the tour needs to fix the caddie pay issue

[Hawkeye77]

According to my CPA wife, tour pros are not independent contractors, they are self employed. Caddies are employees, and their pay is entirely based on agreement between the employer and employee, just like any other job. Unless the caddies, ALL of the caddies, decided to form a union, there is no practical way to mandate a pay scale. The guys with top bags make more money than the guys Rangers referred to who hang around parking lots, which is pretty much how the world works.

 

What? If they are employees she is telling you they are employees of themselves? They are not employees of the player, and would get a 1099 of some kind because

[Hawkeye77]

According to my CPA wife, tour pros are not independent contractors, they are self employed. Caddies are employees, and their pay is entirely based on agreement between the employer and employee, just like any other job. Unless the caddies, ALL of the caddies, decided to form a union, there is no practical way to mandate a pay scale. The guys with top bags make more money than the guys Rangers referred to who hang around parking lots, which is pretty much how the world works.

 

You can be self-employed and still be an independent contractor.

 

If Tour caddies aren't paying self-employment taxes that would be very surprising.

[Krt22]

What if the tour acted as a moderator to ensure any deals made were documented prior to the event to stop this from happening in the future... most people are saying that the tour pros will learn from this, i believe that fill in caddies will also learn and speak up i they feel they have been taken advantage of.

 

By the way... great conversation going on here... nice to see it didn't get locked up... at least yet anyway.

 

They could just as easily write in rules that LIMIT how much fill in caddies get, given they don't do nearly as much or have as many expenses as a full time traveling caddie. Why should a resort caddie get the full 10% of a win when he doesn't have any real over-head? This is why the deals should remain between the player and the caddie, given the caddie's are independent contractors. No one is forcing them to get on the bag, if they don't like what the player is offering, the player can simply find someone else who does.

 

It's a double edged sword whenever virtue and righteousness start getting intertwined with private business transactions

[Hawkeye77]

What if the tour acted as a moderator to ensure any deals made were documented prior to the event to stop this from happening in the future... most people are saying that the tour pros will learn from this, i believe that fill in caddies will also learn and speak up i they feel they have been taken advantage of.

 

By the way... great conversation going on here... nice to see it didn't get locked up... at least yet anyway.

 

Again why? You keep it going, but really, there is nothing the Tour needs to "fix". And the Tour is not going to be a moderator or give a rip or take responsibility for or about a deal being documented under the laws of Mexico or China or Scotland, etc.

[Hawkeye77]

What if the tour acted as a moderator to ensure any deals made were documented prior to the event to stop this from happening in the future... most people are saying that the tour pros will learn from this, i believe that fill in caddies will also learn and speak up i they feel they have been taken advantage of.

 

By the way... great conversation going on here... nice to see it didn't get locked up... at least yet anyway.

 

They could just as easily write in rules that LIMIT how much fill in caddies get, given they don't do nearly as much or have as many expenses as a full time traveling caddie. Why should a resort caddie get the full 10% of a win when he doesn't have any real over-head? This is why the deals should remain between the player and the caddie, given the caddie's are independent contractors. No one is forcing them to get on the bag, if they don't like what the player is offering, the player can simply find someone else who does.

 

It's a double edged sword whenever virtue and righteousness start getting intertwined with private business transactions

 

Actually, no the Tour couldn't impose a rule (that would be enforceable) limiting what a caddie could earn.

[cliffhanger]

What if the tour acted as a moderator to ensure any deals made were documented prior to the event to stop this from happening in the future... most people are saying that the tour pros will learn from this, i believe that fill in caddies will also learn and speak up i they feel they have been taken advantage of.

 

By the way... great conversation going on here... nice to see it didn't get locked up... at least yet anyway.

 

Again why? You keep it going, but really, there is nothing the Tour needs to "fix". And the Tour is not going to be a moderator or give a rip or take responsibility for or about a deal being documented under the laws of Mexico or China or Scotland, etc.

i think the why is very clear. A person’s reputation was tarnished this past week. Because nothing more than a discussion was held prior to the event, the outcome was less favourable even though the golfer won the event. There is an obvious gap here that should be addressed. The point of the conversation was to discuss the real issue at hand and not to bash anyone on either side. The real issue being a lack of documentation or a standard prior to the event taking place. There could be many ways that this can be resolved and some include only the player and the caddie. However to say that nothing needs to be done implies that we will accept this as an outcome again in the future.

[Hawkeye77]

What if the tour acted as a moderator to ensure any deals made were documented prior to the event to stop this from happening in the future... most people are saying that the tour pros will learn from this, i believe that fill in caddies will also learn and speak up i they feel they have been taken advantage of.

 

By the way... great conversation going on here... nice to see it didn't get locked up... at least yet anyway.

 

Again why? You keep it going, but really, there is nothing the Tour needs to "fix". And the Tour is not going to be a moderator or give a rip or take responsibility for or about a deal being documented under the laws of Mexico or China or Scotland, etc.

i think the why is very clear. A person's reputation was tarnished this past week. Because nothing more than a discussion was held prior to the event, the outcome was less favourable even though the golfer won the event. There is an obvious gap here that should be addressed. The point of the conversation was to discuss the real issue at hand and not to bash anyone on either side. The real issue being a lack of documentation or a standard prior to the event taking place. There could be many ways that this can be resolved and some include only the player and the caddie. However to say that nothing needs to be done implies that we will accept this as an outcome again in the future.

 

Just a knee jerk reaction to one situation.

[CasualLie]

Take it to change.org

 

That will fix it ...

[playar32]

What if the tour acted as a moderator to ensure any deals made were documented prior to the event to stop this from happening in the future... most people are saying that the tour pros will learn from this, i believe that fill in caddies will also learn and speak up i they feel they have been taken advantage of.

 

By the way... great conversation going on here... nice to see it didn't get locked up... at least yet anyway.

 

Again why? You keep it going, but really, there is nothing the Tour needs to "fix". And the Tour is not going to be a moderator or give a rip or take responsibility for or about a deal being documented under the laws of Mexico or China or Scotland, etc.

i think the why is very clear. A person's reputation was tarnished this past week. Because nothing more than a discussion was held prior to the event, the outcome was less favourable even though the golfer won the event. There is an obvious gap here that should be addressed. The point of the conversation was to discuss the real issue at hand and not to bash anyone on either side. The real issue being a lack of documentation or a standard prior to the event taking place. There could be many ways that this can be resolved and some include only the player and the caddie. However to say that nothing needs to be done implies that we will accept this as an outcome again in the future.

 

Just a knee jerk reaction to one situation.

 

Exactly. I don't believe the issue is even that both sides are disagreeing on the arrangement; just that it should have been adjusted due to the outcome.

 

Which, actually, is a form a price gauging. I definitely agree that after the win Kuchar should have paid him more, but I also agree it's not necessary wrong that he paid what was agree, plus a little extra. I mean, does everyone get to do that now. Can the hotel that Kuchar said at up charge him when he checks out because they need their cut too?

 

I think everyone here is overlooking how that you can't tell anyone else how to spend their money.

[cliffhanger]

What if the tour acted as a moderator to ensure any deals made were documented prior to the event to stop this from happening in the future... most people are saying that the tour pros will learn from this, i believe that fill in caddies will also learn and speak up i they feel they have been taken advantage of.

 

By the way... great conversation going on here... nice to see it didn't get locked up... at least yet anyway.

 

Again why? You keep it going, but really, there is nothing the Tour needs to "fix". And the Tour is not going to be a moderator or give a rip or take responsibility for or about a deal being documented under the laws of Mexico or China or Scotland, etc.

i think the why is very clear. A person's reputation was tarnished this past week. Because nothing more than a discussion was held prior to the event, the outcome was less favourable even though the golfer won the event. There is an obvious gap here that should be addressed. The point of the conversation was to discuss the real issue at hand and not to bash anyone on either side. The real issue being a lack of documentation or a standard prior to the event taking place. There could be many ways that this can be resolved and some include only the player and the caddie. However to say that nothing needs to be done implies that we will accept this as an outcome again in the future.

 

Just a knee jerk reaction to one situation.

i would disagree because this reaches a lot further than just professional golf. Disagreements occur everyday outside of golf when subcontractors are hired on to perform a job without a contract in place. why would this be any different.

[dropkicked]

Truly believe that after recent events, this won't be an issue moving forward.

Lessons learned for all.

[Hawkeye77]

What if the tour acted as a moderator to ensure any deals made were documented prior to the event to stop this from happening in the future... most people are saying that the tour pros will learn from this, i believe that fill in caddies will also learn and speak up i they feel they have been taken advantage of.

 

By the way... great conversation going on here... nice to see it didn't get locked up... at least yet anyway.

 

Again why? You keep it going, but really, there is nothing the Tour needs to "fix". And the Tour is not going to be a moderator or give a rip or take responsibility for or about a deal being documented under the laws of Mexico or China or Scotland, etc.

i think the why is very clear. A person's reputation was tarnished this past week. Because nothing more than a discussion was held prior to the event, the outcome was less favourable even though the golfer won the event. There is an obvious gap here that should be addressed. The point of the conversation was to discuss the real issue at hand and not to bash anyone on either side. The real issue being a lack of documentation or a standard prior to the event taking place. There could be many ways that this can be resolved and some include only the player and the caddie. However to say that nothing needs to be done implies that we will accept this as an outcome again in the future.

 

Just a knee jerk reaction to one situation.

i would disagree because this reaches a lot further than just professional golf. Disagreements occur everyday outside of golf when subcontractors are hired on to perform a job without a contract in place. why would this be any different.

 

It has no reach beyond professional golf. Every day disagreements outside golf have nothing to do with caddies working for Tour pros. Really stretching at this point.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Is the alleged need for this being driven by the generation whose parents planned all the activities for their kids?

[PingGuy68]

Is the alleged need for this being driven by the generation whose parents planned all the activities for their kids?

 

+1

Let's make sure all the players get the same pay, and the same number of fans go to each tournament, and all courses charge the same, and all ranges use new balls. Hey, where's my new Porsche? Why am I driving a civic? Why do the Patriots keep winning? Let's give each team a ring. Come on........

[MtlJeff]

Is the alleged need for this being driven by the generation whose parents planned all the activities for their kids?

 

FWIW I don't really think any of this is necessary. But my suggestions were only if the tour or others genuinely thought they had a caddy issue.

 

I'd have no problem with the tour saying caddy use is at the choice of the player (go solo if you want) and allow the players to use NDA's if they want

[GoGoErky]

Is the alleged need for this being driven by the generation whose parents planned all the activities for their kids?

 

FWIW I don't really think any of this is necessary. But my suggestions were only if the tour or others genuinely thought they had a caddy issue.

 

I'd have no problem with the tour saying caddy use is at the choice of the player (go solo if you want) and allow the players to use NDA's if they want

 

Not a lawyer but I’m pretty sure players don’t need the tour to allow them to use an nda that can be written into the employment contract or made a separate doc.

 

There is no problem with how caddies are paid and if there’s a caddie that doesn’t like their pay or employment conditions they are free to quit working for the player.

 

A one off situation with a local caddie at an event that really only became an issue because Gillis needed some attention and raised an issue that was none of his business since pay/employment status is between player and caddie (employer/employee) and then the media jumping in on it because they need ratings and the need to create drama which then gets in the mind of the employee who feels like he was jipped pay even though his employment agreement was fulfilled doesn’t constitute the need for some non existent crisis.

[cliffhanger]

my question then would be to everyone... would you hire someone to do a job for you without something documented as a form of a contract? Also how would a tour pro hiring a caddie for a week as a sub contractor be any different than a homeowner hiring a sub contractor to perform renovations on their house? Other than the obvious that one is golf related and one isn't. The principle is the same no?

If you ask any pro golfer the lesson learned here... would they answer pay the fill in caddie more money? or would they answer to have a contract in place prior to starting the working relationship for the week? this isn't really about equality and paying everyone the same, its about running a business and pro golfers run their own business so i would say Kuchar didn't run his business well that week more than i would say he shorted a guy.

[Hawkeye77]

my question then would be to everyone... would you hire someone to do a job for you without something documented as a form of a contract? Also how would a tour pro hiring a caddie for a week as a sub contractor be any different than a homeowner hiring a sub contractor to perform renovations on their house? Other than the obvious that one is golf related and one isn't. The principle is the same no?

If you ask any pro golfer the lesson learned here... would they answer pay the fill in caddie more money? or would they answer to have a contract in place prior to starting the working relationship for the week? this isn't really about equality and paying everyone the same, its about running a business and pro golfers run their own business so i would say Kuchar didn't run his business well that week more than i would say he shorted a guy.

 

Edit: done feeding.

[GoGoErky]

my question then would be to everyone... would you hire someone to do a job for you without something documented as a form of a contract? Also how would a tour pro hiring a caddie for a week as a sub contractor be any different than a homeowner hiring a sub contractor to perform renovations on their house? Other than the obvious that one is golf related and one isn't. The principle is the same no?

If you ask any pro golfer the lesson learned here... would they answer pay the fill in caddie more money? or would they answer to have a contract in place prior to starting the working relationship for the week? this isn't really about equality and paying everyone the same, its about running a business and pro golfers run their own business so i would say Kuchar didn't run his business well that week more than i would say he shorted a guy.

 

You grasping to create something that isn’t an issue. A contract whether written or verbal between two parties is a contract.

[playar32]

my question then would be to everyone... would you hire someone to do a job for you without something documented as a form of a contract? Also how would a tour pro hiring a caddie for a week as a sub contractor be any different than a homeowner hiring a sub contractor to perform renovations on their house? Other than the obvious that one is golf related and one isn't. The principle is the same no?

If you ask any pro golfer the lesson learned here... would they answer pay the fill in caddie more money? or would they answer to have a contract in place prior to starting the working relationship for the week? this isn't really about equality and paying everyone the same, its about running a business and pro golfers run their own business so i would say Kuchar didn't run his business well that week more than i would say he shorted a guy.

 

But that's not the issue, right. They had a contract in place, Kuchar paid what he said he would, plus a "tip". The only problem is the caddy looked at what was won, what a tour caddy would make in that situation, realized he bargained wrong, then tried to basically re-negotiate. Maybe you can look at it as the caddy was a little inexperienced and didnt know what to say/ask for initially, but I don't get how he can complain it was unfair that he was paid what he agreed to work for.

 

Thing is, this happens a lot in business. For example, the Nike symbol was bought by Phil Knight for $35 (later he gave the designer a bunch of shares for further compensation, but that was out of the goodness of his heart, he didn't have to do that.)

 

At the end of the day, was I disappointed in Kuchar, yes. Do I think he did anything wrong, no. Was rectifying it a good idea, yes. Was it most likely backed by his sponsors/agent to save face, likely yes.

[MtlJeff]

Is the alleged need for this being driven by the generation whose parents planned all the activities for their kids?

 

FWIW I don't really think any of this is necessary. But my suggestions were only if the tour or others genuinely thought they had a caddy issue.

 

I'd have no problem with the tour saying caddy use is at the choice of the player (go solo if you want) and allow the players to use NDA's if they want

 

Not a lawyer but I’m pretty sure players don’t need the tour to allow them to use an nda that can be written into the employment contract or made a separate doc.

 

There is no problem with how caddies are paid and if there’s a caddie that doesn’t like their pay or employment conditions they are free to quit working for the player.

 

A one off situation with a local caddie at an event that really only became an issue because Gillis needed some attention and raised an issue that was none of his business since pay/employment status is between player and caddie (employer/employee) and then the media jumping in on it because they need ratings and the need to create drama which then gets in the mind of the employee who feels like he was jipped pay even though his employment agreement was fulfilled doesn’t constitute the need for some non existent crisis.

 

You're right about the NDA thing I'm sure, not sure why I wrote that

[TheLarch]

I’d say the PGA Tour executives are about as concerned with what caddies are paid as the NFL executives are with what Bob Costas thinks of concussions and CTE in professional football.

[rxk9fan]

So you want the pga or other tours to dictate the pay of an independent contractor who has an employment agreement with another independent contractor?

 

Do they also dictate how a local caddie gets paid compared to a regular tour caddie or a borrowed caddie whose mason guy is off for the week or longer?

 

What about if a player uses a family member for a couple weeks or so while their main caddie vacations or is out recovering from illness or surgery?

no i don't think they should dictate the pay of golfer's contracted caddie, just set guidelines if that caddie doesn't show up and a replacement is required. i don't think it matters who fills in either, pay them the set percentage of your regular caddie pay based on the outcome.

 

We have no idea if this guy or any fill in caddie even hands the right club to the player or gives accurate yardage or reads a single green. And does not matter who fills in??? I can't imagine making an agreement to pay no matter who fills in a mandated 50% to 75% of what a guy earns who has earned your trust and your friendship for maybe a decade. What does that make your relationship worth with your caddie?

[cliffhanger]

So you want the pga or other tours to dictate the pay of an independent contractor who has an employment agreement with another independent contractor?

 

Do they also dictate how a local caddie gets paid compared to a regular tour caddie or a borrowed caddie whose mason guy is off for the week or longer?

 

What about if a player uses a family member for a couple weeks or so while their main caddie vacations or is out recovering from illness or surgery?

no i don't think they should dictate the pay of golfer's contracted caddie, just set guidelines if that caddie doesn't show up and a replacement is required. i don't think it matters who fills in either, pay them the set percentage of your regular caddie pay based on the outcome.

 

We have no idea if this guy or any fill in caddie even hands the right club to the player or gives accurate yardage or reads a single green. And does not matter who fills in??? I can't imagine making an agreement to pay no matter who fills in a mandated 50% to 75% of what a guy earns who has earned your trust and your friendship for maybe a decade. What does that make your relationship worth with your caddie?

great comment... your right that it complicates things... its only a suggestion, i also suggested that the tour get involved in a mediator type of way... either way, whats important here is that as a business if things are not documented, it can and usually will come back to haunt you. It is my understanding that a verbal agreement was made, and Kuchar most likely had thought that was enough, in this day it clearly isn't, that agreement should have been documented prior to starting the week including base pay and any potential bonus or tip. As i said earlier, he didn't take care of his business off course very well that week. i just know that anything i do in business it is documented. If both parties agree to something on the dotted line, there really isn't a dispute. however i imagine neither guy thought on wed evening that they would win together i bet... hence the bad decision making on both sides.

[Hawkeye77]

So you want the pga or other tours to dictate the pay of an independent contractor who has an employment agreement with another independent contractor?

 

Do they also dictate how a local caddie gets paid compared to a regular tour caddie or a borrowed caddie whose mason guy is off for the week or longer?

 

What about if a player uses a family member for a couple weeks or so while their main caddie vacations or is out recovering from illness or surgery?

no i don't think they should dictate the pay of golfer's contracted caddie, just set guidelines if that caddie doesn't show up and a replacement is required. i don't think it matters who fills in either, pay them the set percentage of your regular caddie pay based on the outcome.

 

We have no idea if this guy or any fill in caddie even hands the right club to the player or gives accurate yardage or reads a single green. And does not matter who fills in??? I can't imagine making an agreement to pay no matter who fills in a mandated 50% to 75% of what a guy earns who has earned your trust and your friendship for maybe a decade. What does that make your relationship worth with your caddie?

great comment... your right that it complicates things... its only a suggestion, i also suggested that the tour get involved in a mediator type of way... either way, whats important here is that as a business if things are not documented, it can and usually will come back to haunt you. It is my understanding that a verbal agreement was made, and Kuchar most likely had thought that was enough, in this day it clearly isn't, that agreement should have been documented prior to starting the week including base pay and any potential bonus or tip. As i said earlier, he didn't take care of his business off course very well that week. i just know that anything i do in business it is documented. If both parties agree to something on the dotted line, there really isn't a dispute. however i imagine neither guy thought on wed evening that they would win together i bet... hence the bad decision making on both sides.

 

You've said the same thing about a dozen times.

[cliffhanger]

So you want the pga or other tours to dictate the pay of an independent contractor who has an employment agreement with another independent contractor?

 

Do they also dictate how a local caddie gets paid compared to a regular tour caddie or a borrowed caddie whose mason guy is off for the week or longer?

 

What about if a player uses a family member for a couple weeks or so while their main caddie vacations or is out recovering from illness or surgery?

no i don't think they should dictate the pay of golfer's contracted caddie, just set guidelines if that caddie doesn't show up and a replacement is required. i don't think it matters who fills in either, pay them the set percentage of your regular caddie pay based on the outcome.

 

We have no idea if this guy or any fill in caddie even hands the right club to the player or gives accurate yardage or reads a single green. And does not matter who fills in??? I can't imagine making an agreement to pay no matter who fills in a mandated 50% to 75% of what a guy earns who has earned your trust and your friendship for maybe a decade. What does that make your relationship worth with your caddie?

great comment... your right that it complicates things... its only a suggestion, i also suggested that the tour get involved in a mediator type of way... either way, whats important here is that as a business if things are not documented, it can and usually will come back to haunt you. It is my understanding that a verbal agreement was made, and Kuchar most likely had thought that was enough, in this day it clearly isn't, that agreement should have been documented prior to starting the week including base pay and any potential bonus or tip. As i said earlier, he didn't take care of his business off course very well that week. i just know that anything i do in business it is documented. If both parties agree to something on the dotted line, there really isn't a dispute. however i imagine neither guy thought on wed evening that they would win together i bet... hence the bad decision making on both sides.

 

You've said the same thing about a dozen times.

hey thanks for noticing!!

[nsxguy]

So you want the pga or other tours to dictate the pay of an independent contractor who has an employment agreement with another independent contractor?

 

Do they also dictate how a local caddie gets paid compared to a regular tour caddie or a borrowed caddie whose mason guy is off for the week or longer?

 

What about if a player uses a family member for a couple weeks or so while their main caddie vacations or is out recovering from illness or surgery?

no i don't think they should dictate the pay of golfer's contracted caddie, just set guidelines if that caddie doesn't show up and a replacement is required. i don't think it matters who fills in either, pay them the set percentage of your regular caddie pay based on the outcome.

 

We have no idea if this guy or any fill in caddie even hands the right club to the player or gives accurate yardage or reads a single green. And does not matter who fills in??? I can't imagine making an agreement to pay no matter who fills in a mandated 50% to 75% of what a guy earns who has earned your trust and your friendship for maybe a decade. What does that make your relationship worth with your caddie?

great comment... your right that it complicates things... its only a suggestion, i also suggested that the tour get involved in a mediator type of way... either way, whats important here is that as a business if things are not documented, it can and usually will come back to haunt you. It is my understanding that a verbal agreement was made, and Kuchar most likely had thought that was enough, in this day it clearly isn't, that agreement should have been documented prior to starting the week including base pay and any potential bonus or tip. As i said earlier, he didn't take care of his business off course very well that week. i just know that anything i do in business it is documented. If both parties agree to something on the dotted line, there really isn't a dispute. however i imagine neither guy thought on wed evening that they would win together i bet... hence the bad decision making on both sides.

 

And that is exactly what happened. They made a contract, each fulfilled their part of the contract. So what's the problem ?

 

Of course, I wouldn't expect someone who wanted to return something to his store without a receipt, was properly offered, clearly within store policy, the lowest advertised price (within whatever), who then goes and foists HIS mistake on another golf store to understand.

 

So the caddie made an agreement, got paid according to the agreement and didn't like the outcome. So the SJWs (and the caddie) so their best to shame the golfer into paying - almost kinda sorta like extortion.

 

Seems that's OK with you - not that I'm surprised.

[duffer987]

...It is my understanding...

 

That's the key problem with this entire thread isn't it.

[cliffhanger]

So you want the pga or other tours to dictate the pay of an independent contractor who has an employment agreement with another independent contractor?

 

Do they also dictate how a local caddie gets paid compared to a regular tour caddie or a borrowed caddie whose mason guy is off for the week or longer?

 

What about if a player uses a family member for a couple weeks or so while their main caddie vacations or is out recovering from illness or surgery?

no i don't think they should dictate the pay of golfer's contracted caddie, just set guidelines if that caddie doesn't show up and a replacement is required. i don't think it matters who fills in either, pay them the set percentage of your regular caddie pay based on the outcome.

 

We have no idea if this guy or any fill in caddie even hands the right club to the player or gives accurate yardage or reads a single green. And does not matter who fills in??? I can't imagine making an agreement to pay no matter who fills in a mandated 50% to 75% of what a guy earns who has earned your trust and your friendship for maybe a decade. What does that make your relationship worth with your caddie?

great comment... your right that it complicates things... its only a suggestion, i also suggested that the tour get involved in a mediator type of way... either way, whats important here is that as a business if things are not documented, it can and usually will come back to haunt you. It is my understanding that a verbal agreement was made, and Kuchar most likely had thought that was enough, in this day it clearly isn't, that agreement should have been documented prior to starting the week including base pay and any potential bonus or tip. As i said earlier, he didn't take care of his business off course very well that week. i just know that anything i do in business it is documented. If both parties agree to something on the dotted line, there really isn't a dispute. however i imagine neither guy thought on wed evening that they would win together i bet... hence the bad decision making on both sides.

 

And that is exactly what happened. They made a contract, each fulfilled their part of the contract. So what's the problem ?

 

Of course, I wouldn't expect someone who wanted to return something to his store without a receipt, was properly offered, clearly within store policy, the lowest advertised price (within whatever), who then goes and foists HIS mistake on another golf store to understand.

 

So the caddie made an agreement, got paid according to the agreement and didn't like the outcome. So the SJWs (and the caddie) so their best to shame the golfer into paying - almost kinda sorta like extortion.

 

Seems that's OK with you - not that I'm surprised.

oh man thanks for the memories, it seems like yesterday I was in Florida golfing and buying new clubs at the PGA Superstore in Orlando. Oh wait it was yesterday and we can’t wait to come back when Star Wars Land opens... however we intend to go to the opening in Cali this summer first. Oh man we love those awesome Florida days!!

[cliffhanger]

...It is my understanding...

 

That's it.

you got that right man