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Simple question, is a Cameron 009 worth it? With brands like Byron, Piretti, Bettinardi, Machine, etc. making just as high of quality, or the 009's really worth the north of $3,000 price tag if you aren't a collector? I ask because if I were to get one, i would game it, not collect. Seems like if you actually game them, it would be the same thing as a custom DH89, just with Cameron's name on it instead of Byron. I guess what I'm asking is what makes the 009 different or better than the other offerings when it comes to playability? Or is it all in the branding?
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  • VNutzVNutz Members  6850WRX Points: 774Posts: 6,850 Titanium Tees
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    There's no difference in playability, they're nearly the same putters with different names on them. The differences are in the initial selling price and what the collectors markets will bear. 009s start higher but also resell pretty well, if you have the right options. Byrons start at a lower price point and resell ok. If you are patient, know the market, and buy used you generally should be able to get most of your money back on either if/when you decide to sell. Whether either is worth it is entirely up to you and if it suits your game.
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  • MaximilianMaximilian Members  1512WRX Points: 316Posts: 1,512 Platinum Tees
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    It’s a nice looking head, but no it won’t get the ball in the hole better than a DH89 or similar.
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  • cmrl1986cmrl1986 Members  2391WRX Points: 92Handicap: 0.2Posts: 2,391 Platinum Tees
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    VNutz wrote:
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    There's no difference in playability, they're nearly the same putters with different names on them. The differences are in the initial selling price and what the collectors markets will bear. 009s start higher but also resell pretty well, if you have the right options. Byrons start at a lower price point and resell ok. If you are patient, know the market, and buy used you generally should be able to get most of your money back on either if/when you decide to sell. Whether either is worth it is entirely up to you and if it suits your game.<br />
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    This makes sense, I guess I was wondering if the shape was at all different, or if it's purely the name that drives the price. From what I've heard, they're pretty much the exact same head (maybe extremely minor differences) and the price is due to the popularity of the brand. Obviously you don't see any Byron's on tour, but I'm assuming that's a pay for play issue, not a inferior equipment thing.
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    1000% yes, do it.
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  • scott_Donaldscott_Donald Aberdeen, Scotland & HoustonMembers  2878WRX Points: 404Posts: 2,878 Titanium Tees
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    I was tempted to get a 009 last year and held off buying one.<br />
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    Artisan putters were released and now so glad I bought one. I wanted a putter I can keep and it can grow old with me!<br />
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    so most definitely buy your putter that you really want!!!
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  • Skaffa77Skaffa77 Heaven? No, the Sand Hills... ClubWRX  6947WRX Points: 250Posts: 6,947 ClubWRX
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    Worth it? That's a matter of perspective and what you value. I've paid a lot of money over the years to try out different putters and eventually settle into the ones I really feel the most comfortable with. The irony is that my favorite putter is a flow-neck Bettinardi BB8 which was 1/3 of the price of my CT Camerons, but still relatively expensive. I own 3 CT Camerons...each of them gets played on the course. Was it worth? Sure...but I had $$ to buy and play those putters without sacrificing other things in life (excessive debt, family needs, etc).
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  • cmrl1986cmrl1986 Members  2391WRX Points: 92Handicap: 0.2Posts: 2,391 Platinum Tees
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    1000% yes, do it.
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    Worth it to buy one? Any reasoning in this?
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    Skaffa77 wrote:
    Worth it? That's a matter of perspective and what you value. I've paid a lot of money over the years to try out different putters and eventually settle into the ones I really feel the most comfortable with. The irony is that my favorite putter is a flow-neck Bettinardi BB8 which was 1/3 of the price of my CT Camerons, but still relatively expensive. I own 3 CT Camerons...each of them gets played on the course. Was it worth? Sure...but I had $$ to buy and play those putters without sacrificing other things in life (excessive debt, family needs, etc).
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    I've had more than my fair share of custom Bettis, and still own 2-3, same with Piretti tours, and Byron I just love the dh89/009 headshape and Betti doesn't have it (BB0 not as close as you'd think). I'm not really interested in anything outside of that head shape. That being said, I'm trying to decide on either finally having a custom DH89 made, or searching for the right 009 in carbon. I can get the Byron for about $800 new and designed exactly how I want. I know an 009 is going to run around 3,000-3,500, but hold its value.
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  • MudguardMudguard Members  1527WRX Points: 230Posts: 1,527 Platinum Tees
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    If you can afford to use it and aren't worried about what it's worth in a few years then go for it. If you're buying it with resale in mind, maybe not so much. It's like anything, it won't putt any better than anything else, but you may enjoy using it.<br />
    The only other thing to consider is how you leave your bag. I'm fairly cavalier about leaving my bag, I'll leave it outside the proshop while I putt or have lunch etc. Not sure how comfortable I'd be with an expensive putter sitting in there.
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  • cmrl1986cmrl1986 Members  2391WRX Points: 92Handicap: 0.2Posts: 2,391 Platinum Tees
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    Mudguard wrote:
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    If you can afford to use it and aren't worried about what it's worth in a few years then go for it. If you're buying it with resale in mind, maybe not so much. It's like anything, it won't putt any better than anything else, but you may enjoy using it.<br />
    The only other thing to consider is how you leave your bag. I'm fairly cavalier about leaving my bag, I'll leave it outside the proshop while I putt or have lunch etc. Not sure how comfortable I'd be with an expensive putter sitting in there.<br />
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    Having a 3k putter stolen is also something I've thought about. I've had a whole bag stolen before (not sitting out, car broken into) and it's no fun whatsoever to try to recoup losses on that thru insurances. I'm a member at a pretty nice club, but play tournaments all over. This is also the reason I use a PGA Championship hc instead of any branded ones on my putters when in my bag.
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    My putter cost $60 used.<br />
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    I’m 100% certain it’s putts as well or better than any $3000 putter and I don’t have to worry about it getting stolen because I have an identical one in the corner of my living room that I practice putting with during commercials.<br />
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    Of course,.....as much as I love golf I don’t give a **** about putters. <br />
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    Spend your money on what makes you happy. I have Rolexes and Brietlings that I really enjoy that tell time worse than a Digital Casio, but they are pretty and they are worth more than what I paid for them so they are “worth” many thousands of dollars to me and that’s all that really matters in the end.
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  • mizunoMX25mizunoMX25 Members  310WRX Points: 105Posts: 310 Greens
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    If you're planning to keep it forever then it doesn't matter. If you think there's at least a decent chance you'll sell it in a month or two and buy something else, I would argue buy the 009. Just be patient, know what you want as far as general design/stamping, and wait for a good deal. A custom $1000 Byron might net you 2/3 of your money back at best. If you wait for a good deal when people are broke and need money to pay bills, and don't sell it for cheap, there is a very real chance you could get all or more of your money back on the Cameron. Those that tend to get their money back on those kind of deals are those that don't NEED to sell the putter. The most important thing is not to overextend yourself or you will take a beating. I've seen it 100 times. Good luck on the greens regardless of what you decide, you really can't go wrong with either.
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    cmrl1986 wrote:
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    Skaffa77 wrote:
    Worth it? That's a matter of perspective and what you value. I've paid a lot of money over the years to try out different putters and eventually settle into the ones I really feel the most comfortable with. The irony is that my favorite putter is a flow-neck Bettinardi BB8 which was 1/3 of the price of my CT Camerons, but still relatively expensive. I own 3 CT Camerons...each of them gets played on the course. Was it worth? Sure...but I had $$ to buy and play those putters without sacrificing other things in life (excessive debt, family needs, etc).
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    I've had more than my fair share of custom Bettis, and still own 2-3, same with Piretti tours, and Byron I just love the dh89/009 headshape and Betti doesn't have it (BB0 not as close as you'd think). I'm not really interested in anything outside of that head shape. That being said, I'm trying to decide on either finally having a custom DH89 made, or searching for the right 009 in carbon. I can get the Byron for about $800 new and designed exactly how I want. I know an 009 is going to run around 3,000-3,500, but hold its value.<br />
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    If you are not stuck on the Cameron name or care what people see....it sounds like you might appreciate the custom Byron a bit more. With that said...for some of us...until we buy it and try it...we always have that itch that won't go away until you scratch it.
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    i think you already know the answer (009 isn't worth it unless you are looking for resale or to collect, or if you just love the brand cameron) - a byron is exactly the same materially speaking. its a carbon steel anser headshape. however there is another option. i had a newport aop (carbon scotty anser headshape) completely redone. its no secret i love this stick - its on other posts! all in cost, about $700 with finish, tungsten, sight line, stamps, face milling, putter, grip, cover - etc.
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    The difference between a 009 and other customs is that you will be able to resell the Cameron a bit quicker. It is the Rolex of the high end putter world. Carries a premium due to the name, recognizable, and there is demand in the preowned market. Other less expensive brands do the same thing, but isn't a Rolex, or in the case of putters, a Cameron.
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    ckay wrote:
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    The difference between a 009 and other customs is that you will be able to resell the Cameron a bit quicker. It is the Rolex of the high end putter world. Carries a premium due to the name, recognizable, and there is demand in the preowned market. Other less expensive brands do the same thing, but isn't a Rolex, or in the case of putters, a Cameron.<br />
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    I've actually experienced the opposite. When it comes to high end putters, the market isn't as big. Trying to convince someone to spend 3k on a putter is very hard unless they're very well off. To me, the easiest to sell are the $400-$600 range because they're usually not OTR and are more affordable.
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    I have had putted with numerous Cameron’s over the last 20 years, I prefer the older carbons.. BUT not one of them felt or sounded like a raw 009, that putter feels and sounds better than any I have owned, atleast to me
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    i think you already know the answer (009 isn't worth it unless you are looking for resale or to collect, or if you just love the brand cameron) - a byron is exactly the same materially speaking. its a carbon steel anser headshape. however there is another option. i had a newport aop (carbon scotty anser headshape) completely redone. its no secret i love this stick - its on other posts! all in cost, about $700 with finish, tungsten, sight line, stamps, face milling, putter, grip, cover - etc.<br />
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    Beautiful poutter!<br />
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    Whoever did the work for you was a true craftsman...the fit and finsih of those tungstem weights is impeccable!
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    All branding. My $100 Pro 1 puts the ball in the hole just as good if not sometimes better than my buddies 009 does
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    009s are nice but 100% not worth it. I would much prefer DH89, MA66, Strokesgained, Piretti 801R for half the price.
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    I'd echo the comments about whether it would bother you sitting in your bag. I had a made for tour putter last year and sold it because I didn't want to worry about leaving it outside while traveling to a new course. Some guys wouldn't be bothered, not me, it made me nervous.
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    If I was going to spend 3 grand I'd buy a Ping Dalehead and spend the rest on a nice set of Miura's . <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Is it "worth" it? No. But if you have the disposable income more power to you.
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    That’s entirely up to you. It certainly won’t make you putt better. If it’s suited for your stroke and specs, it can’t hurt your game. <br />
    I have yet to find one that has my “perfect” stamps, finish, etc, so I’ve gone the custom routes with different makers to make my vision come alive. <br />
    Will I buy one that comes along, sure, but not to make me a better putter.
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  • A.PrinceyA.Princey Major Hacker Members  2579WRX Points: 546Handicap: 3Posts: 2,579 Titanium Tees
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    If they ever get to the sub-$2k's maybe, but beyond that I really think there's a ceiling for luxury value. Just like vehicles, sub-100k can be justified to some extent, but above that just seems to get foolish. Everyone has their "limits".<br />
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    The other thing I would add is, how's your track record with taking care of your sticks? Are you already super anal about protecting them, used to babying them? I've got putters that have seen the course 3+ dozen times that haven't a single nick or scratch, just small course marks(sand wear on the sole, impact spots on sweetspot). If your best kept club looks dented and 'well used', at some point an 009 will get there too. Old habits die hard, but if you can keep it nice, you'll likely be able to cash-in on it at any time to get your investment back.
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    I don't want to own a golf club that needs an insurance rider, which would be sensible if you're going to put a $3k putter into play. I felt foolish for discussing it with my agent who I play golf with regularly. I bought the putter with provenance that it was used on tour but without the COA for around $650. I invested the money and time to send it in to get the COA and valued it around $1500 when I got it back. That was too rich for my blood. Enough to sting if it went missing was enough for me to worry when it was in the bag stand and I was in the bar. Nothing gets between me and relaxing in the bar! Surely I have friends and acquaintances that would scoff and replace it at $3k, that's just not me. Best wishes, OP. You can certainly save yourself some energy by thinking about it a little. Spend a month and pretend you have a $3,000.00 putter in your bag. How often would you think about it and would it be positive for negative. I was mostly playing at a high end private club with club storage. Nothing ever gets stolen. Nonetheless, I couldn't stop thinking about it. Some of us are just more anxious than others <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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    The only thing a 009 will do that similar putters won't is let you say, "Yeah I'm cool, I have a 009."
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    A.Princey wrote:
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    If they ever get to the sub-$2k's maybe, but beyond that I really think there's a ceiling for luxury value. Just like vehicles, sub-100k can be justified to some extent, but above that just seems to get foolish. Everyone has their "limits".<br />
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    The other thing I would add is, how's your track record with taking care of your sticks? Are you already super anal about protecting them, used to babying them? I've got putters that have seen the course 3+ dozen times that haven't a single nick or scratch, just small course marks(sand wear on the sole, impact spots on sweetspot). If your best kept club looks dented and 'well used', at some point an 009 will get there too. Old habits die hard, but if you can keep it nice, you'll likely be able to cash-in on it at any time to get your investment back.<br />
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    Im very anal about my putters. Always use a headcover and wipe down reguarly. My current gamer (DH89 oil can) gets oiled every other week or so to keep it fresh.
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    cmrl1986 wrote:
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    1000% yes, do it.
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    Worth it to buy one? Any reasoning in this?<br />
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    yes, it's worth it if you want it, if you got the cash. It will never wear out and you'll have it forever. Nobody ever buys a Cameron then regrets it afterwards.<br />
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    Also, sitting around worrying about something that hasn't happened yet (ie stolen putter) is bad for your health and is not a good way to live. If you love golf, you'll love a oo9. I'm a NP2 guy.
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Rich Text Editor. To edit a paragraph's style, hit tab to get to the paragraph menu. From there you will be able to pick one style. Nothing defaults to paragraph. An inline formatting menu will show up when you select text. Hit tab to get into that menu. Some elements, such as rich link embeds, images, loading indicators, and error messages may get inserted into the editor. You may navigate to these using the arrow keys inside of the editor and delete them with the delete or backspace key.