Speeder Evo VII Release

[Jaywh2]

Does anyone know anything about this shaft. Lots of Japan websites have it listed already but haven’t heard anything here in the US. Thanks 

[Fujikura Golf]

more to come on this in a few weeks...

[Landy]

3 minutes ago, Fujikura Golf said:

more to come on this in a few weeks...

Not nice! ?

[getitdaily]

On 9/10/2020 at 12:20 PM, Fujikura Golf said:

more to come on this in a few weeks...

I'm a Fuji fan but the evo line befuddles me. It's very watered down and the versioning just makes it really confusing on what to even think. The only reason I have an evo in one of my woods is because mizuno put it in a line a couple years ago so I was able to hit it. Of nor for that, I wouldn't have considered it. Just way too hard to know what shaft does what. 

[tripleH]

Per Tourspecgolf. Com

 

https://www.tourspecgolf.com/fujikura-speeder-evolution-vii-shaft.html

 

Introducing Fujikura Speeder Evolution VII Shaft. Pursue a great carry with a large carry by "evolution of a new sense of acceleration".

An updated grip with a rigid design that matches the latest head. It also helps to stabilize the swing rhythm by combining the ease of switching back and forth.

Furthermore, the impact zone that can be pushed in is realized by the ultra-high elastic carbon fiber plain weave sheet "70t carbon cloth" used in EVO VI. Experience a new sense of acceleration.

FEATURES

Super high elasticity carbon fiber plain weave sheet "70t carbon cloth"

Carbon cloth (plain fabric) has very little gap between layers, suppresses blurring at impact, and improves stability in distance and direction. By using a cloth of ultra-high elasticity 70t, it improves the feeling of flipping and changes the feeling of hitting. It is a shaft with low energy loss and excellent transmission efficiency

Multi-hoop ply laminated design

The deformation of the shaft is suppressed by using two hoop layers that suppress crushing to be laminated on the inner and outer layers of the shaft. A proper amount of bending enhances swing reproducibility.

Fujikura Composite "Copper foil sheet" made by patented MCT® technology

By stacking copper foil under the grip, you can prevent the hand from floating from the turning back to the impact zone. Realized a solid impact at speed.

MCT® technology

Center of gravity adjustment technology to maximize carbon design freedom. Fujikura shaft's latest technology enables carbon and metal composites.

[Morry]

MASSIVE Fan of the Evo3

looking for an update of that shaft 

this it?.....Hoping

 

 

[elcgolf]

21 hours ago, getitdaily said:

I'm a Fuji fan but the evo line befuddles me. It's very watered down and the versioning just makes it really confusing on what to even think. The only reason I have an evo in one of my woods is because mizuno put it in a line a couple years ago so I was able to hit it. Of nor for that, I wouldn't have considered it. Just way too hard to know what shaft does what. 

Completely agree! This is a marketing nightmare and they’re not following the golden rule, stop iterating after 4! They’re missing out on a great marketing opportunity of launching a new product with a stand-alone name and piquing interest, instead these are getting lost in the shuffle with the 7 other iterations. Same goes for the Attas — great shafts but can’t differentiate and have given up on the brand.  So much about shafts these days is the cool factor, these just don’t have it. 

[Valtiel]

14 hours ago, tripleH said:

Per Tourspecgolf. Com

 

https://www.tourspecgolf.com/fujikura-speeder-evolution-vii-shaft.html

 

Introducing Fujikura Speeder Evolution VII Shaft. Pursue a great carry with a large carry by "evolution of a new sense of acceleration".

An updated grip with a rigid design that matches the latest head. It also helps to stabilize the swing rhythm by combining the ease of switching back and forth.

Furthermore, the impact zone that can be pushed in is realized by the ultra-high elastic carbon fiber plain weave sheet "70t carbon cloth" used in EVO VI. Experience a new sense of acceleration.

FEATURES

Super high elasticity carbon fiber plain weave sheet "70t carbon cloth"

Carbon cloth (plain fabric) has very little gap between layers, suppresses blurring at impact, and improves stability in distance and direction. By using a cloth of ultra-high elasticity 70t, it improves the feeling of flipping and changes the feeling of hitting. It is a shaft with low energy loss and excellent transmission efficiency

Multi-hoop ply laminated design

The deformation of the shaft is suppressed by using two hoop layers that suppress crushing to be laminated on the inner and outer layers of the shaft. A proper amount of bending enhances swing reproducibility.

Fujikura Composite "Copper foil sheet" made by patented MCT® technology

By stacking copper foil under the grip, you can prevent the hand from floating from the turning back to the impact zone. Realized a solid impact at speed.

MCT® technology

Center of gravity adjustment technology to maximize carbon design freedom. Fujikura shaft's latest technology enables carbon and metal composites.

Thanks for the info! I've been dying for a solution to my floating hand turning back problem. ?

[Jack Pearsall]

 

He loves the kick the speeder has....

Edited October 26, 2020 by Jack Pearsall

[Fujikura Golf]

On 9/12/2020 at 7:34 AM, elcgolf said:

Completely agree! This is a marketing nightmare and they’re not following the golden rule, stop iterating after 4! They’re missing out on a great marketing opportunity of launching a new product with a stand-alone name and piquing interest, instead these are getting lost in the shuffle with the 7 other iterations. Same goes for the Attas — great shafts but can’t differentiate and have given up on the brand.  So much about shafts these days is the cool factor, these just don’t have it. 

 

We appreciate the feedback and we know it can be challenging at times to keep up with shafts including the Speeder line. The Speeder line is developed by our counterparts at our Tokyo offices and produced at our Japan facility. They have continued to innovate the Evolution line with new materials & design methodologies, but have kept the naming and cosmetics consistent which could lead to some confusion as to how they differentiate. That being said, their recipe for this global product has been incredibly successful worldwide, particularly in Japan and in the Japan OEM market. The Japan market is considerably different from others, especially here in the states, so we do our best to meet the needs of all of the global markets we sell in, but at times there certainly can be confusion due to the global nature of the product line. SPEEDER is one of those brands that is so strong in our industry and for our company that we can't easily retire it and move on. It is part of our history and success.

 

We here at Fujikura Composite America (based in Carlsbad, CA) have a different team, mindsets and methodologies about how we not only develop products but how we bring them to market. As some of you may know from events we've done like the Fuji ventus Experience, we have a full team of engineers, sales, marketing, technicians, etc at our US HQ. When we develop products, we do our best to make the product stories clear and easy to understand for not only our clubfitters, but for golfers like you. Examples like ATMOS and Ventus with the 3 color launch system are ways in which we've strived to differentiate them and easy to grasp. And keep in mind our goals and intended target markets can vary from our Japan team's at times; i.e. Tour only, clubfitters only, etc.

 

Again, we appreciate any and all feedback you guys have for us. We're on the forums very frequently reading what you have to say and we do our best to disseminate the feedback throughout our global organization so that we can learn and always strive to improve.

 

EVO 7 is a great part and we're confident that clubfitters will have success with it and it will also be successful on global professional Tours. More to come!

[getitdaily]

On 9/12/2020 at 10:34 AM, elcgolf said:

Completely agree! This is a marketing nightmare and they’re not following the golden rule, stop iterating after 4! They’re missing out on a great marketing opportunity of launching a new product with a stand-alone name and piquing interest, instead these are getting lost in the shuffle with the 7 other iterations. Same goes for the Attas — great shafts but can’t differentiate and have given up on the brand.  So much about shafts these days is the cool factor, these just don’t have it. 

Graphite design is exactly the same. They've got about 12 shafts in the tour ad line. I couldn't tell you which did what and I stay away from them because there are too many options. I'm a tweener guy...between blue and black, I tend to go blue and then tip it. Wish they'd get more simple. Ventus was perfect...red/blue/black with some new tech in the tip section. Easy.

[SUMM1T]

39 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Graphite design is exactly the same. They've got about 12 shafts in the tour ad line. I couldn't tell you which did what and I stay away from them because there are too many options. I'm a tweener guy...between blue and black, I tend to go blue and then tip it. Wish they'd get more simple. Ventus was perfect...red/blue/black with some new tech in the tip section. Easy.

 

You're comparing a new line to an older line, not apples to apples there. Who knows where Ventus will go and how it will evolve. It's also IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone. While the few of you here have complained about the "difficulty" with how many shafts available in a certain line, others have complained about how the previous gen didn't perform like they wanted. It's not really that hard to keep up with Graphite Designs shaft list. They make it fairly easy to figure out what each shaft does and who it's designed for, just requires a little work on our end to take the time to read through their information. 

[Jaywh2]

1 hour ago, Fujikura Golf said:

 

We appreciate the feedback and we know it can be challenging at times to keep up with shafts including the Speeder line. The Speeder line is developed by our counterparts at our Tokyo offices and produced at our Japan facility. They have continued to innovate the Evolution line with new materials & design methodologies, but have kept the naming and cosmetics consistent which could lead to some confusion as to how they differentiate. That being said, their recipe for this global product has been incredibly successful worldwide, particularly in Japan and in the Japan OEM market. The Japan market is considerably different from others, especially here in the states, so we do our best to meet the needs of all of the global markets we sell in, but at times there certainly can be confusion due to the global nature of the product line. SPEEDER is one of those brands that is so strong in our industry and for our company that we can't easily retire it and move on. It is part of our history and success.

 

We here at Fujikura Composite America (based in Carlsbad, CA) have a different team, mindsets and methodologies about how we not only develop products but how we bring them to market. As some of you may know from events we've done like the Fuji ventus Experience, we have a full team of engineers, sales, marketing, technicians, etc at our US HQ. When we develop products, we do our best to make the product stories clear and easy to understand for not only our clubfitters, but for golfers like you. Examples like ATMOS and Ventus with the 3 color launch system are ways in which we've strived to differentiate them and easy to grasp. And keep in mind our goals and intended target markets can vary from our Japan team's at times; i.e. Tour only, clubfitters only, etc.

 

Again, we appreciate any and all feedback you guys have for us. We're on the forums very frequently reading what you have to say and we do our best to disseminate the feedback throughout our global organization so that we can learn and always strive to improve.

 

EVO 7 is a great part and we're confident that clubfitters will have success with it and it will also be successful on global professional Tours. More to come!

Thanks Fujikura guys. Your shafts are the best. I find your shaft profiles easy to follow and the spec sheets that show tip and butt flexes is always spot on. Keep up the great work. Will always play your shafts 

Edited September 14, 2020 by Jaywh2

[getitdaily]

17 minutes ago, SUMM1T said:

 

You're comparing a new line to an older line, not apples to apples there. Who knows where Ventus will go and how it will evolve. It's also IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone. While the few of you here have complained about the "difficulty" with how many shafts available in a certain line, others have complained about how the previous gen didn't perform like they wanted. It's not really that hard to keep up with Graphite Designs shaft list. They make it fairly easy to figure out what each shaft does and who it's designed for, just requires a little work on our end to take the time to read through their information. 

Meh. I'm a feel guy. I know in 1 swing if a shaft will work or not. Graphite design can tell me a shaft is butt firm, mid soft, tip firm all they want. Until I hit it, it is all spec gumbo. 

 

Great example, in the speeder line, the evo 2 and evo 3 are listed as very, very similar shafts. They feel a lot the same. But I couldn't keep the evo3 on the planet while the evo2 produced supremely consistent results. 

 

I have to hit shafts before committing. Black/blue/red makes it simple.

AD DI

AD TP

AD IZ

AD BB

AD RSTLNE

 

No idea where to even start.

[SUMM1T]

1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

Meh. I'm a feel guy. I know in 1 swing if a shaft will work or not. Graphite design can tell me a shaft is butt firm, mid soft, tip firm all they want. Until I hit it, it is all spec gumbo. 

 

Great example, in the speeder line, the evo 2 and evo 3 are listed as very, very similar shafts. They feel a lot the same. But I couldn't keep the evo3 on the planet while the evo2 produced supremely consistent results. 

 

I have to hit shafts before committing. Black/blue/red makes it simple.

AD DI

AD TP

AD IZ

AD BB

AD RSTLNE

 

No idea where to even start.

 

 

It's not the OEMs responsibility to ensure every golfer is taken care of in terms of figuring out what shaft they need, as we all learn that differently. That's why fitters exist. I understand that you're a feel player, but if you took the time to look back and learn what the feel translates to in an EI Profile wise, you would start to hone in on what profile suits you. There are a good amount of great resources out there at our disposal that we can study and learn what profiles are out there, some of them are free while others aren't. 

 

I would also say, unless you're Tiger Woods or at his caliber in terms of feel, you can't tell in 1 swing if you like the shaft. Swings change, feel changes and our bodies change daily. Sometimes it's a process to dial in what works best for us. 

[getitdaily]

5 minutes ago, SUMM1T said:

 

 

It's not the OEMs responsibility to ensure every golfer is taken care of in terms of figuring out what shaft they need, as we all learn that differently. That's why fitters exist. I understand that you're a feel player, but if you took the time to look back and learn what the feel translates to in an EI Profile wise, you would start to hone in on what profile suits you. There are a good amount of great resources out there at our disposal that we can study and learn what profiles are out there, some of them are free while others aren't. 

 

I would also say, unless you're Tiger Woods or at his caliber in terms of feel, you can't tell in 1 swing if you like the shaft. Swings change, feel changes and our bodies change daily. Sometimes it's a process to dial in what works best for us. 

EI profiles aren't readily available though. And not all fitters have all shafts...I'd be surprised if you found anyone that had all of the GD shafts. Club champion in Orlando only has the last few speeder evo releases.

 

And I can tell in one swing if a shaft will work. I'm very sensitive to bend, swingweight, overall weight, etc. I can feel a difference of as little as 3g in the head. I can usually guess swingweight just based on feel to within 1.5 points. 

 

If you put a soft butt shaft like a black profile in my hands then I can tell you right away and I can tell you I'll miss left with it. I could tell it in the first swing of the 2nd gen rogue silver. It had a very different feel than 1st gen. Not everyone is that sensitive. 

 

I disagree that it's not the oem's responsibility. They are trying to sell product. That means they are responsible for whether or not their product sells....or doesn't. The more work I have to do to buy something that works, the less likely I'm going to look.at said product. 2 reasons I'm in a speeder evo2 in my 3wood.

1. It was one of 4 speeder models out when I wanted to try it. So the profile was easy to understand. 

2. It was in a jpx 3wood and i was able to hit it.

 

It fit my profile liking and it felt good. Done.

[SUMM1T]

1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

EI profiles aren't readily available though. And not all fitters have all shafts...I'd be surprised if you found anyone that had all of the GD shafts. Club champion in Orlando only has the last few speeder evo releases.

 

And I can tell in one swing if a shaft will work. I'm very sensitive to bend, swingweight, overall weight, etc. I can feel a difference of as little as 3g in the head. I can usually guess swingweight just based on feel to within 1.5 points. 

 

If you put a soft butt shaft like a black profile in my hands then I can tell you right away and I can tell you I'll miss left with it. I could tell it in the first swing of the 2nd gen rogue silver. It had a very different feel than 1st gen. Not everyone is that sensitive. 

 

I disagree that it's not the oem's responsibility. They are trying to sell product. That means they are responsible for whether or not their product sells....or doesn't. The more work I have to do to buy something that works, the less likely I'm going to look.at said product. 2 reasons I'm in a speeder evo2 in my 3wood.

1. It was one of 4 speeder models out when I wanted to try it. So the profile was easy to understand. 

2. It was in a jpx 3wood and i was able to hit it.

 

It fit my profile liking and it felt good. Done.

 

EI Profiles are available, some with a cost invovled (S3 Fitting). The point of a fitter is not to have every shaft from every manufacturer, but to know what's out there and how it relates to YOU specifically as a golfer. It's their job to know all of the details and filter all of the possibilities into a few selections. I carry almost all of the Graphite Design shafts that are relevant in todays market, not in all flexes though. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if you're a good guesser on feels, but I highly doubt you're as accurate as you think. I agree that not everyone is as sensitive as you say you are. 

 

OEMs can sell a product very well WITHOUT having to ensure their product line is easily managed by EVERYONE. That's an impossible task, as we all learn and engage differently. You're proof of that, you need to literally hit the shaft and then you'll know if it's right for you. How does an OEM cater to your needs on their website?

 

The same shaft in another head may react differently enough to cause you to like/dislike it more. The weights of the heads, the depth of the bore, if there is an adapter or if it's a fixed hosel etc. All of those factor into "feel" and how each shafts reacts. Another thing you're missing as well is the ability to tip a profile to make it act more like another profile. I've had tremendous success tipping the Ventus Red 1.5" or so on faster players for their fairway woods and it's stiffened it up quite a bit. 

[tripleH]

@ Fujikura Hows does the Speeder TR fall into the Evolution Line and why is there not much chatter about it. The Carbon weave is much stronger and I have experienced the lowest spin and tightest dispersion with it. Shaft is a smooth as silk and super stable without feeling overly boardy. Tested it against the Ventus and the TR was in a class of its own. I have heard this shaft is the super popular in Japan and if true then why is it so under appreciated here in on our side of the Pond? 

[getitdaily]

12 hours ago, SUMM1T said:

 

EI Profiles are available, some with a cost invovled (S3 Fitting). The point of a fitter is not to have every shaft from every manufacturer, but to know what's out there and how it relates to YOU specifically as a golfer. It's their job to know all of the details and filter all of the possibilities into a few selections. I carry almost all of the Graphite Design shafts that are relevant in todays market, not in all flexes though. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if you're a good guesser on feels, but I highly doubt you're as accurate as you think. I agree that not everyone is as sensitive as you say you are. 

 

OEMs can sell a product very well WITHOUT having to ensure their product line is easily managed by EVERYONE. That's an impossible task, as we all learn and engage differently. You're proof of that, you need to literally hit the shaft and then you'll know if it's right for you. How does an OEM cater to your needs on their website?

 

The same shaft in another head may react differently enough to cause you to like/dislike it more. The weights of the heads, the depth of the bore, if there is an adapter or if it's a fixed hosel etc. All of those factor into "feel" and how each shafts reacts. Another thing you're missing as well is the ability to tip a profile to make it act more like another profile. I've had tremendous success tipping the Ventus Red 1.5" or so on faster players for their fairway woods and it's stiffened it up quite a bit. 

I am very well aware of the effects of tipping a shaft. Good luck with your fittings.

 

Btw, in your fittings, how do you account for a player who could benefit from a shorter shaft or a player who needs lighter or heavier swingweight?

[SUMM1T]

12 hours ago, getitdaily said:

I am very well aware of the effects of tipping a shaft. Good luck with your fittings.

 

Btw, in your fittings, how do you account for a player who could benefit from a shorter shaft or a player who needs lighter or heavier swingweight?

 

With regards to swingweight, I start with the lightest possible configuration with the weights and I have extra weights to get swingweight up, if needed, we use lead tape  and then when it comes to the build, we use weights and/or hot melt. As far as length, choke up on the shaft if we need to or I do carry some 5 wood length shafts in certain models.

[4rheel]

On 9/15/2020 at 3:25 AM, tripleH said:

@ Fujikura Hows does the Speeder TR fall into the Evolution Line and why is there not much chatter about it. The Carbon weave is much stronger and I have experienced the lowest spin and tightest dispersion with it. Shaft is a smooth as silk and super stable without feeling overly boardy. Tested it against the Ventus and the TR was in a class of its own. I have heard this shaft is the super popular in Japan and if true then why is it so under appreciated here in on our side of the Pond? 

The Speeder TR is my favorite Fuji shaft but look forward to the new Evo VII. I love to try different shafts but always return to the TR which I believe is an older "recipe" with updated materials. Just finished experimenting with the Ventus Black and although it's a fantastic shaft developed by the Carlsbad team, I'm back with the TR.

[Morry]

On 9/12/2020 at 6:44 AM, Morry said:

MASSIVE Fan of the Evo3

looking for an update of that shaft 

this it?.....Hoping

 

 

Anyone help me with this? 

[liveagua]

On 9/11/2020 at 11:50 AM, getitdaily said:

I'm a Fuji fan but the evo line befuddles me. It's very watered down and the versioning just makes it really confusing on what to even think. The only reason I have an evo in one of my woods is because mizuno put it in a line a couple years ago so I was able to hit it. Of nor for that, I wouldn't have considered it. Just way too hard to know what shaft does what. 

As a fitter, I love the Evo line. Lots of choices and feels. I understand how it would be confusing for the novice, but make no mistake, they aren't watered down at all. I play an Evo IV in my driver and have lots of Evos in my clients' clubs. I can't wait for the Evo VII. 

[getitdaily]

13 minutes ago, liveagua said:

As a fitter, I love the Evo line. Lots of choices and feels. I understand how it would be confusing for the novice, but make no mistake, they aren't watered down at all. I play an Evo IV in my driver and have lots of Evos in my clients' clubs. I can't wait for the Evo VII. 

I'm a big speeder fan. Evo2 in my 3wood. But the line has a marketing issue. I'm not going to pay $100 to get fit into a $350 shaft. Also don't need to. 125msi rogue in my driver gives me all good numbers.

[Morry]

anyone have a profile on this shaft???

 

It is a redo of which model ?

 

thanks

[Jaywh2]

https://fujikuragolf.com/woods/speeder-evolution-vii
 

 

[QuigleyDU]

On 9/14/2020 at 11:37 AM, SUMM1T said:

 

You're comparing a new line to an older line, not apples to apples there. Who knows where Ventus will go and how it will evolve. It's also IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone. While the few of you here have complained about the "difficulty" with how many shafts available in a certain line, others have complained about how the previous gen didn't perform like they wanted. It's not really that hard to keep up with Graphite Designs shaft list. They make it fairly easy to figure out what each shaft does and who it's designed for, just requires a little work on our end to take the time to read through their information. 

I am calling for a counter balanced ventus. Call it the ventus white. White shaft black lettering and graphics.. tell me that’s not a great idea??!!

[Morry]

1 hour ago, Jaywh2 said:

https://fujikuragolf.com/woods/speeder-evolution-vii
 

 

SO IF I LOVED EVO3....would this be the one?

 

I tired evo5, but it didn't feel or launch/kick for me like Evo3 did 

 

any one have view or insight?

much appreciated

 

 

[Fujikura Golf]

On 9/28/2020 at 6:06 PM, Morry said:

SO IF I LOVED EVO3....would this be the one?

 

I tired evo5, but it didn't feel or launch/kick for me like Evo3 did 

 

any one have view or insight?

much appreciated

 

 

Evo 5 is the closest to Evo 3 as far as launch and spin, 5 was the replacement for 3 basically. if you like Evo 3 then Ventus Red would be a great option for you to try, both have fairly soft tips relatively speaking.

Evo 7 feels much different than 3 with that pitch woven 70t in there and it will launch lower and spin less than 3. Evo 7 is seeming close to Evo 2 in our testing.

 

We realize the #s can be confusing, we do our best to try and position these shafts in a way you can understand. Let me know of any other questions.

[getitdaily]

8 hours ago, Fujikura Golf said:

Evo 5 is the closest to Evo 3 as far as launch and spin, 5 was the replacement for 3 basically. if you like Evo 3 then Ventus Red would be a great option for you to try, both have fairly soft tips relatively speaking.

Evo 7 feels much different than 3 with that pitch woven 70t in there and it will launch lower and spin less than 3. Evo 7 is seeming close to Evo 2 in our testing.

 

We realize the #s can be confusing, we do our best to try and position these shafts in a way you can understand. Let me know of any other questions.

Evo2 was the best shaft out of the line. Have one in my 3wood. Played it in my driver for a bit. Really good shaft. But I got just a tad better smash factor with my 125msi rogue. 

 

Is evo7 counter balanced? Does it have the same feel as the evo2?