I was embarrassed to be at Bethpage...

[Roadking2003]

> @new2g0lf said:

> NY Fans are tough, they aren't easy to win over but once you do, they will be fans for life unless you really mess up.

 

Tough? More like cowards acting like drunk teenagers because they know they can get away with it.

[gioguy21]

> @new2g0lf said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @new2g0lf said:

> > > You're delusional if you think people around drunk loudmouths are going to tell them to knock it off (unless they are drunk too). Most are not going to risk getting into a physical altercation or getting thrown out of the venue to do the job the security and the police are there to do. **The easiest way to get people to behave appropriately is to ban alcohol on the premises, but they make a ton of money selling beer so that's not likely going to happen. **

> > I don't agree. You can buy beer at the Masters and they have no fan problems. Obnoxious idiots are obnoxious idiots with or without alcohol.

> >

>

> The Master is a completely different venue and situation. You have to win a lottery just to get a ticket, you know going in there is zero tolerance for poor behavior. The entire culture around the event is different from every other golf tournament.

 

completely agree. i've been to a masters and was there yesterday -- two VERY different animals.

 

perfect example -- after Koepka teed off on 18...literally everyone rushed under the lines and came down the tee boxes to try and rush the fairway. that did NOT happen and would not happen at the Masters; simply due to the culture and level of tolerance that is there.

 

at the masters if you have too much to drink you're 'guided' to the exits.

[gvogel]

> @RobS14526 said:

>

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > This is why when I tell people we are from NY, I always say, "Western NY, 6 hours from NYC and we are nothing like those people."

> That’s right. We are from the butt chugging, jump through tables side of the State.

>

 

Another Bills fan!

[15th Club]

> @new2g0lf said:

> > @"15th Club" said:

> > > @KillerPenguin said:

> > > > @chillybilly said:

> > > >Why are the cops watching the golf shots? Why are they not getting involved early and often in identifying and chucking out louts and loudmouths? If the private Pinkertons can manage The Masters why are the public police not doing the jobs for which they are paid?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > Because it's not illegal to act like a moron at a golf tournament?

> > >

> >

> > Not necessarily "the cops." At least not at first. The cops are the second or third line of defense.

> > Here is how it should work. (1) A loudmouthed fan is yelling something that is inappropriate for a golf tournament. (2) The people around him tell him to knock it off. (3) He continues to do it. (4) Someone calls security or a Marshal over, and a large handful of people all say to the Marshal that the guy in question is being an intolerable jerk. (5) The Marshal, or other security, tells the guy to knock it off or else he will be ejected. (6) The guy continues to do it. (7) Security is called back, and they immediately tell the guy to leave the property. (8) The guy says that it's a free country and that he yells all the time at Mets, Jets and Nets games. (9) Security tells him that on the back of his ticket it says that his ticket is only a license, that his behavior needs to conform to the host organization's wishes and that while it is a free country, it is not a free event.

> > And then, (10) the police are called and at the request of security, they waste no time in escorting the guy off the property.

>

> You're delusional if you think people around drunk loudmouths are going to tell them to knock it off (unless they are drunk too). Most are not going to risk getting into a physical altercation or getting thrown out of the venue to do the job the security and the police are there to do. The easiest way to get people to behave appropriately is to ban alcohol on the premises, but they make a ton of money selling beer so that's not likely going to happen.

If somebody was drunk enough to make me fear that they'd be violent, you're right; I wouldn't speak to them. I'd just go straight to the "call security" option.

[Edit.- My notion about speaking to the offender first was just ordinary courtesy, and also part of the process of creating a handful of supportive witnesses to all make the same complaint when security arrives. I've seen it before; one guy complaining about an offender is often regarded as a private argument. But 6 or 8 paying customers all complaining about an offender is usually enough to prompt some action.]

 

 

[gioguy21]

> @"15th Club" said:

> > @new2g0lf said:

> > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > @KillerPenguin said:

> > > > > @chillybilly said:

> > > > >Why are the cops watching the golf shots? Why are they not getting involved early and often in identifying and chucking out louts and loudmouths? If the private Pinkertons can manage The Masters why are the public police not doing the jobs for which they are paid?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > Because it's not illegal to act like a moron at a golf tournament?

> > > >

> > >

> > > Not necessarily "the cops." At least not at first. The cops are the second or third line of defense.

> > > Here is how it should work. (1) A loudmouthed fan is yelling something that is inappropriate for a golf tournament. (2) The people around him tell him to knock it off. (3) He continues to do it. (4) Someone calls security or a Marshal over, and a large handful of people all say to the Marshal that the guy in question is being an intolerable jerk. (5) The Marshal, or other security, tells the guy to knock it off or else he will be ejected. (6) The guy continues to do it. (7) Security is called back, and they immediately tell the guy to leave the property. (8) The guy says that it's a free country and that he yells all the time at Mets, Jets and Nets games. (9) Security tells him that on the back of his ticket it says that his ticket is only a license, that his behavior needs to conform to the host organization's wishes and that while it is a free country, it is not a free event.

> > > And then, (10) the police are called and at the request of security, they waste no time in escorting the guy off the property.

> >

> > You're delusional if you think people around drunk loudmouths are going to tell them to knock it off (unless they are drunk too). Most are not going to risk getting into a physical altercation or getting thrown out of the venue to do the job the security and the police are there to do. The easiest way to get people to behave appropriately is to ban alcohol on the premises, but they make a ton of money selling beer so that's not likely going to happen.

> If somebody was drunk enough to make me fear that they'd be violent, you're right; I wouldn't speak to them. I'd just go straight to the "call security" option.

>

 

ok i'll say it. this isn't grade school. NO ONE is going to go up to a cop and 'tattle' on them. no one. i don't care who you are. if they're that out of control, they'd have been dismissed already...the fact that they haven't been means that you telling a cop on them won't do a darn thing.

 

cop: "did they hurt you? touch you? otherwise impact your ability to watch? was what they did unlawful? -- if any of those answers is yes, where are they...if not...enjoy the show"

[bscinstnct]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[15th Club]

> @gioguy21 said:

> > @"15th Club" said:

> > > @new2g0lf said:

> > > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > > @KillerPenguin said:

> > > > > > @chillybilly said:

> > > > > >Why are the cops watching the golf shots? Why are they not getting involved early and often in identifying and chucking out louts and loudmouths? If the private Pinkertons can manage The Masters why are the public police not doing the jobs for which they are paid?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > Because it's not illegal to act like a moron at a golf tournament?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Not necessarily "the cops." At least not at first. The cops are the second or third line of defense.

> > > > Here is how it should work. (1) A loudmouthed fan is yelling something that is inappropriate for a golf tournament. (2) The people around him tell him to knock it off. (3) He continues to do it. (4) Someone calls security or a Marshal over, and a large handful of people all say to the Marshal that the guy in question is being an intolerable jerk. (5) The Marshal, or other security, tells the guy to knock it off or else he will be ejected. (6) The guy continues to do it. (7) Security is called back, and they immediately tell the guy to leave the property. (8) The guy says that it's a free country and that he yells all the time at Mets, Jets and Nets games. (9) Security tells him that on the back of his ticket it says that his ticket is only a license, that his behavior needs to conform to the host organization's wishes and that while it is a free country, it is not a free event.

> > > > And then, (10) the police are called and at the request of security, they waste no time in escorting the guy off the property.

> > >

> > > You're delusional if you think people around drunk loudmouths are going to tell them to knock it off (unless they are drunk too). Most are not going to risk getting into a physical altercation or getting thrown out of the venue to do the job the security and the police are there to do. The easiest way to get people to behave appropriately is to ban alcohol on the premises, but they make a ton of money selling beer so that's not likely going to happen.

> > If somebody was drunk enough to make me fear that they'd be violent, you're right; I wouldn't speak to them. I'd just go straight to the "call security" option.

> >

>

> ok i'll say it. this isn't grade school. NO ONE is going to go up to a cop and 'tattle' on them. no one. i don't care who you are. if they're that out of control, they'd have been dismissed already...the fact that they haven't been means that you telling a cop on them won't do a darn thing.

>

> cop: "did they hurt you? touch you? otherwise impact your ability to watch? was what they did unlawful? -- if any of those answers is yes, where are they...if not...enjoy the show"

 

You're talking like it was an event occurring in Central Park, or at The Meadowlands. It's not like that. I already said that going to the cops was not my first inclination. My first option was going to PGA/event security; explaining it to them in golf terms and not civil rights terms, and getting THEM to call the cops.

 

[Nard_S]

> @mocokid said:

> > @Nard_S said:

> > I was there yesterday, hung out on the back nine mostly. The folks were good natured and except for one incident where someone was putting the fans were nothing but encouraging and courteous all around. The heavy demographic there was 20 something males and alcohol is prevalent everywhere. That is a cocktail for bad behavior to flourish so if they're real concerned about 2024 Ryder Cup or general crowd impact, they can start with a 2 -3 drink limit, which is something they probably won't do because the money they make is huge considering beer is sold at over a $1 an ounce.

>

> I heard the HEAVY drinking is on the way out to the course = Train

 

That could be. I drove in and parked at Jones Beach. The execution of event was first rate save for the quality & value of food they get a D for that, doing better there might cut down on the beverages a bit too.

 

[gioguy21]

> @"15th Club" said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > @new2g0lf said:

> > > > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > > > @KillerPenguin said:

> > > > > > > @chillybilly said:

> > > > > > >Why are the cops watching the golf shots? Why are they not getting involved early and often in identifying and chucking out louts and loudmouths? If the private Pinkertons can manage The Masters why are the public police not doing the jobs for which they are paid?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > Because it's not illegal to act like a moron at a golf tournament?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Not necessarily "the cops." At least not at first. The cops are the second or third line of defense.

> > > > > Here is how it should work. (1) A loudmouthed fan is yelling something that is inappropriate for a golf tournament. (2) The people around him tell him to knock it off. (3) He continues to do it. (4) Someone calls security or a Marshal over, and a large handful of people all say to the Marshal that the guy in question is being an intolerable jerk. (5) The Marshal, or other security, tells the guy to knock it off or else he will be ejected. (6) The guy continues to do it. (7) Security is called back, and they immediately tell the guy to leave the property. (8) The guy says that it's a free country and that he yells all the time at Mets, Jets and Nets games. (9) Security tells him that on the back of his ticket it says that his ticket is only a license, that his behavior needs to conform to the host organization's wishes and that while it is a free country, it is not a free event.

> > > > > And then, (10) the police are called and at the request of security, they waste no time in escorting the guy off the property.

> > > >

> > > > You're delusional if you think people around drunk loudmouths are going to tell them to knock it off (unless they are drunk too). Most are not going to risk getting into a physical altercation or getting thrown out of the venue to do the job the security and the police are there to do. The easiest way to get people to behave appropriately is to ban alcohol on the premises, but they make a ton of money selling beer so that's not likely going to happen.

> > > If somebody was drunk enough to make me fear that they'd be violent, you're right; I wouldn't speak to them. I'd just go straight to the "call security" option.

> > >

> >

> > ok i'll say it. this isn't grade school. NO ONE is going to go up to a cop and 'tattle' on them. no one. i don't care who you are. if they're that out of control, they'd have been dismissed already...the fact that they haven't been means that you telling a cop on them won't do a darn thing.

> >

> > cop: "did they hurt you? touch you? otherwise impact your ability to watch? was what they did unlawful? -- if any of those answers is yes, where are they...if not...enjoy the show"

>

> You're talking like it was an event occurring in Central Park, or at The Meadowlands. It's not like that. I already said that going to the cops was not my first inclination. My first option was going to PGA/event security; explaining it to them in golf terms and not civil rights terms, and getting THEM to call the cops.

>

 

no i'm not. i'm talking about it as a real life, been there, observation of it. the reason i went straight to the cops is b/c all the other crap in between that you wrote means nothing. marshals and volunteers have no authority. the only REAL course of action you'd actually have is to go straight to a cop --- and like i said, if it's not illegal and you're not being physically harmed...tough cookies.

[exit47]

If they wanted to t> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @new2g0lf said:

> > You're delusional if you think people around drunk loudmouths are going to tell them to knock it off (unless they are drunk too). Most are not going to risk getting into a physical altercation or getting thrown out of the venue to do the job the security and the police are there to do. **The easiest way to get people to behave appropriately is to ban alcohol on the premises, but they make a ton of money selling beer so that's not likely going to happen. **

> I don't agree. You can buy beer at the Masters and they have no fan problems. Obnoxious idiots are obnoxious idiots with or without alcohol.

>

For the Masters, either you get read the riot act from the badge holder before using the badge or drop 2k per badge for a tournament day. For the most part, keeps the morons out of the Masters crowd

 

[shanx]

This should have been nipped in the bud last time they played there. As much as I dislike Sergio, we behaved poorly.

 

I did not grow up on Long Island, but live there now, it was a disgrace. I have been to plenty of golf tournaments (majors too), around the tri state area, I have never seen that type of behavior.

[15th Club]

> @gioguy21 said:

> > @"15th Club" said:

> > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > > @new2g0lf said:

> > > > > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > > > > @KillerPenguin said:

> > > > > > > > @chillybilly said:

> > > > > > > >Why are the cops watching the golf shots? Why are they not getting involved early and often in identifying and chucking out louts and loudmouths? If the private Pinkertons can manage The Masters why are the public police not doing the jobs for which they are paid?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Because it's not illegal to act like a moron at a golf tournament?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Not necessarily "the cops." At least not at first. The cops are the second or third line of defense.

> > > > > > Here is how it should work. (1) A loudmouthed fan is yelling something that is inappropriate for a golf tournament. (2) The people around him tell him to knock it off. (3) He continues to do it. (4) Someone calls security or a Marshal over, and a large handful of people all say to the Marshal that the guy in question is being an intolerable jerk. (5) The Marshal, or other security, tells the guy to knock it off or else he will be ejected. (6) The guy continues to do it. (7) Security is called back, and they immediately tell the guy to leave the property. (8) The guy says that it's a free country and that he yells all the time at Mets, Jets and Nets games. (9) Security tells him that on the back of his ticket it says that his ticket is only a license, that his behavior needs to conform to the host organization's wishes and that while it is a free country, it is not a free event.

> > > > > > And then, (10) the police are called and at the request of security, they waste no time in escorting the guy off the property.

> > > > >

> > > > > You're delusional if you think people around drunk loudmouths are going to tell them to knock it off (unless they are drunk too). Most are not going to risk getting into a physical altercation or getting thrown out of the venue to do the job the security and the police are there to do. The easiest way to get people to behave appropriately is to ban alcohol on the premises, but they make a ton of money selling beer so that's not likely going to happen.

> > > > If somebody was drunk enough to make me fear that they'd be violent, you're right; I wouldn't speak to them. I'd just go straight to the "call security" option.

> > > >

> > >

> > > ok i'll say it. this isn't grade school. NO ONE is going to go up to a cop and 'tattle' on them. no one. i don't care who you are. if they're that out of control, they'd have been dismissed already...the fact that they haven't been means that you telling a cop on them won't do a darn thing.

> > >

> > > cop: "did they hurt you? touch you? otherwise impact your ability to watch? was what they did unlawful? -- if any of those answers is yes, where are they...if not...enjoy the show"

> >

> > You're talking like it was an event occurring in Central Park, or at The Meadowlands. It's not like that. I already said that going to the cops was not my first inclination. My first option was going to PGA/event security; explaining it to them in golf terms and not civil rights terms, and getting THEM to call the cops.

> >

>

> no i'm not. i'm talking about it as a real life, been there, observation of it. the reason i went straight to the cops is b/c all the other crap in between that you wrote means nothing. marshals and volunteers have no authority. the only REAL course of action you'd actually have is to go straight to a cop --- and like i said, if it's not illegal and you're not being physically harmed...tough cookies.

 

Then you just do not understand how security works at an event like a Tour event or a major. Event security is not there to arrest anyone. They are there to insure the general enjoyment of the event. But they are linked by radio to the police. It is the virtual SPECIALTY of event security, to transform concerns about how an event may be proceeding in an untoward direction, into intervention by law enforcement. And much, much more so than with any response to an ordinary event-patron's complaint, the police WILL respond to the request of event security to remove an unruly spectator.

 

In simpler terms; once I have succeeded in convincing event security that someone is interfering with the event or the enjoyment of the event, and they call for the police, that game is over. When the police arrive, they won't ask for the details. When event security asks for the police, the police will say to the suspect, "You're coming with us, now."

[King_Slender]

If you think this was bad, wait until the Ryder Cup in 2024.

[gioguy21]

> @"15th Club" said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > > > @new2g0lf said:

> > > > > > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > > > > > @KillerPenguin said:

> > > > > > > > > @chillybilly said:

> > > > > > > > >Why are the cops watching the golf shots? Why are they not getting involved early and often in identifying and chucking out louts and loudmouths? If the private Pinkertons can manage The Masters why are the public police not doing the jobs for which they are paid?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Because it's not illegal to act like a moron at a golf tournament?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Not necessarily "the cops." At least not at first. The cops are the second or third line of defense.

> > > > > > > Here is how it should work. (1) A loudmouthed fan is yelling something that is inappropriate for a golf tournament. (2) The people around him tell him to knock it off. (3) He continues to do it. (4) Someone calls security or a Marshal over, and a large handful of people all say to the Marshal that the guy in question is being an intolerable jerk. (5) The Marshal, or other security, tells the guy to knock it off or else he will be ejected. (6) The guy continues to do it. (7) Security is called back, and they immediately tell the guy to leave the property. (8) The guy says that it's a free country and that he yells all the time at Mets, Jets and Nets games. (9) Security tells him that on the back of his ticket it says that his ticket is only a license, that his behavior needs to conform to the host organization's wishes and that while it is a free country, it is not a free event.

> > > > > > > And then, (10) the police are called and at the request of security, they waste no time in escorting the guy off the property.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You're delusional if you think people around drunk loudmouths are going to tell them to knock it off (unless they are drunk too). Most are not going to risk getting into a physical altercation or getting thrown out of the venue to do the job the security and the police are there to do. The easiest way to get people to behave appropriately is to ban alcohol on the premises, but they make a ton of money selling beer so that's not likely going to happen.

> > > > > If somebody was drunk enough to make me fear that they'd be violent, you're right; I wouldn't speak to them. I'd just go straight to the "call security" option.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ok i'll say it. this isn't grade school. NO ONE is going to go up to a cop and 'tattle' on them. no one. i don't care who you are. if they're that out of control, they'd have been dismissed already...the fact that they haven't been means that you telling a cop on them won't do a darn thing.

> > > >

> > > > cop: "did they hurt you? touch you? otherwise impact your ability to watch? was what they did unlawful? -- if any of those answers is yes, where are they...if not...enjoy the show"

> > >

> > > You're talking like it was an event occurring in Central Park, or at The Meadowlands. It's not like that. I already said that going to the cops was not my first inclination. My first option was going to PGA/event security; explaining it to them in golf terms and not civil rights terms, and getting THEM to call the cops.

> > >

> >

> > no i'm not. i'm talking about it as a real life, been there, observation of it. the reason i went straight to the cops is b/c all the other crap in between that you wrote means nothing. marshals and volunteers have no authority. the only REAL course of action you'd actually have is to go straight to a cop --- and like i said, if it's not illegal and you're not being physically harmed...tough cookies.

>

> Then you just do not understand how security works at an even like a Tour event or a major. Event security is not there to arrest anyone. They are there to insure the general enjoyment of the event. But they are linked by radio to the police. It is the virtual SPECIALTY of event security, to transform concerns about how an event may be proceeding in an untoward direction, into intervention by law enforcement. And much, much more so than with any response to an ordinary event-patron's complaint, the police WILL respond to the request of even security to remove an unruly spectator.

>

> In simpler terms; once I have succeeded in convincing event security that someone is interfering with the event or the enjoyment of the event, and they call for the police, that game is over. When the police arrive, they won't ask for the details. When event security asks for the police, the police will say to the suspect, "You're coming with us, now."

 

lol oh i'm well aware of the protocol -- i'm just sayin good luck with all that.

 

 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

This "letting the crowd be rowdy" and organizers letting it get this way by prioritizing money above all else, will eventually go to far and haunt them. Wouldn't be surprised if a physical altercation is in the future.

[Z1ggy16]

I was there Friday and it wasn't as bad as last year's US Open. I think that's because the frat bro's don't actually wake up from last weekends black out until Saturday morning, so they aren't there in as high of numbers. There was some random weird yelling and whatnot but it was 'typical' for NYC/Long Island golf fans. Faldo was getting triggered Sunday though from all the people yelling. Nick.... this isn't the UK, have you not realized that by now? American golf fans are complete savages compared to the high class across the pond.

 

This is only not acceptable because it's golf. Ever go to Giants/Jets game? Ever go to a Islanders/Devils/Rangers game? Sit in the upper deck, then tell me NY golf fans are "rude". Stuff at golf events is like a G rated Pixar film compared to football or hockey.

[Ferguson]

> @shanx said:

> This should have been nipped in the bud last time they played there. As much as I dislike Sergio, we behaved poorly.

>

> I did not grow up on Long Island, but live there now, it was a disgrace. I have been to plenty of golf tournaments (majors too), around the tri state area, I have never seen that type of behavior.

 

This type of behavior, as you call it, can't be stopped. It's like mold on cheese or the seemingly endless supply of Star Wars movies. It's becoming part of our culture to not only be loud and disrespectful BUT be the MOST loud and MOST disrespectful. Years ago, when there were only three Star Wars movies, you might hear or see the occasional drunk and loud guy but now it's almost expected when attending a golf event.

[Philomathesq]

> @buckeye440 said:

> I would say it contributes. ** I have done regrettable things (mainly one thing) drunk that I would never do sober.** Now, I just do not get that drunk at a public event like that. All about control.

 

Did you admit to yourself that you are really a Wolverines fan? :D

[15th Club]

> @gioguy21 said:

> > @"15th Club" said:

> > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > > > > @new2g0lf said:

> > > > > > > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > > > > > > @KillerPenguin said:

> > > > > > > > > > @chillybilly said:

> > > > > > > > > >Why are the cops watching the golf shots? Why are they not getting involved early and often in identifying and chucking out louts and loudmouths? If the private Pinkertons can manage The Masters why are the public police not doing the jobs for which they are paid?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Because it's not illegal to act like a moron at a golf tournament?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Not necessarily "the cops." At least not at first. The cops are the second or third line of defense.

> > > > > > > > Here is how it should work. (1) A loudmouthed fan is yelling something that is inappropriate for a golf tournament. (2) The people around him tell him to knock it off. (3) He continues to do it. (4) Someone calls security or a Marshal over, and a large handful of people all say to the Marshal that the guy in question is being an intolerable jerk. (5) The Marshal, or other security, tells the guy to knock it off or else he will be ejected. (6) The guy continues to do it. (7) Security is called back, and they immediately tell the guy to leave the property. (8) The guy says that it's a free country and that he yells all the time at Mets, Jets and Nets games. (9) Security tells him that on the back of his ticket it says that his ticket is only a license, that his behavior needs to conform to the host organization's wishes and that while it is a free country, it is not a free event.

> > > > > > > > And then, (10) the police are called and at the request of security, they waste no time in escorting the guy off the property.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You're delusional if you think people around drunk loudmouths are going to tell them to knock it off (unless they are drunk too). Most are not going to risk getting into a physical altercation or getting thrown out of the venue to do the job the security and the police are there to do. The easiest way to get people to behave appropriately is to ban alcohol on the premises, but they make a ton of money selling beer so that's not likely going to happen.

> > > > > > If somebody was drunk enough to make me fear that they'd be violent, you're right; I wouldn't speak to them. I'd just go straight to the "call security" option.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ok i'll say it. this isn't grade school. NO ONE is going to go up to a cop and 'tattle' on them. no one. i don't care who you are. if they're that out of control, they'd have been dismissed already...the fact that they haven't been means that you telling a cop on them won't do a darn thing.

> > > > >

> > > > > cop: "did they hurt you? touch you? otherwise impact your ability to watch? was what they did unlawful? -- if any of those answers is yes, where are they...if not...enjoy the show"

> > > >

> > > > You're talking like it was an event occurring in Central Park, or at The Meadowlands. It's not like that. I already said that going to the cops was not my first inclination. My first option was going to PGA/event security; explaining it to them in golf terms and not civil rights terms, and getting THEM to call the cops.

> > > >

> > >

> > > no i'm not. i'm talking about it as a real life, been there, observation of it. the reason i went straight to the cops is b/c all the other crap in between that you wrote means nothing. marshals and volunteers have no authority. the only REAL course of action you'd actually have is to go straight to a cop --- and like i said, if it's not illegal and you're not being physically harmed...tough cookies.

> >

> > Then you just do not understand how security works at an even like a Tour event or a major. Event security is not there to arrest anyone. They are there to insure the general enjoyment of the event. But they are linked by radio to the police. It is the virtual SPECIALTY of event security, to transform concerns about how an event may be proceeding in an untoward direction, into intervention by law enforcement. And much, much more so than with any response to an ordinary event-patron's complaint, the police WILL respond to the request of even security to remove an unruly spectator.

> >

> > In simpler terms; once I have succeeded in convincing event security that someone is interfering with the event or the enjoyment of the event, and they call for the police, that game is over. When the police arrive, they won't ask for the details. When event security asks for the police, the police will say to the suspect, "You're coming with us, now."

>

> lol oh i'm well aware of the protocol -- i'm just sayin good luck with all that.

>

>

 

I don't understand you. Further up on this page, you made the excellent (and correct) first-hand observation that there is a cultural difference between Augusta and a Tour event on Long Island. It's just a broadly different cultural expectation. And there is no reason at all why a different culture could not be imposed on an event in Long Island if the majority of spectators, and event security, and the police all agreed on what was unacceptable behavior. It's not about any grand difference between civil rights and criminal law in Richmond County, Georgia versus Nassau County, New York.

 

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> @King_Slender said:

> If you think this was bad, wait until the Ryder Cup in 2024.

 

Will be the best RC in history.

 

Huge number of expat brit, irish, and euros in general who live in NYC. Plus, since it's in NYC, a lot of euros will fly in to make a vacation out of it and go root their squad.

Euros will have 10x the representation they ever had in the US.

 

Will give a new meaning to F Scott Fitztgerald's reference to Long Island as, "riotous" ; )

 

 

 

 

[gioguy21]

> @"15th Club" said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > > > @gioguy21 said:

> > > > > > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > > > > > @new2g0lf said:

> > > > > > > > > @"15th Club" said:

> > > > > > > > > > @KillerPenguin said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @chillybilly said:

> > > > > > > > > > >Why are the cops watching the golf shots? Why are they not getting involved early and often in identifying and chucking out louts and loudmouths? If the private Pinkertons can manage The Masters why are the public police not doing the jobs for which they are paid?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Because it's not illegal to act like a moron at a golf tournament?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Not necessarily "the cops." At least not at first. The cops are the second or third line of defense.

> > > > > > > > > Here is how it should work. (1) A loudmouthed fan is yelling something that is inappropriate for a golf tournament. (2) The people around him tell him to knock it off. (3) He continues to do it. (4) Someone calls security or a Marshal over, and a large handful of people all say to the Marshal that the guy in question is being an intolerable jerk. (5) The Marshal, or other security, tells the guy to knock it off or else he will be ejected. (6) The guy continues to do it. (7) Security is called back, and they immediately tell the guy to leave the property. (8) The guy says that it's a free country and that he yells all the time at Mets, Jets and Nets games. (9) Security tells him that on the back of his ticket it says that his ticket is only a license, that his behavior needs to conform to the host organization's wishes and that while it is a free country, it is not a free event.

> > > > > > > > > And then, (10) the police are called and at the request of security, they waste no time in escorting the guy off the property.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You're delusional if you think people around drunk loudmouths are going to tell them to knock it off (unless they are drunk too). Most are not going to risk getting into a physical altercation or getting thrown out of the venue to do the job the security and the police are there to do. The easiest way to get people to behave appropriately is to ban alcohol on the premises, but they make a ton of money selling beer so that's not likely going to happen.

> > > > > > > If somebody was drunk enough to make me fear that they'd be violent, you're right; I wouldn't speak to them. I'd just go straight to the "call security" option.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ok i'll say it. this isn't grade school. NO ONE is going to go up to a cop and 'tattle' on them. no one. i don't care who you are. if they're that out of control, they'd have been dismissed already...the fact that they haven't been means that you telling a cop on them won't do a darn thing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > cop: "did they hurt you? touch you? otherwise impact your ability to watch? was what they did unlawful? -- if any of those answers is yes, where are they...if not...enjoy the show"

> > > > >

> > > > > You're talking like it was an event occurring in Central Park, or at The Meadowlands. It's not like that. I already said that going to the cops was not my first inclination. My first option was going to PGA/event security; explaining it to them in golf terms and not civil rights terms, and getting THEM to call the cops.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > no i'm not. i'm talking about it as a real life, been there, observation of it. the reason i went straight to the cops is b/c all the other crap in between that you wrote means nothing. marshals and volunteers have no authority. the only REAL course of action you'd actually have is to go straight to a cop --- and like i said, if it's not illegal and you're not being physically harmed...tough cookies.

> > >

> > > Then you just do not understand how security works at an even like a Tour event or a major. Event security is not there to arrest anyone. They are there to insure the general enjoyment of the event. But they are linked by radio to the police. It is the virtual SPECIALTY of event security, to transform concerns about how an event may be proceeding in an untoward direction, into intervention by law enforcement. And much, much more so than with any response to an ordinary event-patron's complaint, the police WILL respond to the request of even security to remove an unruly spectator.

> > >

> > > In simpler terms; once I have succeeded in convincing event security that someone is interfering with the event or the enjoyment of the event, and they call for the police, that game is over. When the police arrive, they won't ask for the details. When event security asks for the police, the police will say to the suspect, "You're coming with us, now."

> >

> > lol oh i'm well aware of the protocol -- i'm just sayin good luck with all that.

> >

> >

>

> I don't understand you. Further up on this page, you made the excellent (and correct) first-hand observation that there is a cultural difference between Augusta and a Tour event on Long Island. It's just a broadly different cultural expectation. And there is no reason at all why a different culture could not be imposed on an event in Long Island if the majority of spectators, and event security, and the police all agreed on what was unacceptable behavior. It's not about any grand difference between civil rights and criminal law in Richmond County, Georgia versus Nassau County, New York.

>

 

Except I'm not talking about civil rights. Talking about culture around an event based on demographics and the environment behavior is tolerated in. It's not tolerated at the masters - however at the PGA in ny...so called protocol has little value. Again, based on observations of behavior of both Marshals, event staff and law enforcement.

 

 

[Roadking2003]

> @new2g0lf said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @new2g0lf said:

> > > You're delusional if you think people around drunk loudmouths are going to tell them to knock it off (unless they are drunk too). Most are not going to risk getting into a physical altercation or getting thrown out of the venue to do the job the security and the police are there to do. **The easiest way to get people to behave appropriately is to ban alcohol on the premises, but they make a ton of money selling beer so that's not likely going to happen. **

> > I don't agree. You can buy beer at the Masters and they have no fan problems. Obnoxious idiots are obnoxious idiots with or without alcohol.

> >

>

> The Master is a completely different venue and situation. You have to win a lottery just to get a ticket, you know going in there is zero tolerance for poor behavior. The entire culture around the event is different from every other golf tournament.

 

Mostly True. Isn't The Masters wonderful?

[I_HATE_SNOW]

Why would you expect anything else from that area?

[Roadking2003]

> @Z1ggy16 said: Nick.... this isn't the UK, have you not realized that by now? American golf fans are complete savages compared to the high class across the pond.

 

Not true at all. I've been to lots of PGA tournaments in a few cities and never seen anything like the obnoxious fans this week.

 

> This is only not acceptable because it's golf. Ever go to Giants/Jets game? Ever go to a Islanders/Devils/Rangers game? Sit in the upper deck, then tell me NY golf fans are "rude". Stuff at golf events is like a G rated Pixar film compared to football or hockey.

 

Yes, it is only not acceptable because it's golf. But we are talking about golf, so it's not acceptable. And it's the same in Europe.

 

 

[15th Club]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @new2g0lf said:

> > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > @new2g0lf said:

> > > > You're delusional if you think people around drunk loudmouths are going to tell them to knock it off (unless they are drunk too). Most are not going to risk getting into a physical altercation or getting thrown out of the venue to do the job the security and the police are there to do. **The easiest way to get people to behave appropriately is to ban alcohol on the premises, but they make a ton of money selling beer so that's not likely going to happen. **

> > > I don't agree. You can buy beer at the Masters and they have no fan problems. Obnoxious idiots are obnoxious idiots with or without alcohol.

> > >

> >

> > The Master is a completely different venue and situation. You have to win a lottery just to get a ticket, you know going in there is zero tolerance for poor behavior. The entire culture around the event is different from every other golf tournament.

>

> Mostly True. Isn't The Masters wonderful?

 

Count me as your first "Like."

There might be an argument, that other tournaments cannot afford to enforce Augusta-like behavior codes because their demand for tickets is so elastic, and they are all one-off events in a sense. Augusta is there every year, and if you get expelled/banned, you may never come back.

 

It's all true to some extent, but I don't buy it as any sort of comprehensive excuse. Major golf tournaments could create their own culture, and indeed they do to at least some extent.

 

Now back to your comment... Is the Masters Tournament privileged, to enforce its behavioral standards because it is such a tough ticket? Or is it such a tough ticket in large part because the most devoted golf fans want to be part of that kind of tournament, and not a Long Island event?

[Z1ggy16]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @new2g0lf said:

> > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > @new2g0lf said:

> > > > You're delusional if you think people around drunk loudmouths are going to tell them to knock it off (unless they are drunk too). Most are not going to risk getting into a physical altercation or getting thrown out of the venue to do the job the security and the police are there to do. **The easiest way to get people to behave appropriately is to ban alcohol on the premises, but they make a ton of money selling beer so that's not likely going to happen. **

> > > I don't agree. You can buy beer at the Masters and they have no fan problems. Obnoxious idiots are obnoxious idiots with or without alcohol.

> > >

> >

> > The Master is a completely different venue and situation. You have to win a lottery just to get a ticket, you know going in there is zero tolerance for poor behavior. The entire culture around the event is different from every other golf tournament.

>

> Mostly True. Isn't The Masters wonderful?

 

It's also in April when most "Bro's" or anybody immature enough to scream at a player, is still in school. How many kids can afford a flight/travel and stay to Augusta? Much less than kids who just need to take a $25 train from anywhere within shouting distance to PGA/US Open. Lottery aside, simply more of the "type" of people who are doing this yelling etc are available in the summer. Mummy n Daddy are probably also much more willing to give little Timmy $150 to head to Shinnecock/Bethpage for a day than $500 for a plane and hotel for the Masters. I can't say for sure but I'm willing to bet a lot of the younger people who do go to the Masters are within driving distance, too.

 

I will be really curious to see comments on here about the US Open at Pebble. I won't be going but it will be interesting to see if the same culture is still prevalent or not.

[DatSliceDoe]

> @chillybilly said:

> > @Noke said:

>

> > This right here is probably the most well-crafted first post on any forum as you're likely to find.

>

> Many thanks. I'm a refugee from a now-dead forum.

>

 

Welcome!

[gioguy21]

> @"15th Club" said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @new2g0lf said:

> > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > @new2g0lf said:

> > > > > You're delusional if you think people around drunk loudmouths are going to tell them to knock it off (unless they are drunk too). Most are not going to risk getting into a physical altercation or getting thrown out of the venue to do the job the security and the police are there to do. **The easiest way to get people to behave appropriately is to ban alcohol on the premises, but they make a ton of money selling beer so that's not likely going to happen. **

> > > > I don't agree. You can buy beer at the Masters and they have no fan problems. Obnoxious idiots are obnoxious idiots with or without alcohol.

> > > >

> > >

> > > The Master is a completely different venue and situation. You have to win a lottery just to get a ticket, you know going in there is zero tolerance for poor behavior. The entire culture around the event is different from every other golf tournament.

> >

> > Mostly True. Isn't The Masters wonderful?

>

> Count me as your first "Like."

> There might be an argument, that other tournaments cannot afford to enforce Augusta-like behavior codes because their demand for tickets is so elastic, and they are all one-off events in a sense. Augusta is there every year, and if you get expelled/banned, you may never come back.

>

> It's all true to some extent, but I don't buy it as any sort of comprehensive excuse. Major golf tournaments could create their own culture, and indeed they do to at least some extent.

>

> Now back to your comment... Is the Masters Tournament privileged, to enforce its behavioral standards because it is such a tough ticket? Or is it such a tough ticket in large part because the most devoted golf fans want to be part of that kind of tournament, and not a Long Island event?

 

What is there to "buy" exactly? The culture is as it is. That's what makes it culture. If it weren't allowable...it wouldnt be part of it. But since it is...it is.

 

The masters is blunt, in your face about its rules, and "laws" of etiquette and manner. However, the PGA tour stops and majors with less restriction cater to and allow this behavior.

[tbowles411]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> This is why when I tell people we are from NY, I always say, "Western NY, 6 hours from NYC and we are nothing like those people."

My wife is from Manhattan. My first time there when we were dating and MUCH younger, I asked her how she could live there. She says she can never go back there.

 

[bscinstnct]

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/christinebrennan/2019/05/18/pga-championship-bethpage-black-fans/3724698002/

 

Opinion: PGA's raucous crowds at Bethpage Black far more fun than prim, proper Augusta

 

Cheering a bad shot in golf? Oh, the horror. Golfers are so sheltered from big-time sports reality that they often have trouble dealing with one pithy comment and demand the perpetrator’s ejection. Someday these pampered souls should try wearing a Michigan jersey in Columbus for an hour or so.

 

Then there was the moment Saturday when Daniel Berger teed off and some goofball screamed, “Burgers for all!”

 

Of course there was laughter. Everyone smiled. Can you imagine, happiness of this magnitude at a sporting event?

 

Most people in and around the game of golf probably prefer Augusta National’s sterile ways to the laissez-faire approach here this week. Not me. These New York crowds are having a ball, and their fun is infectious. They are enjoying the sunshine on a public golf course in the middle of a state park. There are little kids everywhere. Compare and contrast to the history of very private Augusta National, which until seven years ago didn’t allow women to be members.

 

Koepka, who has slapped palms with hundreds of New Yorkers going hole to hole this week, told CBS Saturday afternoon that he loves the atmosphere at Bethpage Black. **“It feels," he said, "like a real sporting event.”**