Anyone Have An Idea of What TM’s Driver Plans Are for 2022?

[BourbonBalls44]

I arrived home yesterday to find mine sitting on the front porch.  Pretty surprising, never received any form of shipping notification.  For reference, ordered from TM on 1/4.  Anyone have knowledge on if there is a prior model of adapters that will fit these (Stealth Plus)?

[SMUGamer]

On 1/22/2022 at 2:59 PM, SwooshLT said:

 

And this is requested by you for EVERY release?  C'mon man

Of course NOT. Only when a company claims something as revolutionary. Not a minor tweak of their driver head tech from one generation to the next, so let's not minimize this. Do you NOT believe these claims deserve the same level of scrutiny and skepticism that Eli Callaway endured when he first introduced Titanium (but got it right)?

(Thanks for the tag and heads up on the other thread @SwooshLT)

 

GOLF;New Club Alchemy Changes Steel to Titanium - The New York Times

Edited January 24, 2022 by SMUGamer

[505]

15 minutes ago, SMUGamer said:

Of course NOT. Only when a company claims something as revolutionary. Not a minor tweak of their driver head tech from one generation to the next, so let's not minimize this. Do you NOT believe these claims deserve the same level of scrutiny and skepticism that Eli Callaway endured when he first introduced Titanium (but got it right)?

(Thanks for the tag and heads up on the other thread @SwooshLT)

 

GOLF;New Club Alchemy Changes Steel to Titanium - The New York Times

 

You just can't let it go can you? Dude, we get it. Move on.

[SwooshLT]

13 minutes ago, SMUGamer said:

Of course NOT. Only when a company claims something as revolutionary. Not a minor tweak of their driver head tech from one generation to the next, so let's not minimize this. Do you NOT believe these claims deserve the same level of scrutiny and skepticism that Eli Callaway endured when he first introduced Titanium (but got it right)?

(Thanks for the tag and heads up on the other thread @SwooshLT)

 

GOLF;New Club Alchemy Changes Steel to Titanium - The New York Times

 

But we saw this we EPIC/JAILBREAK, no? Reinforcement of the structure for faster ballspeeds.......

 

But again , in the hands of the masses gains won't be apparent over anything under 10-15yrs ago.......consistency is where this should shine. 

 

U R welcome 😁 on that thread......TAYLORMADE has made so many great heads ; options for all......find right shaft and away you go!

[ian-500]

Had a session on the range with the Stealth Plus and Kaili 60s and compared it to my newly acquired XR16 sz. They looked similar to one another at address which I really liked, but I preferred the feel/sound of my XR. As the Kaili didn't suit me the ballflight was a bit of a mixture. The XR was a tight low/mid draw. Need to test the other new drivers soon.

[SMUGamer]

11 minutes ago, SwooshLT said:

 

But we saw this we EPIC/JAILBREAK, no? Reinforcement of the structure for faster ballspeeds.......

 

But again , in the hands of the masses gains won't be apparent over anything under 10-15yrs ago.......consistency is where this should shine. 

 

U R welcome 😁 on that thread......TAYLORMADE has made so many great heads ; options for all......find right shaft and away you go!

In my opinion, no. Jailbreak was merely intended to enhance the performance of their titanium face not revolutionize woods as a whole. I do agree TM has made a plethora of great clubs in the past, many which Ive used over the years. 

[SwooshLT]

2 hours ago, SMUGamer said:

In my opinion, no. Jailbreak was merely intended to enhance the performance of their titanium face not revolutionize woods as a whole. I do agree TM has made a plethora of great clubs in the past, many which Ive used over the years. 

@SMUGamer

Per Callaway: 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1mJegNjdhg

Edited January 24, 2022 by SwooshLT

[lekimann]

did you guys see a change in status? gg won't let me cancel my order now and i'm thinking maybe because it's built and ready to ship already?

[Hookasaurus Rex]

40 minutes ago, SMUGamer said:

In my opinion, no. Jailbreak was merely intended to enhance the performance of their titanium face not revolutionize woods as a whole. I do agree TM has made a plethora of great clubs in the past, many which Ive used over the years. 

Just like with any new club tech release (jailbreak, turbulators, etc…)….

 

[lekimann]

I ordered from gg last week a 8 degree stealth plus and I have a fedex package coming on Wednesday from taylormade. I thought it was my warranty claim for my sim2, but the package is showing 3 pounds so I think it's the stealth. 

 

People that received the stealth already, how heavy was your package?

[Valtiel]

On 1/21/2022 at 10:52 PM, enickma said:

Your Stealth+ has extra chrome on the bottom.  Not fair 😉

 

Nice review. How much lead tape did you add to the Stealth+, and what was the total head weight?.  Do you have any LM data/grafts to show dispersion/carry/totals? 

Sorry I realized I forgot to answer the second part of your question here. I actually thought about using the LM graph to track all of that, but I didn't for two reasons. One, I was really only focused on ball speed and the claims therein and was not focused on making what i'd consider to be "accuracy/target" related swings. And two, when I *do* focus on making those sorts of swings, anything that fits within my fitting window comes out basically the same. IMO dispersion is far more about that fit than anything else, and i've spent so much time dialing that in for myself over the years that dispersion really comes down to me. I was also dealing with a little bit of a headwind which was messing what that a bit too, so i'd prefer to get on GCQuad indoors for anything dispersion/distance related. I may do that, but I need a better solution for adding weight to the Stealth first. That lead tape barely hung on the whole session and end up flying off at the very end, lol. 

Edited January 24, 2022 by Valtiel

[SwooshLT]

3 hours ago, BourbonBalls44 said:

I arrived home yesterday to find mine sitting on the front porch.  Pretty surprising, never received any form of shipping notification.  For reference, ordered from TM on 1/4.  Anyone have knowledge on if there is a prior model of adapters that will fit these (Stealth Plus)?

 

Adapter hasn't changed in 10yrs.....so yes all shafts since R1/sldr will fit

[SwooshLT]

 

@SMUGamer @getitdaily

 

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZFjHQnPeoz/?utm_medium=copy_link

 

 

[SMUGamer]

13 minutes ago, SwooshLT said:

 

@SMUGamer @getitdaily

 

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZFjHQnPeoz/?utm_medium=copy_link

 

 

Thanks for posting Swoosh! Interesting data. Digesting now with a couple of standouts after a quick glance:

1) Love the lie angle

2) The extreme CT readings are potentially concerning 

[Pastit]

21 minutes ago, SwooshLT said:

 

Adapter hasn't changed in 10yrs.....so yes all shafts since R1/sldr will fit

I don’t think R11 fits. R15 works. 

Edited January 24, 2022 by Pastit

[Red4282]

Pretty low and fade biased cg!

[SwooshLT]

22 minutes ago, Pastit said:

I don’t think R11 fits. R15 works. 

 

I think I'm saying  R1 ; you're right about R11/11s but I'm sure R1 

[Wooderson]

7 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

Pretty low and fade biased cg!

 

Low for sure but I would say not as fade biased as other Sims.  Especially with the FA only being 1° open.   Interesting. 

[BallerNate]

Just spoke with my shop who put in a call to TaylorMade Canada. They said my Stealth Plus 3W is already built and they’re just waiting for the release date to ship it out.

 

Sounds like the U.S. date has already come if TM is starting to ship, so we shouldn’t be too far behind here in CAN!

[SMUGamer]

1 hour ago, Red4282 said:

Pretty low and fade biased cg!

Did I hear Ian at TXG correctly, in stating the CG of Stealth is so low that its causing a bit too much deflection? As opposed to a much higher CG driver like the new Cobra LTDx LS that seems to produce much more penetrating flight patterns? Swoosh?

Edited January 24, 2022 by SMUGamer

[getitdaily]

8 minutes ago, SMUGamer said:

Did I hear Ian at TXG correctly, in stating the CG of Stealth is so low that its causing a bit too much deflection? As opposed to a much higher CG driver like the new Cobra LTDx LS that seems to produce much more penetrating flight patterns? Swoosh?

Interesting. Could be why i saw a few pulls with stealth+. Idk why low would do that tho...all I've ever seen is that deflection is influenced by CoG either forward or back...not low.

 

The cobra drivers have really low cog. The ltdx is on the neutral axis. Litdixels hasn't been published that I've seen but it's low with all that weight behind the face.

[getitdaily]

24 minutes ago, SMUGamer said:

Did I hear Ian at TXG correctly, in stating the CG of Stealth is so low that its causing a bit too much deflection? As opposed to a much higher CG driver like the new Cobra LTDx LS that seems to produce much more penetrating flight patterns? Swoosh?

I'll also say this...until someone publishes CoG data, my belief is that stealth+ cog is higher than sim. 

[Red4282]

1 hour ago, Wooderson said:

 

Low for sure but I would say not as fade biased as other Sims.  Especially with the FA only being 1° open.   Interesting. 

Toeside of center cog with weight in neutral. Id say thats pretty darn fade biased.

[Red4282]

@getitdaily that link has cog data for stealth plus

Edited January 24, 2022 by Red4282

[SMUGamer]

1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

Interesting. Could be why i saw a few pulls with stealth+. Idk why low would do that tho...all I've ever seen is that deflection is influenced by CoG either forward or back...not low.

 

The cobra drivers have really low cog. The ltdx is on the neutral axis. Litdixels hasn't been published that I've seen but it's low with all that weight behind the face.

Due to the face material? Weight savings and slight misplacement of said weight savings to stabilize deflection?

"In engineering terms – is the degree to which an element of structure changes shape when a load is applied. The change may be a distance or an angle and can be either visible or invisible, depending on the load intensity, the shape of the component and the material from which it is made."

Edited January 25, 2022 by SMUGamer

[getitdaily]

2 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

@getitdaily that link has cog data for stealth plus

I looked at it but if that data was part of the handwritten notes then I am not sure where it's listed. 

 

Plus, need same data for sim to know which is lower. I can hit sim off the deck a ton easier than stealth+

[getitdaily]

6 minutes ago, SMUGamer said:

Due to the face material?

"In engineering terms – is the degree to which an element of structure changes shape when a load is applied. The change may be a distance or an angle and can be either visible or invisible, depending on the load intensity, the shape of the component and the material from which it is made."

I won't say no for sure. After all, my engineering degree is from the university of the internet. But I doubt it. I think TM would have seen that in testing and wouldn't have released a product that would go sideways because of face deformity on contact. Plus, I think we'd see pros shy away from it...

Edited January 24, 2022 by getitdaily

[TheSphynx]

Has anyone who ordered through discount Dan seen a tracking yet? I realize it’s not February 4th yet, but I’m starting to feel like Bart Scott  😂

Edited January 25, 2022 by TheSphynx

[Red4282]

1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

I looked at it but if that data was part of the handwritten notes then I am not sure where it's listed. 

 

Plus, need same data for sim to know which is lower. I can hit sim off the deck a ton easier than stealth+

 

blue is vertical cog, 1.00” 

red is cog from shaft axis

yellow is rearward cog- that is the one im not sure where he has measured it from.

 

here is a visual representation: the white x interesect or yellow arrow is cog and white fuzzy thing or blue arrow is geometric center. 
 

 

 

 

as far as the sim, its been published somewhere, i think it was golftec?

Edited January 25, 2022 by Red4282

[Red4282]

31 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

I looked at it but if that data was part of the handwritten notes then I am not sure where it's listed. 

 

Plus, need same data for sim to know which is lower. I can hit sim off the deck a ton easier than stealth+

The sim may have an overall lower cog in relation to the bottom because of shallow face. But i dont remember it being that much lower than the geometric center, in other words, more real estste above cog with stealth