Golf Popularity

shoot4parshoot4par Life's A CourseClubWRX Posts: 129 ClubWRX
edited Nov 15, 2018 in General Golf Talk #1
I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts regarding the game and its ebbs and flows in popularity. I'm referring specifically to golf in the USA. This is an issue that I have observed and see regularly as a 26 year old who is a product of the millennial generation. We've seen the game increase in popularity with the rise of Tiger, the inception of organizations such as the first tee, drive chip & putt, pga golf leagues and the general growth of the game abroad (China, Korea, Etc.) We are now returning to the era of golf courses closing (this is a result of economic issues obviously) but also a lack of growing the game in the suburbs and rural areas. The First Tee does a great job of growing the game in the inner-city and in some suburbs but rural environments (population density issues?) and other suburbs are neglected. It's a great opportunity to instill values but my generation at times missed the mark even with the coming of Tiger. Its expensive and time consuming. Most people in my generation lack the desire to pursue a practice regiment and won't devote 4 hours to a round of golf. I don't understand it. It might be a result of the tweet, text, instant world or a stereotype of the game. The game isn't instantly gratifying but neither is soccer or any other sport. I just thought I'd write some thoughts down for my first post. Please excuse the lack of organization, its the product of an ADD mind (lol). These are all large issues and I just want to hear thoughts I guess.
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  • SixtySomePingSixtySomePing Members Posts: 5,049 ✭✭
    OK, so let me try this approach. I'm 67, about to retire from my job as a manager, and I have 3 millennials who work for me (I'll get to you in a second) and they are quality engineers. They do a wonderful job, I love having them work for me, feeling is mutual. It seems like it wouldn't work huh? But I know why they are there. It's to make money, to learn and enhance their career, and to glean what they can from my 42 years experience, and I encourage them every day. So we've separated ourselves individually from our generations, and gotten rid of that gap, and become people to each other.



    So back to you. Why do you play golf? Do you want to get better, and are you willing to devote the time to make it gratifying to you? Are you willing at some point in your life to separate yourself from being a millennial, and start living life as a person so you can enjoy life like golf, or anything instead of tagging yourself to some unforeseen group to which you hold allegiance and keeps you from enjoying and participating in life? Just asking, because whether it's golf or any other thing, you will not be able to totally commit yourself and enjoy it to the fullest until you realize that whether 26, or 36, or 46, or 86, you were born an individual, and you have one life to live. Go enjoy it wholeheartedly. Be positive, if it's golf, give it your best, practice, take that 4 hours, experience it, breathe the air, get your clubs dirty, lose a ball in the woods, leave your phone at home to help concentrate on the game. Your post title, I think it's popular because people like it, or love it. BTW, the 4 hours your 'generation' I assume not you, can't devote to golf is nothing compared to what is spent to daily use of mobile devices and media use.



    And for goodness sake, welcome to WRX, it's so good to have you here!
  • Golfer4LifeGolfer4Life Bob Parsons Bodyguard, Chump! ClubWRX Posts: 2,152


    OK, so let me try this approach. I'm 67, about to retire from my job as a manager, and I have 3 millennials who work for me (I'll get to you in a second) and they are quality engineers. They do a wonderful job, I love having them work for me, feeling is mutual. It seems like it wouldn't work huh? But I know why they are there. It's to make money, to learn and enhance their career, and to glean what they can from my 42 years experience, and I encourage them every day. So we've separated ourselves individually from our generations, and gotten rid of that gap, and become people to each other.



    So back to you. Why do you play golf? Do you want to get better, and are you willing to devote the time to make it gratifying to you? Are you willing at some point in your life to separate yourself from being a millennial, and start living life as a person so you can enjoy life like golf, or anything instead of tagging yourself to some unforeseen group to which you hold allegiance and keeps you from enjoying and participating in life? Just asking, because whether it's golf or any other thing, you will not be able to totally commit yourself and enjoy it to the fullest until you realize that whether 26, or 36, or 46, or 86, you were born an individual, and you have one life to live. Go enjoy it wholeheartedly. Be positive, if it's golf, give it your best, practice, take that 4 hours, experience it, breathe the air, get your clubs dirty, lose a ball in the woods, leave your phone at home to help concentrate on the game. Your post title, I think it's popular because people like it, or love it. BTW, the 4 hours your 'generation' I assume not you, can't devote to golf is nothing compared to what is spent to daily use of mobile devices and media use.



    And for goodness sake, welcome to WRX, it's so good to have you here!




    Mic drop! Close the thread, lol...Well said sir!
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,163 ✭✭
    I've always said golf is mostly played by people 25 and under, and then 45 and over LOL.



    Aged 25 to 45 you have guys starting families, and with dual income families now it's not like your wife just wants you gone all day Saturday while she sits at home. She needs her weekend too. So it's tough. I know tons of guys who got back into golf at 45+ after their kids grew up. I also know a lot of juniors



    There are not many guys aged 25-45 at our club, or other clubs i know.



    Golf is a 5-6 hour thing minimum when factoring travel time to course etc. Frankly that IS a barrier for many and something that won't change any time soon



    Golf doesn't need to be the most popular sport and it never will be.



    If someone is 26-27 and single though and can't find the time.....then they have problems LOL.....or they watch too much ****.
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  • Soloman1Soloman1 Members Posts: 2,446 ✭✭
    edited Nov 15, 2018 #5
    We are not “returning to the era of golf course closings...”

    Golf course closings have been about 150 per year for more than 10 years and show no sign of reducing.



    If yet another thread about this is going to start, let’s base the discussion on some data:



    Percent of Golfers in US by Age

    < 30 - 5%

    30-39 - 12%

    40-49 - 22%

    50-59 - 24%

    60-69 - 18%

    > 70 - 19%



    50 and older are:

    61% of golfers

    spend 53% of all the money in golf

    and play 50% of all of the rounds



    Let’s add that the definition of a golfer has been changed in an attempt to mask just how much decline there has been in golf. A “golfer” used to be defined as someone who played eight rounds in a year. Now it’s anyone who picks up a club, including people going to TopGolf.



    The same number of people who pick up a club once per year now is the same as the number of people who played eight rounds in a year 30 years ago.



    Whatever reasons people come up with for the decline are probably valid, we just don’t know the ratios. There are no exit interviews.



    But, youth participation in all sports has declined over the last 8 years, so it isn’t just golf. Keep that in mind.
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  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Members Posts: 11,599 ✭✭
    Golf takes time

    It's hard

    It's not electronic

    No instant gratification

    It's you vs the course and the elements .. not appealing for many



    Lastly, real imrovement requires practice. I may be wrong but most social fun sports for adults don't have participants off practicing
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  • shoot4parshoot4par Life's A Course ClubWRX Posts: 129 ClubWRX
    edited Nov 15, 2018 #7
    Close thread thank you gentleman and why does anyone play golf because when ya hit one perfect shot you are your best self.

    I just don't get it I know 25 year olds that spend three hours a day on an xbox and I don't find technology appealing when I can be doing something beneficial for myself. That being said I learned something today about Golfwrx- don't ask big dumb questions that can be discerned through statistical evaluation and cultural observation. Don't worry boys and gals fast learner here.
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  • ohioglfrohioglfr Municipal Junkie Members Posts: 712 ✭✭
    The sad thing about this younger generation (not every one of them) is that their distractions are indoor oriented. Computers, social media, video games, CATV, etc.



    I grew up in the '50-'60's. We kids were constantly outdoors, riding bikes, playing ball, kick-the-can, sledding in winter. Our grade school had a summer program where we could play box hockey or check out basket balls or baseball field equipment. We played our hearts out.



    The only cartoons were maybe an hour or two after school and on Saturday mornings.



    Today, I live near a grade school. After school, no one is playing on the courts or ball field. In the summer, when you'd think kids would be playing, the grounds are empty. Not even a bicyclist or skate boarder passing through. Which is why I sometimes take my clubs and a shag bag over there.



    But, I would much rather see kids there, running, jumping, playing ball . . .

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  • FourTopsFourTops Banned Posts: 1,676 ✭✭



    OK, so let me try this approach. I'm 67, about to retire from my job as a manager, and I have 3 millennials who work for me (I'll get to you in a second) and they are quality engineers. They do a wonderful job, I love having them work for me, feeling is mutual. It seems like it wouldn't work huh? But I know why they are there. It's to make money, to learn and enhance their career, and to glean what they can from my 42 years experience, and I encourage them every day. So we've separated ourselves individually from our generations, and gotten rid of that gap, and become people to each other.



    So back to you. Why do you play golf? Do you want to get better, and are you willing to devote the time to make it gratifying to you? Are you willing at some point in your life to separate yourself from being a millennial, and start living life as a person so you can enjoy life like golf, or anything instead of tagging yourself to some unforeseen group to which you hold allegiance and keeps you from enjoying and participating in life? Just asking, because whether it's golf or any other thing, you will not be able to totally commit yourself and enjoy it to the fullest until you realize that whether 26, or 36, or 46, or 86, you were born an individual, and you have one life to live. Go enjoy it wholeheartedly. Be positive, if it's golf, give it your best, practice, take that 4 hours, experience it, breathe the air, get your clubs dirty, lose a ball in the woods, leave your phone at home to help concentrate on the game. Your post title, I think it's popular because people like it, or love it. BTW, the 4 hours your 'generation' I assume not you, can't devote to golf is nothing compared to what is spent to daily use of mobile devices and media use.



    And for goodness sake, welcome to WRX, it's so good to have you here!




    Mic drop! Close the thread, lol...Well said sir!




    Yeah...that pretty much shut-down this thread! Well done!
  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Members Posts: 11,599 ✭✭
    why would the Op say close the thread, this will be a good discussion. I know we've had some of it before but such is life .. and wrx



    ohioglfr .. your response strikes a perfect chord with my youth. We were at parks and on our bikes constantly. All spare time was training for cross country running, games of pick up football, tag, hide and seek, road hockey, soccer, basketball and baseball. As we got older it was high school soccer and golf .... and tennis and working out with a little squash and racquetball thrown in



    TV was cartoons Saturday morning, the odd movie and hockey games on the tube. Electronics were a tiny part of my life (I am almost 51). I can still remember my Dad finding an Atari for my brother and I (a miracle back in the day) out of the USA when I was in grade 7. Space invaders was a riot but it didn't run our lives ... which were HEAVILY sports focused
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  • kmay__kmay__ Members Posts: 209 ✭✭
    Personally I'm back into the game after many years away from it at age 30, and my best pal wanted to try the game last season and that's what re-energized me on the game, teaching him the ways of the game and the etiquette ect. That being said he's the only person in my peer group ( friends and coworkers) who plays the game. I think personally its the difficultly and the constant ego checks that keep people away from the game. Which are 2 of the things I love most about it.... but I would say our generation isn't interested in things that aren't instantly gratifying, and that I believe comes from the whole social media mentality of constant envy ect.



    But on the course I would say I do see people from all age groups spread out pretty equally, and courses around where I live are quite busy, so I'd say I live in an area where the games popularity is pretty strong.
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  • augustgolfaugustgolf Golf with dignity Coastal NCMembers Posts: 3,890 ✭✭
    shoot4par wrote:


    Close thread thank you gentleman and why does anyone play golf because when ya hit one perfect shot you are your best self.

    I just don't get it I know 25 year olds that spend three hours a day on an xbox and I don't find technology appealing when I can be doing something beneficial for myself. That being said I learned something today about Golfwrx- don't ask big dumb questions that can be discerned through statistical evaluation and cultural observation. Don't worry boys and gals fast learner here.




    Here I am/was - just about to welcome you to WRX, and thank you for posing a question that people here have debated for quite a while.



    I still welcome you, if you are still around, but your second post seems to me just a bit aggravated, and IMHO, a good part of why golf struggles amount younger people.



    You didn't receive instant gratification with any of the honest answers here. The respondents all provided you with good points, gleaned from many years of experience, yet you seem to dismiss them all.



    Whatever you decide - here, on WRX, or in life - good luck.



    There is a wealth of knowledge here, and if you were to take a step back, and accept some of it that might come your way, you would certainly benefit.



    Just my 2 cents - and, if you stick around....welcome!



    If not....goodbye!
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  • larrybudlarrybud Members Posts: 11,224 ✭✭
    ohioglfr wrote:


    Today, I live near a grade school. After school, no one is playing on the courts or ball field. In the summer, when you'd think kids would be playing, the grounds are empty. Not even a bicyclist or skate boarder passing through. Which is why I sometimes take my clubs and a shag bag over there.




    They are playing, but they are all playing in organized travel leagues which cost a fortune and take up 90% of the parent's free time driving them everywhere.
  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm Members Posts: 1,400 ✭✭
    It's so multi-faceted it's ridiculous. Theres people problems, goods problems, social problems, etc with golf that arent easily solved. You can write a case study on it...
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  • shoot4parshoot4par Life's A Course ClubWRX Posts: 129 ClubWRX
    augustgolf wrote:

    shoot4par wrote:


    Close thread thank you gentleman and why does anyone play golf because when ya hit one perfect shot you are your best self.

    I just don't get it I know 25 year olds that spend three hours a day on an xbox and I don't find technology appealing when I can be doing something beneficial for myself. That being said I learned something today about Golfwrx- don't ask big dumb questions that can be discerned through statistical evaluation and cultural observation. Don't worry boys and gals fast learner here.




    Here I am/was - just about to welcome you to WRX, and thank you for posing a question that people here have debated for quite a while.



    I still welcome you, if you are still around, but your second post seems to me just a bit aggravated, and IMHO, a good part of why golf struggles amount younger people.



    You didn't receive instant gratification with any of the honest answers here. The respondents all provided you with good points, gleaned from many years of experience, yet you seem to dismiss them all.



    Whatever you decide - here, on WRX, or in life - good luck.



    There is a wealth of knowledge here, and if you were to take a step back, and accept some of it that might come your way, you would certainly benefit.



    Just my 2 cents - and, if you stick around....welcome!



    If not....goodbye!




    It was more an attempt at self deprecating humor than any offense taken. I apologize typed words can lack a certain tone. Something I've gotta work on. No offense thrown or taken intentionally.
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    What was the question?
  • FourTopsFourTops Banned Posts: 1,676 ✭✭
    Soloman1 wrote:


    We are not "returning to the era of golf course closings..."

    Golf course closings have been about 150 per year for more than 10 years and show no sign of reducing.



    If yet another thread about this is going to start, let's base the discussion on some data:



    Percent of Golfers in US by Age

    < 30 - 5%

    30-39 - 12%

    40-49 - 22%

    50-59 - 24%

    60-69 - 18%

    > 70 - 19%



    50 and older are:

    61% of golfers

    spend 53% of all the money in golf

    and play 50% of all of the rounds



    Let's add that the definition of a golfer has been changed in an attempt to mask just how much decline there has been in golf. A "golfer" used to be defined as someone who played eight rounds in a year. Now it's anyone who picks up a club, including people going to TopGolf.



    The same number of people who pick up a club once per year now is the same as the number of people who played eight rounds in a year 30 years ago.



    Whatever reasons people come up with for the decline are probably valid, we just don't know the ratios. There are no exit interviews.



    But, youth participation in all sports has declined over the last 8 years, so it isn't just golf. Keep that in mind.




    I appoint you to take on the 9,200,275 threads posted by those who suck at golf.
  • 1puttTUT1puttTUT Lefty with occasional game Members Posts: 3,354 ✭✭
    MtlJeff wrote:


    I've always said golf is mostly played by people 25 and under, and then 45 and over LOL.



    Aged 25 to 45 you have guys starting families, and with dual income families now it's not like your wife just wants you gone all day Saturday while she sits at home. She needs her weekend too. So it's tough. I know tons of guys who got back into golf at 45+ after their kids grew up. I also know a lot of juniors



    There are not many guys aged 25-45 at our club, or other clubs i know.



    Golf is a 5-6 hour thing minimum when factoring travel time to course etc. Frankly that IS a barrier for many and something that won't change any time soon



    Golf doesn't need to be the most popular sport and it never will be.



    If someone is 26-27 and single though and can't find the time.....then they have problems LOL.....or they watch too much ****.




    Pretty much my entire golf life has existed during that time frame lol. Played for the first time around the age of 21, but didn't really get into it until 24 or so and have been going hard until the present, just turning 39. I do daydream about how much I will be able to play once my son is a teenager!
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    1puttTUT wrote:

    MtlJeff wrote:


    I've always said golf is mostly played by people 25 and under, and then 45 and over LOL.



    Aged 25 to 45 you have guys starting families, and with dual income families now it's not like your wife just wants you gone all day Saturday while she sits at home. She needs her weekend too. So it's tough. I know tons of guys who got back into golf at 45+ after their kids grew up. I also know a lot of juniors



    There are not many guys aged 25-45 at our club, or other clubs i know.



    Golf is a 5-6 hour thing minimum when factoring travel time to course etc. Frankly that IS a barrier for many and something that won't change any time soon



    Golf doesn't need to be the most popular sport and it never will be.



    If someone is 26-27 and single though and can't find the time.....then they have problems LOL.....or they watch too much ****.




    Pretty much my entire golf life has existed during that time frame lol. Played for the first time around the age of 21, but didn't really get into it until 24 or so and have been going hard until the present, just turning 39. I do daydream about how much I will be able to play once my son is a teenager!




    Ironically mine too....i started at 23 and am 37 now. But i think we are rarities
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  • FourTopsFourTops Banned Posts: 1,676 ✭✭
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    People start and quit things for all kinds of reasons. I know a guy who bought four guitars, value of about $14,000, he played like a madman for 6 months...then quit. But here's the catch....he refused to take one lesson. SMH.
  • mantanmantan Members Posts: 2,493 ✭✭
    edited Nov 19, 2018 #21
    larrybud wrote:

    ohioglfr wrote:


    Today, I live near a grade school. After school, no one is playing on the courts or ball field. In the summer, when you'd think kids would be playing, the grounds are empty. Not even a bicyclist or skate boarder passing through. Which is why I sometimes take my clubs and a shag bag over there.




    They are playing, but they are all playing in organized travel leagues which cost a fortune and take up 90% of the parent's free time driving them everywhere.




    Bingo! Nail on the head there. Back in the day activities were spontaneous and social. Now a lot of kids are in organized sports leagues or activities. I spent about a decade shuttling my son to various practices, games, tournaments. He played/practiced 4-7 days a week. But some old guy on the street would probably lament that he was some lazy kid who never got out and rode his bicycles and played around the neighborhood.



    (Now I could argue is the overall value of experience, especially given the cost, worth it - but that's another subject.)



    As someone wrote earlier, it's very difficult for people who are in the child raising stages of life to find the time and money to spend on playing a lot of golf. When you're younger you may have the time, but post grad/pre-wedding people are going to spend their limited discretionary budget on things they can do with a lot of their friends. (90% of my social life was around someone I was dating, trying to date or going out to meet someone I could possibly date. When I played golf with was the cheap course in town with our old outdated clubs.)



    A lot of golfers are older because that's when they have time to do it. When my daughter went off to college and my son decided to quit playing his sport, I suddenly found myself with a boatload of time. I joined the men's league, practice 5 days a week and golf my butt off in a way I didn't have the time to do when I was younger.



    BTW - Tiger just delayed the inevitable decline of golf. He provide a once in a century bump to a sport that is never going to be mainstream. And that's OK. The participation in golf will never be as high as it was during that bubble.
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  • Danny2Danny2 Long Island, NYPosts: 516 ✭✭
    Hello all. I must say as a 43 year old man I try not to get wrapped up in what people are saying about this "so called" decline in popularity of golf. As long as I'm enjoying getting out there and playing this great game the I'M so passionate about, nothing else matters. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to play for the past couple of years due to a couple of knee surgeries, lower back degeneration, and a couple of hospital stays. And through all that time I couldn't stop thinking about getting out there on the links again. After spending much time in physical therapy and in the gym, I am ready to get back to it!...

    As we all know Golf is much more than just a game. For me it's my escape from the real world. I've devoted much of my adult life getting better at it. And as a result, I've become good at it which makes it more enjoyable for me. So if it's my escape why would I pay any attention to what the media and everyone else is saying about this game?!?!?! This game has been around for quite a while. I don't believe it's going anywhere anytime soon!!!



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  • sshoe9sshoe9 Posts: 257 ✭✭
    In terms of increasing the game's popularity, I think what Marko (sp?) and Mike are doing with their Golfholics movement is interesting. They do a very nice job of presenting the game in a light that many seem to find appealing. The vibe that they're able to create through their photography/editing, music, style, etc., appears to be a winning formula in terms of connecting with people and making them want to experience the game. The comment sections below their videos are littered with comments to the effect of, "I haven't played in forever, but after watching your video I now want to get back on the course."
  • Matt JMatt J Members Posts: 8,653 ✭✭
    OP, read about the changing demographics of rural to urban population movement.



    50/50 was a rough approximation for most civilizations since time immemorial.



    Without support of a city or county parks and rec department, a golf course is not sustainable in many rural communities with declining populations.
  • shoot4parshoot4par Life's A Course ClubWRX Posts: 129 ClubWRX
    edited Nov 19, 2018 #25
    leftyDH04 wrote:


    OP, read about the changing demographics of rural to urban population movement.



    50/50 was a rough approximation for most civilizations since time immemorial.



    Without support of a city or county parks and rec department, a golf course is not sustainable in many rural communities with declining populations.




    I haven't read about it but I'm pretty sure it had something to do with industrialization. You see a migration of populations to areas where life is sustainable (work opportunities, community, things that lead to a higher probability of survival). What do you mean by 50/50? I've never stated anything regarding the idea that 50% of the population is based in each geographic area. I don't get the reference or may be drawing an incorrect conclusion. As for the last part, I can give you many examples where a parks and rec department gives no funding and golf courses still survive and sometimes even thrive. These are public in the truest sense (Anyone can play). People are the variable not policies. Policies help to sustain these facilities with less strain. It's about instilling a footprint of the game on people that seems to be shallow and disinterested in it. How do you do it? I use the term shallow to describe interactions with technology rather than nature. People look for instance gratification rather than reward through work and struggle. I'm not trying to generalize people, only ask what can be done to instill the values of golf and raise its popularity. Even golf seems to fall into this trap (TEE-LESS DRIVER) (LOL). This club will add distance or that club- ok its possible. I would say a way of adding sustained distance is a gym, yoga, a range, flexibility exercises. (Instant gratification idea v. sustained work). Which one will win out? I think 95% of people on this forum would say the second.
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  • llewol007llewol007 4KidsGolfer ClubWRX Posts: 3,355 ClubWRX
    You answered your own question when you typed out your Post. You hit the nail on the head.
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  • FourTopsFourTops Banned Posts: 1,676 ✭✭
    So someone takes the time to post a long overview of why golf is on the decline on WRX for a bunch of golf fanatics by default. Not sure what the goal is other than to complain about golf.
  • llewol007llewol007 4KidsGolfer ClubWRX Posts: 3,355 ClubWRX
    FourTops wrote:


    So someone takes the time to post a long overview of why golf is on the decline on WRX for a bunch of golf fanatics by default. Not sure what the goal is other than to complain about golf.
    Not complaining, just agreeing that your statement was enough to convince me. Instead of copying what you said, I agree with it.
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  • FourTopsFourTops Banned Posts: 1,676 ✭✭
    llewol007 wrote:

    FourTops wrote:


    So someone takes the time to post a long overview of why golf is on the decline on WRX for a bunch of golf fanatics by default. Not sure what the goal is other than to complain about golf.
    Not complaining, just agreeing that your statement was enough to convince me. Instead of copying what you said, I agree with it.




    You have to take into account the audience and where they live. I'm in SoCal right now and every course is mobbed. Public course prices are well over $100 to have a chance at a 5 hour round. Now in other parts of the country it may be a different story....but from my friend's perspective who don't play at a private club, they wish people would quit.
  • KjboisenKjboisen Posts: 97 ✭✭


    OK, so let me try this approach. I'm 67, about to retire from my job as a manager, and I have 3 millennials who work for me (I'll get to you in a second) and they are quality engineers. They do a wonderful job, I love having them work for me, feeling is mutual. It seems like it wouldn't work huh? But I know why they are there. It's to make money, to learn and enhance their career, and to glean what they can from my 42 years experience, and I encourage them every day. So we've separated ourselves individually from our generations, and gotten rid of that gap, and become people to each other.



    So back to you. Why do you play golf? Do you want to get better, and are you willing to devote the time to make it gratifying to you? Are you willing at some point in your life to separate yourself from being a millennial, and start living life as a person so you can enjoy life like golf, or anything instead of tagging yourself to some unforeseen group to which you hold allegiance and keeps you from enjoying and participating in life? Just asking, because whether it's golf or any other thing, you will not be able to totally commit yourself and enjoy it to the fullest until you realize that whether 26, or 36, or 46, or 86, you were born an individual, and you have one life to live. Go enjoy it wholeheartedly. Be positive, if it's golf, give it your best, practice, take that 4 hours, experience it, breathe the air, get your clubs dirty, lose a ball in the woods, leave your phone at home to help concentrate on the game. Your post title, I think it's popular because people like it, or love it. BTW, the 4 hours your 'generation' I assume not you, can't devote to golf is nothing compared to what is spent to daily use of mobile devices and media use.



    And for goodness sake, welcome to WRX, it's so good to have you here!




    As a 24 yr old WRXer, I appreciate your perspective. Great response. Something I needed to read!
  • FourTopsFourTops Banned Posts: 1,676 ✭✭
    I asked my buddy today at work about this question....he's a decent golfer at a 7.8. He said "well you could have fooled me! I see more PXG sets now than I would have ever expected...are they spending $3k to memorialize quitting golf". Mic drop.
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