distance debate

[MUNIGRIT]

6 minutes ago, milesgiles said:

 

how many times do we have to say the same thing? Its the DISPERSION, or lack of it, that the oversize driver enables. You can hit 400 yards for all I care, as long as its with a traditional size clubhead, not a toaster.

What is "traditional size"? What year was "traditional size"?

[Titleist99]

46 minutes ago, MUNIGRIT said:

What is "traditional size"? What year was "traditional size"?

Good question Muni......My question is, if everyone in the field is using a toaster and everyone is playing the same golf course.....the lowest score wins.....what difference does it make?

 

Count "em up at the end and see what happens!     IMO

[milesgiles]

3 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

Good question Muni......My question is, if everyone in the field is using a toaster and everyone is playing the same golf course.....the lowest score wins.....what difference does it make?

 

Count "em up at the end and see what happens!     IMO

 

read the thread. 

[Titleist99]

10 minutes ago, milesgiles said:

 

read the thread. 

I understand that you're trying to be snarky and controversial......but I'm sorry that you didn't realize that it was a rhetorical question. I'll clarify that in the future.......

[milesgiles]

5 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

I understand that you're trying to be snarky and controversial......but I'm sorry that you didn't realize that it was a rhetorical question. I'll clarify that in the future.......

 

but its not rhetorical is it. You really dont think there is an issue. Unfortunately for you, the R andA, the usga, ANGC etc all acknowledge that there is

[Titleist99]

11 minutes ago, milesgiles said:

 

but its not rhetorical is it. You really dont think there is an issue. Unfortunately for you, the R andA, the usga, ANGC etc all acknowledge that there is

Yeah, big problem.....that's why the USGA & R&A haven't done any thing in the last 30 years besides reduce the length of the driver........Just ask Jack, he's been preaching a rollback for the longest......golf has never been more popular, yet a select few keep calling for a change with a solution looking for a problem.

[Jim53]

I got a kick out of Streep hitting an 8 iron 181 yds and Cantashuffle a PW 160, what you going to do about that? 

[Shilgy]

7 minutes ago, Jim53 said:

I got a kick out of Streep hitting an 8 iron 181 yds and Cantashuffle a PW 160, what you going to do about that? 

In all fairness it was quite windy today….those were not into the wind numbers.

[Jim53]

Hmm, I was watching it live and did not notice their pants legs being blown about by the wind or even any hint of wind. But then again I was not really looking for it either and my lazyboy is well protected from the elements..

 

I need to add I am trying out new Pna Colada recipes for the guest tomorrow so that my have affected my judgement also.

Edited April 16, 2022 by Jim53

[MUNIGRIT]

What is traditional size? What year are we rolling it back to?

[StudentGolfer4]

Wow this thread is still going!? I can’t really decide if I’m shocked or proud. Carry on. 

[sg91]

5 hours ago, MUNIGRIT said:

What is traditional size? What year are we rolling it back to?

I'd be cool with drivers being rolled back to 2000-2002 size. Something in the 320-350cc range.

[MUNIGRIT]

8 hours ago, sg91 said:

I'd be cool with drivers being rolled back to 2000-2002 size. Something in the 320-350cc range.

That is not very "Traditional" sized. The TM 580 was out in 2002 i believe. 

[Duct Tape]

15 minutes ago, MUNIGRIT said:

That is not very "Traditional" sized. The TM 580 was out in 2002 i believe. 

Munigrit,

 

WAY off topic, but in reference to your avatar, I’m sitting in a backyard of friends in North Scottsdale right now looking for a roadrunner in the wash out back. It’s been four days and I haven’t seen one yet. Our friends say they see them chasing lizards on the golf course every day, but so far no luck there either.

 

ok, back to original program….  🤓

[MUNIGRIT]

50 minutes ago, Duct Tape said:

Munigrit,

 

WAY off topic, but in reference to your avatar, I’m sitting in a backyard of friends in North Scottsdale right now looking for a roadrunner in the wash out back. It’s been four days and I haven’t seen one yet. Our friends say they see them chasing lizards on the golf course every day, but so far no luck there either.

 

ok, back to original program….  🤓

Oh yeah. They will kill lizards and snakes. Awesome birds!

[munichop]

The 28 times is on the USGA website.  So it the tee it forward table. They are not the same distances. Another recommendation is 36 times the length you hit your 5 iron. I agree on the dispersion issue. I played in strong wind yesterday and the gyroscopic golf ball behavior was easy to see on some shots. Even without a distance rollback this behavior of the balls for the top players should be eliminated. The tests for equipment should be expanded. Minimum curvature measuring dispersion should be implemented. It will help separate the better ballstrikers. I would like a tour standard for maximum moi on drivers as well. The governing bodies are moving at a slower pace because they fear being sued.

[gvogel]

16 hours ago, MUNIGRIT said:

What is traditional size? What year are we rolling it back to?

Traditional size would be the size with a wooden head, before the aerospace engineers got laid off and brought titanium to golf.

[milesgiles]

16 hours ago, MUNIGRIT said:

What is traditional size? What year are we rolling it back to?

 

what possible difference does it make to anything you will say in reply?

[Shilgy]

36 minutes ago, munichop said:

The 28 times is on the USGA website.  So it the tee it forward table. They are not the same distances. Another recommendation is 36 times the length you hit your 5 iron. I agree on the dispersion issue. I played in strong wind yesterday and the gyroscopic golf ball behavior was easy to see on some shots. Even without a distance rollback this behavior of the balls for the top players should be eliminated. The tests for equipment should be expanded. Minimum curvature measuring dispersion should be implemented. It will help separate the better ballstrikers. I would like a tour standard for maximum moi on drivers as well. The governing bodies are moving at a slower pace because they fear being sued.

Yeah, they are substantially different. Couldn’t find what you referenced but only the tee it forward chart.

 

[munichop]

The 28 times measure is on a video guide from them. I found it when I typed recommended tees for men in a search app.

[MUNIGRIT]

1 hour ago, milesgiles said:

 

what possible difference does it make to anything you will say in reply?

I'm going to point put that you are just whining. You throw out traditional but can't define traditional.

[Titleist99]

2 hours ago, Shilgy said:

Yeah, they are substantially different. Couldn’t find what you referenced but only the tee it forward chart.

 

I question if they should use driving distance verses scorecards..... for the simple fact that the players driving the golf ball over 300 have no advantage..... Imo over the ones driving 295 -300.

 I have friends and Nephews that drive the golf ball 300 yards but can't break 90. I have many friends that drive the ball 225 yards down the middle that will par you to death.......IMO

[Shilgy]

3 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

I question if they should use driving distance verses scorecards..... for the simple fact that the players driving the golf ball over 300 have no advantage..... Imo over the ones driving 295 -300.

 I have friends and Nephews that drive the golf ball 300 yards but can't break 90. I have many friends that drive the ball 225 yards down the middle that will par you to death.......IMO

So the long guys should play under 6000 and the short nut good players should play 7k?  Probably not much fun for either.

 

I have often read about them but have never met the “over 300 but can’t break 90” type of guys.  Ball has to be hit pretty solidly to be over 300.  
 

PS the chart did not differentiate between over 300 and 295-300 as you mentioned.  It differentiates between the 300 hitter and a tour professional.

[milesgiles]

1 hour ago, MUNIGRIT said:

I'm going to point put that you are just whining. You throw out traditional but can't define traditional.

 

Traditional as in persimmon or the first metal drivers. The cc of those clubs doesn’t need defining exactly except for those being deliberately obtuse 

[Titleist99]

5 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

So the long guys should play under 6000 and the short nut good players should play 7k?  Probably not much fun for either.

 

I have often read about them but have never met the “over 300 but can’t break 90” type of guys.  Ball has to be hit pretty solidly to be over 300.  
 

PS the chart did not differentiate between over 300 and 295-300 as you mentioned.  It differentiates between the 300 hitter and a tour professional.

My Nephews will tell you up front that the driving is not a problem and the fun begins when they have irons in their hands.....I witness it every time I play with them. Never said that they hit the ball solid every time.

My point was that 300 drivers could be considered tour drivers excluding the many players that I mentioned......

I was merely pointing out the exceptions.....IMO

[Shilgy]

1 hour ago, milesgiles said:

 

Traditional as in persimmon or the first metal drivers. The cc of those clubs doesn’t need defining exactly except for those being deliberately obtuse 

So 190cc.  Would that be that hard to say?  Some on wrx never played that equipment and might truly not know other than “smaller”.

[ChipStrokes]

3 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

So 190cc.  Would that be that hard to say?  Some on wrx never played that equipment and might truly not know other than “smaller”.

miles be like “head size?”

 

Edited April 17, 2022 by ChipStrokes

[miamistomp]

1 hour ago, Shilgy said:

So the long guys should play under 6000 and the short nut good players should play 7k?  Probably not much fun for either.

 

I have often read about them but have never met the “over 300 but can’t break 90” type of guys.  Ball has to be hit pretty solidly to be over 300.  
 

PS the chart did not differentiate between over 300 and 295-300 as you mentioned.  It differentiates between the 300 hitter and a tour professional.

 Where are all these 300 yard hitters ?

 I see guys that get one every now and then but are usually pretty wild

 Both club pros where I play are still mini tour guys and I would say they average 275 or so

 Then again it is flat and swampy here so you ain't getting any altitude help or big roll outs

[deadsolid...shank]

On 4/16/2022 at 2:50 PM, Titleist99 said:

Yeah, big problem.....that's why the USGA & R&A haven't done any thing in the last 30 years besides reduce the length of the driver........Just ask Jack, he's been preaching a rollback for the longest......golf has never been more popular, yet a select few keep calling for a change with a solution looking for a problem.

Wait what?!  I haven’t been in this thread for a while, but wasn’t someone saying golf is dying?  He had all kinds of studies and statistics. 
 

Wish I could remember who it was…..not that it matters, I just found it kind of funny 

[Titleist99]

3 minutes ago, deadsolid...shank said:

Wait what?!  I haven’t been in this thread for a while, but wasn’t someone saying golf is dying?  He had all kinds of studies and statistics. 
 

Wish I could remember who it was…..not that it matters, I just found it kind of funny 

Yeah, someone did. He said that the Majors final round was the lowest in history........and golf was on  the decline.

 

This years Masters was one of the highest rating bonanzas in a long time.....