What's wrong with Rickie/Ricky/Rick/Richard/Dick Fowler?

[ray9898]

> @Lancj1 said:

> Its fairly simple. From a golfing perspective he isn't quite top tier.

 

 

5 years being ranked as one of the top 20 golfers in the world isn't 'top tier'? LOL

 

 

[GoGoErky]

> @Lancj1 said:

> Its fairly simple. From a golfing perspective he isn't quite top tier.

> From a life perspective he's the best there is.

> I am a big fan. I followed him for the entire round on the Sunday at Birkdale a couple of years ago, he can play golf can young Mr fowler

 

Dude has been inside the top 10 and currently top 15...what isn’t top tier about that?

[Lancj1]

5 wins. Love the guy. Wouldn't ever bet on him winning a major

[ray9898]

> @Lancj1 said:

> One of.....I know what I mean. Loads of good finishes get you there. When was his last win ? How many wins has he had in this top 20 career ?

 

9, averaging 1 win yearly on his full time seasons. If being ranked in the top 20 of all professional golfers in the world is not 'top tier' then a rational person must question how you are defining it.

 

Hell, since he made it to the PGA tour full time he has never been ranked over 40.

[Lancj1]

I> @ray9898 said:

> > @Lancj1 said:

> > One of.....I know what I mean. Loads of good finishes get you there. When was his last win ? How many wins has he had in this top 20 career ?

>

> 9, averaging 1 win yearly on his full time seasons. If being ranked in the top 20 of all professional golfers in the world is not 'top tier' then a rational person must question how you are defining it.

 

I suppose I am influenced by what his coach, Butch Harmon, said constantly about him when he commentated on sky sports golf coverage, about his approach undermining his potential. nice guy, the mullet haircuts, the comedy facial hair. I can name the golfers who don't do that, and they are far more likely, and prolific, winners than Rick. I like him. I have no money on him to win at Portrush.

 

[Christosterone]

> @Lancj1 said:

> I> @ray9898 said:

> > > @Lancj1 said:

> > > One of.....I know what I mean. Loads of good finishes get you there. When was his last win ? How many wins has he had in this top 20 career ?

> >

> > 9, averaging 1 win yearly on his full time seasons. If being ranked in the top 20 of all professional golfers in the world is not 'top tier' then a rational person must question how you are defining it.

>

> I suppose I am influenced by what his coach, Butch Harmon, said constantly about him when he commentated on sky sports golf coverage, about his approach undermining his potential. nice guy, the mullet haircuts, the comedy facial hair. I can name the golfers who don't do that, and they are far more likely, and prolific, winners than Rick. I like him. I have no money on him to win at Portrush.

>

 

Butch needs to go back to Butch.

He was much better when Butch coached him[self]

 

-Chris

[GoGoErky]

> @Lancj1 said:

> I> @ray9898 said:

> > > @Lancj1 said:

> > > One of.....I know what I mean. Loads of good finishes get you there. When was his last win ? How many wins has he had in this top 20 career ?

> >

> > 9, averaging 1 win yearly on his full time seasons. If being ranked in the top 20 of all professional golfers in the world is not 'top tier' then a rational person must question how you are defining it.

>

> I suppose I am influenced by what his coach, Butch Harmon, said constantly about him when he commentated on sky sports golf coverage, about his approach undermining his potential. nice guy, the mullet haircuts, the comedy facial hair. I can name the golfers who don't do that, and they are far more likely, and prolific, winners than Rick. I like him. I have no money on him to win at Portrush.

>

 

So you are faulting him for doing things related to charities? As to his approach I’m assuming you are referring to what butch told him about bring a kardashian it a golfer...he’s changed that approach already.

[moonshine]

Dude is too nice for one thing...which will benefit him more in life than not. He also makes probably 3x5 million every year ...for that page 1 comment. I'm not going to say winning is not a priority but obviously playing well w/o the W suits him. As good of a putter as he is amazing he does not win more for sure.

[KRAMER1997]

> @caniac6 said:

> I wonder how much of Rickie's "problem" has to do with his switch to the TM ball? Bubba left Titleist for a year, and had a bad year. When he came back to Titleist, he won. I wonder if Rickie will be back after this year?

 

He has five top 10s this season including a win and a t9 at the Masters. Pretty sure 75% of the tour would kill for his season to date.

[Cincy_Ken]

> @KRAMER1997 said:

> > @caniac6 said:

> > I wonder how much of Rickie's "problem" has to do with his switch to the TM ball? Bubba left Titleist for a year, and had a bad year. When he came back to Titleist, he won. I wonder if Rickie will be back after this year?

>

> He has five top 10s this season including a win and a t9 at the Masters. Pretty sure 75% of the tour would kill for his season to date.

 

And he already has more wins with the new ball than he had with the old ball last year. He's ranked right around where you expect him and has already won above his average number of tournaments.

 

He's having a good year compared to his career averages.

[Loki]

Some day he will be a talking head and we will all have something else to like/gripe about...

[Railroading13]

The answer OP, is Nothing! He has a win this year, he’s in the top 20 in the world.

[freeze16172002]

> @ray9898 said:

> > @Lancj1 said:

> > Its fairly simple. From a golfing perspective he isn't quite top tier.

>

>

> 5 years being ranked as one of the top 20 golfers in the world isn't 'top tier'? LOL

>

>

 

is he in the same tier as Brooks, Rory or even Tiger? definately not, then he is not top tier......the last 5 years? did he have 5 years as good as Dustin, Brooks, Spieth, Rory, Thomas, Day, Rose, Tiger, Bubba etc....He is definately not top tier. LOL

[GoGoErky]

> @freeze16172002 said:

> > @ray9898 said:

> > > @Lancj1 said:

> > > Its fairly simple. From a golfing perspective he isn't quite top tier.

> >

> >

> > 5 years being ranked as one of the top 20 golfers in the world isn't 'top tier'? LOL

> >

> >

>

> is he in the same tier as Brooks, Rory or even Tiger? definately not, then he is not top tier......the last 5 years? did he have 5 years as good as Dustin, Brooks, Spieth, Rory, Thomas, Day, Rose, Tiger, Bubba etc....He is definately not top tier. LOL

 

Tiger has 2 wins in the last 5 years...despite him being the goat he isn’t top tier in the last 5 years if Rickie isn’t.

[LICC]

> @Railroading13 said:

> The answer OP, is Nothing! He has a win this year, he’s in the top 20 in the world.

 

Focusing on this year is off, as he is having a good year similar to his previous good years. The real question should be why has he underachieved in winning majors in his career?

[Rangeballz]

Golf is a fleeting game. It's hard to stay at the top consistently. A down year or two should be expected. Having said that, he's not had a bad year so far.

 

This trend is a little strange......Smylie pretty much gone, Jordan struggling, Rickie starting to slide a little......if I were Justin T I'd get some new friends.

[c7015]

> @GoGoErky said:

> > @freeze16172002 said:

> > > @ray9898 said:

> > > > @Lancj1 said:

> > > > Its fairly simple. From a golfing perspective he isn't quite top tier.

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> > >

> > > 5 years being ranked as one of the top 20 golfers in the world isn't 'top tier'? LOL

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> > >

> >

> > is he in the same tier as Brooks, Rory or even Tiger? definately not, then he is not top tier......the last 5 years? did he have 5 years as good as Dustin, Brooks, Spieth, Rory, Thomas, Day, Rose, Tiger, Bubba etc....He is definately not top tier. LOL

>

> Tiger has 2 wins in the last 5 years...despite him being the goat he isn’t top tier in the last 5 years if Rickie isn’t.

 

let me reframe that old a** hurt tiger has 100% more majors in the last 2 years than Healthy young Rick (but comparing almost anyone to tiger is not fair)

[Dr. Block]

Its my opinion that the main reason for the existence of this thread and the idea that Rickie is an underachiever is linked completely to the amount of saturation we receive on the guy. He happens to be incredibly marketable, that doesn't and shouldn't slight his accomplishments up to this point. He's doing just fine. Its just that the last golfer so thoroughly shoved into our lives via advertising happened to be Tiger Woods. Not many can or will ever measure up to his accomplishments. Perhaps subconsciously our expectations are a little inflated.

[scores]

The competition is fierce out on tour and more young kids coming with hunger so it does not mean Rick (not calling him Rickie)is a sub par tour player! Rory stated it clearly it’s a fine line at this level.

[Cincy_Ken]

> @Rangeballz said:

> Golf is a fleeting game. It's hard to stay at the top consistently. A down year or two should be expected. Having said that, he's not had a bad year so far.

>

> This trend is a little strange......Smylie pretty much gone, Jordan struggling, Rickie starting to slide a little......if I were Justin T I'd get some new friends.

 

I'm not a Rickie guy but how is he sliding? He's won a tournament and he's the #14 player in the world. He's got 5 wins in over 10 years on tour, even if you include his two quality Euro wins he's still well under a win per season. He's out performing his career averages and is ranked highly.

[freeze16172002]

> @GoGoErky said:

> > @freeze16172002 said:

> > > @ray9898 said:

> > > > @Lancj1 said:

> > > > Its fairly simple. From a golfing perspective he isn't quite top tier.

> > >

> > >

> > > 5 years being ranked as one of the top 20 golfers in the world isn't 'top tier'? LOL

> > >

> > >

> >

> > is he in the same tier as Brooks, Rory or even Tiger? definately not, then he is not top tier......the last 5 years? did he have 5 years as good as Dustin, Brooks, Spieth, Rory, Thomas, Day, Rose, Tiger, Bubba etc....He is definately not top tier. LOL

>

> Tiger has 2 wins in the last 5 years...despite him being the goat he isn’t top tier in the last 5 years if Rickie isn’t.

 

what you failed to mention is Tiger was ranked over 650 in the world career over, will never win again. And now he is ranked 5th with a 15th major.

[GoGoErky]

> @freeze16172002 said:

> > @GoGoErky said:

> > > @freeze16172002 said:

> > > > @ray9898 said:

> > > > > @Lancj1 said:

> > > > > Its fairly simple. From a golfing perspective he isn't quite top tier.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 5 years being ranked as one of the top 20 golfers in the world isn't 'top tier'? LOL

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > is he in the same tier as Brooks, Rory or even Tiger? definately not, then he is not top tier......the last 5 years? did he have 5 years as good as Dustin, Brooks, Spieth, Rory, Thomas, Day, Rose, Tiger, Bubba etc....He is definately not top tier. LOL

> >

> > Tiger has 2 wins in the last 5 years...despite him being the goat he isn’t top tier in the last 5 years if Rickie isn’t.

>

> what you failed to mention is Tiger was ranked over 650 in the world career over, will never win again. And now he is ranked 5th with a 15th major.

 

And as he reaches 40 events in a 2 year period that ranking will drop some.

 

[ebrasmus21]

Just came here to say lol at the title edit to this thread. Got a good chuckle out of it, well played OP

[youdamantiger]

> @Christosterone said:

> He is one of the best 30 putters on the entire planet...

> Absolutely nails when he is on...

>

> Don’t know how anyone can dislike such a nice kid...

>

> -Chris

 

“Kid?” He’s dam near 31!

[Hawkeye77]

What's wrong with You/U/Yew/Ewe?

[Christosterone]

> @youdamantiger said:

> > @Christosterone said:

> > He is one of the best 30 putters on the entire planet...

> > Absolutely nails when he is on...

> >

> > Don’t know how anyone can dislike such a nice kid...

> >

> > -Chris

>

> “Kid?” He’s dam near 31!

 

When u get old, 30 year olds are kids....

No disrespect, just a speaking in the vernacular to which I’m accustomed..

 

-Chris

 

 

[Darth Putter]

People standing in the rough deflecting his ball out of bounds.

[Dave230]

There is no technical reason why he doesn't win more. Fowler is a very good links player, plays well at target golf. Pretty much does everything well and putts really well.

But it often feels like he's only ever among the best in any given week and doesn't have the extra gear you need to win lots of tournaments. McIlroy may be flaky and not fancy it sometimes, but when he does he can separate himself from the field. Fowler has to have everything working at its best to win.

[RainShadow]

Another Sunday fade.....shame.

Sure wish he’d win a Major sometime soon.....

Too many doubles.....a lot of good shots in between. Tough day.

[DrivingChamp]

Nothing he’s the same guy he’s been his whole career