Robert Garrigus

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[Krt22]

It does though, when the rule itself revolves around an antiquated government policy. The fact that THC is classified as a class 1 narcotic and alcohol isn't classified as a controlled substance at all is laughable.

[Steele47]

Getting back to Garrigus. Dude should have had some clean urine packed away in his staff bag. Friggin amateur hour!

[MilkyButterCuts]

The real issue is the US Gov has been putting the discussion off for almost a decade now. Every time elections come around candidates commit to opening the subject for examination and it never gets addressed. I strongly disagree with the PGA tours policy and decision, however it's a much bigger problem with a much larger scope than just the tour.

 

For god sakes sports gambling was just legalized and we're still sitting here with Marijuana in the grey area that sports gambling was in for so long.

[lumberman2462]

I wonder if any PGA Tour Players have asked for a therapeutic use exemption for weed??? Seriously, they are prescribing it for everything in California and Colorado....Some players live there.

 

 

[cardoustie]

I wonder if a player would move States to allow a Rx for medical marijuana

I can see it happening if it's a big part of their success mentally and part of an established routine

[tiderider]

> @cardoustie said:

> I wonder if a player would move States to allow a Rx for medical marijuana

> I can see it happening if it's a big part of their success mentally and part of an established routine

 

still wouldn't matter, would it? ... pgatour makes their rules and enforces them, regardless of other states' rules ...

[bladehunter]

> @Ferguson said:

> You know who gets hurt with illegal and dirty drug use? The family.

>

> My thoughts go out to The Garriguseseses.

 

Yes sir.

 

Having been around it my whole life I can say this with complet certainty. Nobody has ever gained brain cells , imparted any more knowledge , worked harder , been better to be around ( for other sober folks ) or set a good example being high.

 

Ever come into the kitchen and see your dad drying some bud in the stove and want to make a grilled cheese ? Pretty pathetic sight morw so because it was for income to buy meth worse. College age boys ( yes boys ). Sure. After that. Grow the f*** up man. This picture of the happy pot head who doesn’t bother anyone is absolutely false.

 

All that being said. I’m clearly biased to the extreme. And I know that. But you can’t unsee what you see and you can’t unhear what you heard.

 

 

[Birdie Mac]

> @Ferguson said:

> Re: LOL Steele. I'm not an indulger, mainly due to business, but also **due to choice**. I don't think they're offended so much as trying to educate **those who are poorly informed or to defend their choice.** As some have pointed out in this thread, it's highly (pun intended) hypocritical to criticize someone's 'drug' of choice while you're indulging on your own (tobacco, alcohol, opioids, etc)

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> Due to a choice he made to smoke drugs, Garrigus was penalized accordingly (due to rules).

> And Garrigus, a pot smoker, was clearly informed but apparently unable "to defend his choice" (due to rules).

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> Being informed (and following the general rules of society) is precisely what keeps sensible people from smoking drugs and getting into trouble.

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No argument that Garrigus broke the rules, and he admitted as much and accepted the penalty. But sometimes the rules are either outdated or just wrong. Society is coming to realize the facts about marijuana as they were previously presented were incorrect. And otherwise sensible people make questionable choices - overeating, smoking tobacco, drinking too much, staying in bad relationships. None of these are illegal, but can get you into trouble.

 

 

[3jacker]

I don't think more or less of him because he smoked pot.

But rules are rules, man. Has nothing to do with illegality. Change up the Tour policy board if you disagree, but don't complain if you get caught and then punished (not saying that he did).

I do think he oversold the apology though.

[bodhi555]

Wow. There's a whole lot of people on this thread who haven't realised yet that Reefer Madness was a load of old nonsense.

 

Yes Garrigus broke the rules, but in this case, the rules are an a** and should be changed, considering the legality of pot is only going one way.

[marmooskapaul]

 

 

> @cardoustie said:

> I wonder if a player would move States to allow a Rx for medical marijuana

> I can see it happening if it's a big part of their success mentally and part of an established routine

 

Not positive but you can be prescribed beta blockers for high blood pressure, but still can’t take them on tour. You might be able to get an exemption...not sure

 

 

[3jacker]

> @bodhi555 said:

> Wow. There's a whole lot of people on this thread who haven't realised yet that Reefer Madness was a load of old nonsense.

>

> Yes Garrigus broke the rules, but in this case, the rules are an **** and should be changed, considering the legality of pot is only going one way.

 

The rules should be changed before you do something. It's not about legality.

It's legal to ride golf carts. It's wear short pants. I think this punishment is not that big of a deal. Heck, it's probably _saving _him money lol.

[Hawkeye77]

> @Ferguson said:

> I hope the USGA puts out some warnings over this.

>

So it was Garrigus blowing off all those meetings, not JT!

 

[Lakeeffectgolf]

I heard a agent for some NHL players once tell me they don't test for weed in the NHL. He said they would have a hard time putting players on the ice if they did. Main reason he said NHL players use it is for Natural pain relief. I can absolutely see where it would benefit golfers on tour.

 

Someday the stigma will be gone on this. Too many people make a big thing about it. And now that its becoming legal in more states they down side is that it's going to influenced and taxed by the government. You can't have a weed that has been on this planet for millions of years without the government getting involved........ What a country.

[bladehunter]

> @bodhi555 said:

> Wow. There's a whole lot of people on this thread who haven't realised yet that Reefer Madness was a load of old nonsense.

>

> Yes Garrigus broke the rules, but in this case, the rules are an **** and should be changed, considering the legality of pot is only going one way.

 

Let’s keep in mind it’s only becoming legal because society has broken down to the point that it’s morally ok to collect tax money from it.

 

Reefer madness of course was indeed a rediculous attempt at scaring people. But the root was a just message. Short of the folks who indeed can benefit from pain relief and the other known uses it has , it’s not a thing that’s positive for society as a whole. Being addled is what I mean. Be it drink or drugs.

 

 

[DLiver]

> @caniac6 said:

> mabye he can get an endorsement deal from Cheetos or Zig Zag.

 

I was thinking Little Debbie's Snack Cakes...

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @bodhi555 said:

> > Wow. There's a whole lot of people on this thread who haven't realised yet that Reefer Madness was a load of old nonsense.

> >

> > Yes Garrigus broke the rules, but in this case, the rules are an **** and should be changed, considering the legality of pot is only going one way.

>

> Let’s keep in mind it’s only becoming legal because society has broken down to the point that it’s morally ok to collect tax money from it.

>

> Reefer madness of course was indeed a rediculous attempt at scaring people. But the root was a just message. Short of the folks who indeed can benefit from pain relief and the other known uses it has , it’s not a thing that’s positive for society as a whole. Being addled is what I mean. Be it drink or drugs.

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>

 

Nonsense it has little to do with the breakdown of society. It's about coming to our collective sense and discounting the overblown myths from the past and crap biased science. Anyone that drinks alcohol yet is critical of weed has no idea what their talking about and represents the height of hypocrisy.

[bladehunter]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > Wow. There's a whole lot of people on this thread who haven't realised yet that Reefer Madness was a load of old nonsense.

> > >

> > > Yes Garrigus broke the rules, but in this case, the rules are an **** and should be changed, considering the legality of pot is only going one way.

> >

> > Let’s keep in mind it’s only becoming legal because society has broken down to the point that it’s morally ok to collect tax money from it.

> >

> > Reefer madness of course was indeed a rediculous attempt at scaring people. But the root was a just message. Short of the folks who indeed can benefit from pain relief and the other known uses it has , it’s not a thing that’s positive for society as a whole. Being addled is what I mean. Be it drink or drugs.

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> >

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> Nonsense it has little to do with the breakdown of society. It's about coming to our collective sense and discounting the overblown myths from the past and **** biased science. Anyone that drinks alcohol yet is critical of weed has no idea what their talking about and represents the height of hypocrisy.

 

Re read my last line. I said drink and drugs

 

 

If it’s not a change in society then why wasn’t it legalized sooner ?

 

Of course it is.

 

And ask yourself why it wasn’t just decriminalized ( which I’m in favor of by the way ) ? $ is the answer to that. You can grow your own start to finish. No need for regulation it’s not a concoction that can be tainted in its simplest form. Where the answer is money you can bet the rest equals corruption and greed. Thus my comment.

 

 

[caniac6]

> @marmooskapaul said:

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> > @cardoustie said:

> > I wonder if a player would move States to allow a Rx for medical marijuana

> > I can see it happening if it's a big part of their success mentally and part of an established routine

>

> Not positive but you can be prescribed beta blockers for high blood pressure, but still can’t take them on tour. You might be able to get an exemption...not sure

>

>

 

I had a heart attack in October( all is good, and I'm back walking the course), and I have to take three beta blockers a day. I wouldn't be suprised if Compton doesn't have to take them. Prior to my heart attack, I was taking a non beta blocker blood pressure pill. It was controlling my BP fine. I would think that, unless there are other cardiac issues, regular BP medication would work.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > Wow. There's a whole lot of people on this thread who haven't realised yet that Reefer Madness was a load of old nonsense.

> > > >

> > > > Yes Garrigus broke the rules, but in this case, the rules are an **** and should be changed, considering the legality of pot is only going one way.

> > >

> > > Let’s keep in mind it’s only becoming legal because society has broken down to the point that it’s morally ok to collect tax money from it.

> > >

> > > Reefer madness of course was indeed a rediculous attempt at scaring people. But the root was a just message. Short of the folks who indeed can benefit from pain relief and the other known uses it has , it’s not a thing that’s positive for society as a whole. Being addled is what I mean. Be it drink or drugs.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Nonsense it has little to do with the breakdown of society. It's about coming to our collective sense and discounting the overblown myths from the past and **** biased science. Anyone that drinks alcohol yet is critical of weed has no idea what their talking about and represents the height of hypocrisy.

>

> Re read my last line. I said drink and drugs

>

>

 

Did the end of prohibition mark a breakdown in society?

[bladehunter]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > > Wow. There's a whole lot of people on this thread who haven't realised yet that Reefer Madness was a load of old nonsense.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes Garrigus broke the rules, but in this case, the rules are an **** and should be changed, considering the legality of pot is only going one way.

> > > >

> > > > Let’s keep in mind it’s only becoming legal because society has broken down to the point that it’s morally ok to collect tax money from it.

> > > >

> > > > Reefer madness of course was indeed a rediculous attempt at scaring people. But the root was a just message. Short of the folks who indeed can benefit from pain relief and the other known uses it has , it’s not a thing that’s positive for society as a whole. Being addled is what I mean. Be it drink or drugs.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Nonsense it has little to do with the breakdown of society. It's about coming to our collective sense and discounting the overblown myths from the past and **** biased science. Anyone that drinks alcohol yet is critical of weed has no idea what their talking about and represents the height of hypocrisy.

> >

> > Re read my last line. I said drink and drugs

> >

> >

>

> Did the end of prohibition mark a breakdown in society?

 

 

I just don’t see them as the same in terms of prohibition. One has never in modern times been legal. The other was only illegal a short time due to people who couldn’t think of the poisonous consequences.

 

One if illegal sprouts home made product that killed thousands . The other if decriminalized would Not poison anyone in base form.

 

Like I said. I’m in favor of decriminalizing possession up to a fairly large amount. As long as it wasn’t commercially available and was illegal to sell. In other words if you want to use it , grow your own . That would cut out a lot of lazy folks and becomes a non issue.

 

All my views of course. Based on people just like the subject player here who admittedly have a problem and have had problems with dependency and behavior changes in the past . It’s not a thing that people do and see no changes in themselves.

 

[bladehunter]

To further try to clarify my thoughts on the prohibition subject. I think my biggest issue with the legalizing is that a lot of users want it to be destigmatized too. As in they don’t want it to be like alcohol. They want protection from employers etc. I don’t think that’s reasonable or healthy. It should be just like alcohol in the way it’s illegal to drive over a limit , should count towards child neglect / endangerment etc if abused ( just like alcohol) ... and so on.

 

It this “ it’s pot an it’s not a big deal “ attitude that has a ton of folks on the fence just like me. How else can you have a guy like me feel that it’s wrong to lock a person up for possession and yet not want to see a kid have to live in a dope house or be driven around by an addled parent. No matter how functional they are. To me legalizing it on a commercial level raises the number of addled people walking and driving around. How is this a good thing ?

 

And back to the point of this thread. Legalization should have no bearing on whether or not the tour tests and punishes for it. The “ it’s legal it’s ok and you can like it or lump it “ attitude is what is holding it up all over.

[Railroading13]

There sure are a lot of posters in this thread throwing stones from their glass houses

[bladehunter]

> @Railroading13 said:

> There sure are a lot of posters in this thread throwing stones from their glass houses

 

Lol. How so?

 

Not sure I see that at all. Comparing drug use to other hobbies isn’t exactly intellectually honest.

 

 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > Wow. There's a whole lot of people on this thread who haven't realised yet that Reefer Madness was a load of old nonsense.

> > > >

> > > > Yes Garrigus broke the rules, but in this case, the rules are an **** and should be changed, considering the legality of pot is only going one way.

> > >

> > > Let’s keep in mind it’s only becoming legal because society has broken down to the point that it’s morally ok to collect tax money from it.

> > >

> > > Reefer madness of course was indeed a rediculous attempt at scaring people. But the root was a just message. Short of the folks who indeed can benefit from pain relief and the other known uses it has , it’s not a thing that’s positive for society as a whole. Being addled is what I mean. Be it drink or drugs.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Nonsense it has little to do with the breakdown of society. It's about coming to our collective sense and discounting the overblown myths from the past and **** biased science. Anyone that drinks alcohol yet is critical of weed has no idea what their talking about and represents the height of hypocrisy.

>

> Re read my last line. I said drink and drugs

>

>

 

Did the end of prohibition mark a breakdown in society? > @bladehunter said:

> To further try to clarify my thoughts on the prohibition subject. I think my biggest issue with the legalizing is that a lot of users want it to be destigmatized too. As in they don’t want it to be like alcohol. They want protection from employers etc. I don’t think that’s reasonable or healthy. It should be just like alcohol in the way it’s illegal to drive over a limit , should count towards child neglect / endangerment etc if abused ( just like alcohol) ... and so on.

>

> It this “ it’s pot an it’s not a big deal “ attitude that has a ton of folks on the fence just like me. How else can you have a guy like me feel that it’s wrong to lock a person up for possession and yet not want to see a kid have to live in a dope house or be driven around by an addled parent. No matter how functional they are. To me legalizing it on a commercial level raises the number of addled people walking and driving around. How is this a good thing ?

>

> And back to the point of this thread. Legalization should have no bearing on whether or not the tour tests and punishes for it. The “ it’s legal it’s ok and you can like it or lump it “ attitude is what is holding it up all over.

 

I still think there is a misconception in that someone that uses weed must walk around high all the time. That just isn't so. Sure there are some but most I would guess are casual users and instead of having a drink after work might have a little weed.

[bladehunter]

Likely true too black diamond. But I’m not the only one who has had this experience first hand. Every single smoker I know has a daily routine that’s wrapped around getting high. To be fair most drunks are the same way for sure.

 

Difference seems to be that I know many people who drink socially that don’t drink daily or even weekly. I don’t know a single pot smoker who is a 2-10 times a year user ( Christmas parties , weddings , sporting events ,etc like alcohol ).

[bladehunter]

Question I don’t know the answer to.

 

This hemp oil etc for pain. Is it as effective for pain etc as actual high producing pot ?

 

It’s becoming huge apparently , my dog groomer is selling it for dogs with personality disorders etc. lol. Swear to god. Just wondered if it was same same minus the high ?

[airjammer]

I’ve always went by the motto don’t try something that if you like it you can’t legally or health wise continue. It has always worked out for me. Any type of substance put in your body can cause harm given the right amount of it. I wouldn’t really care about weed except it harms young brains and people can’t be trusted not to smoke around kids. I feel the same towards alcohol, opioids or anything that does more harm than good.

 

Robert has made a good living on the tour. He needs to get help if he wants to continue to do so..if he doesn’t well he can move to a legal state be happy.

[bodhi555]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @bodhi555 said:

> > Wow. There's a whole lot of people on this thread who haven't realised yet that Reefer Madness was a load of old nonsense.

> >

> > Yes Garrigus broke the rules, but in this case, the rules are an **** and should be changed, considering the legality of pot is only going one way.

>

> Let’s keep in mind it’s only becoming legal because society has broken down to the point that it’s morally ok to collect tax money from it.

>

> Reefer madness of course was indeed a rediculous attempt at scaring people. But the root was a just message. Short of the folks who indeed can benefit from pain relief and the other known uses it has , it’s not a thing that’s positive for society as a whole. Being addled is what I mean. Be it drink or drugs.

>

>

 

Not entirely sure where you are based, but I'm currently in the UK where Accident and Emergency departments around the country are jammed full of drunks and the victims of drunks, costing our country an absolute fortune in the clean up process. I'm pretty sure if we were to legalise pot the carnage on a Saturday night would be massively reduced, unless there was only one packet of Monster Munch left in the all night garage.

 

However the other massive benefit of legalising it isn't greed to make tax money out of it (although I'm sure HMRC would gladly take the extra money) but taking the supply out of the hands of criminal gangs who will sell you all sorts of rubbish - in California, all weed you buy has to be marked for THC content so you know exactly what you are getting, whereas in the UK you could be buying anything sprayed with God knows what if you don't know the supplier.

 

Full disclosure here - I've been a pretty heavy toker for about 15 years now, yet in that time I've managed to get myself a degree from an excellent university (one that had a famous golf course nearby), got myself a pretty respectable job, got married (twice to the same woman - long story) and made some pretty good friends along the way. In fact I'd say it's gone a pretty long way to undoing the damage alcohol did before then. My day isn't built around weed in the slightest, I will just relax of an evening with a toke or two, get a good night's sleep and wake up the next day ready to go to work. The only negative I can think of is its legal status, but otherwise, I see no issues.

 

My love of a toke round the golf course would probably disqualify me from the PGA Tour though :smiley: