Pure745's 2014 Shootout - Update 6/15/14

[Pure745]

[quote name='Whit' timestamp='1398621542' post='9181309']
Hey bro, awesome job. One question I have is how do you think the 913 would have done against these new set ups?
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It would have finished middle of the pack, I have hit the D3 side by side with the 460/430 setups on the course. Good for good, it's shorter and the misses spin way more. I could still use without reservation, but the 460 is much better for me, the D3 is more accurate than the 430, so I probably would pick it over the 430 but not the 460.

[sevenputts]

I wonder how a BBA would have done w/ a Rogue in it.

[Whiskey_fire]

Thanks Tai. I just love the look of the Titleist so much. Really hope the 915 line is lower spin

[Pure745]

[quote name='sevenputts' timestamp='1398622081' post='9181359']
I wonder how a BBA would have done w/ a Rogue in it.
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Probably would still be close. Remember, the BBA had a slight tail wind and shaft was a little longer. Normalized, the BBA is 6 yards behind the 460's normalized numbers. I think if I did an actual full fitting with each head, the numbers would be very close with both, they are both REALLY good. I am sticking with the SLDR for a few reasons, the main one being I like the looks better and I like the way the rest of the line performs.

[quote name='Whit' timestamp='1398622806' post='9181413']
Thanks Tai. I just love the look of the Titleist so much. Really hope the 915 line is lower spin
[/quote]

I'm a big Titleist fan as well, love pretty much everything they make. Other OEM's just release product so much faster than Titleist, which is either a good or bad thing depending on what is being released. Recent releases have really stepped it up, hoping the 915 incorporates a little bit more performance and keeps the classy looks.

[dukediv2011]

Really appreciate you doing this, Tai! Does the Rogue shaft come in a stiff or just a TX?

[Dbogey]

I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas morning!

[sevenputts]

[quote name='Pure745' timestamp='1398623392' post='9181451']
[quote name='sevenputts' timestamp='1398622081' post='9181359']
I wonder how a BBA would have done w/ a Rogue in it.
[/quote]

Probably would still be close. Remember, the BBA had a slight tail wind and shaft was a little longer. Normalized, the BBA is 6 yards behind the 460's normalized numbers. I think if I did an actual full fitting with each head, the numbers would be very close with both, they are both REALLY good. I am sticking with the SLDR for a few reasons, the main one being I like the looks better and I like the way the rest of the line performs.

[quote name='Whit' timestamp='1398622806' post='9181413']
Thanks Tai. I just love the look of the Titleist so much. Really hope the 915 line is lower spin
[/quote]

I'm a big Titleist fan as well, love pretty much everything they make. Other OEM's just release product so much faster than Titleist, which is either a good or bad thing depending on what is being released. Recent releases have really stepped it up, hoping the 915 incorporates a little bit more performance and keeps the classy looks.
[/quote] Can't go wrong with that SLDR setup. Good work Tai and thanks for all the hard work. It makes a lot of wrx'ers life easier and cheaper.. Lol !

[sevenputts]

[quote name='dukediv2011' timestamp='1398623448' post='9181459']
Really appreciate you doing this, Tai! Does the Rogue shaft come in a stiff or just a TX?
[/quote] I would think they come in Stiff, X-stiff and TX. Maybe a regular as well ?

[AUDuffer]

Tai, great post and awesome seeing all of your numbers! I thought the Fourteen would be up there based really on the accuracy portion--did you get dispersion numbers to track? From the "sky view" it looked like the GeLong was the most accurate.

[Pure745]

[quote name='AUDuffer' timestamp='1398626348' post='9181677']
Tai, great post and awesome seeing all of your numbers! I thought the Fourteen would be up there based really on the accuracy portion--did you get dispersion numbers to track? From the "sky view" it looked like the GeLong was the most accurate.
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One drive that I absolutely obliterated did not register Those dots on the chart are accurate, they represent the 3 best "usable" shots hit, so the Gelong I hit 6-7 balls to get those 3. The numbers aren't based of 3 that were nuked.. just 3 that I would be happy to play.

[GC70]

Nice job, your the man.

How would you compare the 661 to the Rogue? OMG Cool Clubs is like a candy store!

[Pure745]

[quote name='MNNikeGuy' timestamp='1398628193' post='9181807']
Nice job, your the man.

How would you compare the 661 to the Rogue? OMG Cool Clubs is like a candy store!
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The 661 will tend to have more of a load feel to it, closer to the ATX green. The Rogue is a little more boardy feeling but still smooth, it just has less of the load sensation the 661 has. The 661 in the 460 head was VERY straight, a great performing shaft.

[UnderPar18]

I would be interested to see the BBA with rogue against the 460 with rogue. I know you don't care for Callaway though so I doubt it matters for your personal sake. Great write up as always

[Pure745]

[quote name='UnderPar18' timestamp='1398629565' post='9181955']
I would be interested to see the BBA with rogue against the 460 with rogue. I know you don't care for Callaway though so I doubt it matters for your personal sake. Great write up as always
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I don't care for the #hypehastagoverload. I think Callaway's products are great, just fit and finish consistency isn't where I think it should be for that price. The numbers I posted speak for themselves BBA performed fantastic!

[scratchswinger]

Good job man! When are you going to test 3 woods?

I was able to watch a few of the sessions, here are a few things that I noticed.

Rouge: on shots with side spin the ball starts moving to the side and then it straightens out. The other shafts continue moving to the side for a longer amount of time.

BBA: Flight is awesome and the performance is a hybrid between the 430/460.

i25: Sound is very tingy compared to the other drivers.

Nike: spin and flight is noticeable different (higher) misses spin like a top.

GeLong: it's much lower launch than the others, seems like a though driver to play, would have to go up in loft.

The 661 and BB are both awesome shafts, Fuji is more mid launch and low spin with better feel. BB is more low/low with a stiffer tip and is better if you want to keep the ball from going left.

[easyyy]

i just love this thread. A dream come true for most of us. I think most of us do what you did Tai but we do it reading and watching. You did it for real and lucky for me... I can sit here with a bag of popcorn while I watch it all go down. Thanks!!!!

Ohh this is a serious play ground...


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[peakposition]

Yeah man! This is how its done! Awesome job and intresting results. And the numbers seems to be better now

[UnderPar18]

[quote name='Pure745' timestamp='1398629885' post='9181987']
[quote name='UnderPar18' timestamp='1398629565' post='9181955']
I would be interested to see the BBA with rogue against the 460 with rogue. I know you don't care for Callaway though so I doubt it matters for your personal sake. Great write up as always
[/quote]

I don't care for the #hypehastagoverload. I think Callaway's products are great, just fit and finish consistency isn't where I think it should be for that price. The numbers I posted speak for themselves BBA performed fantastic!
[/quote]

Then how do you deal with face paint and cartoons explaining the technology sponsored by Dick's Sporting Goods?!? Lol we all have our own opinions, but I would love to try the rogue. I have a Nunchuk in my BBA and love what I am seeing. 12 degree SLDR with a Nunchuk would be pretty sweet as well but I just bought Nunchuk iron shafts so I am broke!

What's the putter swag like this year? Any new additions coming soon?

[UnderPar18]

[quote name='easyyy' timestamp='1398631615' post='9182183']
i just love this thread. A dream come true for most of us. I think most of us do what you did Tai but we do it reading and watching. You did it for real and lucky for me... I can sit here with a bag of popcorn while I watch it all go down. Thanks!!!!

Ohh this is a serious play ground...


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[/quote]

This is a golfers dream!

[J13]

Nice review it's always nice to have numbers. Curious what lofts were tested in each head?

[potuna]

Great work here Tai, take a break.

[ram01002]

I vote for Pure to be the default representative to test all new clubs for Golfwrx . . . No fluff, hyperbole, dancing monkeys, just data and great info.

Thanks for doing this!!!!!!!!!

[bruinmw]

Thanks for posting the results and going through the testing. I tested out the CT2.0 for a couple of months as well, and just couldn't seem to get it to perform consistently. Yeah, there'd be some I'd hit solid, but then overall, it just didn't seem to perform as I was expecting. Returned it to RD with their 90 day guarantee, and happened to find a 460 SLDR with a 661 on the used rack, and looking brand new. Sweet. Turns out somebody had ordered it, and couldn't hit it, so they returned it. Their loss, my gain. Promptly picked it up, and through 3 rounds, have found this to be a straighter, consistently longer, and slightly more forgiving setup than the stock CT2.0. Really glad to have found this setup, which performed very well in your test.

Thanks again. Maybe one of these days I can catch a round with you and the TCC guys...

Thanks

[jonn443]

Daaamn...314 carry... I'm thoroughly impressed.

[BidenTP]

[quote name='dukediv2011' timestamp='1398623448' post='9181459']
Really appreciate you doing this, Tai! Does the Rogue shaft come in a stiff or just a TX?
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As of right now the rogue is tour issue only so it only comes in TX, just like the atx green/blue 85/95/105.

[dukediv2011]

[quote name='BidenTP' timestamp='1398642227' post='9183185']
[quote name='dukediv2011' timestamp='1398623448' post='9181459']
Really appreciate you doing this, Tai! Does the Rogue shaft come in a stiff or just a TX?
[/quote]

As of right now the rogue is tour issue only so it only comes in TX, just like the atx green/blue 85/95/105.
[/quote]

Appreciate it! I'd love to try it in a Stiff or X. I don't have the power for the TX! SS is 105.

[BidenTP]

[quote name='scratchswinger' timestamp='1398629971' post='9181997']
Good job man! When are you going to test 3 woods?
[/quote]

Amazing shoutout tai!! Thanks for all your hard work you put in to compare all the heads and shafts.

It makes me wonder if I should just put the pro 73 TS up on BST when I get it this week and pick up a 661/757 instead.

I am also interested in when your going to test 3 woods cause right now I'm stuck trying to decide what shaft to go with. I've been looking at the atx blue 75/85, 757 or BB7. I can't wait to see how the 3W numbers turn out

[Pure745]

[quote name='bruinmw' timestamp='1398640635' post='9183009']
Thanks for posting the results and going through the testing. I tested out the CT2.0 for a couple of months as well, and just couldn't seem to get it to perform consistently. Yeah, there'd be some I'd hit solid, but then overall, it just didn't seem to perform as I was expecting. Returned it to RD with their 90 day guarantee, and happened to find a 460 SLDR with a 661 on the used rack, and looking brand new. Sweet. Turns out somebody had ordered it, and couldn't hit it, so they returned it. Their loss, my gain. Promptly picked it up, and through 3 rounds, have found this to be a straighter, consistently longer, and slightly more forgiving setup than the stock CT2.0. Really glad to have found this setup, which performed very well in your test.

Thanks again. Maybe one of these days I can catch a round with you and the TCC guys...

Thanks
[/quote]

The Covert Tour is an interesting club. I have seen a few people hit it that literally could not miss with it, very straight and low spin. I had a few good rounds with it, but when compared with some of the other offerings, I think there is a gap in consistent performance. Like I mentioned before, I think Nike needs to make something based off the Performance head with the MOI/CG of the tour head and lower the spin further across the face. Finding a SLDR with 661 at RD's is like striking gold!

[quote name='BidenTP' timestamp='1398644183' post='9183413']
[quote name='scratchswinger' timestamp='1398629971' post='9181997']
Good job man! When are you going to test 3 woods?
[/quote]

Amazing shoutout tai!! Thanks for all your hard work you put in to compare all the heads and shafts.

It makes me wonder if I should just put the pro 73 TS up on BST when I get it this week and pick up a 661/757 instead.

I am also interested in when your going to test 3 woods cause right now I'm stuck trying to decide what shaft to go with. I've been looking at the atx blue 75/85, 757 or BB7. I can't wait to see how the 3W numbers turn out
[/quote]

Based on the specs I saw of the Pro 73 (not sure on the TS) I went with the 661/757 instead. I think the 757 could be a little better for me in the driver than the 661, but the 661 was a really solid shaft. 3 wood test?!?! Not sure about that one.. I will be [s]testing[/s] instantly buying the SLDR Mini 14˚, I might try to get it on the Trackman, but more importantly I think it could be a game changer for me on the course.

[scratchswinger]

[quote name='easyyy' timestamp='1398631615' post='9182183']
i just love this thread. A dream come true for most of us. I think most of us do what you did Tai but we do it reading and watching. You did it for real and lucky for me... I can sit here with a bag of popcorn while I watch it all go down. Thanks!!!!

Ohh this is a serious play ground...


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[/quote]

It really is a top notch facility and company. Everything that they sell has been thoroughly tested by their staff and has to make the cut before it ever gets into the fitting rotation. Their builds are second to none, tons of PGA staffers have their equipment assembled there (even an active legend). Everything that they have ever built me has been perfect.

[BidenTP]

[quote name='Pure745' timestamp='1398644755' post='9183451']
[quote name='BidenTP' timestamp='1398644183' post='9183413']
[quote name='scratchswinger' timestamp='1398629971' post='9181997']
Good job man! When are you going to test 3 woods?
[/quote]

Amazing shoutout tai!! Thanks for all your hard work you put in to compare all the heads and shafts.

It makes me wonder if I should just put the pro 73 TS up on BST when I get it this week and pick up a 661/757 instead.

I am also interested in when your going to test 3 woods cause right now I'm stuck trying to decide what shaft to go with. I've been looking at the atx blue 75/85, 757 or BB7. I can't wait to see how the 3W numbers turn out
[/quote]

Based on the specs I saw of the Pro 73 (not sure on the TS) I went with the 661/757 instead. I think the 757 could be a little better for me in the driver than the 661, but the 661 was a really solid shaft. 3 wood test?!?! Not sure about that one.. I will be [s]testing[/s] instantly buying the SLDR Mini 14˚, I might try to get it on the Trackman, but more importantly I think it could be a game changer for me on the course.
[/quote]

What shaft are you gonna go with in the mini driver? I've been looking at that too as thinking about putting the atx blue 75 in it.

Here are the specs for the 73 TS

MODEL FLEX LENGTH WEIGHT TIP FLEX BUTT FLEX TORQUE TIP DIA BUTT DIA BEND PT SPIN LAUNCH
PRO 73 TS S 46 72 105 79 2.9 .335 .610 M/H L M
PRO 73 TS X 46 72 95 72 2.9 .335 .610 M/H L M

I have the X coming this week. Thanks again!!