Battle of the darlings: G400 Max vs. Cobra F9

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  • WoodersonWooderson Members Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I bought a max last year and a f9 this year. From the first hit (bought without hitting) I knew I loved the max. For the last 12 months I have hit 48% of my fairways over 40 rounds. According to ghin the average for my handicap is 29%. That's a significant difference.



    Unfortunately, I was tempted to try to gain some distance so I got sucked into buying this year's darling without ever hitting it. The f9 is a great looking, feeling, and sounding head. In the two rounds that I used it and the max it was no longer and I didn't hit as many fairways with the f9 as the max. The max is firmly back in the bag. I will tinker with the f9 some more though. The sound is nice enough to keep trying.



    The f9 is a peculiar head. Low strikes feel and perform really well. High strikes feel extremely dead and perform ok. If I catch the max high toe it sounds and goes like a cannon. YMMV.
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  • stoneydukesstoneydukes ClubWRX Posts: 327 ClubWRX
    I have played just about everything over the past 2 years. M3, Epic, Rogue, and currently game a 9 deg G400 (standard 455cc version). Swing speed between 95-100mph with a pretty smooth transition.



    I really like the look of the matte black head and the sound of the G400. I tried the Max indoors on a monitor and it was a little more spinny and not as appealing to my eye as the G400. Trying to find the perfect match, I've tried the Ping Tour 65S, Fujikura Pro 2.0 5S, Ping Tour 80R, and the Kuro Kage XT60S in the G.



    Have a F9 with HZRDUS Smoke arriving early next week and I'm really excited to see if it will knock the G400 out of the bag. I bought a 10.5 F9. My miss is low in the face but I'm still fighting a Colorado winter swing. Looking forward to it warming up a bit and seeing if the F9 hype works for me.
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  • caniac6caniac6 Members Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a 400 Max, and I really like it. Yesterday I played with my old G20, and was hitting it well past the 400 Max.
  • woods991woods991 believelandClubWRX Posts: 2,408 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    caniac6 wrote:


    I have a 400 Max, and I really like it. Yesterday I played with my old G20, and was hitting it well past the 400 Max.


    Exactly the max just isn’t long otherwise it would still be in the bag. To each their own but the f9 is simply longer with better feel and sound. The whole accuracy thing I don’t get a bad swing is a bad swing either way your in trouble. I was and am I big fan of the max like I said in a earlier post the f9 is last years max with better attributes.
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  • kyleluteskylelutes Members Posts: 82 ✭✭✭
    I've always been a cobra guy and went to ping drivers when the g30 came out. I've stayed with them and now have a g400 max. I love it, but keep reading about the f9. I kinda hate to give it a try.
  • t4t3rt4t3r Members Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    woods991 wrote:

    caniac6 wrote:


    I have a 400 Max, and I really like it. Yesterday I played with my old G20, and was hitting it well past the 400 Max.


    Exactly the max just isn’t long otherwise it would still be in the bag. To each their own but the f9 is simply longer with better feel and sound. The whole accuracy thing I don’t get a bad swing is a bad swing either way your in trouble. I was and am I big fan of the max like I said in a earlier post the f9 is last years max with better attributes.




    Max was just as long as my F9, shorter shaft in the Max and was playing at a less ideal SW than the F9. Will definitely agree on the sound though.



    At the end of the day it's all about the person swinging it and what works for one person may not necessarily work for another. Part of the fun of golf (for me) is trying out all the new gear and maximizing what works!
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  • 10of1410of14 Members Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    You certainly can't argue with Ping MAX's forgiveness, but unlike many commenting here, I found the F9 easy to hit too and for me, it was 10+ yards longer on average. I have always played and loved Ping's hybrids, but for some reason, find their drivers to be average length for me and not a huge fan of the feel. What I will say is that I have many friends and a couple of brother's that swear by their Ping drivers solely for the forgiveness. Good luck!
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  • woods991woods991 believelandClubWRX Posts: 2,408 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    10of14 wrote:


    You certainly can't argue with Ping MAX's forgiveness, but unlike many commenting here, I found the F9 easy to hit too and for me, it was 10+ yards longer on average. I have always played and loved Ping's hybrids, but for some reason, find their drivers to be average length for me and not a huge fan of the feel. What I will say is that I have many friends and a couple of brother's that swear by their Ping drivers solely for the forgiveness. Good luck!


    Oh I agree the f9 is as easy to hit as any other drivers made today. It is longer I have tested it over and over and agreed the max is a great driver but for whatever reason the switch to the f9 was a good one for me.
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  • 596596 Lakeland, FLMembers Posts: 3,684 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭


    I would suggest looking into the F8 Plus before spending full retail on a new F9. The performance difference is much smaller than the price difference.



    However with an over the top swing and the fact that you like the Ping K15, the 400 SFT may be a better fit for you than the 400 max.



    I played a G SFT before the 400 max and really liked the built in weighting that helped close the face consistently. In fact I'm thinking of putting the G SFT back in the bag.




    I played the K15s for years when they came out in 2010. I'm still playing one in my walking bag. I tried the Ping G SFT and thought it was just OK compared to the K15. I then bought the Ping G Max. Its longer then the G and the K15. But I wanted a Max with the SFT......So I added lead tape to the rear and inside heal of the MAX. Now it swings just like a K15 but is a lot longer and more forgiving. The right side of the course is no longer in play.
  • erock9174erock9174 North Canton, OHMembers Posts: 3,978 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    596 wrote:



    I would suggest looking into the F8 Plus before spending full retail on a new F9. The performance difference is much smaller than the price difference.



    However with an over the top swing and the fact that you like the Ping K15, the 400 SFT may be a better fit for you than the 400 max.



    I played a G SFT before the 400 max and really liked the built in weighting that helped close the face consistently. In fact I'm thinking of putting the G SFT back in the bag.




    I played the K15s for years when they came out in 2010. I'm still playing one in my walking bag. I tried the Ping G SFT and thought it was just OK compared to the K15. I then bought the Ping G Max. Its longer then the G and the K15. But I wanted a Max with the SFT......So I added lead tape to the rear and inside heal of the MAX. Now it swings just like a K15 but is a lot longer and more forgiving. The right side of the course is no longer in play.




    How many grams of tape did you add ?

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  • 596596 Lakeland, FLMembers Posts: 3,684 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    erock9174 wrote:

    596 wrote:



    I would suggest looking into the F8 Plus before spending full retail on a new F9. The performance difference is much smaller than the price difference.



    However with an over the top swing and the fact that you like the Ping K15, the 400 SFT may be a better fit for you than the 400 max.



    I played a G SFT before the 400 max and really liked the built in weighting that helped close the face consistently. In fact I'm thinking of putting the G SFT back in the bag.




    I played the K15s for years when they came out in 2010. I'm still playing one in my walking bag. I tried the Ping G SFT and thought it was just OK compared to the K15. I then bought the Ping G Max. Its longer then the G and the K15. But I wanted a Max with the SFT......So I added lead tape to the rear and inside heal of the MAX. Now it swings just like a K15 but is a lot longer and more forgiving. The right side of the course is no longer in play.




    How many grams of tape did you add ?




    7.5 grams. I used 3, 2.5 gram, pieces stacked, to keep them back and heal side as much as I could. I didn't want long pieces to spread the weight where I didn't want it. It's been 2 months since I added them. I may add another 2.5 gram strip to bring the total to 10 grams. It may make it even easier to turn over. I hit 1 tee shot into the right rough per round image/dntknw.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dntknw:' />
  • SwingBladeSwingBlade SoCalMembers Posts: 883 ✭✭

    SwingBlade wrote:


    For years now I’ve had trouble understanding why so many pros play 43.5” to 44.25” drivers, yet amateurs who cannot remotely find the center nearly as often, insist on playing 44.5” to 45.5” drivers.



    2019 may just be the best crop of drivers and fairways in history. Great clubs from most makers. But, we need to recognize that these drivers are often very different even within the same make and type.



    For example, the F9 9.0 & 10.5 drivers are very different machines meant for very different swings. Throw in the numerous shaft variables and the adjustability capability and it’s possible that while you might not like any of them, it’s also possible that simply thinking through these variables and trying a few creative solutions might just yield an optimum combo. I’m betting the same is true for other makes as well. Merely trying one loft and one or two shafts on any of these clubs likely won’t yield much meaningful perspective one way or the other.



    I wound up with 44.25 and D5 swingweight and the ATMOS TS Blue (black) 6S and surprisingly like this combo much more than my normal DI 6 or even my old F7M2 shafts. Anyway, just food for thought.


    Not to get off topic, but I'd be curious to know of more than a few, if any pros are playing a 43.5" driver. Maybe not 45.5"+ but they're not <44".




    No real need to debate this issue. I simply said “so many pros between 43.5 & 44.25.” The average tour player is at 44.5, not the 45-45.5 that most amateurs rather foolishly play. Rickie is at 43.5 and Tiger was at 43.5 in his early Tour years. No idea what Tiger plays now. My only point was that if many of the players who are the absolute best at making center contact play 44.5 on average, and a good number of them play at less than 44.5, why in the world are mere mortal golfers playing at anything above 44.5 and not closer to 43.5? Missing dead center by 1/8” to 1/4” cost more yardage on average than is gained by hitting a 45”+ driver and missing by 1/4” to 1/2”.
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  • dpb5031dpb5031 Jupiter, FLMembers Posts: 5,351 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Agree with above that sweet spot contact trumps a couple of extra MPH of speed.



    Seems sensible/logical that a higher hc player SHOULD hit the sweetspot more regularly with a shorter driver, but is there any proof that this is the case?



    BTW, my driver is 45.25 but i often grip down an inch and prefer this length
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  • SwingBladeSwingBlade SoCalMembers Posts: 883 ✭✭
    edited Mar 17, 2019 4:55pm #45
    t4t3r wrote:


    I guess Rickie is using the 10.5 since he’s a normal Joe?



    I see in the instruction guide for F9 where it shows some differences between heads, had never seen those before. Still seems mostly loft and lie angle related to me based on what they say (launch, trajectory, and swing speed).



    Has Cobra put out anything else that goes into further depth?




    I’ll try to answer the questions about design differences between the 9.0, 10.5, and 12 F9 heads. Not pretending to be an expert on these issues. These are explanations that Cobra alludes to on their F9 promo pages. Cobra has also given enhanced explanations of these issues to industry reviewers.



    First, Cobra is no longer offering a “Tour” or “+” model driver. The F9 9.0 head supersedes those tour and + models. It is the head specifically optimized for high speed players looking for very low spin. This is partly accomplished by the 9.0 head having a slightlly more forward CG and perhaps a slightly higher or lower CG. The F9 9.0 should achieve 500 RPM lower spin rates than the F8+ heads.



    The 10.5 and 12 heads are designed to provide the more normal spin rates and launch angles and higher MOI that most of us more normal golfers require or desire.



    The F9 design features of “Dual Roll Radii” and E9 technology are specifically optimized for each of the 3 driver heads. This is especially true of the lower face radii design.



    The 9.0 lower face area, mid to bottom, will produce lower launch and less spin than the lower face area of the 10.5 which is designed to help with higher launch angles. Similarly, the lower face area of the 12 head is optimized for even higher launch assistance.



    The mid to top areas of each head are are apparently more traditionally optimized. But again, all three heads are specifically optimized beyond mere loft angle for their target audience of golfers.



    So, it appears that the 9.0 is for high speed bombers, the 12 is for lower speed players seeking max MOI and forgiveness, and the 10.5 is for the rest of us. I forestalled my ego needs and went with the 10.5 head and shorter 44.25 Tour Length F9. So far, it seems to have been a very smart decision for my game. If I want to play with more or less spin and more or less MOI, I can always move the heavy weight forward and play with the other shaft adjustability feature.
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  • stoneydukesstoneydukes ClubWRX Posts: 327 ClubWRX
    SwingBlade wrote:

    t4t3r wrote:


    I guess Rickie is using the 10.5 since he's a normal Joe?



    I see in the instruction guide for F9 where it shows some differences between heads, had never seen those before. Still seems mostly loft and lie angle related to me based on what they say (launch, trajectory, and swing speed).



    Has Cobra put out anything else that goes into further depth?




    I'll try to answer the questions about design differences between the 9.0, 10.5, and 12 F9 heads. Not pretending to be an expert on these issues. These are explanations that Cobra alludes to on their F9 promo pages. Cobra has also given enhanced explanations of these issues to industry reviewers.



    First, Cobra is no longer offering a "Tour" or "+" model driver. The F9 9.0 head supersedes those tour and + models. It is the head specifically optimized for high speed players looking for very low spin. This is partly accomplished by the 9.0 head having a slightlly more forward CG and perhaps a slightly higher or lower CG. The F9 9.0 should achieve 500 RPM lower spin rates than the F8+ heads.



    The 10.5 and 12 heads are designed to provide the more normal spin rates and launch angles and higher MOI that most of us more normal golfers require or desire.



    The F9 design features of "Dual Roll Radii" and E9 technology are specifically optimized for each of the 3 driver heads. This is especially true of the lower face radii design.



    The 9.0 lower face area, mid to bottom, will produce lower launch and less spin than the lower face area of the 10.5 which is designed to help with higher launch angles. Similarly, the lower face area of the 12 head is optimized for even higher launch assistance.



    The mid to top areas of each head are are apparently more traditionally optimized. But again, all three heads are specifically optimized beyond mere loft angle for their target audience of golfers.



    So, it appears that the 9.0 is for high speed bombers, the 12 is for lower speed players seeking max MOI and forgiveness, and the 10.5 is for the rest of us. I forestalled my ego needs and went with the 10.5 head and shorter 44.25 Tour Length F9. So far, it seems to have been a very smart decision for my game. If I want to play with more or less spin and more or less MOI, I can always move the heavy weight forward and play with the other shaft adjustability feature.




    Did your tour length F9 come at D5 or did you get a different weigh combo to get there?



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  • SwingBladeSwingBlade SoCalMembers Posts: 883 ✭✭


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    Did your tour length F9 come at D5 or did you get a different weigh combo to get there?



    Thanks,




    I believe the standard F9 comes with 14g & 2g weights. My Tour Length F9 came with 14g & 6g weights to offset the shorter 44.25 equipped with a standard mid size grip, not the Cobra grip that is 1/4” longer for data app use. The SW came in at D5. I usually play D4 so D 5 was actually great for me. The Cobra website merely says that with Tour Length they will use special weights to keep the SW in the standard range. You can request any number of non-standard lengths and a specific swingweight if preferred.
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  • mdhacker123mdhacker123 Members Posts: 711 ✭✭
    i owned and gamed the g400 max and i had the opportunity to hit the f9 both indoors, outdoors and on trackman and flight scope.



    g400 max was 9 deg stiff witht he alta 55 g stiff: extremely forgiving driver but not the longest and definitely not the lowest spinning. at times if i caught it high toeish and got that nic ehigh draw kinuckler i would hit some bombs with massive runouts but mostly this club stayed in play. however on several occasions drivers that i though i just smashed, when i got up to them the distance was shorter then what i expected.



    F9: at first i didnt like this club but i had trouble getting a shaft on it that i liked. once that was accomplished this driver definitely outperformed the g400 max distance wise. also even with the weight in the front the forgiveness was not as good as the max but it wasnt too far off.



    i think if you are a player who really struggles off the tee then stick to the max. however if you are somewhat consistent with swinging our driver you will get more out of the f9
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  • James ColeJames Cole Members Posts: 61 ✭✭
    What loft of F9 did you try?
  • mdhacker123mdhacker123 Members Posts: 711 ✭✭
    it was a 10.5 head and had it lofted down -1 and ballflight was high so we also tried -1.5
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  • blt2280blt2280 Members Posts: 410 ✭✭✭✭
    What shaft ???
  • Ping PantherPing Panther Members Posts: 248 ✭✭✭
    edited Mar 20, 2019 11:45pm #52
    So I went in the opposite direction.  I purchased an F9 with Atmos blue shaft, and ended up replacing it with a Max w/ X-torsion shaft.  I'm longer and more accurate with the Max.

    edit: first post with new forum...looks like my avatar isn't going to work...
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  • roxaldroxald ClubWRX Posts: 476 ClubWRX
    edited Mar 30, 2019 2:13am #53

    I Bought an F9 with an AD-iZ 7x and the Gmax is out of the bag.
    I hit a little fade with the Gmax lofted down coz the ballflight is much higher in the standard setting and every so often I get a high, weak right that sneaks up on me.
    The F9 is in the 9° Draw position and I’m able to hit a little draw with consistency . Great feel, feels just as forgiving and the smaller footprint looks much better at address.
    I should also add I have my 14g in the back position and it lends itself to a draw-with the weight forward it was a wee bit fade bias and similar to the Gmax flight but I did not get the high, right weak shot as with the ping. The weight back feels much better as well and a bit higher flight, but I like it!
    The Gmax is a great driver, but for me the F9 is just better.
    Rox

    Post edited by roxald on
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  • Typhoon92Typhoon92 Members Posts: 328 ✭✭✭✭

    When the g400max came out I was hitting it with the Kuro Kage and got surprisingly good ball speed, spin and launch numbers. Just wasn't in the market for a driver. I've been raving about the Cobra since it came out. Love the 9 degree and the Atmos Black seems to slightly outperform the smoke in that head for me. I was looking through the numbers I posted with the G400 Max and saw that they were almost identical to the F9.

    Only " difference" was maybe a 1 mph more ball speed with the f9. My best hit with the f9 vs the max was 2 mph more and 5 yards further. I grabbed both clubs the other day on the gc2 quad for a half hour and was swinging well. I'd take the g400max based on accuracy and the confidence I feel over the ball at address knowing I can go after the max and keep it between the buoys. If I give up a couple yards...I'd never even realize it on the course.

    A proper shaft especially with the max keeps he spin down and the numbers in check. Just trying to figure out the difference of lofting down a 10.5 to 9.5 or getting a 9 degree head.

  • ian-500ian-500 Members Posts: 804 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @roxald said:
    I Bought an F9 with an AD-iZ 7x and the Gmax is out of the bag.
    I hit a little fade with the Gmax lofted down coz the ballflight is much higher in the standard setting and every so often I get a high, weak right that sneaks up on me.
    The F9 is in the 9° Draw position and I’m able to hit a little draw with consistency . Great feel, feels just as forgiving and the smaller footprint looks much better at address.
    I should also add I have my 14g in the back position and it lends itself to a draw-with the weight forward it was a wee bit fade bias and similar to the Gmax flight but I did not get the high, right weak shot as with the ping. The weight back feels much better as well and a bit higher flight, but I like it!
    The Gmax is a great driver, but for me the F9 is just better.
    Rox

    I've ordered the same head/shaft combo. What length and swing weight is yours?

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  • roxaldroxald ClubWRX Posts: 476 ClubWRX

    @ian-500 said:

    @roxald said:
    I Bought an F9 with an AD-iZ 7x and the Gmax is out of the bag.
    I hit a little fade with the Gmax lofted down coz the ballflight is much higher in the standard setting and every so often I get a high, weak right that sneaks up on me.
    The F9 is in the 9° Draw position and I’m able to hit a little draw with consistency . Great feel, feels just as forgiving and the smaller footprint looks much better at address.
    I should also add I have my 14g in the back position and it lends itself to a draw-with the weight forward it was a wee bit fade bias and similar to the Gmax flight but I did not get the high, right weak shot as with the ping. The weight back feels much better as well and a bit higher flight, but I like it!
    The Gmax is a great driver, but for me the F9 is just better.
    Rox

    I've ordered the same head/shaft combo. What length and swing weight is yours?

    Mine is D2 @ 45”. Just over 45.25 including the Arcos Grip.
    Rox

    Cobra F9 Avalanche 9° with GD AD-iZ 7X<br />GBB 3-wood with Regio 70x<br />Rogue 5-wood with Aldila Green 70S<br />Srixon U65 23° with Nippon 120X<br />Cobra Forged Tec Black OL 5 & 6 and VL 7-PW $-Taper 125’s<br />Callaway Forged Black 54° and 58° PM Grind/ Nippon 115X Wedge<br />Bettinardi Stock 8<br />TP5
  • nostaticnostatic "i drank what?!?" Socrates lost angelesClubWRX Posts: 201 ClubWRX

    more apples to kumquats, but currently have the G400Max 10.5 and F9 3W 14.5 in the bag. I don't really have an impetus to try another driver - the Max is the most consistent club in my bag. The F9 3W is a much smaller head, and off the tee, much less tolerant of sloppy contact (not unexpected). It does go well when hit, but the Max remains in my very rare "ain't broke, don't fix it" bucket. Different swings may give different results, talk to your doctor if side effects linger...

    Ping G400Max 10.5 XTorsion S - Cobra F9 3W 16 Devo7 S - F9 3H Devo8 S 
    Mizuno 919 Hot Metal Pro 4-PW - 919F GW - S18 55/09 PX LZ Tour 6.0 - Ping Glide2.0 Stealth 58TS
    Odyssey StrokeLab Double Wide Flow
  • The Real PacmanThe Real Pacman Members Posts: 83 ✭✭✭

    I've hit the F9 on the range at a demo day, and you couldn't get me to switch from my G400 Max for anything right now. The most forgiving driver out there that I've tested, and thats what is most important for me in a driver at the moment.

  • TooeasyTooeasy OhioMembers Posts: 10 ✭✭

    The Gmax is such a simple club to hit..I haven’t tried every driver but I have tried the F9. The F9 is a great driver but the Gmax is point and shoot. Most forgiving driver I have ever hit.

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