Any news on the Next Titleist Driver???

[odshot68]

As I just mentioned, I have never gotten those low spin numbers with their heads. Not to say others haven’t but I have not.

[odshot68]

It also states that JT tips his driver 1.5" which will obviously help knock some spin off the ball. My theory with why TaylorMade tips all of their driver shafts an inch from the factory is so people fall in love with the low spin they see on the launch monitors.

I get 1800 spin with my ping ls with untipped shaft. Shaft can only do so much.

[JStang]

As I just mentioned, I have never gotten those low spin numbers with their heads. Not to say others haven't but I have not.

 

I think it comes down to how much Titleist tips their shafts. Based on a conversation I remember, they either do not tip trim them at all or tip 1/2" depending on the shaft.

[JStang]

It also states that JT tips his driver 1.5" which will obviously help knock some spin off the ball. My theory with why TaylorMade tips all of their driver shafts an inch from the factory is so people fall in love with the low spin they see on the launch monitors.

I get 1800 spin with my ping ls with untipped shaft. Shaft can only do so much.

 

Sure, there are a lot of ways to get low spin. Way too many variables and with you being a 1.2 handicap I'm sure you understand that.

[RonSwanson]

It also states that JT tips his driver 1.5" which will obviously help knock some spin off the ball. My theory with why TaylorMade tips all of their driver shafts an inch from the factory is so people fall in love with the low spin they see on the launch monitors.

 

This is very golf geeky, but that looks like an older shaft (Tensei Blue I think). I saw a Titleist tour truck video recently that showed a build for his driver with the new BF 60 TX and they said he plays it untipped because he likes the active feel. I doubt his current spin numbers are much/if any different, but that's quite a change if the Trackman shaft info is correct.

[JStang]

It also states that JT tips his driver 1.5" which will obviously help knock some spin off the ball. My theory with why TaylorMade tips all of their driver shafts an inch from the factory is so people fall in love with the low spin they see on the launch monitors.

 

This is very golf geeky, but that looks like an older shaft (Tensei Blue I think). I saw a Titleist tour truck video recently that showed a build for his driver with the new BF 60 TX and they said he plays it untipped because he likes the active feel. I doubt his current spin numbers are much/if any different, but that's quite a change if the Trackman shaft info is correct.

 

I saw that piece from the tour truck as well. That was a good watch!

[odshot68]

It also states that JT tips his driver 1.5" which will obviously help knock some spin off the ball. My theory with why TaylorMade tips all of their driver shafts an inch from the factory is so people fall in love with the low spin they see on the launch monitors.

 

This is very golf geeky, but that looks like an older shaft (Tensei Blue I think). I saw a Titleist tour truck video recently that showed a build for his driver with the new BF 60 TX and they said he plays it untipped because he likes the active feel. I doubt his current spin numbers are much/if any different, but that's quite a change if the Trackman shaft info is correct.

 

That tour bf sounds interesting. I never hear of anyone using it. I thought I remember an lpga girl using the same shaft. Michelle wie?

[dwboston]

They need to go back to the 910 head and tweak from there. The last few itierations have been bad IMO

 

I've had all of them except for the 913 and none have been bad. 910 was good, 915 was longer but louder, 917 is longer than 915 and better sounding. The only bad driver Titleist made in the last 20 years was the 907 series.

[The Mad Bomber]

They need to go back to the 910 head and tweak from there. The last few itierations have been bad IMO

 

I've had all of them except for the 913 and none have been bad. 910 was good, 915 was longer but louder, 917 is longer than 915 and better sounding. The only bad driver Titleist made in the last 20 years was the 907 series.

 

I actually played the D2 and liked it. But when 910 came out, that thing was history. The 907 D1 was the worst thing Titleist has put out ever.

[dwboston]

They need to go back to the 910 head and tweak from there. The last few itierations have been bad IMO

 

I've had all of them except for the 913 and none have been bad. 910 was good, 915 was longer but louder, 917 is longer than 915 and better sounding. The only bad driver Titleist made in the last 20 years was the 907 series.

 

I actually played the D2 and liked it. But when 910 came out, that thing was history. The 907 D1 was the worst thing Titleist has put out ever.

 

Agreed. Biggest problem for the 907 series (besides the ugly triangle shaped abomination) was that it was following basically the best driver ever made in the 905R.

[The Mad Bomber]

They need to go back to the 910 head and tweak from there. The last few itierations have been bad IMO

 

I've had all of them except for the 913 and none have been bad. 910 was good, 915 was longer but louder, 917 is longer than 915 and better sounding. The only bad driver Titleist made in the last 20 years was the 907 series.

 

I actually played the D2 and liked it. But when 910 came out, that thing was history. The 907 D1 was the worst thing Titleist has put out ever.

 

Agreed. Biggest problem for the 907 series (besides the ugly triangle shaped abomination) was that it was following basically the best driver ever made in the 905R.

 

One driver that hardly ever gets mentioned, even round here, was the 907 D4. That was an awesome driver. I had one and it got stolen and I wish I still had it. It felt and sounded a LOT like the 910.

[sandy]

That driver head is so hot it probably oozes molten hot melt from that port when you stripe one.

 

A birdie told me that TS stands for TOP SPIN. I guess the Titleist executives had enough with the complaints and reviews stating the older models created too much back spin. They’ve now reversed the tables and have created the industries first ever top spin driver. Litterally, this head (and marketing campaign) is hitting the ground running!!

 

All kidding aside, I look forward to the release and eventual demo on my end.

 

Actually stands for “Tripled Spin”

 

A Titleist spin joke. Never heard that before. Yawn

 

Just like the Cally and Taylormade release cycle jokes. Is there anything left of that dead horse?

 

I thought this was the “beat a dead horse” site...a definite trait of many posters.. Why this site is becoming a yawner.

[rymail00]

I hope they go back to the old line and triangle on the crown instead of the double triangle or whatever is on the crown now.

[BottleCap]

They need to go back to the 910 head and tweak from there. The last few itierations have been bad IMO

 

I've had all of them except for the 913 and none have been bad. 910 was good, 915 was longer but louder, 917 is longer than 915 and better sounding. The only bad driver Titleist made in the last 20 years was the 907 series.

 

The dude that designed the 910 and 913 went to Cobra.

[IcemanYVR]

975D, 975J, 905T, 905R, 913D2, and 917D2... have them all. The 905R went back in the back the second I found one with the Blue shaft.

 

I will for sure get fit for the new one, and probably purchase it but it has work to do to beat the 905R and replace it in the bag. Day in and day out it's still one of the longest most forgiving drivers out there. When I show up to a fitting I bring the 905, twice the fitter has said "A 905R? That's going to be tough to beat"...

 

I think it's the perfect combination of shaft, head, swingweight, and length for me. I've never had a better fitting club.

[wfrogge1]

That driver head is so hot it probably oozes molten hot melt from that port when you stripe one.

 

A birdie told me that TS stands for TOP SPIN. I guess the Titleist executives had enough with the complaints and reviews stating the older models created too much back spin. They've now reversed the tables and have created the industries first ever top spin driver. Litterally, this head (and marketing campaign) is hitting the ground running!!

 

All kidding aside, I look forward to the release and eventual demo on my end.

 

Actually stands for "Tripled Spin"

 

A Titleist spin joke. Never heard that before. Yawn

 

Just like the Cally and Taylormade release cycle jokes. Is there anything left of that dead horse?

 

Every six months we can slightly adjust the joke and tell it again like its something new. Same release schedule and marketing as Cally and TM drivers.

[bravesgolf]

I should add I haven't seen low spin numbers with any recent Titleist Head and I carry mostly all Titleist in my bag except driver fairway wood and driving iron.

 

Is 1,800 RPM's low enough for you?

 

https://blog.trackmangolf.com/justin-thomas-trackman-numbers/

 

I’ve never seen those type of spin numbers with a Titleist head. Was this with the new head? If so I’m excited to try it!!

 

Do you have a +3.1deg angle of attack with driver? That's most of the reason why he gets that spin number.

 

It also states that JT tips his driver 1.5" which will obviously help knock some spin off the ball. My theory with why TaylorMade tips all of their driver shafts an inch from the factory is so people fall in love with the low spin they see on the launch monitors.

 

You need to watch Mark Crossfields videos on shafts and launch monitor data. I think you might be surprised. Don't be so hasty thinking shafts have that much of an effect on launch conditions compared to the human input.

[tylernim]

 

You need to watch Mark Crossfields videos on shafts and launch monitor data. I think you might be surprised. Don't be so hasty thinking shafts have that much of an effect on launch conditions compared to the human input.

 

Crossfield's videos have very little to do with a swing like JT's, and the tolerances that consistency to that level can create. Tipping a X stiff shaft 1.5" will absolutely alter launch and spin numbers when you're swinging around 120mph.

[Booker]

975D, 975J, 905T, 905R, 913D2, and 917D2... have them all. The 905R went back in the back the second I found one with the Blue shaft.

 

I will for sure get fit for the new one, and probably purchase it but it has work to do to beat the 905R and replace it in the bag. Day in and day out it's still one of the longest most forgiving drivers out there. When I show up to a fitting I bring the 905, twice the fitter has said "A 905R? That's going to be tough to beat"...

 

I think it's the perfect combination of shaft, head, swingweight, and length for me. I've never had a better fitting club.

 

I had a similar experience last week. Went to a demo day with callaway t.m. and titleist. Nothing they could put together would top my 905r with rombax z708. They were all shocked except for the titleist rep he chuckled and smurked. Nothing beats my 905r for accuracy and distance combined, i own m1 17, ltd pro, epic sub zero, 915d4. Best 40-60$ you will spend in golf imo.

[bravesgolf]

 

You need to watch Mark Crossfields videos on shafts and launch monitor data. I think you might be surprised. Don't be so hasty thinking shafts have that much of an effect on launch conditions compared to the human input.

 

Crossfield's videos have very little to do with a swing like JT's, and the tolerances that consistency to that level can create. Tipping a X stiff shaft 1.5" will absolutely alter launch and spin numbers when you're swinging around 120mph.

How? I've always questioned what they "rules about shaft performance and what tipping etc does. Correct me if I'm wrong. So a shaft will feel stiffer if it's tipped. OK. But why will a shaft launch lower if it's tipped? If a shaft has a fixed "bend point", surely tipping a shaft will bring the bend point closer to the tip of the shaft, this making it launch higher no?

 

In any case, what Crossfield is trying to say is, when you're talking about data that has human input, there is little difference or perhaps not the numbers you would expect when you add a human (i.e. quality of strike) into it. We are not robots and shaft preference is really just down to feel.

[gvogel]

You need to watch Mark Crossfields videos on shafts and launch monitor data. I think you might be surprised. Don't be so hasty thinking shafts have that much of an effect on launch conditions compared to the human input.

 

Crossfield's videos have very little to do with a swing like JT's, and the tolerances that consistency to that level can create. Tipping a X stiff shaft 1.5" will absolutely alter launch and spin numbers when you're swinging around 120mph.

How? I've always questioned what they "rules about shaft performance and what tipping etc does. Correct me if I'm wrong. So a shaft will feel stiffer if it's tipped. OK. But why will a shaft launch lower if it's tipped? If a shaft has a fixed "bend point", surely tipping a shaft will bring the bend point closer to the tip of the shaft, this making it launch higher no?

 

In any case, what Crossfield is trying to say is, when you're talking about data that has human input, there is little difference or perhaps not the numbers you would expect when you add a human (i.e. quality of strike) into it. We are not robots and shaft preference is really just down to feel.

 

There is no such thing as an actual "bend point", it is a term that is used to describe a shaft that is either softer in the tip, or firmer. When you tip a shaft, you are cutting off a part of the smaller diameter section and therefor using a larger portion of the larger diameter butt section. This has the effect of making the resulting shaft play stiffer. A stiffer shaft should launch lower.

[bravesgolf]

You need to watch Mark Crossfields videos on shafts and launch monitor data. I think you might be surprised. Don't be so hasty thinking shafts have that much of an effect on launch conditions compared to the human input.

 

Crossfield's videos have very little to do with a swing like JT's, and the tolerances that consistency to that level can create. Tipping a X stiff shaft 1.5" will absolutely alter launch and spin numbers when you're swinging around 120mph.

How? I've always questioned what they "rules about shaft performance and what tipping etc does. Correct me if I'm wrong. So a shaft will feel stiffer if it's tipped. OK. But why will a shaft launch lower if it's tipped? If a shaft has a fixed "bend point", surely tipping a shaft will bring the bend point closer to the tip of the shaft, this making it launch higher no?

 

In any case, what Crossfield is trying to say is, when you're talking about data that has human input, there is little difference or perhaps not the numbers you would expect when you add a human (i.e. quality of strike) into it. We are not robots and shaft preference is really just down to feel.

 

There is no such thing as an actual "bend point", it is a term that is used to describe a shaft that is either softer in the tip, or firmer. When you tip a shaft, you are cutting off a part of the smaller diameter section and therefor using a larger portion of the larger diameter butt section. This has the effect of making the resulting shaft play stiffer. A stiffer shaft should launch lower.

Should, but if you watch Crossfields videos (both recent and in the past) this may not be the case.

 

I know there are a lot of shafts heads out there that preach the benefits of one shaft over another and not all things apply to all people but on a whole, shafts are not the be all and end all of the golf club. It is one minor component and the feel of the shaft is the most important aspect.

 

Do a blind test with a mate. See if changing a shaft makes a difference to the numbers.

[Big Ben]

I think WRX is mega spin obsessed.

[scratchswinger]

I think WRX is mega spin obsessed.

 

This website is too spinny. I feel that I’m leaving posts on the table.

[Saskwatch]

I think WRX is mega spin obsessed.

This website is too spinny. I feel that I’m leaving posts on the table.

 

You should try out twist-keys and twist-mouse. These really help at targeting in and hitting your desired post count.

[ND2005]

As I just mentioned, I have never gotten those low spin numbers with their heads. Not to say others haven’t but I have not.

 

Shockingly, my numbers don’t look like DJs either.

 

I don’t think that’s a knock on Titleists drivers

[GMR2iron]

Love the D2, but wouldn’t be opposed to them adding a D1 head similar in profile to PING’s larger looking Driver profile. Keep the D3 obviously as well.

Bring back the D4!

[DTown3011]

I should add I haven't seen low spin numbers with any recent Titleist Head and I carry mostly all Titleist in my bag except driver fairway wood and driving iron.

 

Is 1,800 RPM's low enough for you?

 

https://blog.trackmangolf.com/justin-thomas-trackman-numbers/

 

I’ve never seen those type of spin numbers with a Titleist head. Was this with the new head? If so I’m excited to try it!!

 

Do you have a +3.1deg angle of attack with driver? That's most of the reason why he gets that spin number.

 

It also states that JT tips his driver 1.5" which will obviously help knock some spin off the ball. My theory with why TaylorMade tips all of their driver shafts an inch from the factory is so people fall in love with the low spin they see on the launch monitors.

 

You need to watch Mark Crossfields videos on shafts and launch monitor data. I think you might be surprised. Don't be so hasty thinking shafts have that much of an effect on launch conditions compared to the human input.

 

Bingo! +3.1 AOA with driver, any driver is going to be low spin in that case.

[Big Ben]

Since we haven't seen the crown I bet there's some tech going on up there.

[pdcgolf]