Rory worked with Brad Faxon on his putting this week.

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  • BarfolomewBarfolomew #worstWRXer Members Posts: 1,401 ✭✭
    Its baffling that Rors is bad putter with all the experience he has putting and being such a great golfer.....



    Its obvious that his issue is his mental approach to putting and has nothing to do with finding the right putter or technique or putting coach.... but wonder if he knows that
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  • gvogelgvogel Members Posts: 7,546 ✭✭

    MattyO1984 wrote:


    Poor Phil Kenyon, well and truly ditched! I imagine he will be consoling himself by starting yet another war of words with someone on Twitter.




    Some insight… Rory a while back went to Phil Kenyon for clarity on the technical side of his putting. In those few sessions Kenyon analyzed on specialised high-def cameras in his studio Rory’s stance, positioning, stroke and putter style and provided a full analytics breakdown of what he was doing and how it could be improved - from this they developed a technical practice routine for Rory and recommendations on the best putter/s for his style of putting. Once Rory had engrained the core technical philosophies from his time with Kenyon, Rory then turned to Brad Faxon for his unique insight on the more natural / cerebral / mental side of putting (which he is world renowned for).



    So Rory didn’t “ditch” Kenyon, he purposely turned to two specialists in two different areas. Rory wisely got the technical analysis first from Phil Kenyon (because this area is Kenyon’s core expertise and not Faxon’s), and then went to Brad Faxon for what he specialises in, and that’s the more mental / cerebral side of putting.



    Great putting, like a great golf swing requires a mix of the technical and artistry to blend together. This is what / why he went to two of the best experts in those two key areas… and that’s wise from Rory.




    That might be too much information for a player such as Rory to process.
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  • nichhonichho Members Posts: 1,965 ✭✭
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    Bump



    Looks like he is working with him again per Rory's IG.



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    Lol, why put on intstatoners?



    Free lesson if he did?




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  • FergusonFerguson Members Posts: 4,970 ✭✭
    Barfolomew wrote:


    Its baffling that Rors is bad putter with all the experience he has putting and being such a great golfer.....



    Its obvious that his issue is his mental approach to putting and has nothing to do with finding the right putter or technique or putting coach.... but wonder if he knows that






    It's not his putting, per se. And that is why I criticize the FAXON lessons. Faxon is a clown.



    Rory has all the skills needed, period. I think his problem is tied to the way he makes his way around the course.



    In my view - Rory can't settle in on the golf course and therefore his putting suffers. In other words, rather than relaxing and letting his rounds evolve, Rory tends to speed up and slow down during a round thus failing to develop that cadence you see with consistent players. His putting sometimes looks rushed, while at other times very deliberate.
  • BarfolomewBarfolomew #worstWRXer Members Posts: 1,401 ✭✭
    Ferguson wrote:

    Barfolomew wrote:


    Its baffling that Rors is bad putter with all the experience he has putting and being such a great golfer.....



    Its obvious that his issue is his mental approach to putting and has nothing to do with finding the right putter or technique or putting coach.... but wonder if he knows that






    It's not his putting, per se. And that is why I criticize the FAXON lessons. Faxon is a clown.



    Rory has all the skills needed, period. I think his problem is tied to the way he makes his way around the course.



    In my view - Rory can't settle in on the golf course and therefore his putting suffers. In other words, rather than relaxing and letting his rounds evolve, Rory tends to speed up and slow down during a round thus failing to develop that cadence you see with consistent players. His putting sometimes looks rushed, while at other times very deliberate.




    I hear ya that he never gets into a good rhythm which I agree but the reason I think it happens is for a whole other thread.....I think he's immature and reacts childlike to good and bad shots, too high and too low. Comes off like he's always lookin for validation, specially from daddy. But like I said another discussion lol...



    As far as putting I do think he's a bad putter. I agree he has all the "physical" skills but doesn't have the "soul" skills yet to be a lights out putter....
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    edited Jan 17, 2019 11:01am #97
    Barfolomew wrote:

    Ferguson wrote:

    Barfolomew wrote:


    Its baffling that Rors is bad putter with all the experience he has putting and being such a great golfer.....



    Its obvious that his issue is his mental approach to putting and has nothing to do with finding the right putter or technique or putting coach.... but wonder if he knows that






    It's not his putting, per se. And that is why I criticize the FAXON lessons. Faxon is a clown.



    Rory has all the skills needed, period. I think his problem is tied to the way he makes his way around the course.



    In my view - Rory can't settle in on the golf course and therefore his putting suffers. In other words, rather than relaxing and letting his rounds evolve, Rory tends to speed up and slow down during a round thus failing to develop that cadence you see with consistent players. His putting sometimes looks rushed, while at other times very deliberate.




    I hear ya that he never gets into a good rhythm which I agree but the reason I think it happens is for a whole other thread.....I think he's immature and reacts childlike to good and bad shots, too high and too low. Comes off like he's always lookin for validation, specially from daddy. But like I said another discussion lol...



    As far as putting I do think he's a bad putter. I agree he has all the "physical" skills but doesn't have the "soul" skills yet to be a lights out putter....




    Faxon.... That guy can stick it where the Sun-don't-shine.





    I actually like Faxon. Not sure where Ferggie is going here.
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  • LambLamb LondonMembers Posts: 330 ✭✭
    Ferguson wrote:

    Barfolomew wrote:


    Its baffling that Rors is bad putter with all the experience he has putting and being such a great golfer.....



    Its obvious that his issue is his mental approach to putting and has nothing to do with finding the right putter or technique or putting coach.... but wonder if he knows that






    It's not his putting, per se. And that is why I criticize the FAXON lessons. Faxon is a clown.



    Rory has all the skills needed, period. I think his problem is tied to the way he makes his way around the course.



    In my view - Rory can't settle in on the golf course and therefore his putting suffers. In other words, rather than relaxing and letting his rounds evolve, Rory tends to speed up and slow down during a round thus failing to develop that cadence you see with consistent players. His putting sometimes looks rushed, while at other times very deliberate.






    Rory fans being Rory fans blame everyone but Rory
  • Jackhammer993Jackhammer993 Members Posts: 882 ✭✭
    Rory is a streaky putter but his streaks have become shorter and shorter as time goes by. To me he never looks comfortable and he seems to go back and forth between mechanical and natural strokes. I don’t think there is a cure for this. Outside of Bay Hill last year he is not a finisher anymore. Could have been one of the all time greats but will have to settle for great.
  • iBanestoiBanesto Niclas Fasth Members Posts: 4,484 ✭✭
    Didn't McIlroy putt his best when he was with Dave Stockton?



    Has Faxon helped any other players improve their putting?
  • MaximilianMaximilian Members Posts: 1,403 ✭✭
    iBanesto wrote:


    Didn't McIlroy putt his best when he was with Dave Stockton?



    Has Faxon helped any other players improve their putting?




    I don’t know the stats, but I always thought Rory looked stiff and uncomfortable doing the Stockton putter head low to the ground after impact thing. Looked like he could block or pull any short putt he was facing. His putting at Bay Hill looked a lot more natural to my eyes!



    I have heard that Faxon enjoys giving putting lessons and has helped a lot of players through the years, including Garcia and Rose.

  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Edinburgh, ScotlandMembers Posts: 2,615 ✭✭
    Interesting to see how Rory putts this week. I was watching a preview programme last night and they made the case that he has a poor track record on poa annua.
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    Interesting to see how Rory putts this week. I was watching a preview programme last night and they made the case that he has a poor track record on poa annua.




    Guessing that was the analysis on Sky Sports. Pretty interesting what they were doing with the info from the 15th Club. Some of the courses which cropped up there you would not have automatically associated with Torrey but that's where their analysis comes into it.
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  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Edinburgh, ScotlandMembers Posts: 2,615 ✭✭
    MattyO1984 wrote:



    Interesting to see how Rory putts this week. I was watching a preview programme last night and they made the case that he has a poor track record on poa annua.




    Guessing that was the analysis on Sky Sports. Pretty interesting what they were doing with the info from the 15th Club. Some of the courses which cropped up there you would not have automatically associated with Torrey but that's where their analysis comes into it.




    Yeah 15th Club, I know Clarke used them in a big way for his Ryder Cup captaincy prep and they always get a mention on Sky Sports but I've not looked into them in much depth, I don't know a great deal about them. Are top players consulting them?



    At times I get the impression Sky Sports almost seem to ignore the PGA Tour data. I get they want to include all performances across both tours but seems a little weird to almost ignore PGA Tour data when covering PGA Tour events.
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  • M4TTM4TT EnglandMembers Posts: 1,457 ✭✭
    Rory will have 34 putts today unfortunately and will struggle all week to find momentum. Next week he'll go back to the Soto in hopes that he'll find some success but time is running out for Augusta and he'll go into Masters week knowing a lot of 3 putts will deny him of that green jacket.

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  • dropkickeddropkicked TorontoMembers Posts: 493 ✭✭
    Not even the Boss of the Moss, can help Ror's..
  • MMB1500MMB1500 Members Posts: 6,373 ✭✭
    dropkicked wrote:


    Not even the Boss of the Moss, can help Ror's..




    McIlroy needs two things to improve on the greens:



    1) A green reading coach.



    2) An extremely talented sports psychologist.
  • IVMIVM Members Posts: 454 ✭✭
    I have given up supporting Rory . I do not believe he wants it enough and will not put in the time to get it . It is fine hitting it 320 yards off of the tee but that does not get it in the hole .

    He needs to play more tournaments and the only way he is going to win is if he gets a caddie who can truly read greens and Rory hits it where he is told to when putting and maybe throughout the bag .

    There is nothing wrong with his buddy but Rory has only so many years left and he needs to get down to business or just admit that he is only playing for fun and hoping to get lucky .
  • M4TTM4TT EnglandMembers Posts: 1,457 ✭✭
    IVM wrote:


    I have given up supporting Rory . I do not believe he wants it enough and will not put in the time to get it . It is fine hitting it 320 yards off of the tee but that does not get it in the hole .

    He needs to play more tournaments and the only way he is going to win is if he gets a caddie who can truly read greens and Rory hits it where he is told to when putting and maybe throughout the bag .

    There is nothing wrong with his buddy but Rory has only so many years left and he needs to get down to business or just admit that he is only playing for fun and hoping to get lucky .




    Preach!



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  • airjammerairjammer Members Posts: 1,037 ✭✭

    MMB1500 wrote:

    dropkicked wrote:


    Not even the Boss of the Moss, can help Ror's..




    McIlroy needs two things to improve on the greens:



    1) A green reading coach.



    2) An extremely talented sports psychologist.
    MMB1500 wrote:

    dropkicked wrote:


    Not even the Boss of the Moss, can help Ror's..




    McIlroy needs two things to improve on the greens:



    1) A green reading coach.



    2) An extremely talented sports psychologist.




    Rory’s issue isn’t so much the putting (fyi Rory almost tied his 2nd best ever putting season last year), it’s his terribly poor approach game that is the real issue. Yesterday he was -1.102 (ranked 60th) in Approach play after being +1.923 (ranked #1) Off the Tee. Usually when players hit the ball so well off the tee they usually greatly benefit from being in better positions. Not with Rory. If Rory wasn’t such a good driver he’d be struggling to keep his PGA Tour card these days.




    Over a season it may show he had a “good putting” year but he never seems to make that many birdie putts or the momentum keeping putts. It’s been bad enough for long enough that when I see him with a 4-5ft putt I get nervous for him just like I do for Sergio and Adam Scott...the tour average may be 80+ percent for those length of putts but for those 3 in particular in my mind it’s closer to 50/50 on birdie putts.
  • Lagavulin62Lagavulin62 Members Posts: 2,229 ✭✭
    Brad Faxon. Best putter ever to win 8 tournaments and no majors.
  • MMB1500MMB1500 Members Posts: 6,373 ✭✭

    MMB1500 wrote:

    dropkicked wrote:


    Not even the Boss of the Moss, can help Ror's..




    McIlroy needs two things to improve on the greens:



    1) A green reading coach.



    2) An extremely talented sports psychologist.
    MMB1500 wrote:

    dropkicked wrote:


    Not even the Boss of the Moss, can help Ror's..




    McIlroy needs two things to improve on the greens:



    1) A green reading coach.



    2) An extremely talented sports psychologist.




    Rory’s issue isn’t so much the putting (fyi Rory almost tied his 2nd best ever putting season last year), it’s his terribly poor approach game that is the real issue. Yesterday he was -1.102 (ranked 60th) in Approach play after being +1.923 (ranked #1) Off the Tee. Usually when players hit the ball so well off the tee they usually greatly benefit from being in better positions. Not with Rory. If Rory wasn’t such a good driver he’d be struggling to keep his PGA Tour card these days.




    You're spot on though I would argue it's his approach play and putting. He was supposed to have put a lot of time in on his wedge game during the off season, but, if he did, it's not paying off yet. He should go and see James Ridyard.
  • gvogelgvogel Members Posts: 7,546 ✭✭
    airjammer wrote:


    MMB1500 wrote:




    McIlroy needs two things to improve on the greens:



    1) A green reading coach.



    2) An extremely talented sports psychologist.
    MMB1500 wrote:

    dropkicked wrote:


    Not even the Boss of the Moss, can help Ror's..




    McIlroy needs two things to improve on the greens:



    1) A green reading coach.



    2) An extremely talented sports psychologist.




    Rory's issue isn't so much the putting (fyi Rory almost tied his 2nd best ever putting season last year), it's his terribly poor approach game that is the real issue. Yesterday he was -1.102 (ranked 60th) in Approach play after being +1.923 (ranked #1) Off the Tee. Usually when players hit the ball so well off the tee they usually greatly benefit from being in better positions. Not with Rory. If Rory wasn't such a good driver he'd be struggling to keep his PGA Tour card these days.




    Over a season it may show he had a "good putting" year but he never seems to make that many birdie putts or the momentum keeping putts. It's been bad enough for long enough that when I see him with a 4-5ft putt I get nervous for him just like I do for Sergio and Adam Scott...the tour average may be 80+ percent for those length of putts but for those 3 in particular in my mind it's closer to 50/50 on birdie putts.




    I think that he has putted well this week, so far. The only thing keeping him from really contending this week is that he hasn't been able to get on a streak.



    The great round on the North course included a holed wedge shot and a short eagle putt on his first hole. But, you don't get to T6 after 3 rounds without making some putts.



    Maybe he should treat each putt as if it is the first hole.
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    I would agree with all of that so far this week. I think it can be summarized this week as he never got on a streak. To win non us opens at some point you need to get on a streak and go LOW one day. Rory is putting up good rounds but doesn’t have a great round yet. As deep as the talent is and how they set up the courses now on Sunday, he will need sub 65 to sniff the lead.
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    airjammer wrote:


    I would agree with all of that so far this week. I think it can be summarized this week as he never got on a streak. To win non us opens at some point you need to get on a streak and go LOW one day. Rory is putting up good rounds but doesn't have a great round yet. As deep as the talent is and how they set up the courses now on Sunday, he will need sub 65 to sniff the lead.




    Which won't happen, but he might be building good feelings for the next few months.
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