Sub 70 Clubs

[dmeeksDC]

2 hours ago, squish45 said:

My 639CB/MB combo set is (hopefully) coming in next week. A couple of the heads went OOS filling orders ahead of mine due to some holdups at customs. Bummed as I was hoping to get them out this week but anxiously awaiting. I'm moving off of an ancient set of Ping G5s that are way too offset and chunky for my liking.

I'll post pictures when they come in. 3-8 in CB and 9-PW MB with loft adjustments on pretty much all of them to try and get my gaps where I want them. It was great working with the whole team to get everything exactly how I want it.

I like the idea of mostly CBs with a few blades in the most precise spots. I really like the sharp look of these. Definitely want to hear how this set works out. Those guys over at TXG have about convinced me with their videos that I am a fit for more narrow-soled irons!

[Myherobobhope]

7 hours ago, dmeeksDC said:

I like the idea of mostly CBs with a few blades in the most precise spots. I really like the sharp look of these. Definitely want to hear how this set works out. Those guys over at TXG have about convinced me with their videos that I am a fit for more narrow-soled irons!

Yeah, I was all set on a combo set starting at 8 for the mb, but I might change my mind...

 

im also curious about the ta3 irons they will be releasing eventually... they look incredible.

[PittShark]

7 hours ago, dmeeksDC said:

I like the idea of mostly CBs with a few blades in the most precise spots. I really like the sharp look of these. Definitely want to hear how this set works out. Those guys over at TXG have about convinced me with their videos that I am a fit for more narrow-soled irons!

I think there really is something to this.  The 8-P MB's, despite being relatively large for a blade (as I've detailed in other threads), still have some of the narrowest soles I've ever played and you know what?  I think it fits me well.  I've really hit the short irons so much better than my previous couple sets (which were Srixon's and Bridgestone's).

[dmeeksDC]

32 minutes ago, PittShark said:

I think there really is something to this.  The 8-P MB's, despite being relatively large for a blade (as I've detailed in other threads), still have some of the narrowest soles I've ever played and you know what?  I think it fits me well.  I've really hit the short irons so much better than my previous couple sets (which were Srixon's and Bridgestone's).

This has been my experience as well. Different brand in this video, but check out this TXG review where they are having a midcapper (Al) test the New Level irons. Ian points out that Al’s tendency is to hang back on his irons, causing him to sometimes hit slightly fat, but in the test he hits the thin-soled MBs the most consistently. Ian analysis is that is not unusual and that it is the thinner sole helping his contact. Wide soles might help rescue a heavy shot for some via the bounce, but not always. 
 

 

[Thamel90]

Received my 699's this afternoon. Lengths look proper, and there's a sticker on each head, detailing loft, lie, and head weight. Also a spot for F.A (face angle) for woods. Lofts & lies look slightly goofed up to me. Compared to specs, the 5i is 1* weak, the 7i is 1* strong. The 9i is either 38.5* or 39.5*, so 0.5 or 1.5 strong, with the PW 1* weak. Also, the 5-7 are all lie angle 62*, and the 8-P are all 63.5*, rather than the 0.5* per club progression they should have.

[jpbova]

9 hours ago, dmeeksDC said:

This has been my experience as well. Different brand in this video, but check out this TXG review where they are having a midcapper (Al) test the New Level irons. Ian points out that Al’s tendency is to hang back on his irons, causing him to sometimes hit slightly fat, but in the test he hits the thin-soled MBs the most consistently. Ian analysis is that is not unusual and that it is the thinner sole helping his contact. Wide soles might help rescue a heavy shot for some via the bounce, but not always. 
 

 

ian touts thinner soles in many videos. He has stated the need for the shallower AoA players to play thin soles rather than the steeper players. I thought it would be the opposite. Either way I have heard him say he can choose sole width based on sound ?. Definitely a good pierce of advice to carry forward with you 

[squish45]

50 minutes ago, Thamel90 said:

Received my 699's this afternoon. Lengths look proper, and there's a sticker on each head, detailing loft, lie, and head weight. Also a spot for F.A (face angle) for woods. Lofts & lies look slightly goofed up to me. Compared to specs, the 5i is 1* weak, the 7i is 1* strong. The 9i is either 38.5* or 39.5*, so 0.5 or 1.5 strong, with the PW 1* weak. Also, the 5-7 are all lie angle 62*, and the 8-P are all 63.5*, rather than the 0.5* per club progression they should have.

How are you measuring those? I'm sure if they're actually off you can reach out and I'm sure it will be corrected.

I know they've been super busy lately so it's always possible there was a mix up.

Edited September 11, 2020 by squish45

[rondre3000]

1 hour ago, squish45 said:

How are you measuring those? I'm sure if they're actually off you can reach out and I'm sure it will be corrected.

I know they've been super busy lately so it's always possible there was a mix up.

There is a sticker/label on each clubhead w/ the specs. Kinda surprised they shipped w/ those lie angles to be honest. I'm sure phone call will get this resolved for you @Thamel90

 

 

[BballMike14]

Posted in the Tour/pre-release thread for the 699u pro also...

 

I bookended my M2 Tour iron set with some sub 70s! I had some fun discussions with Jason to settle on specs - main goal was to get a low-launching driving iron, and then I figured I would try a 9 iron based on my success switching from set PW to a vokey this season.

 

Driving iron:

699u pro 2i bent 1.5 deg strong 

HZRDUS smoke 90 6.5

Lamkin crossline 

 

9 iron (specs an exact match to my current M2 tour):

639mb 40 degrees

Project X black 7.0

Lamkin crossline

 

I'll add details about the performance after I've hit them!

 

I should add that it has been a great customer experience and I look forward to hearing more positive stories from people who do give these guys a try!

[dmeeksDC]

^^^^Those look great. The pro utility does not at all look huge at address. 
 

The MB blade size looks just right to me. Not so small as to be intimidating. Mostly would like to hear how the soles are on real turf. 

[Thamel90]

Played a round with these yesterday. Off the tee on par 3's, they performed admirably. Off the ground, not so much. I put that mostly on myself since I was crap with my wedges as well. The 699s look great at address, just slightly smaller than my previous iron set

Edited September 13, 2020 by Thamel90

[dmeeksDC]

Ordered a pro fairway 4 wood (Riptide 70) and a 639X 4 hybrid (Riptide 85) as my first foray into Sub 70 clubs, filling some needs in the bag. 

[ShankAaron]

2 hours ago, dmeeksDC said:

Ordered a pro fairway 4 wood (Riptide 70) and a 639X 4 hybrid (Riptide 85) as my first foray into Sub 70 clubs, filling some needs in the bag. 

 

I'm currently in the process of feeling out the 939X hybrid. So far its been a seriously solid performer after 2 rounds, and a 3rd round coming this afternoon. I'm very impressed with it. I wrote a review of it with course data on here from my first round with it. I'll be updating it later tonight. Hopefully you get the same results I have so far. Post up your experience after you've gamed it.

[Myherobobhope]

5 hours ago, dmeeksDC said:

Ordered a pro fairway 4 wood (Riptide 70) and a 639X 4 hybrid (Riptide 85) as my first foray into Sub 70 clubs, filling some needs in the bag. 

Nice! look forward to hearing about them. My hybrid is at the bottom of my priority list, but I'll definitely go Sub70 when the time comes.

[Thamel90]

Does anybody know the specs of the "made for" Project X Hybrid shaft? I got the 6.0 in my 939X 3H without thinking. I should have probably gotten an upgrade

[dmeeksDC]

27 minutes ago, Thamel90 said:

Does anybody know the specs of the "made for" Project X Hybrid shaft? I got the 6.0 in my 939X 3H without thinking. I should have probably gotten an upgrade

They have a ‘view shaft specs’ button on the site. I bet this shaft is pretty good. I thought about it. It’s a 75 gram, 3.8 torque shaft. So Project X stability with a little feel via mid-torque. These pairings often make sense. You should try it out and tell us what it’s like. Might love it. If you hate it I am sure they’d reshaft to make you happy. It’s that kind of vibe at Sub 70. 

[rondre3000]

Got my 699 Pro demo's in hand on Friday and played an early Sat morning 9 the following day. As far as dimensions, slightly longer heel-to-toe than JPX919 HMP's. The black heads do a good job of making the club heads look smaller though. If I didn't have the 699 Pro in satin as well, I'd swear the Sub70 soles were thinner than the HMP's. There is more bounce on the Sub70's vs the HMP's as well.

 

On the course, the performance was pretty much what I expected. Easy launch, although not quite as towering as the regular 699's w/ the graphite shaft I demo'd previously. I was not disappointed at all. Would like to get a few more rounds under my belt before commenting on forgiveness and such. I'll say this again though...if I didn't already have a set of clubs I really enjoyed, I'd be ordering these in a heartbeat!

 

 

 

-Ron.

[st8kdinr]

I got to finally play a round with the LH 699 irons this weekend and I'm definitely impressed.  I was fortunate enough to hit most from the fairway and loved the flight and feel on these.  The couple of shots from the rough came out nice with minimal effort.  I hit a number of 9 and PW and distance consistency was just what I want.  I'll definitely be waiting for more LH options that hopefully come out especially in the wedges and hybrids.  I wish I could say something I didn't like about them, but can't really come up with anything.  I feel I grew accustomed to their look behind the ball easily.  If you're debating on them, I say go for it.  

[dearth12]

On 9/11/2020 at 9:16 PM, BballMike14 said:

Posted in the Tour/pre-release thread for the 699u pro also...

 

I bookended my M2 Tour iron set with some sub 70s! I had some fun discussions with Jason to settle on specs - main goal was to get a low-launching driving iron, and then I figured I would try a 9 iron based on my success switching from set PW to a vokey this season.

 

Driving iron:

699u pro 2i bent 1.5 deg strong 

HZRDUS smoke 90 6.5

Lamkin crossline 

 

9 iron (specs an exact match to my current M2 tour):

639mb 40 degrees

Project X black 7.0

Lamkin crossline

 

I'll add details about the performance after I've hit them!

 

I should add that it has been a great customer experience and I look forward to hearing more positive stories from people who do give these guys a try!

Can you let me know what the head weight was on your 699U Pro?

 

I just got mine with the same shaft as you and the head weight was 226 grams.  It feels awfully light to me.

 

 

Thank you

[driveandputtmachine]

59 minutes ago, dearth12 said:

Can you let me know what the head weight was on your 699U Pro?

 

I just got mine with the same shaft as you and the head weight was 226 grams.  It feels awfully light to me.

 

 

Thank you

The website says for the pro utilities......

Specifications

Head Number	2	3	4
Loft	17	19.5	22
Lie	60	60.5	61
Offset(mm)	4	3.75	3.5
Weight	235	242	249
Standard Length Steel	39.5	39	38.5
Standard Length Graphite	40	39.5	39
Face Material	455 Carpenter Steel 1.7mm
Body Material	431 Stainless Steel

 

226 is around where I expect a 2 iron hybrid to check in weight wise, obviously, you have one on the lighter side of the spectrum.  Did you specify anything when you ordered?  Head weight or swing weight or length?

[BballMike14]

2 hours ago, dearth12 said:

Can you let me know what the head weight was on your 699U Pro?

 

I just got mine with the same shaft as you and the head weight was 226 grams.  It feels awfully light to me.

 

 

Thank you

Mine was 233.6 - I am hitting it tonight and will provide feedback in terms of feel/total club weight.

[BballMike14]

OK! Some initial thoughts after range time (unfortunately, no launch monitor for real data, so please take with a grain of salt...)

 

639mb 9i:

-felt great when centered (happened more often than I was expecting, to be honest)

-seemed to launch higher than my M2 Tour

-very consistent distance when struck well, responded well to taking a bit off also

-hard to say how much I lost on heely shots

-I chipped a bit with it too and it did get the ball rolling nicely 

-I don't think the beautiful black finish will last long if I go to the range often!!

-feels like it fits right in between my 8i and PW distance-wise - I'll know more when I play my ball at my course (Wednesday!!)

-it sure helped getting the club built to my exact 9-iron specs to drop right in

 

699u pro 2i

-weight feels lighter than my 4i, but doesn't stand out as too light (for me at least)

-very large face, but looks reasonable at the ball

-this thing gets down range fast! No ballooning, just shoots and drops and rolls

-again, with no launch monitor, hard to say for sure, but I compared against my Cobra LTD 5 wood and would say carry was close (edge would go to the LTD) but roll out was crazy with the 2i

-launched lower, and seemed like a perfect trajectory for the wind

-I found the toe side to be more forgiving distance and line-wise than the heel

-misses were far less catastrophic than my 5 wood

-I found when I over-swung, launch went up and the ball went left, but a nice easy swing got the stinger-type shot I was hoping for without the stinger-type swing that I have not mastered.

 

Can't wait to try these out on Wednesday. I'll add on-course thoughts after that!

[Clifford]

No demos to Canada!

Extra shipping to Canada. No Sub70 699 pros for me

[BballMike14]

9 hours ago, Clifford said:

No demos to Canada!

Extra shipping to Canada. No Sub70 699 pros for me

Yes, I had to eat some shipping costs and then brokerage fees....won't be the last time, I'm sure!

[ode]

9 hours ago, Clifford said:

No demos to Canada!

Extra shipping to Canada. No Sub70 699 pros for me

I know it's not feasible for some, but lots of Canucks with a PO in the US.....maybe you or one of the others north of the border could arrange for a demo with sub70, that gets passed along amongst several members.  Ya never know.

[Myherobobhope]

34 minutes ago, ode said:

I know it's not feasible for some, but lots of Canucks with a PO in the US.....maybe you or one of the others north of the border could arrange for a demo with sub70, that gets passed along amongst several members.  Ya never know.

Just some casual golf club smuggling! 

 

I was unaware Candadians would have US PO boxes, that's pretty funny. I guess if you live close to the border and cross over anyways, why not have a US address?

[dearth12]

20 hours ago, driveandputtmachine said:

The website says for the pro utilities......

Specifications

Head Number	2	3	4
Loft	17	19.5	22
Lie	60	60.5	61
Offset(mm)	4	3.75	3.5
Weight	235	242	249
Standard Length Steel	39.5	39	38.5
Standard Length Graphite	40	39.5	39
Face Material	455 Carpenter Steel 1.7mm
Body Material	431 Stainless Steel

 

226 is around where I expect a 2 iron hybrid to check in weight wise, obviously, you have one on the lighter side of the spectrum.  Did you specify anything when you ordered?  Head weight or swing weight or length?

 

I did not specify anything as the weight on the chart you showed sounded good to me and I ordered at standard length.

[pdxhak]

With all the good reviews for the 699 Pros I ordered the 6i/9i demo clubs. I currently play clubs with traditional lofts (7i 35*) and the 699 Pros are 4* stronger through most of the set. Looking forwarding to seeing how they play. 

[squish45]

Just now, pdxhak said:

With all the good reviews for the 699 Pros I ordered the 6i/9i demo clubs. I currently play clubs with traditional lofts (7i 35*) and the 699 Pros are 4* stronger through most of the set. Looking forwarding to seeing how they play. 

If you end up liking how they feel, they do have flexibility on the lofts (2-3* I believe). Ultimately you can end up with the same lofts as your current set but the stick might have a different number on it by adding a gap on the low end.

[VA_Astra]

I received my combos, just finished shafting up tonight.

 

They look great! Comparing visuals next to  my Mav Pro's and my Gen 1 0311/0311T's.

 

Very clean looking, nothing flashy, sole not chunky at all.

 

Pro's look very similar profile to the Mav Pro's but with a higher toe (more pingish looking). Looks same heal to toe. That stretches into the 4 iron. Similar size heel to toe as the 0311, with a smaller sole and maybe a touch more offset. They neck down quite a bit towards the hosel almost like an old Ping Eye 2 iron.

 

Will take to the course tomorrow to hit a few, will grab some comparison pics and post up thoughts.