LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[tomjas]

And now for a reality check 

 

Jay is being paid nearly double the salary of NBA Commissioner Adam Silver who oversees a business many times larger than the PGAT 

 

NBA owners would have fired Silver into the sun if LeBron & his mates had defected to another league on his watch 

 

He also earns more than the commissioners of the MLB & NHL while his salary is 10 times that of the Chairman of the BCCI (owner of IPL)

 

He must have photos of someone 

 

 

[stinger_gc]

1 hour ago, bcjim said:

evidence free slander. By any measure Jay has done at a minimum a good job. 

If I were to grade Jay so far I’d give him a solid B. Did a good job navigating the pandemic, big media deal, purses have grown exponentially, etc.

I’m not docking Jay for the PIF deal (think this will be seen as a positive in a couple years) but more so his lack of communication/messaging.

[bekgolf]

Why all the "be mad at Jay" stuff?  Is that the monthly talking point?

[beluga99]

23 minutes ago, bekgolf said:

Why all the "be mad at Jay" stuff?  Is that the monthly talking point?

511 pages deep, so maybe the talking points starting to dry up?  Love all the speculation and potential scenarios.  Probably not going to impact my day to day life though.  I will say this thread inspired me to watch the final round of the Valspar.  Stoked for Malnati, and loved the course.  Proper rough.

 

What's your honest opinion on Jay's performance @bekgolf, that is, to what extent do you believe that Jay has the skills and knowledge to perform his role effectively?

 

a) not at all

b) to some extent

c) very much so

d) don't know

[Titleist99]

33 minutes ago, bekgolf said:

Why all the "be mad at Jay" stuff?  Is that the monthly talking point?

I think that it is the new backdoor slander to promote the failed Saudi tour.

[bekgolf]

3 minutes ago, beluga99 said:

511 pages deep, so maybe the talking points starting to dry up?  Love all the speculation and potential scenarios.  Probably not going to impact my day to day life though.  I will say this thread inspired me to watch the final round of the Valspar.  Stoked for Malnati, and loved the course.  Proper rough.

 

What's your honest opinion on Jay's performance @bekgolf, that is, to what extent do you believe that Jay has the skills and knowledge to perform his role effectively?

 

a) not at all

b) to some extent

c) very much so

d) don't know

 

More than likely he's there because he knew someone who wanted him in his role.  He probably has a staff full of advisors who make most of the decisions but he's the face of the collective.

 

 

[beluga99]

Agreed, would be curious to know how much input he actually has in the decision making. 

[Hawkeye77]

Just like Finchem, Monahan is the face of the corporate side of the Tour so all things that come with it are part of the job. Includes second guessing  by “experts” at running a gigantic and complicated enterprise who couldn’t manage a paper route. 
 

He’s a lightning rod, gets paid well for it. He’s “the man” keeping all these spoiled players down, lol. 
 

Comes with the territory so really can’t feel sorry for him but he’s proven himself plenty qualified for the job. 

[King_Slender]

8 hours ago, beluga99 said:

511 pages deep, so maybe the talking points starting to dry up?  Love all the speculation and potential scenarios.  Probably not going to impact my day to day life though.  I will say this thread inspired me to watch the final round of the Valspar.  Stoked for Malnati, and loved the course.  Proper rough.

 

 

 

Ironic that he won by taking a joke of a drop (within the rules, to be fair) out of the rough into a position to putt. 

[King_Slender]

26 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

Just like Finchem, Monahan is the face of the corporate side of the Tour so all things that come with it are part of the job. Includes second guessing  by “experts” at running a gigantic and complicated enterprise who couldn’t manage a paper route. 
 

He’s a lightning rod, gets paid well for it. He’s “the man” keeping all these spoiled players down, lol. 
 

Comes with the territory so really can’t feel sorry for him but he’s proven himself plenty qualified for the job. 

 

Are you forgetting that he completely ducked testifying to Congress because he "had a medical issue." 

 

It's hard to quantify what Jay has done right the last 2 years other than survive in his position.  

[bcjim]

11 minutes ago, King_Slender said:

 

Are you forgetting that he completely ducked testifying to Congress because he "had a medical issue." 

 

It's hard to quantify what Jay has done right the last 2 years other than survive in his position.  

Please detail for us what he has done wrong then. And certainly, if congress was interested in hearing from him, they could just ask again now. Couldn't they?

[bscinstnct]

25 minutes ago, King_Slender said:

 

Are you forgetting that he completely ducked testifying to Congress because he "had a medical issue." 

 

It's hard to quantify what Jay has done right the last 2 years other than survive in his position.  

🤣 compared to,

 

Bankers and consultants 'could risk 20 years imprisonment from Saudi Arabia officials if they cooperate with the US Senate's probe into LIV Golf and the PGA Tour's merger'

 

Saudi Arabia has reportedly threatened to imprison bankers and consultants it works with if they cooperate with the US Senate's probe into the proposed merger of the PGA Tour and LIV Golf. 

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/golf/article-13058263/amp/Saudi-Arabia-threatens-bankers-consultants-Senate-LIV-Golf-PGA-Tour.html

 

 

 

[stinger_gc]

I actually think Jay does a good job with a lot of things but his communication skills stink

[Hawkeye77]

43 minutes ago, King_Slender said:

 

Are you forgetting that he completely ducked testifying to Congress because he "had a medical issue." 

 

He was off for month because of mental and physical health issues - making fun of that is, well, pathetic.  Just pathetic.  

 

Monahan was seeking help from Congress prior to the announcement of the deal.  He had to step away because of health reasons and after he stepped away the hearing was called.  After he was already on leave, the subcommittee opened its "investigation" which was mostly a song and dance, but nonetheless after Monahan was already away from his duties.

 

The PGA Tour sent its COO and Jimmy Dunne, a board member, so nothing was "ducked".  The testimony was as comprehensive as it could be and there was really nothing contentious overall about the proceeding.  Anyone who took the time to watch it or actually cares about facts knows that the testimony was as detailed as it could be (the Senate was asking about a deal that nobody could really talk about) and there was nothing about Monahan being there that would have mattered - Congress wasn't out to get the Tour in any sense. But some senators wanted to get themselves on the record as anti-Saudi and that is really about all there was to it.

 

The only parties that ducked and did so literally were PIF and LIV including Norman, YAR.  Didn't appear, refused to appear never appeared.  When corporate business partners/advisors of the Saudis were asked to testify they indicated they'd been sued by the Saudis to keep them from talking about the deal.

 

 

Edited March 26 by Hawkeye77

[Golferpaul]

On 3/23/2024 at 4:21 PM, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

You can’t watch the top guys playing exhibition golf either. Closed shop. But that's apparently OK with you? 

No. I never said it was OK with me.   I don't hate LIV like many here, but I'm not a fan.  

 

BTW, my favorite event of the year is the "exhibition golf" event called the Ryder Cup.

[Golferpaul]

47 minutes ago, King_Slender said:

 

It's hard to quantify what Jay has done right the last 2 years other than survive in his position.  

That's because he hasn't done anything right.   He should have been fired two years ago.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

He was off for month because of mental and physical health issues - making fun of that is, well, pathetic.  Just pathetic.  

 

Monahan was seeking help from Congress prior to the announcement of the deal.  He had to step away because of health reasons and after he stepped away the hearing was called.  After he was already on leave, the subcommittee opened its "investigation" which was mostly a song and dance, but nonetheless after Monahan was already away from his duties.

 

The PGA Tour sent its COO and Jimmy Dunne, a board member, so nothing was "ducked".  The testimony was as comprehensive as it could be and there was really nothing contentious overall about the proceeding.  Anyone who took the time to watch it or actually cares about facts knows that the testimony was as detailed as it could be (the Senate was asking about a deal that nobody could really talk about) and there was nothing about Monahan being there that would have mattered - Congress wasn't out to get the Tour in any sense. But some senators wanted to get themselves on the record as anti-Saudi and that is really about all there was to it.

 

The only parties that ducked and did so literally were PIF and LIV including Norman, YAR.  Didn't appear, refused to appear never appeared.  When corporate business partners/advisors of the Saudis were asked to testify they indicated they'd been sued by the Saudis to keep them from talking about the deal.

 

 

[Golferpaul]

Just sayin:

 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

1 minute ago, Golferpaul said:

Just sayin:

 

Fun fact. The PGA Tour wasn't government funded let alone by a dictatorship. 

[Hawkeye77]

1 minute ago, Golferpaul said:

Just sayin:

 

 

Yawn, and in 1812 the United States invaded Canada --- look out, we are headed up there to nationalize walleye fishing.

[bcjim]

19 minutes ago, Golferpaul said:

Just sayin:

 

Did that new tour play 3-round shotguns with blaring music and no fans?

 

[One Putter]

23 minutes ago, Golferpaul said:

Just sayin:

 

More disingenuous posts by the liv fans.

[Pops99]

2 hours ago, King_Slender said:

 

Ironic that he won by taking a joke of a drop (within the rules, to be fair) out of the rough into a position to putt. 

Where's the irony?

 

Was a scummy drop, and I hate it that you can be in deep rough and get a drop on the green, but was 1000% within the rules. 

 

Still unsure as to where the irony in that situation is, though.

[Titleist99]

13 hours ago, tomjas said:

And now for a reality check 

 

Jay is being paid nearly double the salary of NBA Commissioner Adam Silver who oversees a business many times larger than the PGAT 

 

NBA owners would have fired Silver into the sun if LeBron & his mates had defected to another league on his watch 

 

He also earns more than the commissioners of the MLB & NHL while his salary is 10 times that of the Cgolf hairman of the BCCI (owner of IPL)

 

He must have photos of someone 

 

 

Your comparison is apples to oranges. You should compare Jay Monahan to other golf CEO's or commissioners like Greg Norman.

[Shilgy]

3 hours ago, King_Slender said:

 

Ironic that he won by taking a joke of a drop (within the rules, to be fair) out of the rough into a position to putt. 

And you would have received the same drop…as you noted it is just in the rules.  So why was it a joke?  Favorable result? Yes.  Joke? No.

[Hawkeye77]

Good news - before media gets all wrapped up in the contrived LIV vs. Tour matchups at The Masters we have a couple of weeks to relax and enjoy golf without much sideshow.  The last three weeks on the Tour have been pretty darn good and (next week? I don't pay attention) those that want to watch a LIV event will have one to watch.  

 

Talk about the AGNWA and DCP has already started - two of the best events in golf!

[ALIF]

4 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

He was off for month because of mental and physical health issues - making fun of that is, well, pathetic.  Just pathetic.  

 

Monahan was seeking help from Congress prior to the announcement of the deal.  He had to step away because of health reasons and after he stepped away the hearing was called.  After he was already on leave, the subcommittee opened its "investigation" which was mostly a song and dance, but nonetheless after Monahan was already away from his duties.

 

The PGA Tour sent its COO and Jimmy Dunne, a board member, so nothing was "ducked".  The testimony was as comprehensive as it could be and there was really nothing contentious overall about the proceeding.  Anyone who took the time to watch it or actually cares about facts knows that the testimony was as detailed as it could be (the Senate was asking about a deal that nobody could really talk about) and there was nothing about Monahan being there that would have mattered - Congress wasn't out to get the Tour in any sense. But some senators wanted to get themselves on the record as anti-Saudi and that is really about all there was to it.

 

The only parties that ducked and did so literally were PIF and LIV including Norman, YAR.  Didn't appear, refused to appear never appeared.  When corporate business partners/advisors of the Saudis were asked to testify they indicated they'd been sued by the Saudis to keep them from talking about the deal.

 

 

That was a very "convenient" time to have a month off. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck I wonder what it probably is? A duck??

[idrive]

16 hours ago, tomjas said:

And now for a reality check 

 

Jay is being paid nearly double the salary of NBA Commissioner Adam Silver who oversees a business many times larger than the PGAT 

 

NBA owners would have fired Silver into the sun if LeBron & his mates had defected to another league on his watch 

 

He also earns more than the commissioners of the MLB & NHL while his salary is 10 times that of the Chairman of the BCCI (owner of IPL)

 

He must have photos of someone 

 

 

 

I thought this was the liv discussion thread?

 

I find rather humorous that the liv folk don't talk up liv, only talk everyone and everything else down.

[Ghost of Snead]

5 hours ago, Golferpaul said:

Just sayin:

 

 

Back in 1968, did the new APG Tour just poach a few players for millions or did all touring pros spilt and head for the APG ? 

 

THE REVOLT OF THE TOURING PROS - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI.com

[Shilgy]

6 minutes ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

Back in 1968, did the new APG Tour just poach a few players for millions or did all touring pros spilt and head for the APG ? 

 

THE REVOLT OF THE TOURING PROS - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI.com

Exactly.  Much like they do today with the Ryder Cup profits the PGA of America was funneling too much of the tour derived income to the club pro programs.