2019 Northern Trust @ Liberty National, NJ

[JD3]

> @LICC said:

> > @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> > Question and I have no idea as I’ve never played either ... liberty national is considered a poor course design by the pros based on previous voting. Could they play this at Bayonne? Same views I believe. I assume the owner of LN (freeman?) buys the event??? But Bayonne is considered a better course, right?

>

> I’ve played LN but not Bayonne. LN is underrated. It’s not among the best courses in the world but it is very very good. The course challenges and variety are terrific and fairly designed. It has a mixed aesthetic- some holes are the finely manicured type playing along clearly fake ponds, others are more dunesy and natural looking. The greens and green sites are mainly decently challenging. I think some of the greens and some holes were a bit over the top when it first opened and players complained. They have been redone since then. Supposedly after the Presidents Cup in 2017 the players gave better feedback on the course.

> From what I’ve read about Bayonne, it is great but much too small (overall property), narrow, and short to hold a PGA tournament.

 

I've not played but thatd be my question: why some holes look modern / fazio-stuff, and others more natural linksland. The latter on that course look better imo and it would have been better if the whole course just looked that way. Throw in some odd rectangular shaped and crowned greens, and now we're taking. Some of the criticisms about the OB being too tight are unfair ...for example carnoustie and other BO courses have tight OB holes, some even interior OB, to accommodate train tracks and other structures etc.

[North Butte]

> @JD3 said:

> > @LICC said:

> > > @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> > > Question and I have no idea as I’ve never played either ... liberty national is considered a poor course design by the pros based on previous voting. Could they play this at Bayonne? Same views I believe. I assume the owner of LN (freeman?) buys the event??? But Bayonne is considered a better course, right?

> >

> > I’ve played LN but not Bayonne. LN is underrated. It’s not among the best courses in the world but it is very very good. The course challenges and variety are terrific and fairly designed. It has a mixed aesthetic- some holes are the finely manicured type playing along clearly fake ponds, others are more dunesy and natural looking. The greens and green sites are mainly decently challenging. I think some of the greens and some holes were a bit over the top when it first opened and players complained. They have been redone since then. Supposedly after the Presidents Cup in 2017 the players gave better feedback on the course.

> > From what I’ve read about Bayonne, it is great but much too small (overall property), narrow, and short to hold a PGA tournament.

>

> I've not played but thatd be my question: why some holes look modern / fazio-stuff, and others more natural linksland. The latter on that course look better imo and it would have been better if the whole course just looked that way. Throw in some odd rectangular shaped and crowned greens, and now we're taking. Some of the criticisms about the OB being too tight are unfair ...for example carnoustie and other BO courses have tight OB holes, some even interior OB, to accommodate train tracks and other structures etc.

 

Is this the one on reclaimed land from a garbage dump? If so, the fact it looks fake or manufactured or contrived is 100% the fault of whatever big name genius they hired to shape the golf course. With the budget they had to work with, the place was practically a blank canvas.

[Soloman1]

They should have kept the dump and oil tanks and make everyone play in hazmat suits. Hey, at least it'd be something different, right?

[bscinstnct]

[DatSliceDoe]

Tiger WD. No reason given yet.

[LICC]

> @DatSliceDoe said:

> Tiger WD. No reason given yet.

 

Says oblique strain

[caseFSU]

Oblique strain

[cardoustie]

seems like '19 Masters will be Tiger's answer to Jack's '86

[JD3]

No reason to doubt him and if he was missing cut anyway wise not to push it. Honestly I think it's healthy for the tournament too to let the players in the lead get the spotlight early, rather than a straining, underperforming tiger.

[DatSliceDoe]

I've had one oblique strain and tried to play through it. Not a good idea. Hopefully this doesn't knock him out of the cup entirely, but he has no shot anyway even so. May as well shut it down for the year and reassess. I don't think we've seen it all yet, but if we have - what a ride.

 

My bet is still on Dustin for this thing.

[OldTomMorris]

> @cardoustie said:

> seems like '19 Masters will be Tiger's answer to Jack's '86

 

A mate of mine said that at the time and I thought it was way too early to make that prediction but it looks more and more likely now. It was spectacular win and would be a great exclamation point.

[OldTomMorris]

Jordan Spieth now @ -10, one shot in the lead from Justin Rose and Troy Merritt.

[Cincy_Ken]

> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @cardoustie said:

> > seems like '19 Masters will be Tiger's answer to Jack's '86

>

> A mate of mine said that at the time and I thought it was way too early to make that prediction but it looks more and more likely now. It was spectacular win and would be a great exclamation point.

 

At the time Tiger had a good run of healthy play. Ever since his health has been an issue and back/back related issues don't seem to get better with time. There would have been no reason to think the Masters was the end point but I'm wondering if 82 is even in doubt at this point. My guess is he still gets 2-3 more but I'm willing to say there's no way he can sustain health long enough where winning multiple more majors is on the table.

[bscinstnct]

> @OldTomMorris said:

> Jordan Spieth now @ -10, one shot in the lead from Justin Rose and Troy Merritt.

 

Speef win the Fedex cup like,

 

 

[tiderider]

> @"North Butte" said:

> > @JD3 said:

> > > @LICC said:

> > > > @"Oliver Klozoff" said:

> > > > Question and I have no idea as I’ve never played either ... liberty national is considered a poor course design by the pros based on previous voting. Could they play this at Bayonne? Same views I believe. I assume the owner of LN (freeman?) buys the event??? But Bayonne is considered a better course, right?

> > >

> > > I’ve played LN but not Bayonne. LN is underrated. It’s not among the best courses in the world but it is very very good. The course challenges and variety are terrific and fairly designed. It has a mixed aesthetic- some holes are the finely manicured type playing along clearly fake ponds, others are more dunesy and natural looking. The greens and green sites are mainly decently challenging. I think some of the greens and some holes were a bit over the top when it first opened and players complained. They have been redone since then. Supposedly after the Presidents Cup in 2017 the players gave better feedback on the course.

> > > From what I’ve read about Bayonne, it is great but much too small (overall property), narrow, and short to hold a PGA tournament.

> >

> > I've not played but thatd be my question: why some holes look modern / fazio-stuff, and others more natural linksland. The latter on that course look better imo and it would have been better if the whole course just looked that way. Throw in some odd rectangular shaped and crowned greens, and now we're taking. Some of the criticisms about the OB being too tight are unfair ...for example carnoustie and other BO courses have tight OB holes, some even interior OB, to accommodate train tracks and other structures etc.

>

> Is this the one on reclaimed land from a garbage dump? If so, the fact it looks fake or manufactured or contrived is 100% the fault of whatever big name genius they hired to shape the golf course. With the budget they had to work with, the place was practically a blank canvas.

 

 

> > > > Question and I have no idea as I’ve never played either ... liberty national is considered a poor course design by the pros based on previous voting. Could they play this at Bayonne? Same views I believe. I assume the owner of LN (freeman?) buys the event??? But Bayonne is considered a better course, right?

> > >

> > > I’ve played LN but not Bayonne. LN is underrated. It’s not among the best courses in the world but it is very very good. The course challenges and variety are terrific and fairly designed. It has a mixed aesthetic- some holes are the finely manicured type playing along clearly fake ponds, others are more dunesy and natural looking. The greens and green sites are mainly decently challenging. I think some of the greens and some holes were a bit over the top when it first opened and players complained. They have been redone since then. Supposedly after the Presidents Cup in 2017 the players gave better feedback on the course.

> > > From what I’ve read about Bayonne, it is great but much too small (overall property), narrow, and short to hold a PGA tournament.

> >

> > I've not played but thatd be my question: why some holes look modern / fazio-stuff, and others more natural linksland. The latter on that course look better imo and it would have been better if the whole course just looked that way. Throw in some odd rectangular shaped and crowned greens, and now we're taking. Some of the criticisms about the OB being too tight are unfair ...for example carnoustie and other BO courses have tight OB holes, some even interior OB, to accommodate train tracks and other structures etc.

>

> Is this the one on reclaimed land from a garbage dump? If so, the fact it looks fake or manufactured or contrived is 100% the fault of whatever big name genius they hired to shape the golf course. With the budget they had to work with, the place was practically a blank canvas.

 

they didn't have a 'budget' to work with ... they had to spend tens of millions of dollars stripping out the top soil and a bunch of dirt underneath that, and replacing it with something that wouldn't kill the golfers when they walked on it ... then they had to shape the course ... it may not be the "best" course, design wise, but it's still impressive what they did, or that they wanted to do it in the first place ...

[Titleist_PT23]

> @OldTomMorris said:

> Jordan Spieth now @ -10, one shot in the lead from Justin Rose and Troy Merritt.

Interesting to see where he ends up, given a lot of people haven't teed off yet. Still two good days making birdies and keeping the problems off the card (at least 34 holes so far).

[cardoustie]

YJS has not been great on weekends.

[OldTomMorris]

> @cardoustie said:

> YJS has not been great on weekends.

 

Yes, the numbers confirm that.

2019 Round 3 scoring average 71.19 ranked 172nd

2019 Round 4 scoring average 73.00 ranked 195th

[wildcatden]

Who is the new guy Jordan Spieth at the top of the board?

[North Butte]

> @wildcatden said:

> Who is the new guy Jordan Spieth at the top of the board?

 

Seems like a promising young fellow. Bet he wins a major one of these days.

[Birdie Mac]

> @"North Butte" said:

> > @wildcatden said:

> > Who is the new guy Jordan Spieth at the top of the board?

>

> Seems like a promising young fellow. Bet he wins a major one of these days.

 

With that chicken wing swing? C'mon.

[North Butte]

> @"Birdie Mac" said:

> > @"North Butte" said:

> > > @wildcatden said:

> > > Who is the new guy Jordan Spieth at the top of the board?

> >

> > Seems like a promising young fellow. Bet he wins a major one of these days.

>

> With that chicken wing swing? C'mon.

 

You've got a point. That's hacker action right there.

 

And he really needs to learn to control his temper, maybe take up smokeless tobacco or something to calm down.

[Moleman]

Just arrived in the US from sunny Northern Ireland, woohoo!!

 

Quick question, why can I not find this anywhere on my tv, house has the spectrum package but golf channel is showing the ladies golf and nbcsn is showing NASCAR!! Where is the golf?! ?

[idrive]

> @Moleman said:

> Just arrived in the US from sunny Northern Ireland, woohoo!!

>

> Quick question, why can I not find this anywhere on my tv, house has the spectrum package but golf channel is showing the ladies golf and nbcsn is showing NASCAR!! Where is the golf?! ?

 

Welcome to our partial tournament coverage. hang in there, another 45 minutes from now GC should have it.

[QuigleyDU]

Brooks must not be that interested in the northern trust open title.

[caseFSU]

Man, I can't stand Webb Simpson.

[QuigleyDU]

> @caseFSU said:

> Man, I can't stand Webb Simpson.

 

Did he ask the camera to move away so the could not hear what he was saying??

[Krt22]

> @caseFSU said:

> Man, I can't stand Webb Simpson.

 

Quite the lash he puts on the ball

[DatSliceDoe]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> Brooks must not be that interested in the northern trust open title.

 

Maybe if they put the word "Championship" in it he'd play up to his potential.

[QuigleyDU]

> @DatSliceDoe said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > Brooks must not be that interested in the northern trust open title.

>

> Maybe if they put the word "Championship" in it he'd play up to his potential.

 

 

Ha! or world, or something like that.