LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[drn92]

12 hours ago, bcjim said:

Because if their name players leave, it's over.  There will be literally nobody watching instead of almost nobody. 

Tough spot to be in for Yassir.

 

Brooks and Bryson are the main concerns because they can still play and they saw what Rahm got. The others are either old or don't gaf about golf, are 2nd rate players won't get money anyway,  or Niemann.  I don't know about him.  Seems like a player but it's tough to judge and he's certainly not a giant bonus type of guy. 

But right now, unless things change, their name players have no other big tour to play on. 
 

drn92

[drn92]

8 hours ago, Shilgy said:

Maybe so they don’t leave LIV?

Where would they go?

 

drn92

[notsohard]

On 3/23/2024 at 6:16 AM, Titleist84 said:

Good point on OWGR timeline, Greg did promise them they would get ranking points and be able to play in the majors at first.  I still think this could've all been avoided if the tour just gave the players exemptions to play in LIV events.

Sorry bud, going to have to pull you up on that one, and others here that have perpetrated that lie.

Let me tell you a FACT......At signing for LIV, from day one every player was told clearly that if they joined LIV, OWGR points would more than likely not be given to LIV and therefore their chance of playing in Majors would be slim and diminish. FACT. 

 

 

[idrive]

11 hours ago, tomjas said:

He actually puts out some good practice content 

 

Perhaps, but keep in mind one shoe doesn't fit all...

 

FOR ME:  He's the last guy I would want or need "good practice content" from. 

 

The guy knows how to play his game. Obviously, it's not the same game us mere mortals play.

 

Too bad he has to make YouTube videos to be seen, stay relevant. Many others and I haven't seen him play in quite some time, whether we want to or not.

[RobS]

5 hours ago, notsohard said:

Sorry bud, going to have to pull you up on that one, and others here that have perpetrated that lie.

Let me tell you a FACT......At signing for LIV, from day one every player was told clearly that if they joined LIV, OWGR points would more than likely not be given to LIV and therefore their chance of playing in Majors would be slim and diminish. FACT. 

 

 

Carlos Ortiz claimed, "It was definitely said that we were going to get them" when asked about OWGR points on Colt Knost's podcast.  To be fair, he acknowledged that they knew it wouldn't be immediate.  Perhaps different players were told different things.

[bcjim]

13 hours ago, drn92 said:

But right now, unless things change, their name players have no other big tour to play on. 
 

drn92

Is their status known? Would the tour try to keep them out? Prevent sponsor invites? I think they are welcomed back if they quit liv.

[Togatown22]

6 hours ago, notsohard said:

Sorry bud, going to have to pull you up on that one, and others here that have perpetrated that lie.

Let me tell you a FACT......At signing for LIV, from day one every player was told clearly that if they joined LIV, OWGR points would more than likely not be given to LIV and therefore their chance of playing in Majors would be slim and diminish. FACT. 

 

 

Can you show us how you know that is a 'FACT'?  

I'd be interested to read that, wherever it could be verified.

Edited March 31 by Togatown22

[ThinkingPlus]

2 hours ago, Togatown22 said:

Can you show us how you know that is a 'FACT'?  

I'd be interested to read that, wherever it could be verified.

Probably ol softy is a PIF employee so he knows the inside scoop...

[drn92]

4 hours ago, bcjim said:

Is their status known? Would the tour try to keep them out? Prevent sponsor invites? I think they are welcomed back if they quit liv.

Lots of moving pieces and I have not kept up on the day to day, but last I understood there would be some type of waiting period/penalty before any of the LIV guys would be allowed back.  I thought they lost their status on the PGA Tour and in addition to the waiting period would have to requalify to rejoin.  

 

I guess that would not prohibit sponsor's exemptions, but there are only so many of those to go around.  Plus, I guess if everyone decides to play nice there may be a path back, but as of today I do not think they have another major tour they could just rejoin when their contracts run out.

 

drn92

[tomjas]

9 hours ago, idrive said:

 

Perhaps, but keep in mind one shoe doesn't fit all...

 

FOR ME:  He's the last guy I would want or need "good practice content" from. 

 

The guy knows how to play his game. Obviously, it's not the same game us mere mortals play.

 

Too bad he has to make YouTube videos to be seen, stay relevant. Many others and I haven't seen him play in quite some time, whether we want to or not.

Many people see him play regularly 

 

You choose not to 

 

Weird but your choice 

[notsohard]

16 hours ago, Togatown22 said:

Can you show us how you know that is a 'FACT'?  

I'd be interested to read that, wherever it could be verified.

I won't name my source, but marc has been vocal, and it's been out there from day one.

Yes, absolutely true that LIV was going for OWGR, but that didn't work out with the format they had.

That will change.

 

Edited April 1 by notsohard

[idrive]

12 hours ago, notsohard said:

Sorry bud, going to have to pull you up on that one, and others here that have perpetrated that lie.

Let me tell you a FACT......At signing for LIV, from day one every player was told clearly that if they joined LIV, OWGR points would more than likely not be given to LIV and therefore their chance of playing in Majors would be slim and diminish. FACT. 

 

 

 

Not sure where you get your FACTS but you are dead wrong. Norman told several players that they would be getting OWGR points sooner than later. There have been several players that have mentioned it.

 

FACT.  -  Sorry bud.

[jdl]

12 hours ago, notsohard said:

Sorry bud, going to have to pull you up on that one, and others here that have perpetrated that lie.

Let me tell you a FACT......At signing for LIV, from day one every player was told clearly that if they joined LIV, OWGR points would more than likely not be given to LIV and therefore their chance of playing in Majors would be slim and diminish. FACT. 

 

 

So when those guys spent the next few years constantly whining about not getting those points....?

 

Lying?

Stupid?

Part of their contracts required it?

 

Inquiring minds want to know!

[notsohard]

1 hour ago, idrive said:

 

Not sure where you get your FACTS but you are dead wrong. Norman told several players that they would be getting OWGR points sooner than later. There have been several players that have mentioned it.

 

FACT.  -  Sorry bud.

Ok then, Cheers. Have a nice day.

[bcjim]

6 hours ago, drn92 said:

Lots of moving pieces and I have not kept up on the day to day, but last I understood there would be some type of waiting period/penalty before any of the LIV guys would be allowed back.  I thought they lost their status on the PGA Tour and in addition to the waiting period would have to requalify to rejoin.  

 

I guess that would not prohibit sponsor's exemptions, but there are only so many of those to go around.  Plus, I guess if everyone decides to play nice there may be a path back, but as of today I do not think they have another major tour they could just rejoin when their contracts run out.

 

drn92

I don't think requalifying via available major exemptions and sponsor invites would hamper the actual top talent much. Lesser guys might need some other path (KFT or whatever) if liv folded but if Brooks and Bryson just declined a new contract, they'd be back in 4 weeks if they weren't blackballed.

[Hawkeye77]

17 hours ago, notsohard said:

Sorry bud, going to have to pull you up on that one, and others here that have perpetrated that lie.

Let me tell you a FACT......At signing for LIV, from day one every player was told clearly that if they joined LIV, OWGR points would more than likely not be given to LIV and therefore their chance of playing in Majors would be slim and diminish. FACT. 

 

 

Carlos Ortiz says otherwise.

[tacklingdummy]

On another website, Talor Gooch has received and accepted a special invitation to play in next week’s Masters. Good one.  😂🤣

 

 

 

Edited April 2 by tacklingdummy

[notsohard]

On 4/1/2024 at 1:35 PM, Hawkeye77 said:

Carlos Ortiz says otherwise.

 

 

The interviewer said, "going in you all knew you weren't going to get them...........were you all told eventually you would get ranking points."

 

Carlos........"they, look, i think it's both, they said definitely we are going to get them........." which will happen.

 

The media loves to give a story that gets in the way of the truth.

[Hawkeye77]

6 hours ago, notsohard said:

 

 

The interviewer said, "going in you all knew you weren't going to get them...........were you all told eventually you would get ranking points."

 

Carlos........"they, look, i think it's both, they said definitely we are going to get them........." which will happen.

 

The media loves to give a story that gets in the way of the truth.

 

LOL, he literally said they were all told they were going to get ranking points - come on.  And yes, he knew when he joined he wasn't going to get them at the outset - that was the whole point of LIV assuring players they would get them and apparently some players relied on that - silly players. 

 

Some got enough $$$$$$ they really didn't or shouldn't care and then wanted it both ways, but that's a different issue.

[betarhoalphadelta]

On 3/31/2024 at 1:00 PM, drn92 said:

Lots of moving pieces and I have not kept up on the day to day, but last I understood there would be some type of waiting period/penalty before any of the LIV guys would be allowed back.  I thought they lost their status on the PGA Tour and in addition to the waiting period would have to requalify to rejoin.  

 

I guess that would not prohibit sponsor's exemptions, but there are only so many of those to go around.  Plus, I guess if everyone decides to play nice there may be a path back, but as of today I do not think they have another major tour they could just rejoin when their contracts run out.

 

drn92

 

The thing about "last I understood..." is that nobody really knows. It simply hasn't been determined. I believe the stated suspensions were for 1 year (some have said it's 1 year since their most recent LIV appearance but it's unclear if that is official) and I do believe that it was publicly written that LIV players were barred from sponsor exemptions as well. 

 

But as we haven't yet have a player that chooses to leave LIV and try to come back to the PGAT, we simply have no clue how it would be handled. If they left with status and wanted to come back, it's unclear what accommodations or hoops to jump through the PGAT would put in front of them. 

 

I think all we can do is speculate. If there were a couple of higher-profile players (or a mix of high and mid profile) who wanted to leave LIV and come back, I think the PGAT would view that as a devastating incrimination of what things are like on the LIV tour, and would probably want to find a way to bring those players back into the fold with minimal fuss--just enough fuss to make the PGAT players who didn't leave comfortable that it wasn't some "red carpet" treatment. 

 

If players want to leave LIV and come back to the PGAT, that's a huge win for the PGAT. Trying to stop them is scoring an own goal. 

[notsohard]

7 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

LOL, he literally said they were all told they were going to get ranking points - come on.  And yes, he knew when he joined he wasn't going to get them at the outset - that was the whole point of LIV assuring players they would get them and apparently some players relied on that - silly players. 

 

Some got enough $$$$$$ they really didn't or shouldn't care and then wanted it both ways, but that's a different issue.

 

When this is all done and dusted, the deal finished, OWGR will be reinstated. The 4 majors want this done.

[King_Slender]

On 3/31/2024 at 4:00 PM, drn92 said:

Lots of moving pieces and I have not kept up on the day to day, but last I understood there would be some type of waiting period/penalty before any of the LIV guys would be allowed back.  I thought they lost their status on the PGA Tour and in addition to the waiting period would have to requalify to rejoin.  

 

I guess that would not prohibit sponsor's exemptions, but there are only so many of those to go around.  Plus, I guess if everyone decides to play nice there may be a path back, but as of today I do not think they have another major tour they could just rejoin when their contracts run out.

 

drn92

 

All subject to negotiation.  The problem is that LIV guys don't want to come back.  They want to play a few of the bigger tournaments, qualify for the majors, and LIV is even open to allowing some PGA guys in their events - Norman has said as much.

 

 

[Hawkeye77]

9 minutes ago, notsohard said:

 

When this is all done and dusted, the deal finished, OWGR will be reinstated. The 4 majors want this done.

OWGR doesn’t need to be “reinstated”. 
 

How ranking points are assigned would certainly get looked at, that’s obvious. 
 

I’m sure LIV wants to “deliver” on its false promises, but then again who cares - they got the $$$$ and wanted the alternative golf lifestyle. 
 

Very much doubt there will be a seamless integration without consequence back into OWGR status but the “majors” are already represented on the OWGR board and it hasn’t acted with anything other than a firm voice so far so anything they wanted done, lol, would have been done.  
 

 

[woahnelly]

5 hours ago, notsohard said:

 

When this is all done and dusted, the deal finished, OWGR will be reinstated. The 4 majors want this done.

 

The majors are sitting in their ivory tower loving all the toxic back and forth between the two parties... Why would they want a peaceful coexistence? The PGA v LIV guys just adds an additional layer of drama for the viewers and providing fields of the "best of the best" (sans the Goochfather of course)

[King_Slender]

9 hours ago, woahnelly said:

 

The majors are sitting in their ivory tower loving all the toxic back and forth between the two parties... Why would they want a peaceful coexistence? The PGA v LIV guys just adds an additional layer of drama for the viewers and providing fields of the "best of the best" (sans the Goochfather of course)

 

Because the Majors are dependent on the OWGR for much of their field and the LIV players' OWGR rankings will wither and eventually make all of them ineligible.  

 

It's not as obvious now since guys like DJ, Koepka, Smith, Rahm, etc. all have exemptions from winning majors, but if this isn't resolved you could very easily have guys like Koepka and Rahm on the outside looking in in 5 years (which could happen anyway, to be fair) while the fields get filled with the latest edition of Peter Malnati.

 

Right now you absolutely have probably 6-7 guys who would not be getting invites who are getting in via winning in weak field events. 

Edited April 3 by King_Slender

[ahenderX]

5 hours ago, King_Slender said:

 

Because the Majors are dependent on the OWGR for much of their field and the LIV players' OWGR rankings will wither and eventually make all of them ineligible.  

 

It's not as obvious now since guys like DJ, Koepka, Smith, Rahm, etc. all have exemptions from winning majors, but if this isn't resolved you could very easily have guys like Koepka and Rahm on the outside looking in in 5 years (which could happen anyway, to be fair) while the fields get filled with the latest edition of Peter Malnati.

 

Right now you absolutely have probably 6-7 guys who would not be getting invites who are getting in via winning in weak field events. 

Correct me if I’m wrong. All PGA Tour event winners get an invite to the Masters. The exception is opposite field events. A weaker field has nothing to do with it.

[Golferpaul]

5 hours ago, King_Slender said:

 

Because the Majors are dependent on the OWGR for much of their field and the LIV players' OWGR rankings will wither and eventually make all of them ineligible.  

 

It's not as obvious now since guys like DJ, Koepka, Smith, Rahm, etc. all have exemptions from winning majors, but if this isn't resolved you could very easily have guys like Koepka and Rahm on the outside looking in in 5 years (which could happen anyway, to be fair) while the fields get filled with the latest edition of Peter Malnati.

 

And that will be a sad day for golf.  If so, the majors will follow the downward spiral of the TPC Sawgrass where many of the top players were not playing.  I miss the days when Sawgrass had one of the best fields in golf.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

5 hours ago, King_Slender said:

 

Because the Majors are dependent on the OWGR for much of their field and the LIV players' OWGR rankings will wither and eventually make all of them ineligible.  

 

It's not as obvious now since guys like DJ, Koepka, Smith, Rahm, etc. all have exemptions from winning majors, but if this isn't resolved you could very easily have guys like Koepka and Rahm on the outside looking in in 5 years (which could happen anyway, to be fair) while the fields get filled with the latest edition of Peter Malnati.

 

Right now you absolutely have probably 6-7 guys who would not be getting invites who are getting in via winning in weak field events. 

A problem created by LIV. The solution lies with LIV, not with the rest of professional golf. 

[NetBogey]

Liv golfers who are in the masters. Saw an interesting question on Facebook. How many liv golfers do you think top 10 at the masters? 
 

I see 8 having a very good chance of getting in the top ten.  With that said Id bet 4 liv golfers finish in the top 10:

 

DJ

Rahm

Smith

Joaco 

 

[stinger_gc]

1 hour ago, ahenderX said:

Correct me if I’m wrong. All PGA Tour event winners get an invite to the Masters. The exception is opposite field events. A weaker field has nothing to do with it.

Correct. Also the majors & every major tour outside of LIV are the owgr. It’s been like that for over 30 years & I doubt they’re gonna change for a 54 hole tour with 50ish players.