So will Tiger call a penalty on himself at his OWN TOURNAMENT?

[deadsolid...shank]

SICJAM?

 

Whoever “cleverly” coined that (and believe it or not it wast Fergie) said it stood for “Sure I Cheat, Just Ask Me”

[elwhippy]

Discussed in great detail in our clubhouse bar this aft. Tiger is now known as The Scrape.

[Finbarr Saunders]

Karma, the cheat just gave 3 shots back

[Naptime]

Amazing or typical that a small event if TW plays gets more posts and more threads than any of the prior months' actual tournaments.

[RainShadow]

"cause its a crappy lie and in a bush..."

 

This is the only saving grace for Tiger.

I do believe he should call the penalty on himself to protect the field.

However, hitting out of that palmetto bush probably gave the feel of multiple hits. Which was the ball and which was the bush?

Error on the side of humility for once, Tiger.

[MtlJeff]

It definitely looked like a penalty in slo-mo, but also reasonable that he might not have noticed it in real time.

 

I don't really know what to make of these slo-mo replays. Generally i am not in favor of them in golf.....though i do enjoy them in Football or Basketball. Not sure why, i guess because in golf the rules sometimes seem less clear and also sometimes involve intent

[Vindog]

Amazing or typical that a small event if TW plays gets more posts and more threads than any of the prior months' actual tournaments.

 

This one not really for the best reason. :dntknw:

[bladehunter]

Typical and tiresome.

 

The ROG were applied properly and that's it.

 

This "call a penalty on yourself crap" is just that - crap. He wasn't aware of the double hit, and watching it in real time no reasonable way for the armchair antagonists to claim he should have been aware of it and looks like he wouldn't have been from the stroke and his reactions. And it assumes there was a penalty, when there wasn't. Rule isn't violated you don't say, "hey hit me with a couple strokes."

 

Take the pitchforks elsewhere.

 

Exactly,,, a lot here just enjoy dumping on someone, and over the years I've noticed that it could be anyone. Y'all love to be negative, to have a villain to make your life complete, here at least.

A line of credit used to be a handshake, a word...

 

What's funny is some Tiger fans were dumping all over Rory page after page in the Phil vs Tiger thread, saying he was jealous and out of line with his comments about the match.

 

When the table turns and people question Tiger, they're all haters. Funny double standard.

 

That’s comparing elephants to hand grenades. Makes no sense.

 

 

Rory making asinine jabs at two old players who are indirectly responsible for his ability to have earned his wealth ...acting as if the arent relevant still etc. vs someone calling someone a cheater when he clearly is within the rules of the game is a bridge to long to build isn’t it ?

[Matt J]

Cool, I guess the "scoop" is now legal. Good to know.

 

Last year a couple friends of mine and I had a good chuckle over watching a local doc in a big net match play do exactly what Tiger did. He claimed he didn't feel it on the club face so it wasn't a double hit.

 

So, no one knows, if the gallery, FC's, or a rule's official sees it in real time, definitively says it was not a clean "stroke" then it's still not a penalty?

 

Why come clean? Scoop it, say it felt like clean contact and move on? Nothing about what he did under that bush seems within the spirit of the game and my understanding of what a legal stroke looks like. He knew it was marginal. No closer to the hole was still in jail, that's why he did it. 2 strokes and he's out of his own tourney.

[Golfer4Life]

This is an 18 player select field and no cut, enough said.

[golfandfishing]

This is an 18 player select field and no cut, enough said.

 

If you are saying the rules don’t really apply to this event because of the “importance” of it, then why do we even have rules at all? 99.99999999999999999999999999999% of all rounds are of less importance than this. Any and all rounds played at the amateur, pga section and club level are not subject to the rules?

[Golfer4Life]

This is an 18 player select field and no cut, enough said.

 

If you are saying the rules don’t really apply to this event because of the “importance” of it, then why do we even have rules at all? 99.99999999999999999999999999999% of all rounds are of less importance than this. Any and all rounds played at the amateur, pga section and club level are not subject to the rules?

 

I'm just saying it is obvious nobody in that tournament cares he double hit. This garbage would never fly at a Major or a regular tour stop.

 

I personally think he should have been penalized, but I'm not a rules official.

 

This tournament is meaningless and that's how I'm treating it.

[Finbarr Saunders]

Would you class tiger as a pathological liar or a compulsive liar

[Golfer4Life]

Would you class tiger as a pathological liar or a compulsive liar

 

I don't know him, lol....

[bladehunter]

All the double hit talk.

 

What’s the definition ? Didn’t the ball have to come off the face and then be hit again ? I’ve not seen that happen on video. Is there a length of time specified that the ball can stay on the face ? Is their an angle that clearly shows the ball on the face ? A hooded iron covering the sight of a ball doesn’t mean it’s touching.

 

Way more questions here than definitive answers.

[bladehunter]

Would you class tiger as a pathological liar or a compulsive liar

 

I don't know him, lol....

 

Excellent answer. I have to use it on myself often for Mr Parsons. I dislike him based on anecdotal evidence. I don’t know the guy. So I try ( try ) to keep my mouth shut about him. Same thing here.

[thevaporz]

I'm pretty sure you can't play a hockey pass/swipe at the ball.

[bladehunter]

I'm pretty sure you can't play a hockey pass at the ball.

 

But you can. Even a millimeter of backswing and a follow through is a stroke. He clearly takes it back a half inch or so.

[Krt22]

I'm pretty sure you can't play a hockey pass at the ball.

 

But you can. Even a millimeter of backswing and a follow through is a stroke. He clearly takes it back a half inch or so.

 

Yep, its even a taught specialty shot to get out of buried lies in bunkers

[Pleasedwith3putts]

No doubt he tried to play a stroke. The reality was something different but this is with the benefit of still frames that are excluded from the rules and as I said before I cannot say what he felt at the time.

[bladehunter]

What I see there ^ , is the ball in contact with the club for about 5 or so inches of club path.

 

Question becomes how long is too long ? I’m no physics expert. But seems like the shorter the backswing the longer it stays on the face. And if a MM backswing is legal. Then ......

[bigeasy]

Cool, I guess the "scoop" is now legal. Good to know. Last year a couple friends of mine and I had a good chuckle over watching a local doc in a big net match play do exactly what Tiger did. He claimed he didn't feel it on the club face so it wasn't a double hit. So, no one knows, if the gallery, FC's, or a rule's official sees it in real time, definitively says it was not a clean "stroke" then it's still not a penalty? Why come clean? Scoop it, say it felt like clean contact and move on? Nothing about what he did under that bush seems within the spirit of the game and my understanding of what a legal stroke looks like. He knew it was marginal. No closer to the hole was still in jail, that's why he did it. 2 strokes and he's out of his own tourney.

Yep!

[Pleasedwith3putts]

What I see there ^ , is the ball in contact with the club for about 5 or so inches of club path.

 

Question becomes how long is too long ? I'm no physics expert. But seems like the shorter the backswing the longer it stays on the face. And if a MM backswing is legal. Then ......

 

I think it might be a hair longer but I'd agree with you. FWIW the reason I suspect TW did not feel a double hit is that the sequence suggests to me it was not a double hit but the ball did not leave the club for a fair time which brings us back to your valid question about stroke vs hockey push.

[bladehunter]

What I see there ^ , is the ball in contact with the club for about 5 or so inches of club path.

 

Question becomes how long is too long ? I'm no physics expert. But seems like the shorter the backswing the longer it stays on the face. And if a MM backswing is legal. Then ......

 

I think it might be a hair longer but I'd agree with you. FWIW the reason I suspect TW did not feel a double hit is that the sequence suggests to me it was not a double hit but the ball did not leave the club for a fair time which brings us back to your valid question about stroke vs hockey push.

 

Agree 100%. Don’t understand the confirmed “ double hit “ by the refs. Every angle I’ve watched is not a double hit.

 

I believe it’s a case of the rules not being able to properly judge this situation. He made a minute backswing. He swung through the ball. That’s a stroke. The fact that the ball stayed on the face isn’t his fault. Nor against the rules. People yelling cheater are refusing to think logically.

[Hawkeye77]

Would you class tiger as a pathological liar or a compulsive liar

 

Kind of like that anti-Tiger pathological or compulsive troll dilemma?

 

Your repeated objections are noted.

[Marco]

What I see there ^ , is the ball in contact with the club for about 5 or so inches of club path.

 

Question becomes how long is too long ? I'm no physics expert. But seems like the shorter the backswing the longer it stays on the face. And if a MM backswing is legal. Then ......

 

No actually the ball leaves the club face initially, then look carefully when the toe starts to turn it hits again, but wasnt touching the clubface between the two, just really close

[Pleasedwith3putts]

What I see there ^ , is the ball in contact with the club for about 5 or so inches of club path.

 

Question becomes how long is too long ? I'm no physics expert. But seems like the shorter the backswing the longer it stays on the face. And if a MM backswing is legal. Then ......

 

No actually the ball leaves the club face initially, then look carefully when the toe starts to turn it hits again, but wasnt touching the clubface between the two, just really close

 

When I looked at the images on my 32" computer screen it sure didn't look like the ball left contact with the face. In the 4th image he just starts hooding the club which is what caused it to go off at a goofy angle about 1.5 seconds after initial contact. If it did leave the face in the sequence them I'm satisfied that it still wouldn't have felt like a double hit as the second "hit" would have been miniscule making contact with an object that is travelling in the same direction at a velocity less than 1mph slower than the clubface.

 

Of the two options I suspect it is more likely to have felt like a scoop to TW and I've no idea what the rule is on how long a ball can remain in contact, notwithstanding that it no doubt gets passed back to TW to answer whether he actually felt whatever would have constituted a breach of the rule.

[Fade]

I think the officials must have determined that there was a proper initial hit (with the ball leaving the club-face) followed by an accidental scoop, and that because the initial hit was proper the action wasn't deemed a scoop but a double hit.

[bladehunter]

What I see there ^ , is the ball in contact with the club for about 5 or so inches of club path.

 

Question becomes how long is too long ? I'm no physics expert. But seems like the shorter the backswing the longer it stays on the face. And if a MM backswing is legal. Then ......

 

No actually the ball leaves the club face initially, then look carefully when the toe starts to turn it hits again, but wasnt touching the clubface between the two, just really close

 

No real way to know , but I just don’t see it leaving the face until the obvious point later.

[gatorpedsMD]

u don't like the call:

 

 

that's ur own FING issue!