Justin Rose to Honma

[OldTomMorris]

Every year this happens and people talk about money as if there's a tremendous amount being thrown around in these deals, but no one ever seems to know the numbers. Does anyone actually know the figures involved here? I always feel like we overestimate the value of these deals.

 

Pat Perez talked about this recently, might if been Ryan Palmer can't remember. Either way he said it's best to just play what you like and get tournament results. You can make the same amount in a good finish or two, why risk results being forced to play something.

 

I recently read the Ryan Palmer Q&A where he talks club contracts, figures are mentioned:

http://www.golfwrx.c...pment-contract/

 

The numbers that Ryan Palmer gets offered compared to what Justin Rose gets offered are in different stratosphere's.

 

Of course but equally the numbers Rose will be getting won't be near Woods and Rory either. Many levels, its an interesting reference point to see what a player like Ryan Palmer is offered.

[delmer]

Every year this happens and people talk about money as if there's a tremendous amount being thrown around in these deals, but no one ever seems to know the numbers. Does anyone actually know the figures involved here? I always feel like we overestimate the value of these deals.

 

Pat Perez talked about this recently, might if been Ryan Palmer can't remember. Either way he said it's best to just play what you like and get tournament results. You can make the same amount in a good finish or two, why risk results being forced to play something.

 

I recently read the Ryan Palmer Q&A where he talks club contracts, figures are mentioned:

http://www.golfwrx.c...pment-contract/

 

The numbers that Ryan Palmer gets offered compared to what Justin Rose gets offered are in different stratosphere's.

 

Of course but equally the numbers Rose will be getting won't be near Woods and Rory either. Many levels, its an interesting reference point to see what a player like Ryan Palmer is offered.

 

Rose will probably be in the top 5 highest paid in terms of off course money. He'll (Rose) probably get around $15M/year so he's a lot closer to apples to apples with Rory than Ryan Palmer is with him.

[GolfChannel]

I have the Tour World 440 driver and the Tour World Forged lob wedge bent to 62 degrees.

 

Both very welcome additions to the bag.

[OldTomMorris]

Rose will probably be in the top 5 highest paid in terms of off course money. He'll (Rose) probably get around $15M/year so he's a lot closer to apples to apples with Rory than Ryan Palmer is with him.

 

Sure, for me its guess work I have no definitive insight.

 

I'd imagine Rory, Phil, Tiger and Spieth are out in front with a collection behind them that includes Rose as well as DJ, Kopeka, Fowler, JT etc. to name a few.

[delmer]

Rose will probably be in the top 5 highest paid in terms of off course money. He'll (Rose) probably get around $15M/year so he's a lot closer to apples to apples with Rory than Ryan Palmer is with him.

 

Sure, for me its guess work I have no definitive insight.

 

I'd imagine Rory, Phil, Tiger and Spieth are out in front with a collection behind them that includes Rose as well as DJ, Kopeka, Fowler, JT etc. to name a few.

 

And way down that list in a different universe is Ryan Palmer.

 

I like how these celebrity net worth sites just put whatever they want for numbers. wikinetworth has Brooks Koepka's net worth at $8 as of the end of August. I think he's at $23M in just tournament earnings alone.

[DFS PFD]

Rose will probably be in the top 5 highest paid in terms of off course money. He'll (Rose) probably get around $15M/year so he's a lot closer to apples to apples with Rory than Ryan Palmer is with him.

 

Sure, for me its guess work I have no definitive insight.

 

I'd imagine Rory, Phil, Tiger and Spieth are out in front with a collection behind them that includes Rose as well as DJ, Kopeka, Fowler, JT etc. to name a few.

 

And way down that list in a different universe is Ryan Palmer.

 

I like how these celebrity net worth sites just put whatever they want for numbers. wikinetworth has Brooks Koepka's net worth at $8 as of the end of August. I think he's at $23M in just tournament earnings alone.

That does not mean he's worth 23M today in assets.

[YoureStillAway1]

Every year this happens and people talk about money as if there's a tremendous amount being thrown around in these deals, but no one ever seems to know the numbers. Does anyone actually know the figures involved here? I always feel like we overestimate the value of these deals.

 

Pat Perez talked about this recently, might if been Ryan Palmer can't remember. Either way he said it's best to just play what you like and get tournament results. You can make the same amount in a good finish or two, why risk results being forced to play something.

 

I recently read the Ryan Palmer Q&A where he talks club contracts, figures are mentioned:

http://www.golfwrx.c...pment-contract/

 

The numbers that Ryan Palmer gets offered compared to what Justin Rose gets offered are in different stratosphere's.

 

Of course but equally the numbers Rose will be getting won't be near Woods and Rory either. Many levels, its an interesting reference point to see what a player like Ryan Palmer is offered.

 

I don't know, Rose has to be getting stupid money from Honma. They have deep pockets.

[delmer]

Rose will probably be in the top 5 highest paid in terms of off course money. He'll (Rose) probably get around $15M/year so he's a lot closer to apples to apples with Rory than Ryan Palmer is with him.

 

Sure, for me its guess work I have no definitive insight.

 

I'd imagine Rory, Phil, Tiger and Spieth are out in front with a collection behind them that includes Rose as well as DJ, Kopeka, Fowler, JT etc. to name a few.

 

And way down that list in a different universe is Ryan Palmer.

 

I like how these celebrity net worth sites just put whatever they want for numbers. wikinetworth has Brooks Koepka's net worth at $8 as of the end of August. I think he's at $23M in just tournament earnings alone.

That does not mean he's worth 23M today in assets.

 

Plus endorsements he's probably made conservatively $50M. I didn't say he's worth $23M, although he's probably worth more than 23, I pointed out how comical it is that they have him listed at $8M for net worth.

[swgolf12]

I think people are underestimating Rose's value. Olympic Gold Medalist, #1 in the world, top 10 machine, plus an overall well liked guy. Other than his missed cuts early as a pro you really can't say a bad thing about the guy, and even that isn't anything against him as a person. He's a perfect brand ambassador and it would make sense that he would get as close to Tiger or Rory money as anyone would given everything going on with this move.

[zeke66]

I don’t think Honma has a ton of money to throw around. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. I imagine it’s a great opportunity for both sides assuming Rose continues to play well. Will be interesting to see what products they make for him and what gets released.

[dunn]

 

 

Maybe he really likes the clubs?

 

Ok what if your going through a slump mid year and want to look down at a completely different club or another oem comes out with something great? Not worth giving it up for what Honma would be paying Rose.

 

I play a lot of golf with the SVP of Marketing for one of the OEMs and we talk about these things constantly less the specific numbers and people. It's more involved than just the clubs and probably the biggest part of a deal, especially for a guy with a family, is how many non-tournament events they are obligated to attend/host and how many commercials they have to shoot. The direction of the company including their approach to innovation is also something to consider.

 

Obviously there needs to be a comfort level with the equipment itself but you also need to consider that a guy like Rose who plays a very worldwide schedule and has a family needs to protect his time as much as anything.

 

I think one of the reasons we've seen DJ play at such a high level for so many years in a row is he isn't sponsored by a million different companies so he has a lot more time to either focus on golf or decompress. It may not seem like much but when you're trying to compete at the highest level and you have three extra sponsors that require 3-5 days of commitments that's a dozen days that you don't have to do what you need to do.

 

Finally a reason I would personally shy away from Taylormade is their never-ending short product cycles. I know they say a guy like Rose can play whatever TM product he wants but there is pressure there to keep playing the new releases and that has to get annoying.

their product cycles arent that short anymore.....not huge fan of TM but their drivers and fwys are on par with everyone else it seems...

[dunn]

Just bought a honma tw 737 455 driver today and took it out for 15 holes....seems as good as anything on first day

 

Glued hosel (big plus) and feel of head is better than I've hit in long long time...(910 probably being last one).....distance seems to be on par with anything else on first day

[dunn]

Would say rose has to be close to rory or tiger....

 

 

Heck if it was my company I would bet on Rose finishing better than either of em... tiger has the needle, rory doesnt...or DJ, Spieth, Day.......they're all as good as their last season (tiger is all alone at top regardless of his finishes which from what hes accomplished rightly so)

 

ROSE is an outstanding ambassador for your brand....#1 and usually finishes top 10....polite, quiet and gets it done.....

 

Couldn't think of a better name for a brand

 

Honma already has a solid muscleback... just matter if tweaking it for him and maybe he already likes it way it is

 

I've hit their players tw727 cb and it was as good as anything else and felt great

[grm24]

Maybe he really likes the clubs?

 

Ok what if your going through a slump mid year and want to look down at a completely different club or another oem comes out with something great? Not worth giving it up for what Honma would be paying Rose.

 

I play a lot of golf with the SVP of Marketing for one of the OEMs and we talk about these things constantly less the specific numbers and people. It's more involved than just the clubs and probably the biggest part of a deal, especially for a guy with a family, is how many non-tournament events they are obligated to attend/host and how many commercials they have to shoot. The direction of the company including their approach to innovation is also something to consider.

 

Obviously there needs to be a comfort level with the equipment itself but you also need to consider that a guy like Rose who plays a very worldwide schedule and has a family needs to protect his time as much as anything.

 

I think one of the reasons we've seen DJ play at such a high level for so many years in a row is he isn't sponsored by a million different companies so he has a lot more time to either focus on golf or decompress. It may not seem like much but when you're trying to compete at the highest level and you have three extra sponsors that require 3-5 days of commitments that's a dozen days that you don't have to do what you need to do.

 

Finally a reason I would personally shy away from Taylormade is their never-ending short product cycles. I know they say a guy like Rose can play whatever TM product he wants but there is pressure there to keep playing the new releases and that has to get annoying.

their product cycles arent that short anymore.....not huge fan of TM but their drivers and fwys are on par with everyone else it seems...

Correct. People here (some out of touch and new wrx members) love to continually whine about the old TM product cycles while conveniently ignoring Callaway was right there or above TM with them in churning product. Fortunes change quickly in all industries. It wasn't that long ago that Callaway was thought to be dead in the water and ready to be bought out by another OEM, Many people here have short memories.

[GolfChannel]

I am assuming thanks to this thread, I magically got a driver and lob wedge from Honma mailed to my house (thanks WRX), kind of creepy, but also very awesome. I’ve been using the TW440 for about a month now. If you have followed me on the forums, you know Driver is my bogey club (often quite literally).

 

The shape of the club is very old school. I said it earlier, it reminds me of an old Titleist driver. While it is loud, like metallic loud, when you stripe one it is a very satisfying sound.

 

The club is anti-left. You can baby draw it, but it mainly wants to go straight or right. If you are a hooker I recommend you give one a try. My miss is a low left hook (starting lessons next month, thanks Christmas).

 

For me Driver is now a weapon. It’s on par in terms of control as my fairway woods. I hit it 20 yards farther than my 2017 TM M-1. So to go from an average driving distance of 255 to 276 quite literally changes the game for me.

 

The TW Forged lob wedge is amazing and soft. If you took the branding off the club I would have assumed it was a Mizuno given how buttery it feels.

 

 

 

[Holy Moses]

Rose will probably be in the top 5 highest paid in terms of off course money. He'll (Rose) probably get around $15M/year so he's a lot closer to apples to apples with Rory than Ryan Palmer is with him.

 

Sure, for me its guess work I have no definitive insight.

 

I'd imagine Rory, Phil, Tiger and Spieth are out in front with a collection behind them that includes Rose as well as DJ, Kopeka, Fowler, JT etc. to name a few.

 

I thought Rickie would be making more than Rose off course

[the bishop]

Would say rose has to be close to rory or tiger....

 

 

Heck if it was my company I would bet on Rose finishing better than either of em... tiger has the needle, rory doesnt...or DJ, Spieth, Day.......they're all as good as their last season (tiger is all alone at top regardless of his finishes which from what hes accomplished rightly so)

 

ROSE is an outstanding ambassador for your brand....#1 and usually finishes top 10....polite, quiet and gets it done.....

 

Couldn't think of a better name for a brand

 

Honma already has a solid muscleback... just matter if tweaking it for him and maybe he already likes it way it is

 

I've hit their players tw727 cb and it was as good as anything else and felt great

Rose is a fantastic brand ambassador and a terrific first signing as Honma forays into the US market. I think of him almost in an Adam Scott sort of way. Adam famously plays a set of Titleist irons many generations old, but there's not a better ambassador for a brand than him. Polite and a thorough professional. I look at Rose in the same way except that he consistently plays at a higher level these days.

[delmer]

Maybe he really likes the clubs?

 

Ok what if your going through a slump mid year and want to look down at a completely different club or another oem comes out with something great? Not worth giving it up for what Honma would be paying Rose.

 

I play a lot of golf with the SVP of Marketing for one of the OEMs and we talk about these things constantly less the specific numbers and people. It's more involved than just the clubs and probably the biggest part of a deal, especially for a guy with a family, is how many non-tournament events they are obligated to attend/host and how many commercials they have to shoot. The direction of the company including their approach to innovation is also something to consider.

 

Obviously there needs to be a comfort level with the equipment itself but you also need to consider that a guy like Rose who plays a very worldwide schedule and has a family needs to protect his time as much as anything.

 

I think one of the reasons we've seen DJ play at such a high level for so many years in a row is he isn't sponsored by a million different companies so he has a lot more time to either focus on golf or decompress. It may not seem like much but when you're trying to compete at the highest level and you have three extra sponsors that require 3-5 days of commitments that's a dozen days that you don't have to do what you need to do.

 

Finally a reason I would personally shy away from Taylormade is their never-ending short product cycles. I know they say a guy like Rose can play whatever TM product he wants but there is pressure there to keep playing the new releases and that has to get annoying.

their product cycles arent that short anymore.....not huge fan of TM but their drivers and fwys are on par with everyone else it seems...

Correct. People here (some out of touch and new wrx members) love to continually whine about the old TM product cycles while conveniently ignoring Callaway was right there or above TM with them in churning product. Fortunes change quickly in all industries. It wasn't that long ago that Callaway was thought to be dead in the water and ready to be bought out by another OEM, Many people here have short memories.

 

Am I missing something? When was the last year Taylormade didn't release at least two new drivers?

 

I love that I'm a newbie so I don't know anything about Taylormade or Callaway. I had no idea we were talking about Callaway but I may be wrong because I'm a newbie.

[Holy Moses]

Am I missing something? When was the last year Taylormade didn't release at least two new drivers?

 

I love that I'm a newbie so I don't know anything about Taylormade or Callaway. I had no idea we were talking about Callaway but I may be wrong because I'm a newbie.

 

TaylorMade has cut down on their releases a bit. Yeah, they're going to release two every year but that's little fewer than what they were doing a few years ago.

[JustinD]

It will be interesting to see if he will play the Honma ball as well.

[Holy Moses]

It will be interesting to see if he will play the Honma ball as well.

 

It has been reported that he won't, but I guess we'll find out int he next couple of weeks. Is Rose starting his 2019 schedule on the PGA Tour at Torrey Pines or on the European Tour?

[dunn]

I am assuming thanks to this thread, I magically got a driver and lob wedge from Honma mailed to my house (thanks WRX), kind of creepy, but also very awesome. I’ve been using the TW440 for about a month now. If you have followed me on the forums, you know Driver is my bogey club (often quite literally).

 

The shape of the club is very old school. I said it earlier, it reminds me of an old Titleist driver. While it is loud, like metallic loud, when you stripe one it is a very satisfying sound.

 

The club is anti-left. You can baby draw it, but it mainly wants to go straight or right. If you are a hooker I recommend you give one a try. My miss is a low left hook (starting lessons next month, thanks Christmas).

 

For me Driver is now a weapon. It’s on par in terms of control as my fairway woods. I hit it 20 yards farther than my 2017 TM M-1. So to go from an average driving distance of 255 to 276 quite literally changes the game for me.

 

The TW Forged lob wedge is amazing and soft. If you took the branding off the club I would have assumed it was a Mizuno given how buttery it feels.

 

 

 

I just bought a TW 737 455 driver and feel is totally old school....it goes good just bit too heavy with pencil grip it feels like....vizard shaft feels fine just have to get balance right.....head has amazing shape and ballflight is higher and as long as anything....glued hodel has different feel for sure I believe

 

And yes I have to yet to snap hook this model but give it few more times as I've been able to snap almost anything left.....so far high blocks to the right when I was swinging for draw

[Mclancy94]

Just picked up the TW737V irons in 5-10 and was blown away with them! Can’t find anything I don’t like about them! With the drivers on sale right now I am considering picking one up especially if it’s anti-left!

[Holy Moses]

Wow, he’s going to play Honma drivers, irons, and wedges.

 

“Company spokesman John Kawaja indicated that Rose is expected to play a Honma driver, forged irons and wedges. Rose, 38, is scheduled to start his year at the Desert Classic in Palm Springs, Jan. 17-20. Kawaja said that although the set makeup is not yet confirmed, Rose is under contract to play 10 Honma clubs. He said those clubs are likely to feature versions of models introduced late in 2018 in Japan. That group is expected to include the T//World TW747 driver; a prototype version of the forged cavity back T//World TW747 V in the 4- through 6-iron; and a prototype T//World 747 “Justin Rose” forged muscleback iron in the 7-iron through 9-iron. Rose also is expected to play custom prototype versions of the T//World TW forged wedges (47, 56 and 60 degrees).“

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/justin-rose-signs-with-honma-multi-year-10-club-deal-could-include-driver-irons-wedges

[Lesmond]

I guess his fairways will still be TM?

 

Good luck to Rose. Can’t wait to see his WITB pics.

[Smitty120]

As I am sure most of you saw..

[Holy Moses]

Is Morgan Stanley a new sponsor also? Surprised Honma isn’t a hat sponsor.

[radiman]

Am I missing something? When was the last year Taylormade didn't release at least two new drivers?

 

I love that I'm a newbie so I don't know anything about Taylormade or Callaway. I had no idea we were talking about Callaway but I may be wrong because I'm a newbie.

 

TaylorMade has cut down on their releases a bit. Yeah, they're going to release two every year but that's little fewer than what they were doing a few years ago.

 

Two different drivers a year is almost the standard now. Titleist has two models, Ping has 4. Granted their cycles run a little longer. What major OEM isn't releasing multiple versions?

[Lesmond]

Is Morgan Stanley a new sponsor also? Surprised Honma isnt a hat sponsor.

 

Their logos will be on the side of the hat.

 

I think it’s in that golf digest article that mentions that.

[JonnyKrasnodar]

Is Morgan Stanley a new sponsor also? Surprised Honma isn’t a hat sponsor.

 

I think it’s in that golf digest article that mentions that.

 

It is indeed, honma will be either side of the hats. Fascinating that he's signed for ten clubs though another article points out he's been testing Honma gear since early July. He's obviously been told early on that his Taylormade deal would not be renewed.

 

Is he staying with Adidas' adipure range for the time being? I'm sure I read somewhere that he had been working on a clothing range with them right through 2017 to establish the brand for the "mature" golfer.

 

Driver too... shows that it's all much of s muchness really in terms of performance.

 

Any ideas on who the other PGA Tour player to sign will be?