Please Mr Jay Monahan....can i go play over there....please!!!!

[NoFancyUsername.]

Seriously?

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2021/10/22/golfweek-exclusive-eight-pga-tour-players-ask-permission-saudi-international/

[bscinstnct]

“Winkle says Johnson was torn about the schedule conflict in February but has prioritized defending his title in the Middle East.“

 

🤣

[stinger_gc]

These guys are independent contractors should be able to play wherever

[2bGood]

On 10/25/2021 at 3:49 PM, PHILsThemannnn said:

These guys are independent contractors should be able to play wherever

Why? I worked in marketing for years, it was super common that contracts stipulated we could not work for competing companies at the same time. If it was ever in question wether a new client we wanted to take on would be a conflict we needed permission from our primary client before we took them on. 

 

Being an independent contractor means you can do whatever you want.... until you sign a contract that states otherwise. PGA players agree to the PGA rules when they choose to join the tour. Don't like the rules? No problem you are an independent contractor you can work for someone else. 

Edited October 29, 2021 by 2bGood

[stinger_gc]

3 minutes ago, 2bGood said:

Why? I worked in marketing for years, it was super common that contracts stipulated would could not work from competing companies at the same time. If it was ever in question wether a new client we wanted to take on would be a conflict we needed permission from our primary client we took on the new client. 

 

Being an independent contractor means you can do whatever you want.... until you sign a contract that states otherwise. PGA players agree to the PGA rules when they choose to join the tour. Don't like the rules? No problem you are an independent contractor you can work for someone else. 

Yeah but the only reason the PGA Tour can prevent any member from playing a tournament is if that tournament isn't sanctioned by an OWGR recognized tour.  The European Tour dropped the Saudi event from the schedule, but the Asian Tour picked up the tournament. There's literally no reason for the tour to deny these guys a waiver. 

[iBanesto]

Ironically, the Saudis can probably buyout the PGA Tour, if that Super Golf League idea is still on.

 

If they can afford a 320 billion pound investment in Newcastle United, they have an endless supply of money.

 

[PJE]

Money talks but ironically if the Saudis ever realized their ambition of supplanting the Tour with the Super League, Westwood, Stenson, Fleetwood, McDowell, Kokrak, Na, and Ancer wouldn't be a part of it.

I guess they figure they should grab the money while they can: 

• Westwood- aging and he likely will never claim that elusive major;
• Stenson and McDowell- also aging and past their primes;
• Na and Fleetwood- like Westwood, major wins will likely remain unrealized plus Fleetwood can't win in the USA;
• Kokrak- He apparently is already in the Saudis' pocket. 
• Ancer- I don't know why he would play in this tourney other than making the quick buck.
• Johnson just seems to be greedy, immensely talented, but greedy. 

Throw in geo-political concerns about this event and issues of self respect and image, one wonders how the number of players seeking exemptions got up to eight.

Edited October 25, 2021 by PJE

[2bGood]

1 hour ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

There's literally no reason for the tour to deny these guys a waiver. 

 Really? Forum rules around discussing politics don't allow me to get into some of reasons the PGA might not want players associated with their tour at this event, but that aside the fact the money behind this event and the money behind a potential rival tour are the same, is enough for PGA to want to limit play in the event. 

 

Why would the PGA Tour want to help an event that would be the potential cornerstone of a rival tour?

Edited October 26, 2021 by 2bGood

[KBong]

3 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

“Winkle says Johnson was torn about the schedule conflict in February but has prioritized defending his title in the Middle East.“

 

🤣

[ChillyDipper]

[stinger_gc]

18 minutes ago, 2bGood said:

 Really? Forum rules around discussing politics don't allow me to get into some of reasons the PGA might not want players associated the their tour at this event, but that aside the fact the money behind this event and the money behind potential rival tour are the same is enough for PGA to want to limit play in the event. 

 

Why would the PGA Tour want to help an event that would be the potential cornerstone of a rival tour?

Oh please give me a break. The PGA Tour plays a tournament in China (I'm sure you're aware of what goes on there). A golfer on tour should be free to play wherever they want given the event is sanctioned

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

Yeah but the only reason the PGA Tour can prevent any member from playing a tournament is if that tournament isn't sanctioned by an OWGR recognized tour.  The European Tour dropped the Saudi event from the schedule, but the Asian Tour picked up the tournament. There's literally no reason for the tour to deny these guys a waiver. 

Plenty of reasons. Just none that can be discussed here.  

[stinger_gc]

3 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Plenty of reasons. Just none that can be discussed here.  

I think that's up to the tour and the players. If the tour ok's it not really a big deal

[bscinstnct]

22 minutes ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

I think that's up to the tour and the players. If the tour ok's it not really a big deal

 

Cmon man.

 

Only reason DJ tryin go is cause Paulina be like

 

 

🤣

[BlackDiamondPar5]

18 minutes ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

I think that's up to the tour and the players. If the tour ok's it not really a big deal

Run it by Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi. Oh that's right you can't because the Saudi prince had him dismembered.

 

Or maybe you could ask some Saudi adult women for their opinion... but first they'd need to get permission from their male guardian. 

[2bGood]

49 minutes ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

Oh please give me a break. The PGA Tour plays a tournament in China (I'm sure you're aware of what goes on there). A golfer on tour should be free to play wherever they want given the event is sanctioned

I am not jumping into the specifics of the politics side, but I agree I doubt the PGA really cares about the politics that much. They care much more about not helping a potential competitor get a leg up. Which brings us back to my first point - why would a business waive a not compete clause for their independent contractors to help the competition? What is in it for the PGA? 

[3whacker]

could it be that appearance $$$$ is involved somehow, directly or indirectly

[bscinstnct]

37 minutes ago, 2bGood said:

I am not jumping into the specifics of the politics side, but I agree I doubt the PGA really cares about the politics that much. They care much more about not helping a potential competitor get a leg up. Which brings us back to my first point - why would a business waive a not compete clause for their independent contractors to help the competition? What is in it for the PGA? 

 

Agree, is it the case that all the Asia/ME events that the pga pros play over the years have been Euro tour events? 

 

The pga euro tours have has a working relationship and now I think they are partners. 
 

There’s no reason to approve PGA tour members to play events for a competing tour. 
 

Unless, of course, it’s Tiger.

 

Pga tour be like,

 

Yeah, cool TW, great job growing the game!

 

🤣
 

 

Edited October 26, 2021 by bscinstnct

[oikos1]

1 hour ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

Oh please give me a break. The PGA Tour plays a tournament in China (I'm sure you're aware of what goes on there). A golfer on tour should be free to play wherever they want given the event is sanctioned

Yeah, the politics blah, blah, blah kind of loses it's punch when there is already a PGA Tour China, which is part of the PGA Tour's global expansion. 

 

Just say it's about money and millionaires battling millionaires and move on.  Trying to make any political or human rights issues is just ridiculous at this point.

[stinger_gc]

1 hour ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Run it by Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi. Oh that's right you can't because the Saudi prince had him dismembered.

 

Or maybe you could ask some Saudi adult women for their opinion... but first they'd need to get permission from their male guardian. 

 

I'm not denying that it's wrong. But the PGA Tour doesn't care, as others before me they play a tournament every year in China and have a developmental tour down there. Look it all the guys who teed it up in China 2 years ago. If the PGA Tour is so concerned about human rights, Monahan/members of the tour should stop playing in China every year and having such a large presence there.

 

 

https://qz.com/1811305/nike-apple-linked-to-forced-uighur-labor-in-china-report-says/

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/business/worldbusiness/05sweatshop.html

 

 

Top 50 players in 2019 WGC-HSBC Champions field

• 2. Rory McIlroy
• 6. Patrick Cantlay
• 7. Justin Rose
• 8. Xander Schauffele
• 11. Francesco Molinari
• 13. Tony Finau
• 14. Paul Casey
• 15. Adam Scott
• 16. Tommy Fleetwood
• 17. Patrick Reed
• 19. Shane Lowry
• 22. Bernd Wiesberger
• 23. Kevin Na
• 24. Louis Oosthuizen
• 26. Matthew Fitzpatrick
• 27. Hideki Matsuyama
• 29. Matt Wallace
• 30. Danny Willett
• 31. Kevin Kisner
• 32. Chez Reavie
• 33. Bubba Watson
• 34. Sergio Garcia
• 35. Billy Horschel
• 36. Rafa Cabrera Bello
• 37. Jordan Spieth
• 38. Henrik Stenson
• 39. Ian Poulter
• 41. Abraham Ancer
• 42. Adam Hadwin
• 43. Sungjae Im
• 44. Andrew Putnam
• 45. Cameron Smith
• 47. Byeong Hun An
• 48. Keegan Bradley
• 49. Tyrrell Hatton
• 50. Phil Mickelson

https://thegolfnewsnet.com/golfnewsnetteam/2019/10/26/2019-wgc-hsbc-champions-field-players-rankings-116325/

[bscinstnct]

35 minutes ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

 

I'm not denying that it's wrong. But the PGA Tour doesn't care, as others before me they play a tournament every year in China and have a developmental tour down there. Look it all the guys who teed it up in China 2 years ago. If the PGA Tour is so concerned about human rights, Monahan/members of the tour should stop playing in China every year and having such a large presence there.

 

 

https://qz.com/1811305/nike-apple-linked-to-forced-uighur-labor-in-china-report-says/

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/business/worldbusiness/05sweatshop.html

 

 

Top 50 players in 2019 WGC-HSBC Champions field

• 2. Rory McIlroy
• 6. Patrick Cantlay
• 7. Justin Rose
• 8. Xander Schauffele
• 11. Francesco Molinari
• 13. Tony Finau
• 14. Paul Casey
• 15. Adam Scott
• 16. Tommy Fleetwood
• 17. Patrick Reed
• 19. Shane Lowry
• 22. Bernd Wiesberger
• 23. Kevin Na
• 24. Louis Oosthuizen
• 26. Matthew Fitzpatrick
• 27. Hideki Matsuyama
• 29. Matt Wallace
• 30. Danny Willett
• 31. Kevin Kisner
• 32. Chez Reavie
• 33. Bubba Watson
• 34. Sergio Garcia
• 35. Billy Horschel
• 36. Rafa Cabrera Bello
• 37. Jordan Spieth
• 38. Henrik Stenson
• 39. Ian Poulter
• 41. Abraham Ancer
• 42. Adam Hadwin
• 43. Sungjae Im
• 44. Andrew Putnam
• 45. Cameron Smith
• 47. Byeong Hun An
• 48. Keegan Bradley
• 49. Tyrrell Hatton
• 50. Phil Mickelson

https://thegolfnewsnet.com/golfnewsnetteam/2019/10/26/2019-wgc-hsbc-champions-field-players-rankings-116325/

 

Is just a business decision. Including overlooking or not overlooking potential fallout. 
 

In the case of China, the tour makes money, the fallout doesn’t dent the brand, it’s worth pursuing.

 

Fir the Saudi event, I assume the Euro tour dropped it because the cost of the fallout outweighed the benefits. And it’s hard to see any reason now they would want to help a competitive tour.

 

DJ will get over it. But I do admire that he “has prioritized defending his title in the Middle East.“

 

🤣

Edited October 26, 2021 by bscinstnct

[stinger_gc]

19 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Is just a business decision. Including overlooking or not overlooking potential fallout. 
 

In the case of China, the tour makes money, the fallout doesn’t dent the brand, it’s worth pursuing.

 

Fir the Saudi event, I assume the Euro tour dropped it because the cost of the fallout outweighed the benefits. And it’s hard to see any reason now they would want to help a competitive tour.

 

DJ will get over it. But I do admire that he “has prioritized defending his title in the Middle East.“

 

🤣

I don't care where the tour plays. It's up to the individuals. The PGA Tour goes to China because it's a business decision and Dustin goes to Saudi for the $$$$.

If Dustin wants to go to Saudi, and dance like these guys after he wins, good for him.

 

 

[nsxguy]

4 minutes ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

I don't care where the tour plays. It's up to the individuals. The PGA Tour goes to China because it's a business decision and Dustin goes to Saudi for the $$$$.

If Dustin wants to go to Saudi, and dance like these guys after he wins, good for him.

 

 

 

Dude, can't you connect the dots yet ?

 

Nobody cares whether you care where the Tour plays.

 

The Saudis are part of a potential Super Tour, which would threaten the existence of the PGA Tour.

 

China is NOT a competing, or a potential competing, Tour and therefore is NO THREAT.

 

Would YOU let your star employees (and yes, I know the Tour Players are not employees but the effect is close enough) go to help your competitors put you out of business ?

 

Of course not !!!

 

Good grief.  🤦‍♀️

 

 

[stinger_gc]

9 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

 

Dude, can't you connect the dots yet ?

 

Nobody cares whether you care where the Tour plays.

 

The Saudis are part of a potential Super Tour, which would threaten the existence of the PGA Tour.

 

China is NOT a competing, or a potential competing, Tour and therefore is NO THREAT.

 

Would YOU let your star employees (and yes, I know the Tour Players are not employees but the effect is close enough) go to help your competitors put you out of business ?

 

Of course not !!!

 

Good grief.  🤦‍♀️

 

 

If the SGL is more attractive the PGA Tour needs to up it's game!

[nsxguy]

5 minutes ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

If the SGL is more attractive the PGA Tour needs to up it's game!

 

So they should get into a bidding war ?

 

When they've already got the "hammer" ?

[oikos1]

They already entered a bidding war.  The Tour's shot was the PIP.

 

As for the "hammer", that's not such a sure thing.

[Mustard_Tiger]

8 whores for money.

[bladehunter]

7 hours ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

If the SGL is more attractive the PGA Tour needs to up it's game!

Why get into a war of money when you are already the big dog.  Let the players be the sell outs.  And then the public decide. Which is what’s happening.  Stick your neck out. It may get the axe from public opinion.  

[gioguy21]

pretty sure the reason why the PGA doesn't want its' star players going overseas that week is because it has a dying AT&T pebble beach pro am going on and needs life support. 

over the last few years it seems like its gone down hill IMO...

[Ferguson]

12 hours ago, 2bGood said:

 Really? Forum rules around discussing politics don't allow me to get into some of reasons the PGA might not want players associated with their tour at this event, but that aside the fact the money behind this event and the money behind a potential rival tour are the same, is enough for PGA to want to limit play in the event. 

 

Why would the PGA Tour want to help an event that would be the potential cornerstone of a rival tour?

 

philsthemannn knows everything.