AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS/REFERENCES ***)

[grm24]

 

[bscinstnct]

Omg go outside and hit the ball!

 

Can you imagine Old Tom Morris be playin in gale force winds prolly see ships getting wrecked in the North Sea while he putting out…

 

And these namby pambys drinkin champagne coolies can’t go play?!

[TiScape]

[ThaPebblePlaya]

I was attending the event in person. In my opinion the PGA Tour made a huge error in course maintenance. Now we are forced to halt play on 53 holes because the green on 1 hole was cut too short. It is a tragedy because 95% of eyeballs were on Pebble today anyway, in my estimation 99.999% of spectators and TV viewers want to see play continue at Pebble regardless of what is happening on one green miles away at MPCC.

[Justsomeguy]

4 hours ago, ThaPebblePlaya said:

I was attending the event in person. In my opinion the PGA Tour made a huge error in course maintenance. Now we are forced to halt play on 53 holes because the green on 1 hole was cut too short. It is a tragedy because 95% of eyeballs were on Pebble today anyway, in my estimation 99.999% of spectators and TV viewers want to see play continue at Pebble regardless of what is happening on one green miles away at MPCC.

What really happened?

[ThaPebblePlaya]

11 minutes ago, Justsomeguy said:

What really happened?

Due to wind + conditions + pin position, balls on MPCC 9 were not able to hold the green, making the hole into kind of a circus. Now you might argue that PGAT is not responsible for wind, but they are responsible for conditions and pin, if wind is expected to be up (and it's winter at Pebble with mild storm conditions) then you know wind is going to be up, so you should let the green grow out. PGAT wants fast greens though so they took the risk and they paid the price.

 

So due to PGAT rules, one hole is unplayable, therefore all golf must stop across all three courses, which is a major PITA because (1) Pebble was perfectly playable (though tough conditions admittedly) and (2) Pebble is where all the spectators + cameras + "A Team" (celebs and pros) are, MPCC is kind of an afterthought. So you're telling the people out at the course (and the people at home) so sorry, you can't watch your golf because a single hole at the other course a few miles down the road is unplayable because we screwed up, have a nice trip back home.

 

If PGAT didn't want to let the pros play Spy and Pebble then they should have just let the amateurs play alone today.

[CourseJester]

No amateurs playing in the fourth round. 
 

Pro’s only. Cut reverting to 65 + ties. 

[KennyP]

6 hours ago, CourseJester said:

No amateurs playing in the fourth round. 
 

Pro’s only. Cut reverting to 65 + ties. 

 

This probably should be the format used every year.

[iutodd]

 

 

Apparently Justin Rose made this happen.

[Ex Blade User]

On 2/3/2023 at 6:52 PM, TiScape said:

I have already ordered and received the same joggers Sam wore last week. Rose’s shoes on order! (Raise the roof emoji) 

You are not allowed to comment on the validity of golf courses anymore 

[Justsomeguy]

38 minutes ago, iutodd said:

 

 

Apparently Justin Rose made this happen.

Does he get to replay the hole?

[Jayjay_theweim_guy]

16 hours ago, ThaPebblePlaya said:

...In my opinion the PGA Tour made a huge error in course maintenance. Now we are forced to halt play on 53 holes because the green on 1 hole was cut too short...

The answer, right here. 

 

I'd read today that they were going to play Monday, and thought, "Jeez, rained out again?!"  But instead the reason is because it's windy and you idiots decide to embrace your inner USGA and screwed up the green on a hole?  (Obviously, I haven't been following the action.  Stupid work...)

 

Windy?!  You play the tournament by the ocean, for Chrissakes!  In winter.  It's supposed to be windy in February! 

 

Ugh.

Edited February 5, 2023 by Jayjay_theweim_guy

[Jayjay_theweim_guy]

Maybe they should move the tournament back to Poppy from MPCC, if this sort of thing can happen?

 

Alternately, what's the rule if, for instance, a tree were to fall mid-round and destroy the area of the green where the cup was?  Is removing the tree, cutting a new hole location, and playing on, an option?

[Ghost of Snead]

14 minutes ago, Jayjay_theweim_guy said:

Maybe they should move the tournament back to Poppy from MPCC, if this sort of thing can happen?

 

Alternately, what's the rule if, for instance, a tree were to fall mid-round and destroy the area of the green where the cup was?  Is removing the tree, cutting a new hole location, and playing on, an option?

 

Maybe they should move the tournament out of early Feb so they don't have to deal with this kind of weather

[Rob G 89]

So if I’m understanding this correctly they are finishing the 3rd round now and will have tape delayed coverage in 2023? Why not just start it later so it’s on live tv. I just don’t understand the pga tour.

[m d g]

34 minutes ago, Jayjay_theweim_guy said:

Windy?!  You play the tournament by the ocean, for Chrissakes!  In winter.  It's supposed to be windy in February! 

Exactly...same weather we've been having at this time of year in this part of California for the past few hundred thousand years.

 

Kind of foreseeable...

[ThaPebblePlaya]

1 hour ago, Jayjay_theweim_guy said:

Maybe they should move the tournament back to Poppy from MPCC, if this sort of thing can happen?

 

Alternately, what's the rule if, for instance, a tree were to fall mid-round and destroy the area of the green where the cup was?  Is removing the tree, cutting a new hole location, and playing on, an option?

Based on the diminishing fields every year, I suspect they are going to blow up the format within the next few years and stick to pros only on Spy + Pebble (same format as 2021).

 

If a tree were going to fall, it would have fallen a few weeks ago when it basically rained / stormed for 3 consecutive weeks. So it's pretty unlikely. The weather this weekend isn't really all that bad compared to what we had a few weeks ago, we're fortunate in that regard.

 

My prediction for today is that they play through the weather to finish the 3rd round, then pack it in for the day and start the 4th round tomorrow morning. Weather looks good for tomorrow, should be a good final round.

Edited February 5, 2023 by ThaPebblePlaya

[Krt22]

13 hours ago, ThaPebblePlaya said:

Due to wind + conditions + pin position, balls on MPCC 9 were not able to hold the green, making the hole into kind of a circus. Now you might argue that PGAT is not responsible for wind, but they are responsible for conditions and pin, if wind is expected to be up (and it's winter at Pebble with mild storm conditions) then you know wind is going to be up, so you should let the green grow out. PGAT wants fast greens though so they took the risk and they paid the price.

 

So due to PGAT rules, one hole is unplayable, therefore all golf must stop across all three courses, which is a major PITA because (1) Pebble was perfectly playable (though tough conditions admittedly) and (2) Pebble is where all the spectators + cameras + "A Team" (celebs and pros) are, MPCC is kind of an afterthought. So you're telling the people out at the course (and the people at home) so sorry, you can't watch your golf because a single hole at the other course a few miles down the road is unplayable because we screwed up, have a nice trip back home.

 

If PGAT didn't want to let the pros play Spy and Pebble then they should have just let the amateurs play alone today.

Come on man, it's the Monterey micro-climates. Getting more and more extreme due to climate change as well. Blowing 40 on one hole and calm 3 miles away, we only have ourselves to blame🤪

[khalespace]

I have a single bet, $5 to win $400 on Kurt Kitayama. Hope he wins.

[TiScape]

2 hours ago, Ex Blade User said:

You are not allowed to comment on the validity of golf courses anymore 

Haha, that’s funny. I do think Sam looked pretty ridiculous and I personally wouldn’t wear Jordan’s on the course. But also doesn’t bother me if someone does. Nice to see some variety out there. 
  And I don’t think I so much comment on the validity of courses or tournaments. I’d say I just see and focus on the positive aspects of ‘em instead of all the negatives. I realize that’s not very “WRXey” of me! Haha. Heck, rare these days in general from what I see. 

[PracticeSwinger]

3 hours ago, iutodd said:

 

 

Apparently Justin Rose made this happen.

A bit of a weird call since he birdied the 9th; the hole they were talking about… maybe he complained enough so they just gave him a birdie to shut him up haha

[jdl]

Some guys outside the cut line are WD so they can play the MQ for Phoenix.

 

 

[TiScape]

Malnati, what a great personality and attitude! 

[Gregakin]

Is it possible to not pull for Peter Malanti today? I'd rather listen to this guy after shooting 73, than Spieth after a 63. Breath of fresh air.

[TiScape]

1 minute ago, Gregakin said:

Is it possible to not pull for Peter Malanti today? I'd rather listen to this guy after shooting 73, than Spieth after a 63. Breathe of fresh air.

IKR! We need more of him (that) around here! Lol

[TiScape]

Rodgers with the HR over the left field fence on 18! Lol

[Jayjay_theweim_guy]

1 hour ago, ThaPebblePlaya said:

Based on the diminishing fields every year, I suspect they are going to blow up the format within the next few years and stick to pros only on Spy + Pebble (same format as 2021).

 

If a tree were going to fall, it would have fallen a few weeks ago when it basically rained / stormed for 3 consecutive weeks. So it's pretty unlikely. The weather this weekend isn't really all that bad compared to what we had a few weeks ago, we're fortunate in that regard.

 

My prediction for today is that they play through the weather to finish the 3rd round, then pack it in for the day and start the 4th round tomorrow morning. Weather looks good for tomorrow, should be a good final round.

I picked the tree, as a hypothetical for a given hole location becoming unplayable mid-tournament and mid-round, as evidently MPCC Shore #9 became due to an act of Nature. (Or was it #9 on Dunes?  As I wrote earlier, I'm not paying the closest of attention to this.)  I.e., how does a Tournament Committee usually handle this kind of situation?

 

I'd think cutting another hole on #9, and preserving Saturday eyeballs and $ for the Network and Tournament, would be better than the solution they chose instead, and I was curious how other tournaments and clubs handled similar situations---a hole which becomes unplayable mid-round.

[manku]

Duhamel and Bateman playing together, with Lego Batman caddying.

 

Riveting stuff.

 

Fortunately only 30 minutes left until Milan derby starts...that is always very testy and entertaining, even if Serie A is crap.

[bekgolf]

Hovland with the shot of the day!

[TiScape]

Where in the heck is Bull Murray?! Haven’t seen him at all. I was promised a lot of Bill Murray today!!! Ugh