Please Mr Jay Monahan....can i go play over there....please!!!!

[Go Cougs]

6 hours ago, Frankensteins Monster said:

The deplorable people that continue to get attached to this is never ending. Assuming this is the same "Competing tour." If it's not, then just start a list of deplorable people attached to that one too!

 

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/32500931/golf-legend-greg-norman-set-run-competing-tour-hopes-begin-play-2022

 

Golf icon Greg Norman will put his successful business enterprise aside to become the commissioner of a long-rumored and long-discussed golf league that hopes to begin play in 2022, and he is seeking to sign players to lucrative guaranteed deals with big-money purses.

[Murphy76]

1 hour ago, bscinstnct said:

I’m thinking the PGA Tour could do a number of things to prevent anyone from leaving.

 

For example, this PIP bonus. They are not naming who gets it. 40MM to 10 players.

 

But is there anything preventing the tour from just handing out more bonus checks?

 

They could give an extra few million to the top guys on the money list to offset any potential higher on course earnings from the pgl. 
 

Now, the problem would be that once they do it, they couldn’t roll it back.

 

 

 

I think bribing players is Not a road the PGA should or would go down.

 

It would completely flip the power-structure and negate their authority to govern.  

 

 

[bscinstnct]

57 minutes ago, nsxguy said:

 

Talk about a slippery slope.

 

"Appearance fees" ??? On the PGA Tour ?

 

Business is business.

 

Gotta do what ya gotta do yo!

 

[bscinstnct]

9 minutes ago, Murphy76 said:

 

I think bribing players is Not a road the PGA should or would go down.

 

It would completely flip the power-structure and negate their authority to govern.  

 

 

 

Well, it would be structured. Not just hand out arbitrarily. 

 

You could just add multipliers to the money the people in the top 20 make. 
 

1-5 could get their money x 1.5

 

5-10 get money x 1.25 

 

etc.

 

Or, like the PIP, they could just add bonus programs. Win a major, you get 2MM extra. Win 2 majors in a year, you get 6MM extra.

 

 

[Naptime]

Living abroad with constant travel is tough on family life, and playing abroad will take you out of the US TV market due to time zone differences.  Tape delay golf is boring since you can get the results online in real time.  With little US exposure the US sponsorships shrink.  In the end some may decide it's not worth it.

[NoFancyUsername.]

3 hours ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

Right. What I meant to say was politics aside Turnberry deserves another Open. I don't think the Trump will want to own the course much longer. He's losing a lot of money on it and kinda pointless having the course if it won't host anything.

 

Turnberry's parent company, Golf Recreation Scotland, posted a $3.25 million loss on revenue of $26 million in 2019 and owes nearly $160 million to its creditors, the balance sheet showed.

 

 

 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-do-trump-golf-resorts-lose-millions-dollars-every-year-2021-5

  You don't think that is part of his companies tax system?  😉

[NoFancyUsername.]

1 hour ago, Naptime said:

Living abroad with constant travel is tough on family life,...Golfers have been doing it for decades, they know the life and most enjoy it... and playing abroad will take you out of the US TV market due to time zone differences....who cares, the US is only 350mill of 8 billion on earth, move on...  Tape delay golf is boring since you can get the results online in real time....the rest of the world will enjoy watching it live wherever they are... With little US exposure the US sponsorships shrink.  In the end some may decide it's not worth it.....lol, who's the "some"? can you name them.

 

[tacklingdummy]

4 hours ago, Naptime said:

Living abroad with constant travel is tough on family life, and playing abroad will take you out of the US TV market due to time zone differences.  Tape delay golf is boring since you can get the results online in real time.  With little US exposure the US sponsorships shrink.  In the end some may decide it's not worth it.

 

The LPGA tour is pretty much a world tour right now. Several tournaments in Asia and Europe. The LPGA tour players will spend like a month traveling in Asia for few tournaments. It is a choice they make to be a pro and accept everything that comes with it or to pursue other careers. In Asia, they don't need US sponsors. There is a ton of Asian companies with lots of money that want to support golf tournaments. 

[Holy Moses]

On 10/26/2021 at 8:44 PM, iBanesto said:

Banning a player from playing on the PGA Tour, would not prevent that player from playing in the majors?

 

Since the majors are organised by different golfing organisations.

That is true in an of itself. But if OWGR points aren't given to the Super/Saudi league, then players slide down the rankings list and won't be eligible to play in majors if that's the only criteria they qualify on. 

[Holy Moses]

On 10/26/2021 at 11:29 PM, tacklingdummy said:

 

You are confused at what I am saying. I don't think it is a right to play on the PGA tour, I think it should be a right to play elsewhere if they choose. There is a difference. I think it is fine for them to have minimum amount of tournaments they have to play in, but the time they are not playing on PGA tour they should be able to play anywhere they want. 

 

If the casino indeed allowed you to play in their casino, they would not restrict you from going to another casino to play. I have gambled in several different casinos in one night. 😂

 

I worked in construction/residential real estate development. The company I worked for used 99% independent contractors for building trades. A lot of the contractors were working on several house builds with our company, but we never restricted them to work on jobs outside of our company. Nearly all were doing contract work for other companies as well. 

 

Might not be best to compare a trade contractor, which there are millions of in the world, to the top pro golfers in the world, which there are maybe 20 of. Losing the top golfers can destroy a multi-billion dollar PGA Tour. 

[Holy Moses]

12 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

I’m thinking the PGA Tour could do a number of things to prevent anyone from leaving.

 

For example, this PIP bonus. They are not naming who gets it. 40MM to 10 players.

 

But is there anything preventing the tour from just handing out more bonus checks?

 

They could give an extra few million to the top guys on the money list to offset any potential higher on course earnings from the pgl. 
 

Now, the problem would be that once they do it, they couldn’t roll it back.

 

 

This is a good point. They could allow appearance fees. They already increased the FedEx bonus pool. And the PIP. And they just got a huge influx of cash with the new TV deal. The PGA Tour is waiting for the Super League to play their financial hand and then the PGA Tour will pony up even more money. The Super League could always increase the money they have announced too, but I doubt they do it. 

 

I don't know where it was discussed, but for the current top PGA Tour players, I think the money that they will be getting under the new FedEx Cup bonuses, the PIP, and increased purse fees is already pretty close to what the Super League is offering. 

 

I hope the Super League fails, but some good may come out of it. As much as I enjoy the PGA Tour, there are too many tournaments and not enough times where star players play each other among others. I hope the upstart league forces the PGA Tour to adapt. 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

5 hours ago, Holy Moses said:

This is a good point. They could allow appearance fees. They already increased the FedEx bonus pool. And the PIP. And they just got a huge influx of cash with the new TV deal. The PGA Tour is waiting for the Super League to play their financial hand and then the PGA Tour will pony up even more money. The Super League could always increase the money they have announced too, but I doubt they do it. 

 

I don't know where it was discussed, but for the current top PGA Tour players, I think the money that they will be getting under the new FedEx Cup bonuses, the PIP, and increased purse fees is already pretty close to what the Super League is offering. 

 

I hope the Super League fails, but some good may come out of it. As much as I enjoy the PGA Tour, there are too many tournaments and not enough times where star players play each other among others. I hope the upstart league forces the PGA Tour to adapt. 

+ @bscinstnct

Some good points gents.  I hope the super league fails also. 

 

But as far as the PGA throwing more money at the golfers, at what point do they run out of money? Yeah I get it they have big TV contracts, but have you watched the tournament TV ratings trends over the past 15 years? It's not good. I know I find myself watching less and less golf despite loving the game. I believe you're 100% right when you say there are too many tournaments and not enough times when big names are competing. I know I personally watch less because they've diluted the product way too much.

 

At what point do these major sponsors say, falling ratings = not worth the price? Then they've hit a fiscal wall. This isn't like the NFL. 

 

 

 

[bscinstnct]

4 hours ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

+ @bscinstnct

Some good points gents.  I hope the super league fails also. 

 

But as far as the PGA throwing more money at the golfers, at what point do they run out of money? Yeah I get it they have big TV contracts, but have you watched the tournament TV ratings trends over the past 15 years? It's not good. I know I find myself watching less and less golf despite loving the game. I believe you're 100% right when you say there are too many tournaments and not enough times when big names are competing. I know I personally watch less because they've diluted the product way too much.

 

At what point do these major sponsors say, falling ratings = not worth the price? Then they've hit a fiscal wall. This isn't like the NFL. 

 

 

 

 

Well, the most recent TV deal was til 2030.

 

And we are talking about the most valuable assets, the best players.

 

So, I assume that keeping the top 20 and especially top 10 is critical. 
 

Without Rahmbo and BD and Rory etc, you see revenue plummet like a rock. 
 

So, it’s survival to keep these guys. Another 50MM or 100MM, they gotta find it if they need to. 
 

If they accelerate the earnings of the top 10 money list and bonuses for winning majors, it’s incentivizes the guys even more.

 

They could lose a couple if the pgl throws like 50MM guarantee to certain guys. Finau, Patrick Reed maybe?! Wonder if PR would like to stick it to the tour lol. 
 

But I’m thinking the pga tour could make it all but impossible to poach the most valuable players. 
 

 

Edited October 30, 2021 by bscinstnct

[tacklingdummy]

10 hours ago, Holy Moses said:

Might not be best to compare a trade contractor, which there are millions of in the world, to the top pro golfers in the world, which there are maybe 20 of. Losing the top golfers can destroy a multi-billion dollar PGA Tour. 

 

But it is a similar concept. I get it that PGA tour is protecting their product, but they still should not disallow players to play anywhere else on their own time when they are not playing on the PGA tour as long as they meet their requirement of 15 starts on the PGA. It really limits a player's earning power when they are not getting guaranteed money, salaries, or contract pay. 

 

The PGA and Korn Ferry tours are totally impacted right now. You have players that have won multiple PGA tournaments and major winners that are on the Korn Ferry tour. There is little money on the Korn Ferry tour. Pro talent is extremely deep now and have many world class players don't even have status on any tours to be able to play.

 

There definitely is room for more tournaments, tours, and more money flowing into pro golf. The PGA tour will be fine. It is the only tour with the majors. Every player's ultimate goal still is to play on the PGA.

[kasting333]

On 10/28/2021 at 6:23 PM, PHILsThemannnn said:

Monahan has already said that the tour might ban you if you tee it up in a PGL event.

Monahan wishes he had that power. It’s a player run organization. If the PAC said that they would ban players then it would carry more weight. 

[Holy Moses]

7 hours ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

+ @bscinstnct

Some good points gents.  I hope the super league fails also. 

 

But as far as the PGA throwing more money at the golfers, at what point do they run out of money? Yeah I get it they have big TV contracts, but have you watched the tournament TV ratings trends over the past 15 years? It's not good. I know I find myself watching less and less golf despite loving the game. I believe you're 100% right when you say there are too many tournaments and not enough times when big names are competing. I know I personally watch less because they've diluted the product way too much.

 

At what point do these major sponsors say, falling ratings = not worth the price? Then they've hit a fiscal wall. This isn't like the NFL. 

 

 

 

The PGA Tour is about the top 20 golfers. You can’t lose half of them. DJ, Bryson, Phil (I know he’s almost done on Tour) and others are definitely in play for the Super League.  The Tour will pony up if they have to. I can’t see any agreement where the stars get waivers to play and a truce is made at this point. 

[Holy Moses]

3 hours ago, kasting333 said:

Monahan wishes he had that power. It’s a player run organization. If the PAC said that they would ban players then it would carry more weight. 

Monahan is definitely going to threaten to ban them. He absolutely can at this point apart from the courts getting involved. 

[Holy Moses]

3 hours ago, tacklingdummy said:

 

But it is a similar concept. I get it that PGA tour is protecting their product, but they still should not disallow players to play anywhere else on their own time when they are not playing on the PGA tour as long as they meet their requirement of 15 starts on the PGA. It really limits a player's earning power when they are not getting guaranteed money, salaries, or contract pay. 

 

The PGA and Korn Ferry tours are totally impacted right now. You have players that have won multiple PGA tournaments and major winners that are on the Korn Ferry tour. There is little money on the Korn Ferry tour. Pro talent is extremely deep now and have many world class players don't even have status on any tours to be able to play.

 

There definitely is room for more tournaments, tours, and more money flowing into pro golf. The PGA tour will be fine. It is the only tour with the majors. Every player's ultimate goal still is to play on the PGA.

You can’t lose let’s say half of your stud players and expect the Tour to be fine. Sponsors and TV networks, who just signed huge new deals, would have a fit when the ratings tank. 
 

Every player wants to play on the PGA Tour. But that was before this kind of money was being offered by the new league. Players will want to play both and the PGA Tour is not going to let that happen. 

 

[grm24]

3 hours ago, kasting333 said:

Monahan wishes he had that power. It’s a player run organization. If the PAC said that they would ban players then it would carry more weight. 

You were saying?

 

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31394037/phil-mickelson-bash-super-league-others-do

 

According to several players, Monahan made it clear that joining the PGL would mean an automatic suspension from the PGA Tour and the possibility of a permanent expulsion. According to a PGA Tour official, such an action is part of the tour's regulations and has been approved by the players.

 

[kasting333]

48 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Monahan is definitely going to threaten to ban them. He absolutely can at this point apart from the courts getting involved. 

He can threaten. If he banned DJ for going to Saudi Arabia he would have a mutiny on his hands. 

[Fairway14]

The PGA Tour is owned my its members (players).The PGA Tour administration, including Commissioner  Monahan, are employees of the players. If enough players want a Tour policy or rule changed , they can make it happen.

[Titleist99]

2 hours ago, Holy Moses said:

The PGA Tour is about the top 20 golfers. You can’t lose half of them. DJ, Bryson, Phil (I know he’s almost done on Tour) and others are definitely in play for the Super League.  The Tour will pony up if they have to. I can’t see any agreement where the stars get waivers to play and a truce is made at this point. 

LOL!......The best players in the world don't start playing until after the calendar new year. Look at the Bermuda tournament leader board right now, a bunch of no-names, yet the event is pretty entertaining. The top players could be playing in Saudi Arabia right now in some team event and it wouldn't even coincide with the US time zones......IMO

[Holy Moses]

2 hours ago, kasting333 said:

He can threaten. If he banned DJ for going to Saudi Arabia he would have a mutiny on his hands. 

The only people who would care would be those that want to join him and they will also be banned. If DJ and other top players leave, that devalues the PGA Tour and that will hurt the pocketbooks of the Tour and its remaining members. 

 

I don’t like a lot of what the PGA Tour does, but they have every right to protect their tour. Who will blink first? The Tour, a few players, or the Super League? We shall see. 

[stinger_gc]

3 hours ago, kasting333 said:

Monahan wishes he had that power. It’s a player run organization. If the PAC said that they would ban players then it would carry more weight. 

Yeah I think the PAC is gonna shut this down fast. Rory, Justin Thomas, Rahm have all said no to the PGL

[2bGood]

3 hours ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

Yeah I think the PAC is gonna shut this down fast. Rory, Justin Thomas, Rahm have all said no to the PGL

I could be mistaken, but the PAC has limited true power (but may have lots of influence). They are after all an advisory group. Monahan reports to the Board not the PAC. The board does include  players and next year will included Rory as chair of the PAC has a board seat. 

Edited October 31, 2021 by 2bGood

[tacklingdummy]

6 hours ago, Holy Moses said:

You can’t lose let’s say half of your stud players and expect the Tour to be fine. Sponsors and TV networks, who just signed huge new deals, would have a fit when the ratings tank. 
 

Every player wants to play on the PGA Tour. But that was before this kind of money was being offered by the new league. Players will want to play both and the PGA Tour is not going to let that happen. 

 

 

They won't lose their top players. They will only be playing a few tournaments elsewhere. The top players will not be giving up their PGA tour cards for another tour. Perhaps the guys much lower on the rankings will be rethinking other tours if they are not making enough money, getting sponsorships, and good results. The thing about pro golf is that they have to win all their prize money and can lose sponsors if they drop out of the rankings. On top of that, they have a limited amount of time to earn. So, I still support that players should be allowed to play anywhere as long as they play the required 15 tournaments. 

Edited October 31, 2021 by tacklingdummy

[Holy Moses]

1 hour ago, tacklingdummy said:

 

They won't lose their top players. They will only be playing a few tournaments elsewhere. The top players will not be giving up their PGA tour cards for another tour. Perhaps the guys much lower on the rankings will be rethinking other tours if they are not making enough money, getting sponsorships, and good results. The thing about pro golf is that they have to win all their prize money and can lose sponsors if they drop out of the rankings. On top of that, they have a limited amount of time to earn. So, I still stand that players should be allowed to play anywhere as long as they play the required 15 tournaments. 

The Super Golf League wants 18 events and they want the players to play in all of them I believe. That's more than a few. 2022 might be a few tournaments, but long-term the SGL would cannibalize the PGA Tour's schedule. Players don't normally play more than 18-25 tournaments. If the majors somehow let these players in, that's 22 events. I don't see Dustin Johnson playing in 33 events in a season. 

[kasting333]

3 hours ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

Yeah I think the PAC is gonna shut this down fast. Rory, Justin Thomas, Rahm have all said no to the PGL

You think those guys will be ok with banning DJ and Phil… doubtful

[grm24]

8 hours ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

Yeah I think the PAC is gonna shut this down fast. Rory, Justin Thomas, Rahm have all said no to the PGL

 

It's already been shut down by the PGA Tour, the PAC and it's players. Please see the verbiage I quoted a few posts above in this thread from an article in May 2021 on this subject from ESPN. That is if you and others actually want to take the time to review prior posts in a given thread instead of repeating yourselves. 🙄

[Ignatius Reilly]

I would think the PGA Tour would want to keep its star players playing its Tour.

 

The top 20 or so are big stars and big draws, but that's because they've excelled on the Tour.  It's in the Tour's best interest to keep them them playing.

 

For all the guys outside the top 20, it's imperative to keep the top guys.  They draw the eyeballs, the sponsors and the purses that make the whole thing work.  If you lose BDC, DJ, Rory, etc. to the other Tour, then the PGA Tour purses will look a lot more like Korn Ferry or LET purses.

 

Because there are a lot more players outside the top 20 than inside it, I'd expect the PAC to be totally in favour of drawing a line in the sand for the top 20.