What up with Jordan?

[Titleist_PT23]

> @bladehunter said:

> Let’s remember that this thread sparked back up because I said “ this is going to be fun when this slump is over “.

>

> Only reason to be triggered by that comment ( not meaning you directly ) is if you truly believe he’s done. Or wish it to be so. Otherwise you’d agree that it will be fun when the slump is over. Yes ?

Yeah, it will be good when he wins again. It may be this weekend.

 

Like I've said, I'm fairly neutral on each of these two guys (Rory, Spieth). But I would like to see someone push the record books over the next few years (not necessarily Tiger 2.0) vs. the revolving door of guys playing great for 12 months. Anyone would be great but either of these two would move the needle the most.

 

[WidespreadPanic]

I want Spieth to win the Masters for 3 reasons.

1. I picked him in a pool.

2. Watching him successfully plot his way around Augusta is awesome.

3. So these threads can stop.

[rattlergolfer]

> @WidespreadPanic said:

> I want Spieth to win the Masters for 3 reasons.

> 1. I picked him in a pool.

> 2. Watching him successfully plot his way around Augusta is awesome.

> 3. So these threads can stop.

 

He ain't gonna win.

[bladehunter]

> @rattlergolfer said:

> > @WidespreadPanic said:

> > I want Spieth to win the Masters for 3 reasons.

> > 1. I picked him in a pool.

> > 2. Watching him successfully plot his way around Augusta is awesome.

> > 3. So these threads can stop.

>

> He ain't gonna win.

 

“ oh magic 8 ball ..... telll me who will win “.......

 

Duly noted and filed away.

[straightshot7]

I'm glad to find out that Martin Kaymer is just in a slump. I thought he was having actual problems with his golf game.

[Shilgy]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @Shilgy said:

> > Funny thing is I haven't said he's done. But the replies to my posts seemed to think so. I said simply that we don't know what will happen. His past success means very little at the moment because his game is, relatively to his prior play, a mess.

> > Another good example, and recent, is Yani Tseng ok the LPGA. Unbelievably she is getting close to losing her card if she doesn't turn it around. Just a few years ago she was THE superstar in women's golf. 109 weeks at #1...5 majors by the age is 22... Zero wins since 2012. She was considered to be in a slump. And she still is.

> >

> > I hope Spieth, and Tseng for that matter, can turn it around. The longer it goes the harder it gets.

>

> Lol. Of course. That’s the easy road to take

>

> The “ i don’t know what will happen. But this is the new normal “ ( implying he’s done).

>

> Sure. Nobody knows anything. That’s a fact. But if you base it on past performance from his competitive careers start you have to deduce that he has a better chance than not to return to championship winning ways . His career didn’t start in 2015. It goes back to US junior am multiple wins. You can’t cherry pick data like you’re doing.and then say “ nobody knows “. Lol

>

> On that note I’ll agree completely. He could announce retirement after Augusta. Open an ostrich ranch and raise 25 kids . It could happen. But we have nothing to go on to say it will except the fact at hat he’s married now and is from Texas.

 

Lol, maybe that's why I said replies to my posts seem to think I said he was done.

 

Where did I say this is the new normal?

[Shilgy]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @agolf1 said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > But I’d argue that Rory is the only one there in the same conversation. And he’s certainly on the uptick. Can’t get my head wrapped around why Rory gets a pass and Jordan doesn’t? And yes I know Rory didn’t get a full pass , but I don’t think anyone exclaimed that his major wins were “ luck “ and that his “ new normal “ was missing greens with wedges and 3 putting 8 times a round.

> >

> > Fair enough. I don't know what the commentary was like on Rory in 2017. Clearly, there's still a lot of people that don't like him / think he sucks (as there are with Spieth).

> >

> > I don't recall the details close enough to know if Rory's season was worse in 2017 vs. Spieth's 2018. They both ended up around the same spot on the money list, although McIlroy played less tournaments. Top 10s were similar but Rory had no Top 3s (Spieth 3). If I had to guess, the best chance for either to win was Spieth at the 2018 Open.

> >

> > I think none of these guys majors were flukes. They each completely blew one (2011 Masters, 2016 Masters), have a win(s) that could have gone either way (2014 PGA, 2015 US Open, 2017 Open) but they got it done, and could have another had things gone slightly differently. It remains to be seen if their 4 year and 3 year stretches were an outlier in what will be their final records (i.e. maybe some good fortune but not lucky in the sense of a lottery).

> >

> > It will be interesting whether they can pass Phil on the all-time greats list and how they are viewed should each/either of them pickup the Career Slam but relatively speaking not a ton else.

> >

> >

>

> Perfectly reasonable take. I’m not at all arguing against anyone who says he’s in a deep hole. Or a darkish place.

>

> Let’s remember that this thread sparked back up because I said “ this is going to be fun when this slump is over “.

>

> Only reason to be triggered by that comment ( not meaning you directly ) is if you truly believe he’s done. Or wish it to be so. Otherwise you’d agree that it will be fun when the slump is over. Yes ?

 

Lol, c'mon man. That's all I have said... That he is in a bad place.... And you respond as if I said he's done and never had it.

 

Like I said earlier.... He is below average in every strokes gained category except putting. And he's barely above average there. Perhaps he can pull himself out of whatever this is that he is in.

[Shilgy]

> @lowheel said:

> > @Shilgy said:

> > > @lowheel said:

> > > > @straightshot7 said:

> > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > @straightshot7 said:

> > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

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> > > > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > > > @MilkyButterCuts said:

> > > > > > > > > > he's got to be _one of_ the most likable guys to ever come on tour.

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> > > > > > > > > Going to be fun when the slump is over.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We're approaching 2 years without a win (last win 7/23/17).

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> > > > > > > > This year he appears to be regressing: T55, CUT, CUT, T35, T45, T51, T54, CUT, T24

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> > > > > > > > How much time has to pass before it's considered worse than just a slump? Asking for a friend.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No real need for a rundown of the slump. We’re all well aware of its details.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The answer will come. All in due time.

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> > > > > > I wasn't aware of his poor performance this year until I looked it up...I would have thought he had at least one top 20.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Either way, I don't think it's accurate to call it a slump. A slump implies nothing is wrong. A slump is when a good MLB hitter goes 10 games without a hit but we all know they will turn it around and they do.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jordan not winning in almost 2 years is just him not being good enough to win. There's a definite cause to it and it's evident in all of his stats. I believe he will turn it around and win again but it's not really fair to diminish it when we bash other players for not winning for long periods of time.

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> > > > > Yep. Dominant players of every sport since say age 14 routinely forget how to play and realize they were just never really good enough and all their USga am titles , ncaa champs , 3 majors , masters birdie record , tie masters low score record , and on and on. Yep. All flukes. Time to go sleep it off. Loll

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> > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > > > > > This conversation could have been about Arnie, Watson, Seve and, maybe, Tiger. Granted it's about Spieth at a younger age but it does happen. The players mentioned won their last major in their early 30's and no one would have believed it at the time.

> > > > > > > > Ralph Guldahl was YJS before Spieth was a twinkle in Grandpa's eye. At the age of 29 he had 16 wins and 3 majors including back to back US Opens.

> > > > > > > > Guess what his career totals are...16&3. So it does happen.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sure. Never said it didn’t. What I said was talent doesn’t just leave. “Want to “ maybe ( see Rory ). But also see Rory it can be rekindled.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This idea of “ this isn’t a slump he’s just never been good enough “ is pure lunacy of you look at the resume.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Luckily I'm not a lunatic as I've never said he never was good enough. But he has lost "it". That confidence needed to hit the shot at the big moment.

> > > > > > Will he get it back?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Who knows is the only correct answer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sure. So we agree. He’s in a slump. Lol. I’m not sure why anyone would disagree with that idea. It’s simply a term to describe someone who is down who was once up. That’s all.

> > > > >

> > > > > I

> > > >

> > > > So you would say that Luke Donald, Lee Westwood, and Hunter Mahan are in slumps?

> > > >

> > > > You're using the word "slump" as an excuse, to dismiss Jordan's issues, without having to address why he isn't playing well. A "slump" doesn't explain why your scoring average goes up 2 strokes.

> > > >

> > > > There are tangible reasons for his poor scoring, such as going from #2 (2016) to currently #81 in SG Putting. Even Jordan Spieth himself would tell you there are specific things he is not doing well on the golf course.

> > > >

> > > > **And I said he hasn't been good enough to win in almost two years now...which is a fact**. I meant during that period of time. I never said he wasn't an amazing talent and at one point a top top player. I'm simply observing reality and asking what's wrong and why isn't he playing like he once did. Even Jordan Spieth is doing that. That's called logic and reason and using intelligence.

> > > >

> > > > Have you heard Jordan say "i'm just in a slump". No, he's not an idiot. He's identifying what's wrong so that he can fix it. As opposed to being in denial.

> > >

> > > lol... Did Tiger ever say he was in a slump? or did he use the words Jordan is using? process/reps etc... hes showing enough flashes that anyone with any experience watching prolific players can tell he will snap out of it. hes making plenty of birdies but too many mistakes that is putting too much pressure on his flatstick. He was 6-7 shots away from potentially winning/playoff 2 majors and a regular tour event ( houston). Still a premiere wedge / iron player and still possesses a prolific short game.He wasnt a great driver when he was winning either.He was in position 3 times this year at the 36 hole mark but then imploded on the weekends. As i mentioned further up he was leading the tour in scoring in the first round and precut for about 2 months and almost dead last on weekends.Anybody with eyes can see his results are bad this year but it only takes a 1 or 2 weeks for guy like him to trun it around. Ill come back in september and gladly tell you how i feel if he doesnt show more than flashes

> >

> > As of this moment Spieth is not a premier wedge/iron player and prolific short game. He is negative strokes gained off the tee, and approach, and around the green. That is the facts. We know he has the skills but he is not displaying them recently.

> >

> > You are correct, he can turn it around. But the question is will he?

>

> Yup 4 bad weeks wrecked his stats prior to that he was where he was last year which was is elite. Hes 29th in birdie average likely jumping up to top 15 after this week yet 123rd in scoring average. That tells you the big #s are hurting him. its 21 rounds worth of stats. Lets see the next 40+rounds the rest of the year and im betting all these #s go back to normal. 6 tournaments worth of bad rounds doesnt make him an non elite iron player/wedge player.

 

Fair enough. He might turn it around and it's likely he will. If by "insinuating he won't" you are referring to my posts that said it's not guaranteed and gave examples I'll disagree. Many posters seem to think it's a given that he will return to the top. All I gave was other examples of players that the same was thought of that never did get anywhere near previous levels of play.

[BB28403]

Jordan, after watching him today, is having Psychiatric issues. I'm totally serious. that boy needs mental help. Hes awesome but mannnn, he is having a lot of OCD and Anxiety issues. I hope he goes and sees a professional or a sports psychologist recognizes it.

[North Texas]

> @thegoomba said:

> Here is the real question..why after a near historic season do you change your swing to chase 15 20 yards off the tee?

 

Do we know for a fact that he changed his swing chasing 15-20 more yards off the tee? Or is it speculation?

[Cool Runnings]

Here we go again with Spieth…. gets in content but under pressure keeps capitulating. If Jordan wants to ever compete again then his tee game needs to significantly improve. His tee shot on (par 3) hole 3 needs to be far closer than 73ft which is 3 putt territory. And his drive way right on the next hole #4 keeps putting tremendous pressure on his entire game, including his mental game - it must be so exhausting & frustrating playing this army golf. Jordan now seems unable mentally to leave previous poor swings & results behind. He’s now carrying over these previous poor swing & results into the next holes. As I’m typing this he’s done the same on hole 5, another poor drive right and now this is putting so much pressure on his chipping and putting. Another makeable 7ft putt missed. That’s +4 over the 3 holes. Mentally he just falls apart with even the smallest amount of pressure. This is hard to watch as I like Jordan.

[bladehunter]

> @straightshot7 said:

> I'm glad to find out that Martin Kaymer is just in a slump. I thought he was having actual problems with his golf game.

 

He never did anything to begin with. Backup into a major ? Come on. He got hot for 6 months. That’s all.

[Pent08]

> > @thegoomba said:

> > Here is the real question..why after a near historic season do you change your swing to chase 15 20 yards off the tee?

>

> Do we know for a fact that he changed his swing chasing 15-20 more yards off the tee? Or is it speculation?

 

Pretty sure it's speculation, as his ball speed sits in the 170s. His only worry should be accuracy.

[bladehunter]

Lol. He has 3 bad holes and the thread vblows up. You guys are golden.

[bladehunter]

> @Shilgy said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @Shilgy said:

> > > > > This conversation could have been about Arnie, Watson, Seve and, maybe, Tiger. Granted it's about Spieth at a younger age but it does happen. The players mentioned won their last major in their early 30's and no one would have believed it at the time.

> > > > > Ralph Guldahl was YJS before Spieth was a twinkle in Grandpa's eye. At the age of 29 he had 16 wins and 3 majors including back to back US Opens.

> > > > > Guess what his career totals are...16&3. So it does happen.

> > > >

> > > > Sure. Never said it didn’t. What I said was talent doesn’t just leave. “Want to “ maybe ( see Rory ). But also see Rory it can be rekindled.

> > > >

> > > > This idea of “ this isn’t a slump he’s just never been good enough “ is pure lunacy of you look at the resume.

> > >

> > > Luckily I'm not a lunatic as I've never said he never was good enough. But he has lost "it". That confidence needed to hit the shot at the big moment.

> > > Will he get it back?

> > >

> > > Who knows is the only correct answer.

> >

> > Sure. So we agree. He’s in a slump. Lol. I’m not sure why anyone would disagree with that idea. It’s simply a term to describe someone who is down who was once up. That’s all.

> >

> > I

>

> Maybe lol. Right now you can call it a slump if you like. We do not know at this point if it is the new normal. Right now he cannot hit the shots. Call it or slump or call it a banana, he is not performing well.

 

The “ new normal “ insinuation is right here ^^^^

[gvogel]

> @bladehunter said:

> Lol. He has 3 bad holes and the thread vblows up. You guys are golden.

 

Well, this is indicative of what's been going on the past year.

[marcwhu]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @straightshot7 said:

> > I'm glad to find out that Martin Kaymer is just in a slump. I thought he was having actual problems with his golf game.

>

> He never did anything to begin with. Backup into a major ? Come on. He got hot for 6 months. That’s all.

 

2 majors and a Players is HoF by some people's standards.

[Cool Runnings]

It's weird why Jordan can’t pull himself together mentally...

[bladehunter]

> @gvogel said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > Lol. He has 3 bad holes and the thread vblows up. You guys are golden.

>

> Well, this is indicative of what's been going on the past year.

 

Absolutely. No doubt .... just hilarious to see those watching scores to be able to run here and say “ I told you so “. Anybody hear me say he’s playing great ? Nope. Was tied 2 with a C+ game at best.

[rattlergolfer]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @rattlergolfer said:

> > > @WidespreadPanic said:

> > > I want Spieth to win the Masters for 3 reasons.

> > > 1. I picked him in a pool.

> > > 2. Watching him successfully plot his way around Augusta is awesome.

> > > 3. So these threads can stop.

> >

> > He ain't gonna win.

>

> “ oh magic 8 ball ..... telll me who will win “.......

>

> Duly noted and filed away.

 

Like I said earlier. He ain't gonna win The Masters. You might wanna change your pick. He's +4 thru 8 holes on moving day.

[bscinstnct]

> @"Cool Runnings" said:

> It's weird why Jordan can’t pull himself together mentally...

 

 

Brings some serious perspective and respect for how

Tiger maintained the mental discipline be the best in the world

Week after week

Year after year ; )

 

[bladehunter]

> @marcwhu said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @straightshot7 said:

> > > I'm glad to find out that Martin Kaymer is just in a slump. I thought he was having actual problems with his golf game.

> >

> > He never did anything to begin with. Backup into a major ? Come on. He got hot for 6 months. That’s all.

>

> 2 majors and a Players is HoF by some people's standards.

 

 

Maybe so. For my vote it would depend on what else you’ve done. How many wins. Amateur career Ryder cups ( qualified for. Not necessarily record) etc. just not apples to apples ...

[rattlergolfer]

> @bscinstnct said:

> > @"Cool Runnings" said:

> > It's weird why Jordan can’t pull himself together mentally...

>

>

> Brings some serious perspective and respect for how

> Tiger maintained the mental discipline be the best in the world

> Week after week

> Year after year ; )

>

It is hard to stay focused with $40M in the bank, a wife and being young. Even with the non-sense Tiger was focused on the Ws.

 

[bladehunter]

> @"Cool Runnings" said:

> It's weird why Jordan can’t pull himself together mentally...

 

 

Unless we are wrong and It is mechanical.

 

I noticed yesterday that he’s now using a line on his ball for putts. When he putted his best he never used one .... maybe he has eye issues ? Alignment has to be part of it as he says for that to become a necessary addition to the putting routine. .

 

What I mean is it could be a bit of a “ chicken or the egg” scenario. Which is causing which ?

[rattlergolfer]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @rattlergolfer said:

> > > @WidespreadPanic said:

> > > I want Spieth to win the Masters for 3 reasons.

> > > 1. I picked him in a pool.

> > > 2. Watching him successfully plot his way around Augusta is awesome.

> > > 3. So these threads can stop.

> >

> > He ain't gonna win.

>

> “ oh magic 8 ball ..... telll me who will win “.......

>

> Duly noted and filed away.

 

I like Justin Thomas game more than Spieth. To Jordan benefit he has more pressure than his immediate peers. His game out the gate was like a lighting rod. However, since then he has received HUGE endorsements and recently married. Those things can mess with your mind.

[jbole267]

Darn, the guy is a mess.

 

He needs to shed himself of that stupid left prone tour AD IZ. Not saying its a bad shaft but would love to see him change. Putting has been ok, as well as short game. Get off the tee effectively and gain some confidence and he will be better.

[lowheel]

> @bladehunter said:

> Lol. He has 3 bad holes and the thread vblows up. You guys are golden.

 

Thats the problem hes had all year. His first 2 rounds scoring avg is top 5 and his weekend average is like 170th. Last year it was the opposite. top 5 saturday sunday scoring and terrible first 2 round scoring. its a fickle game. 2 balls OB today. its killing him

[lowheel]

> @jbole267 said:

> Darn, the guy is a mess.

>

> He needs to shed himself of that stupid left prone tour AD IZ. Not saying its a bad shaft but would love to see him change. Putting has been ok, as well as short game. Get off the tee effectively and gain some confidence and he will be better.

 

its funny because he wanted to eliminate the big right miss that he had and now he has the big left miss. The IZ has an active tip so perhaps youre right. he was way better with the rogue.Maybe he goes the tiger route...

[bullie76]

> @BB28403 said:

> Jordan, after watching him today, is having Psychiatric issues. I'm totally serious. that boy needs mental help. Hes awesome but mannnn, he is having a lot of OCD and Anxiety issues. I hope he goes and sees a professional or a sports psychologist recognizes it.

 

Yep. You can stick a fork in him. Don't see him magically getting his head together well enough to put 4 good rounds together anytime soon. I've never been a believer in sports shrinks but if anybody needs one it's him.

[Cool Runnings]

Different times, different drives for players now… Also doesn’t help playing in the deepest most competitive era ever.

 

> @bscinstnct said:

> > @"Cool Runnings" said:

> > It's weird why Jordan can’t pull himself together mentally...

>

>

> Brings some serious perspective and respect for how

> Tiger maintained the mental discipline be the best in the world

> Week after week

> Year after year ; )

>