pure, but when you miss it's punishing."

I missed only one fairway today with my LST when I hit one off the toe ...the left hook still traveled 225+ yds but under a poplar tree, not bad for a miss hit, imo more than forgiving and the distance wasn't as punishing in comparison to my old SLDR 430 or even my 913 D3.

D.
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I would agree with you....anyone that says the G30 LS is punishing, probably needs some serious swing help. I have both G30 drivers, and with the same shaft, the forgiveness factor favors the standard G30 ever so slightly........which still makes the LS one of the most forgiving drivers on the market.[/quote]

Yeah, don't think I agree with the blade comparison comment and my feedback was solely based on the LST forgiveness relative to the standard G30. I also have the exact same shafts (AD DI 7X and Oban Kiyoshi white) for both heads and played the standard G30 all of last year. I'm a one handicap, so my opinion isn't linked to a swing defect. I never had my G30 or LST digitally lofted, so I wonder if the true lofts are actually close to the 10.5 stamped lofts and how similar my heads are to each other. I also tend to be a fairly low spin striker with the driver as I have a very positive angle of attack. Perhaps the LST is just spinning too little for me. I hope to jump on a launch monitor in the next week to do a shoot out of sorts. Everyone's mileage may vary, so demo, demo, demo. Cheers, D

[Qegurezi]

[quote name='DNice26' timestamp='1430527114' post='11482851']
Have a fair number of rounds under my belt now and in my opinion, the LST is a pretty fair amount less forgiving than my standard G30. I like it, but you don't get away with as much as you do with the standard model. So far I'm finding that the LST needs to be set in the standard position (I usually keep my standard model in the large minus sign) and it is a bit more challenging to draw. I suppose this all makes sense given the lower spin of the LST. Hit a few bombs with it today.....but also a few stinkers too.
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[quote name='lefty74pgh' timestamp='1430529437' post='11483155']
[quote name='DNice26' timestamp='1430527114' post='11482851']
Have a fair number of rounds under my belt now and in my opinion, the LST is a pretty fair amount less forgiving than my standard G30. I like it, but you don't get away with as much as you do with the standard model. So far I'm finding that the LST needs to be set in the standard position (I usually keep my standard model in the large minus sign) and it is a bit more challenging to draw. I suppose this all makes sense given the lower spin of the LST. Hit a few bombs with it today.....but also a few stinkers too.
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His analogy was the G30 LS was similar to hitting a blade. When hit in the sweet spot is pure, but when you miss it's punishing.
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Sorry to harp on about it but i'd be avoiding that fitter as that's an absolute load of crap.

[dpb5031]

If the LS TEC is so unforgiving and difficult I can't see how anyone can handle the TM SLDR, which is low spinning and even lower MOI.

Curious also that so many Ping staffers choose the regular G30 over the LS TEC, when so many tour pros liked the SLDR.

[BlakeBstone]

It's been discussed pretty heavily.

The staffers have an unlimited resource when it comes to shafts, heads, hotmelt ect. So the need for them to get the ls tec is negatied because they can get lower spin thru the tour rep fitting process. Which obviously the Avg Joe doesn't get

[BlkNGld]

From being at the match play yesterday, I can tell you Oosthuizen uses one. Not as certain about shaft, but I think he may have PX LZ shaft in his.

[mizuno player]

What shaft are most of you LS guys using? I didn't like the tour shaft so I went with the stock X tipped. It was spinning 28-3100 and launching 15-17* with stock X on monitor. Still get good distance and dispersion but into wind is bad. Mine was 9* digitally lofted.

My thought was Kuro Kage Tour edition or XT. 108-113 med to hard transition. Anyone try this combo?

[evanseze]

I am using a Veylix Rome 688x in my LS. great feel, low launch, and low spin. I am definitely getting more roll out with the LS vs my standard G30
(both digitally lofted to 9*).

[ZipinZ]

[quote name='BlkNGld' timestamp='1430684671' post='11491241']
From being at the match play yesterday, I can tell you Oosthuizen uses one. Not as certain about shaft, but I think he may have PX LZ shaft in his.
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[b]From the Ping Website - Staff List .... Louis O's club/specs. [/b][list]
[*][b][url="http://www.ping.com/clubs/driversdetail.aspx?id=18340"]G30 LS Tec [10.5°@10°] -0.6° setting, Grafalloy Project X 6.5 Proto, tipped 1", 45", D4, Tour Velvet 58 Round grip[/url][/b]
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