MEMBERS' CHOICE: Best driver of 2018? Poll added

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  • KaexoKaexo Members Posts: 671 ✭✭
    edited Feb 22, 2018 #62
    I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.



    Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.



    I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.



    They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.
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  • Big BenBig Ben Members Posts: 9,039 ✭✭
    My vote went to the G400 and I'm loving my setup but I'm certain if properly fit I could say the same thing about just about every driver on the list. BB
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  • Adbeach321Adbeach321 Members Posts: 148 ✭✭
    From a Titleist fan, I thought the 917 d2 had a very odd shape to it. Felt good though. M3 was meh, m4 looked open at address and was nothing exciting to hit. The rogue looked like the epic and fusion had a baby, liked it though. G400 felt, sounded and looked really good. It's the only one so far this year tempting me from 2016 m2.



    Can't find any of the new Mizuno drivers in lefty to test.
  • MCozMCoz Members Posts: 884 ✭✭
    My vote went to the club in my bag. In the bag should mean something. My choice is the TM M3 440. I tested many of the others with shafts suitable to my game (not stock shafts). Second was the TM M3 460. I usually prefer the smaller TM head although I did play the original M2 in 460. I found the Callaway Rogues similar to the Epics which were good but they were slightly shorter and while very straight I couldn't work the ball. The Ping G400Lst was the shortest of the new clubs I hit, but I have never had much success with Ping drivers, usually too much spin. The Cleveland Launcher HB was too light and more of a draw club. (I used to play the original Launchers back "in the day". I liked the Bridgestone XD 7, nice boring trajectory not as consistent as the M3.

    I only hit a half dozen shots with the Vertical Groove and I hit some really good shots but curiously had a couple just drop out of the sky, I wasn't able to compare distances with it. By the way the twist face seems to work very well for me. Heel shots always come back although a little lower than a well struck shots. Toe shots do draw back with a high trajectory. Heel shots usually more in center of the fairway, toe's carry longer.
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  • FlyOverFlyOver SoCalMembers Posts: 394 ✭✭
    Kaexo wrote:



    Update:



    I sat in on my friends fitting at Carl’s Golfland last night and saw him hit:



    Taylormade M3

    Ping G400 Max with multiple shafts

    Cobra F8

    Callaway Rogue SZ with multiple shafts



    His average stats with the winning setup for those that have similar numbers:

    Swing Speed: 102

    Ball Speed: 153

    Launch angle: 13

    AoA: between +3 and +5

    Spin rate: 2200

    Carry distance: 255

    Total: 283



    His winning setup: Rogue SZ 9* w PX Evenflow 60 6.5



    His swing speed is between 101-104 currently and he was getting ridiculous ball speeds and smash off the Rogue SZ with PX Evenflow shaft which ended up winning his fitting. Rogue SZ produced the highest ball speeds and best dispersion regardless of shaft in comparison to the others. He averaged 1.5 smash with the Rogue SZ and 1.47 or less on everything else he tried. The Ping G400 Max would have been the next best club for him but the ball speeds were lower and disepersion was not nearly as good. Surprised the Rogue SZ was actually MORE forgiving on mishits for him than the G400 max.



    I hit a couple balls after his fitting was complete and I saw the same thing I said a couple days ago... Rogue SZ for me is a dead head. I ripped one and caught it dead center and ball speed was down almost 10 mph.

    My numbers on 2 balls with my driver:

    SS: 127

    BS: 188

    LA: 12

    AoA: +2

    Spin: 2200

    CD: 314

    TD: 335



    **MY TAKEAWAY:

    If you are swinging your driver 90-110 mph the Rogue creates some serious ball speed. If you swing over 115 mph Rogue starts to lose its pop. I swing about 126-128 right now and I saw the best ball speeds off of M3 followed closet by G400 LsT. I saw a 4 mph increase in ball speed with the M3 over my 2016 M1 and 2 mph increase with the G400 LsT on nearly identical strikes however, my M1 has my heavy + short 80tx shaft and the M3 I hit was a 60 gram version so the difference in ball speed must have come from the added speed from the lighter club. After looking at the numbers I actually think I am going to try my beloved 2016 M1 head on a lower setting. My land angle was about 44* and peak height was higher than I’d like so I can definitely improve a little on my own driver. I also think at a lower loft I will get a little better ball speed off my M1 as well.



    **If you are under 110 mph ss: Callaway w Jailbreak is better

    ** if you are over 115 mph ss: Taylormade w Hammerhead is better

    ** if you hate both of them... Ping G400 LsT is a heavyweight contender




    You sound like you know what you're talking about but I have to call bullxxxx on some of what you are saying. All of the current drivers from the big 5 are within 1-2 mph and a few yards and I rarely see anything over that no matter the company whether it's ping tm Callaway cobra or even Mizuno.



    So for you to say you nutted the Rogue and lost 10 mph is completely false. I guarantee it. I don't swing 128 like you claim but I do reach 115-118 and the Rogue SZ, G400 LST, G400 Max, F8+, and M3 all we within 1 mph and 2-4 yards carry/total distance.



    Also to make a claim that the Callaway helps slower swingers gain more ball speed than higher is comical. That's how every driver is made. A faster swinger is only going to get so much out of every driver.



    Go watch Alex Etches at Golf Box Reviews. He doesn't struggle with ball speed at all with the Rogue. Regularly reaches 180mph+ ball carrying it 342 yards. Rogue regularly has been the highest ball speed driver he has tested but again all have been in the ball park. He nor I have ever lost 10mph from any modern day driver from the big 5.



    To say one driver is better than the other is just opinion anymore especially if we are comparing the big 5.




    I agree, as you posted Alex Etches isn’t losing ball speed!



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  • dmeeksDCdmeeksDC ClubWRX Posts: 2,208 ClubWRX
    Kaexo wrote:


    I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.



    Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.



    I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.



    They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.




    +1. Guys with high swingspeeds are crushing the Rogue. And what I would say is check the monitor because the one you are on has you swinging the club faster than Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, Rory Mcilroy, Tony Finau, Johnny Vegas, etc., all of whom average 120-124 with the occasional swing at 125-127. But they are generally in the low 120s.



    These big drops in ballspeed. Are you hitting the Rogue in the middle of the face at 128 and you’re seeing a huge drop? PGA Tour pros cannot swing it that fast AND center it with any consistency.



    If the Rogue was 10 mph less than competitors, that news would travel like wildfire. It has to be anecdotal or the LM is jacked or the contact is moving around the face. If you were hitting off center, a 10 mph drop would be possible and likely. But in the middle with a 10 mph drop? Doesn’t seem even possible given the quality of the club.
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  • ThunderBuzzworthThunderBuzzworth Hulk... Smash!! Members Posts: 2,565 ✭✭
    edited Feb 23, 2018 #68
    dmeeksDC wrote:

    Kaexo wrote:


    I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.



    Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.



    I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.



    They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.




    +1. Guys with high swingspeeds are crushing the Rogue. And what I would say is check the monitor because the one you are on has you swinging the club faster than Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, Rory Mcilroy, Tony Finau, Johnny Vegas, etc., all of whom average 120-124 with the occasional swing at 125-127. But they are generally in the low 120s.



    These big drops in ballspeed. Are you hitting the Rogue in the middle of the face at 128 and you’re seeing a huge drop? PGA Tour pros cannot swing it that fast AND center it with any consistency.



    If the Rogue was 10 mph less than competitors, that news would travel like wildfire. It has to be anecdotal or the LM is jacked or the contact is moving around the face. If you were hitting off center, a 10 mph drop would be possible and likely. But in the middle with a 10 mph drop? Doesn’t seem even possible given the quality of the club.




    Here we go again.. did anyone really look at that Alex Etches video? His ss on the first ball was 128 mph yet ball speed was under 180... that’s a smash of 1.39.... and he even said he killed it. This kind of proves my point. If he really nutted one at 128 he should be at 190+ ball speeds but he is nowhere close.. about 10 mph off actually. Plus his “range monitor” is set downwind for some reason. You don’t get 342 yard carry with 178-179 ball speeds and 2700 spin.



    Seriously don’t care to hear about what you think I am capable of compared to DJ, Finau, Rory Bubba, etc (ALL OF WHICH YOU NAMED DO NOT USE Callaway anyway). And I hit on Trackman.. the same Trackman I have been fitted on multiple times. Actually 3 different Trackman monitors. The same system that all these pros use daily. I was fit once at the Taylormade Kingdom Reynolds Plantation by one of the people that fits the tour players. I don’t need to argue to prove my point, info is all out there if you really doubt my numbers and this is what I saw. Also seems to be what this Alex guy gets out of it too unless you know of a video where he is getting 190 ball speed with his swing speed.



    Both days I hit the Rogue SZ on Trackman were 5 balls one day and 3 balls the other day. Both days my 3 wood was nearing the ball speeds of the Rogue SZ Driver. Take what you want from my findings. Unbelievable to record actual data and be called a liar. Basically all I’m saying here is if you swing over 120 and you don’t have access to Trackman, the keep an eye on Rogue vs Ping vs Taylormade because I personally found that the Ping and Taylormade have more pop for me at my speed while at the same time the Rogue had way more pop than Ping and Taylormade for my good friend at his speeds. Should this happen? I don’t know but it did. I will even go back and hit it one more time on Trackman out of curiosity. If i see something different maybe I’ll change my opinion. If I see the same result it will be 3 out of 3 thumbs down for me.



    I’ll get back to lurking around on here reading absurd comments and not contributing anymore since recording actual information and personal research with data to back it up is apparently not good enough. Don’t forget the answer to any question related to equipment is opinion based. I guess my opinion sucks and the data is worthless.



    Have a good season everyone.
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  • jefftomahawkjefftomahawk Members Posts: 1,000 ✭✭

    dmeeksDC wrote:

    Kaexo wrote:


    I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.



    Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.



    I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.



    They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.




    +1. Guys with high swingspeeds are crushing the Rogue. And what I would say is check the monitor because the one you are on has you swinging the club faster than Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, Rory Mcilroy, Tony Finau, Johnny Vegas, etc., all of whom average 120-124 with the occasional swing at 125-127. But they are generally in the low 120s.



    These big drops in ballspeed. Are you hitting the Rogue in the middle of the face at 128 and you're seeing a huge drop? PGA Tour pros cannot swing it that fast AND center it with any consistency.



    If the Rogue was 10 mph less than competitors, that news would travel like wildfire. It has to be anecdotal or the LM is jacked or the contact is moving around the face. If you were hitting off center, a 10 mph drop would be possible and likely. But in the middle with a 10 mph drop? Doesn't seem even possible given the quality of the club.




    Here we go again.. did anyone really look at that Alex Etches video? His ss on the first ball was 128 mph yet ball speed was under 180... that's a smash of 1.39.... and he even said he killed it. This kind of proves my point. If he really nutted one at 128 he should be at 190+ ball speeds but he is nowhere close.. about 10 mph off actually. Plus his "range monitor" is set downwind for some reason. You don't get 342 yard carry with 178-179 ball speeds and 2700 spin.



    Seriously don't care to hear about what you think I am capable of compared to DJ, Finau, Rory Bubba, etc (ALL OF WHICH YOU NAMED DO NOT USE Callaway anyway). And I hit on Trackman.. the same Trackman I have been fitted on multiple times. Actually 3 different Trackman monitors. The same system that all these pros use daily. I was fit once at the Taylormade Kingdom Reynolds Plantation by one of the people that fits the tour players. I don't need to argue to prove my point, info is all out there if you really doubt my numbers and this is what I saw. Also seems to be what this Alex guy gets out of it too unless you know of a video where he is getting 190 ball speed with his swing speed.



    Both days I hit the Rogue SZ on Trackman were 5 balls one day and 3 balls the other day. Both days my 3 wood was nearing the ball speeds of the Rogue SZ Driver. Take what you want from my findings. Unbelievable to record actual data and be called a liar. Basically all I'm saying here is if you swing over 120 and you don't have access to Trackman, the keep an eye on Rogue vs Ping vs Taylormade because I personally found that the Ping and Taylormade have more pop for me at my speed while at the same time the Rogue had way more pop than Ping and Taylormade for my good friend at his speeds. Should this happen? I don't know but it did. I will even go back and hit it one more time on Trackman out of curiosity. If i see something different maybe I'll change my opinion. If I see the same result it will be 3 out of 3 thumbs down for me.



    I'll get back to lurking around on here reading absurd comments and not contributing anymore since recording actual information and personal research with data to back it up is apparently not good enough. Don't forget the answer to any question related to equipment is opinion based. I guess my opinion sucks and the data is worthless.



    Have a good season everyone.




    TBW,

    Ignore the critics, your provided input to this website is much appreciated. You provide real data and input.

    And by the way, TBW is legit, I saw him in action a few years back at the GolfWrx/ Odyssey putter gathering

    hitting balls at Carls golfland, he can back his numbers.

    Thanks for your forum contributions, I always look forward to them.
  • zeke66zeke66 Members Posts: 188 ✭✭
    A fitter told me the rogue and the ping.. king of swing 2018. Unbiased. Not trying to sell me anything. Didn’t know what I used and wasn’t trying to sell me anything.



    I did break my rogue head however. It’s cracked where the carbon meets the titanium.. closer to the hosel. Anyone seen this yet?
  • FlyOverFlyOver SoCalMembers Posts: 394 ✭✭
    zeke66 wrote:


    A fitter told me the rogue and the ping.. king of swing 2018. Unbiased. Not trying to sell me anything. Didn’t know what I used and wasn’t trying to sell me anything.



    I did break my rogue head however. It’s cracked where the carbon meets the titanium.. closer to the hosel. Anyone seen this yet?




    I had an Epic SZ 3W I had to exchange, because I hit shot off the toe and it concaved at the welding point (face and body).
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  • KaexoKaexo Members Posts: 671 ✭✭
    edited Feb 25, 2018 #72
    Rogue SZ, Ping G400 Max/LST, and M3 are all great. Rogue and Max takes it for me. I think Ping hurt their standard and LST by making the max so good.



    It does everything just as good or better. Low spin, high launch, great ball speed, in a more forgiving head. I can't see why anyone would buy any other model if you're in the market for a G400.
  • jeffreyljeffreyl Members Posts: 280 ✭✭
    edited Feb 25, 2018 #73
    At my local fitter, tried the TM 3,4. Callaway Rogue. The Ping G400 Max was longer and easily had the best dispersion. Needless to say it’s in the bag for our trip to AZ, next week!
  • HISPLHISPL Members Posts: 3,068
    I’m interested to see how Rogue works for higher SS players.



    Thunder had been around for a while on the forums, there are other members of the board that will verify his prowess.

    I’m not going to doubt what happened when he hit the ball, but perhaps it was a bad head though???



    I’ve got two good mates that swing at 125-130mph so hopefully will be able to get some good data on TrackMan in the near future.



    I know for me personally it works great at 108-110mph. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
  • 2012BFT2012BFT Members Posts: 527 ✭✭


    dmeeksDC wrote:

    Kaexo wrote:


    I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.



    Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.



    I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.



    They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.




    +1. Guys with high swingspeeds are crushing the Rogue. And what I would say is check the monitor because the one you are on has you swinging the club faster than Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, Rory Mcilroy, Tony Finau, Johnny Vegas, etc., all of whom average 120-124 with the occasional swing at 125-127. But they are generally in the low 120s.



    These big drops in ballspeed. Are you hitting the Rogue in the middle of the face at 128 and you're seeing a huge drop? PGA Tour pros cannot swing it that fast AND center it with any consistency.



    If the Rogue was 10 mph less than competitors, that news would travel like wildfire. It has to be anecdotal or the LM is jacked or the contact is moving around the face. If you were hitting off center, a 10 mph drop would be possible and likely. But in the middle with a 10 mph drop? Doesn't seem even possible given the quality of the club.




    Here we go again.. did anyone really look at that Alex Etches video? His ss on the first ball was 128 mph yet ball speed was under 180... that's a smash of 1.39.... and he even said he killed it. This kind of proves my point. If he really nutted one at 128 he should be at 190+ ball speeds but he is nowhere close.. about 10 mph off actually. Plus his "range monitor" is set downwind for some reason. You don't get 342 yard carry with 178-179 ball speeds and 2700 spin.



    Seriously don't care to hear about what you think I am capable of compared to DJ, Finau, Rory Bubba, etc (ALL OF WHICH YOU NAMED DO NOT USE Callaway anyway). And I hit on Trackman.. the same Trackman I have been fitted on multiple times. Actually 3 different Trackman monitors. The same system that all these pros use daily. I was fit once at the Taylormade Kingdom Reynolds Plantation by one of the people that fits the tour players. I don't need to argue to prove my point, info is all out there if you really doubt my numbers and this is what I saw. Also seems to be what this Alex guy gets out of it too unless you know of a video where he is getting 190 ball speed with his swing speed.



    Both days I hit the Rogue SZ on Trackman were 5 balls one day and 3 balls the other day. Both days my 3 wood was nearing the ball speeds of the Rogue SZ Driver. Take what you want from my findings. Unbelievable to record actual data and be called a liar. Basically all I'm saying here is if you swing over 120 and you don't have access to Trackman, the keep an eye on Rogue vs Ping vs Taylormade because I personally found that the Ping and Taylormade have more pop for me at my speed while at the same time the Rogue had way more pop than Ping and Taylormade for my good friend at his speeds. Should this happen? I don't know but it did. I will even go back and hit it one more time on Trackman out of curiosity. If i see something different maybe I'll change my opinion. If I see the same result it will be 3 out of 3 thumbs down for me.



    I'll get back to lurking around on here reading absurd comments and not contributing anymore since recording actual information and personal research with data to back it up is apparently not good enough. Don't forget the answer to any question related to equipment is opinion based. I guess my opinion sucks and the data is worthless.



    Have a good season everyone.




    TBW,

    Ignore the critics, your provided input to this website is much appreciated. You provide real data and input.

    And by the way, TBW is legit, I saw him in action a few years back at the GolfWrx/ Odyssey putter gathering

    hitting balls at Carls golfland, he can back his numbers.

    Thanks for your forum contributions, I always look forward to them.




    I agree 100%... TBW is a good dude and I have personally seen him pound a ball. I always look forward to his comments too because I know he knows his stuff and has the resume to back it.
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  • Beastmode BrokerBeastmode Broker Canadian AF Members Posts: 6,317 ✭✭




    **If you are under 110 mph ss: Callaway w Jailbreak is better

    ** if you are over 115 mph ss: Taylormade w Hammerhead is better

    ** if you hate both of them... Ping G400 LsT is a heavyweight contender




    /thread
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  • zeke66zeke66 Members Posts: 188 ✭✭
    Rogue SZ w/ CK Pro Orange 70tx first swing from driver part of fitting. Didn’t want to hit anymore.
  • KaexoKaexo Members Posts: 671 ✭✭
    zeke66 wrote:


    Rogue SZ w/ CK Pro Orange 70tx first swing from driver part of fitting. Didn’t want to hit anymore.




    What was the ball and club head speed?
  • FlyOverFlyOver SoCalMembers Posts: 394 ✭✭
    edited Feb 27, 2018 #79

    dmeeksDC wrote:

    Kaexo wrote:


    I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.



    Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.



    I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.



    They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.




    +1. Guys with high swingspeeds are crushing the Rogue. And what I would say is check the monitor because the one you are on has you swinging the club faster than Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, Rory Mcilroy, Tony Finau, Johnny Vegas, etc., all of whom average 120-124 with the occasional swing at 125-127. But they are generally in the low 120s.



    These big drops in ballspeed. Are you hitting the Rogue in the middle of the face at 128 and you’re seeing a huge drop? PGA Tour pros cannot swing it that fast AND center it with any consistency.



    If the Rogue was 10 mph less than competitors, that news would travel like wildfire. It has to be anecdotal or the LM is jacked or the contact is moving around the face. If you were hitting off center, a 10 mph drop would be possible and likely. But in the middle with a 10 mph drop? Doesn’t seem even possible given the quality of the club.




    Here we go again.. did anyone really look at that Alex Etches video? His ss on the first ball was 128 mph yet ball speed was under 180... that’s a smash of 1.39.... and he even said he killed it. This kind of proves my point. If he really nutted one at 128 he should be at 190+ ball speeds but he is nowhere close.. about 10 mph off actually. Plus his “range monitor” is set downwind for some reason. You don’t get 342 yard carry with 178-179 ball speeds and 2700 spin.



    Seriously don’t care to hear about what you think I am capable of compared to DJ, Finau, Rory Bubba, etc (ALL OF WHICH YOU NAMED DO NOT USE Callaway anyway). And I hit on Trackman.. the same Trackman I have been fitted on multiple times. Actually 3 different Trackman monitors. The same system that all these pros use daily. I was fit once at the Taylormade Kingdom Reynolds Plantation by one of the people that fits the tour players. I don’t need to argue to prove my point, info is all out there if you really doubt my numbers and this is what I saw. Also seems to be what this Alex guy gets out of it too unless you know of a video where he is getting 190 ball speed with his swing speed.



    Both days I hit the Rogue SZ on Trackman were 5 balls one day and 3 balls the other day. Both days my 3 wood was nearing the ball speeds of the Rogue SZ Driver. Take what you want from my findings. Unbelievable to record actual data and be called a liar. Basically all I’m saying here is if you swing over 120 and you don’t have access to Trackman, the keep an eye on Rogue vs Ping vs Taylormade because I personally found that the Ping and Taylormade have more pop for me at my speed while at the same time the Rogue had way more pop than Ping and Taylormade for my good friend at his speeds. Should this happen? I don’t know but it did. I will even go back and hit it one more time on Trackman out of curiosity. If i see something different maybe I’ll change my opinion. If I see the same result it will be 3 out of 3 thumbs down for me.



    I’ll get back to lurking around on here reading absurd comments and not contributing anymore since recording actual information and personal research with data to back it up is apparently not good enough. Don’t forget the answer to any question related to equipment is opinion based. I guess my opinion sucks and the data is worthless.



    Have a good season everyone.




    Thunder, I actually agree with you.



    I visited my local Roger Dunn Golf Shop. I decided to test the M3 460 with a Tensei White stiff shaft (low launch/low spin) vs a Rogue SZ with a Hzardus Yellow shaft (low launch/low spin) on their GC2.



    My findings:



    M3

    SS ave: 106.4

    Ball Speed ave: 154.3



    Fastest SS: 108.6

    Fastest BS: 157.5



    Rogue SZ

    SS ave: 111.4 (yes, 5 mph faster)

    Ball Speed ave: 156.0 (yet, only 1.7 mph ball speed faster)



    Fastest SS: 112.0

    Fastest BS: 156.9



    Anybody please correct me, if I am analyzing this wrong. Does this tell me the M3 with hammerhead is a hotter face than the Rogue with Jailbreak? My SS with the Rogue is faster, but the ball speed is not as fast. Could the varible be that the Rogue has a lower torque rating at 2.9 vs the Tensei shaft white at over 4.0?
    Taylormade M6 9.0 loft-GD AD IZ 7S shaft
    Taylormade M6 3W-GD AD IZ 8S shaft
    Titleist 818 H2 Hybrid-Tensei Blue stiff 19*
    Honma TW 747v forged 4-10 irons-Modus 105 stiff shafts
    Titleist Vokey SM6 50* F Grind
    Mack Daddy 4 54* C Grind
    Mack Daddy 4 58* C Grind
    Scotty Cameron modified Detour Newport 2 putter
    Scotty Cameron Black Mist Notchback Putter
    Titleist yellow ProV1X 
  • John - MemphisJohn - Memphis Members Posts: 48 ✭✭
    Call me when you test them with comparable shafts. And, can you explain why your swing speed is so different with the two drivers?
  • craz-ecraz-e Members Posts: 4,101 ✭✭
    FlyOver wrote:


    dmeeksDC wrote:

    Kaexo wrote:


    I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.



    Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.



    I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.



    They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.




    +1. Guys with high swingspeeds are crushing the Rogue. And what I would say is check the monitor because the one you are on has you swinging the club faster than Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, Rory Mcilroy, Tony Finau, Johnny Vegas, etc., all of whom average 120-124 with the occasional swing at 125-127. But they are generally in the low 120s.



    These big drops in ballspeed. Are you hitting the Rogue in the middle of the face at 128 and you're seeing a huge drop? PGA Tour pros cannot swing it that fast AND center it with any consistency.



    If the Rogue was 10 mph less than competitors, that news would travel like wildfire. It has to be anecdotal or the LM is jacked or the contact is moving around the face. If you were hitting off center, a 10 mph drop would be possible and likely. But in the middle with a 10 mph drop? Doesn't seem even possible given the quality of the club.




    Here we go again.. did anyone really look at that Alex Etches video? His ss on the first ball was 128 mph yet ball speed was under 180... that's a smash of 1.39.... and he even said he killed it. This kind of proves my point. If he really nutted one at 128 he should be at 190+ ball speeds but he is nowhere close.. about 10 mph off actually. Plus his "range monitor" is set downwind for some reason. You don't get 342 yard carry with 178-179 ball speeds and 2700 spin.



    Seriously don't care to hear about what you think I am capable of compared to DJ, Finau, Rory Bubba, etc (ALL OF WHICH YOU NAMED DO NOT USE Callaway anyway). And I hit on Trackman.. the same Trackman I have been fitted on multiple times. Actually 3 different Trackman monitors. The same system that all these pros use daily. I was fit once at the Taylormade Kingdom Reynolds Plantation by one of the people that fits the tour players. I don't need to argue to prove my point, info is all out there if you really doubt my numbers and this is what I saw. Also seems to be what this Alex guy gets out of it too unless you know of a video where he is getting 190 ball speed with his swing speed.



    Both days I hit the Rogue SZ on Trackman were 5 balls one day and 3 balls the other day. Both days my 3 wood was nearing the ball speeds of the Rogue SZ Driver. Take what you want from my findings. Unbelievable to record actual data and be called a liar. Basically all I'm saying here is if you swing over 120 and you don't have access to Trackman, the keep an eye on Rogue vs Ping vs Taylormade because I personally found that the Ping and Taylormade have more pop for me at my speed while at the same time the Rogue had way more pop than Ping and Taylormade for my good friend at his speeds. Should this happen? I don't know but it did. I will even go back and hit it one more time on Trackman out of curiosity. If i see something different maybe I'll change my opinion. If I see the same result it will be 3 out of 3 thumbs down for me.



    I'll get back to lurking around on here reading absurd comments and not contributing anymore since recording actual information and personal research with data to back it up is apparently not good enough. Don't forget the answer to any question related to equipment is opinion based. I guess my opinion sucks and the data is worthless.



    Have a good season everyone.




    Thunder, I actually agree with you.



    I visited my local Roger Dunn Golf Shop. I decided to test the M3 460 with a Tensei White stiff shaft (low launch/low spin) vs a Rogue SZ with a Hzardus Yellow shaft (low launch/low spin) on their GC2.



    My findings:



    M3

    SS ave: 106.4

    Ball Speed ave: 154.3



    Fastest SS: 108.6

    Fastest BS: 157.5



    Rogue SZ

    SS ave: 111.4 (yes, 5 mph faster)

    Ball Speed ave: 156.0 (yet, only 1.7 mph ball speed faster)



    Fastest SS: 112.0

    Fastest BS: 156.9



    Anybody please correct me, if I am analyzing this wrong. Does this tell me the M3 with hammerhead is a hotter face than the Rogue with Jailbreak? My SS with the Rogue is faster, but the ball speed is not as fast. Could the varible be that the Rogue has a lower torque rating at 2.9 vs the Tensei shaft white at over 4.0?




    Without knowing where on the face you were striking we wouldn't be able to give you a 100% accurate answer to say if one was "hotter" than the other
    Driver = Ping G410 Plus even flow black 6.0
    5 Wood = Taylormade Burner

    Irons = Miura 1957 Baby Blades Project X LZ 6.0 (4-PW)
    Wilson Staff FG59 DG S300's (4-PW)
    Titleist 718 MB Project X LZ 6.0 (4-PW)
    Wedges = Titleist Vokey SM6 52*, 56* and 60*

    Putter = Wilson Staff 8882
    Ball = Titleist AVX
  • FlyOverFlyOver SoCalMembers Posts: 394 ✭✭
    edited Feb 27, 2018 #82


    Call me when you test them with comparable shafts. And, can you explain why your swing speed is so different with the two drivers?




    I was hoping maybe someone could tell me why my swing speed was much faster with the Rogue? I think it’s the Hzrdus shaft, because I also tried a Diamana Whiteboard with the Rogue SZ and my swing speed was registering between 106-108. The point is I agree with Thunder that maybe the M3 has a hotter face than the Rogue SZ. For the record, I registered 109-112 mph SS with the Rogue SZ two weeks ago too and I’m currently gaming the Rogue SZ Hzardus yellow.



    As for hitting with the same shafts, unfortunately both clubs don’t come standard in the Hzrdus yellow or Tensei white shaft.
    Taylormade M6 9.0 loft-GD AD IZ 7S shaft
    Taylormade M6 3W-GD AD IZ 8S shaft
    Titleist 818 H2 Hybrid-Tensei Blue stiff 19*
    Honma TW 747v forged 4-10 irons-Modus 105 stiff shafts
    Titleist Vokey SM6 50* F Grind
    Mack Daddy 4 54* C Grind
    Mack Daddy 4 58* C Grind
    Scotty Cameron modified Detour Newport 2 putter
    Scotty Cameron Black Mist Notchback Putter
    Titleist yellow ProV1X 
  • FlyOverFlyOver SoCalMembers Posts: 394 ✭✭

    FlyOver wrote:


    dmeeksDC wrote:

    Kaexo wrote:


    I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.



    Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.



    I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.



    They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.




    +1. Guys with high swingspeeds are crushing the Rogue. And what I would say is check the monitor because the one you are on has you swinging the club faster than Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, Rory Mcilroy, Tony Finau, Johnny Vegas, etc., all of whom average 120-124 with the occasional swing at 125-127. But they are generally in the low 120s.



    These big drops in ballspeed. Are you hitting the Rogue in the middle of the face at 128 and you're seeing a huge drop? PGA Tour pros cannot swing it that fast AND center it with any consistency.



    If the Rogue was 10 mph less than competitors, that news would travel like wildfire. It has to be anecdotal or the LM is jacked or the contact is moving around the face. If you were hitting off center, a 10 mph drop would be possible and likely. But in the middle with a 10 mph drop? Doesn't seem even possible given the quality of the club.




    Here we go again.. did anyone really look at that Alex Etches video? His ss on the first ball was 128 mph yet ball speed was under 180... that's a smash of 1.39.... and he even said he killed it. This kind of proves my point. If he really nutted one at 128 he should be at 190+ ball speeds but he is nowhere close.. about 10 mph off actually. Plus his "range monitor" is set downwind for some reason. You don't get 342 yard carry with 178-179 ball speeds and 2700 spin.



    Seriously don't care to hear about what you think I am capable of compared to DJ, Finau, Rory Bubba, etc (ALL OF WHICH YOU NAMED DO NOT USE Callaway anyway). And I hit on Trackman.. the same Trackman I have been fitted on multiple times. Actually 3 different Trackman monitors. The same system that all these pros use daily. I was fit once at the Taylormade Kingdom Reynolds Plantation by one of the people that fits the tour players. I don't need to argue to prove my point, info is all out there if you really doubt my numbers and this is what I saw. Also seems to be what this Alex guy gets out of it too unless you know of a video where he is getting 190 ball speed with his swing speed.



    Both days I hit the Rogue SZ on Trackman were 5 balls one day and 3 balls the other day. Both days my 3 wood was nearing the ball speeds of the Rogue SZ Driver. Take what you want from my findings. Unbelievable to record actual data and be called a liar. Basically all I'm saying here is if you swing over 120 and you don't have access to Trackman, the keep an eye on Rogue vs Ping vs Taylormade because I personally found that the Ping and Taylormade have more pop for me at my speed while at the same time the Rogue had way more pop than Ping and Taylormade for my good friend at his speeds. Should this happen? I don't know but it did. I will even go back and hit it one more time on Trackman out of curiosity. If i see something different maybe I'll change my opinion. If I see the same result it will be 3 out of 3 thumbs down for me.



    I'll get back to lurking around on here reading absurd comments and not contributing anymore since recording actual information and personal research with data to back it up is apparently not good enough. Don't forget the answer to any question related to equipment is opinion based. I guess my opinion sucks and the data is worthless.



    Have a good season everyone.




    Thunder, I actually agree with you.



    I visited my local Roger Dunn Golf Shop. I decided to test the M3 460 with a Tensei White stiff shaft (low launch/low spin) vs a Rogue SZ with a Hzardus Yellow shaft (low launch/low spin) on their GC2.



    My findings:



    M3

    SS ave: 106.4

    Ball Speed ave: 154.3



    Fastest SS: 108.6

    Fastest BS: 157.5



    Rogue SZ

    SS ave: 111.4 (yes, 5 mph faster)

    Ball Speed ave: 156.0 (yet, only 1.7 mph ball speed faster)



    Fastest SS: 112.0

    Fastest BS: 156.9



    Anybody please correct me, if I am analyzing this wrong. Does this tell me the M3 with hammerhead is a hotter face than the Rogue with Jailbreak? My SS with the Rogue is faster, but the ball speed is not as fast. Could the varible be that the Rogue has a lower torque rating at 2.9 vs the Tensei shaft white at over 4.0?




    Without knowing where on the face you were striking we wouldn't be able to give you a 100% accurate answer to say if one was "hotter" than the other




    Well there was no HM2, so I don’t know where on the face the ball was striking on either clubs.
    Taylormade M6 9.0 loft-GD AD IZ 7S shaft
    Taylormade M6 3W-GD AD IZ 8S shaft
    Titleist 818 H2 Hybrid-Tensei Blue stiff 19*
    Honma TW 747v forged 4-10 irons-Modus 105 stiff shafts
    Titleist Vokey SM6 50* F Grind
    Mack Daddy 4 54* C Grind
    Mack Daddy 4 58* C Grind
    Scotty Cameron modified Detour Newport 2 putter
    Scotty Cameron Black Mist Notchback Putter
    Titleist yellow ProV1X 
  • McGranaham23McGranaham23 Members Posts: 37
    So it’s safe to say that ping, Calloway and cobra have the three best drivers?
    Callaway Epic Sub Zero AD DI x
    Taylormade M2 3 wood Black Hzdrus 6.5
    Mizuno MP-5 3-Pw
    Titleist SM6 52,56,60
    Odysessy #7 O-works
  • exitlowandleftexitlowandleft Members Posts: 188 ✭✭
    Rogue sub zero
  • asumnerdawgasumnerdawg Members Posts: 361 ✭✭
    Had the rogue subzero with speeder 665 x flex and sold it after my first range session with f8+ paired with evenflow blue 65 in 6.5 flex. I play it with the heavier weight forward and it's phenomenal.
    Gamer/Backup
    Driver: Cobra F8+ with Evenflow Blue 65 6.5; Cobra LTD PRO w/ Speeder 661 iv
    3wd: TEE CB Pro 14.5 Speeder 757 stiff; Callaway XHot 3w
    5wd: Cobra F6 Baffler set at 17.5; Titleist 917 2H
    3H- Ping G with Evenflow Blue 85 6.0; N/A
    4 iron: G400 green dot CFS stiff, It's stamped 5 iron but power spec at 22* I use it as 4 iron; N/A
    5-PW: Ping i15 green dot AWT stiff; i200 w/ CFS stiff 3-PW
    52/12 F: Vokey sm7 2 up; Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth SS 52
    58/12 D: Vokey sm7 2 up; Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth SS 58
    Putter: Ping Anser Milled 5; Nike Method Matter B2-05
    Ball: Titleist Pro V1 X
  • asumnerdawgasumnerdawg Members Posts: 361 ✭✭
    Both good drivers but the f8+ was clear winner for me
    Gamer/Backup
    Driver: Cobra F8+ with Evenflow Blue 65 6.5; Cobra LTD PRO w/ Speeder 661 iv
    3wd: TEE CB Pro 14.5 Speeder 757 stiff; Callaway XHot 3w
    5wd: Cobra F6 Baffler set at 17.5; Titleist 917 2H
    3H- Ping G with Evenflow Blue 85 6.0; N/A
    4 iron: G400 green dot CFS stiff, It's stamped 5 iron but power spec at 22* I use it as 4 iron; N/A
    5-PW: Ping i15 green dot AWT stiff; i200 w/ CFS stiff 3-PW
    52/12 F: Vokey sm7 2 up; Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth SS 52
    58/12 D: Vokey sm7 2 up; Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth SS 58
    Putter: Ping Anser Milled 5; Nike Method Matter B2-05
    Ball: Titleist Pro V1 X
  • DoglegRightDoglegRight Members Posts: 1,127 ✭✭
    Quick question, is the Rogue SZ still lower spinning than the standard Rogue when the SZ heavier weight is in the back?
  • HonmanHonman Members Posts: 1,035 ✭✭
    Had a fitting this week. For me the M4 was the clear winner. I was consistently getting the most out of it and it seemed effortless compared to some of the other drivers I hit. I had consistently faster ballspeed and a far higher smash factor. I swing around 90 and was getting a 1.51 smash factor.



    I went in wanting rogue sub zero and I just couldn't get the launch down. My glitter said compared to previous generations that he was fitting players who need to flight it down with low spin into TM, and players who needed more launch but low spin into Callaway drivers.



    Cobra f8+ was my second best driver. I could happily play that, G400 max spun too much, PXG wasn't as forgiving, and the Mizuno was ok but a bit blue.





    Driver shaft was the Atmos black 6s.the fitter found a shaft first that I delivered consistently before then finding the head that worked best numbers wise.
    Driver: TaylorMade M5 9 Mitsubishi Tensei White Pro 60S
    Fairway Wood: Callaway Epic Flash Sub Zero Mitsubishi C6 70S
    Hybrid: Ping G41019 & 22 Alta CB 7S
    Irons: Ping i500 KBS Tour V 100R
    Wedge: Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth AWT 50, 56, 60
    Putter: TBC
    Ball: Callaway Chrome Soft X
  • john myrbchjohn myrbch Members Posts: 150
    So two weeks in, according to poll results, the PING 400 series has a big lead over the two Callaway Rogue drivers, and Taylormade and Cobra are 3rd and 4th. I love the seeming impartiality on this site. Especially refreshing since until recently the only site I belonged to does nothing but praise everything Callaway.
    PING G400 max 9* TM M2 15* Callaway Steelhead XR 19*, 22* Callaway Steelhead XR 5-GW Callaway MD3 54* Callaway MD3 58** Titleist Scotty Cameron Newport 2 34"
  • FilOfFutureFilOfFuture ClubWRX Posts: 30
    Spent some time getting fit the other day - looking to upgrade from my Titleist 905-S 8.5* with Graffoly BLUE stiff shaft - a club that I still pure after 12 years?



    Went through all of the drivers, Epic SZ, F8+, TMs and then the G400 LST.



    I was hitting my club 905-S about 285 on the monitor with a pretty high spin number (I think in the 5000s, but maybe 4000s) which the fitter was impressed with.



    Epic SZ took me to about 295-305 but I didn’t quite have the control with it... some big draw shots and a few blocked out right (which is normal for me hitting a natural draw)



    Ping G400 LST gave me about the same distance as the SZ, but I almost could not hit it far from center... I was amazed to get about 15-20 yards more distance and cut the side spin/ distance Left/right almost out of the equation.



    ***From what I remember - Back spin was down to about 2200 with LST with healthy launch of ~13*



    I ordered the club the same day - should have it in hand with HZRDUS 75 Yellow 6.5 (xStiff) in the next week or so
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