T1100 Smoke/Hulk is here....

[getair23]

Mine arrived today. Going to give the 6.5 Tx a go. JD from JD's Clubs customer service goes above and beyond. He even took the time to text with me to make sure everything was exactly what I wanted. Now all I need is my new driver to arrive.

[golferjsh69]

So I got the 70 6.5 (non-tx) and its not gonna be my gamer. Other shafts I play around with are Tensei PO 70TX and KK DC XT 70TX. The smoke green went higher and spun noticeably more than both of those options so it will be on the BST. PM if interested.

[mjbaker80]

Sounds like I'm not crazy and it is launching higher for others too! I'm not giving up on it, but, time to tip....

I think it's worth remembering that on tour tipping usually STARTS at 1/2 inch. You gotta figure that when these shafts are made, they consider that especially with a shaft like this that is designed with the Tour in mind..... I bought a D+ a while back and the thing spun like a top so I had to tip that too. The one shaft that I STARTED with tipped...Atmos Black hits bullets.

[CSmithAMG]

I’ll throw in my 2 cents. I might be coming from a different place as I switched from an OG HAZARDUS yellow 6.5. I got the ‘Hulk’ in 70g and 6.5 (not TX). For me, it has helped take the left side miss out of play. I’ve seen no loss of distance or increased height or spin. I paired it with a 10.5 Flash SZ head. At least one other guy I play with is looking to order a Hulk after hitting mine.

[Valtiel]

It is interesting to see everyone's reaction to the shaft and then seeing the EI profile information become available. It is almost identical to the original HZRDUS Smoke with just a stiffer butt section and a *slight* increase in tip stiffness. The HZRDUS T1100 is still stiffer in both the mid and the tip which makes me wonder why they touted this as being their "stiffest profile ever". It still looks like a great shaft on paper though, so if you're looking to try one out, don't be scared that it is some behemoth. It actually looks very similar to the Tensei Pro White EI profile.

[Weston11]

Any more updates on this shaft's performance. I'm curious about the spin. It sounds like people are experiencing higher-than-expected launch and I'm wondering if it also spins more.

[Valtiel]

> @Weston11 said:

> Any more updates on this shaft's performance. I'm curious about the spin. It sounds like people are experiencing higher-than-expected launch and I'm wondering if it also spins more.

 

If the shaft is creating the higher launch then it is also creating higher spin. The only exception to this is if you're striking higher on the face (not directly related to the shaft) or presenting more loft at impact (also not directly related to the shaft). A shaft's feel and weight can influence these two factors however, but that influence will be very specific to the user. This is important because if anyone claims that a shaft decouples their launch and spin (e.g. higher launch and lower spin or lower launch and higher spin) then you know there are other factors at play that may not apply to you.

[QuigleyDU]

> @Valtiel said:

> It is interesting to see everyone's reaction to the shaft and then seeing the EI profile information become available. It is almost identical to the original HZRDUS Smoke with just a stiffer butt section and a *slight* increase in tip stiffness. The HZRDUS T1100 is still stiffer in both the mid and the tip which makes me wonder why they touted this as being their "stiffest profile ever". It still looks like a great shaft on paper though, so if you're looking to try one out, don't be scared that it is some behemoth. It actually looks very similar to the Tensei Pro White EI profile.

 

While they are similar in profile, they could feel very different right? Honest question, not a shaft guru here.

[BottleCap]

Is this available in an 80 gram weight? Sounds like it would make an interesting fairway shaft. I like a high launch with fairways.

[Valtiel]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @Valtiel said:

> > It is interesting to see everyone's reaction to the shaft and then seeing the EI profile information become available. It is almost identical to the original HZRDUS Smoke with just a stiffer butt section and a *slight* increase in tip stiffness. The HZRDUS T1100 is still stiffer in both the mid and the tip which makes me wonder why they touted this as being their "stiffest profile ever". It still looks like a great shaft on paper though, so if you're looking to try one out, don't be scared that it is some behemoth. It actually looks very similar to the Tensei Pro White EI profile.

>

> While they are similar in profile, they could feel very different right? Honest question, not a shaft guru here.

 

Different materials and lower torque in the HZRDUS Smoke Green would lead to different feel I would assume.

 

> @BottleCap said:

> Is this available in an 80 gram weight? Sounds like it would make an interesting fairway shaft. I like a high launch with fairways.

 

It looks like only up to 70g. And don't get me wrong, I highly doubt anyone would consider this a high or "higher" launching shaft. I think the expectation with the marketing build up was that it was going to be the lowest, stiffest thing ever, so anything other than that would be considered "higher". It is still a very stout, linear profile.

[Nelly32]

> @BottleCap said:

> Is this available in an 80 gram weight? Sounds like it would make an interesting fairway shaft. I like a high launch with fairways.

 

Yes it is, but I believe it’s “tour only” at the moment. I just got mine in from Will People’s yesterday.

[TrueTemper]

> @Valtiel said:

> It is interesting to see everyone's reaction to the shaft and then seeing the EI profile information become available. It is almost identical to the original HZRDUS Smoke with just a stiffer butt section and a *slight* increase in tip stiffness. The HZRDUS T1100 is still stiffer in both the mid and the tip which makes me wonder why they touted this as being their "stiffest profile ever". It still looks like a great shaft on paper though, so if you're looking to try one out, don't be scared that it is some behemoth. It actually looks very similar to the Tensei Pro White EI profile.

 

Not sure which flex you are looking at but the 6.5TX is stiffer in the handle and tip than the T1100 6.5. Also, don't forget that the T1100 was counter balanced so it needed additional head weight which would make the shaft flex more. No added weight needed with the Hulk to even at the same specs it will play firmer.

 

DB

[Valtiel]

> @TrueTemper said:

> > @Valtiel said:

> > It is interesting to see everyone's reaction to the shaft and then seeing the EI profile information become available. It is almost identical to the original HZRDUS Smoke with just a stiffer butt section and a *slight* increase in tip stiffness. The HZRDUS T1100 is still stiffer in both the mid and the tip which makes me wonder why they touted this as being their "stiffest profile ever". It still looks like a great shaft on paper though, so if you're looking to try one out, don't be scared that it is some behemoth. It actually looks very similar to the Tensei Pro White EI profile.

>

> Not sure which flex you are looking at but the 6.5TX is stiffer in the handle and tip than the T1100 6.5. Also, don't forget that the T1100 was counter balanced so it needed additional head weight which would make the shaft flex more. No added weight needed with the Hulk to even at the same specs it will play firmer.

>

> DB

 

Thanks for the info! Would the regular 6.5 be more equivalent to the T1100 6.5 then with the TX being a step above that? That would make sense then if that is the case.

[BottleCap]

> @Valtiel said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @Valtiel said:

> > > It is interesting to see everyone's reaction to the shaft and then seeing the EI profile information become available. It is almost identical to the original HZRDUS Smoke with just a stiffer butt section and a *slight* increase in tip stiffness. The HZRDUS T1100 is still stiffer in both the mid and the tip which makes me wonder why they touted this as being their "stiffest profile ever". It still looks like a great shaft on paper though, so if you're looking to try one out, don't be scared that it is some behemoth. It actually looks very similar to the Tensei Pro White EI profile.

> >

> > While they are similar in profile, they could feel very different right? Honest question, not a shaft guru here.

>

> Different materials and lower torque in the HZRDUS Smoke Green would lead to different feel I would assume.

>

> > @BottleCap said:

> > Is this available in an 80 gram weight? Sounds like it would make an interesting fairway shaft. I like a high launch with fairways.

>

> It looks like only up to 70g. And don't get me wrong, I highly doubt anyone would consider this a high or "higher" launching shaft. I think the expectation with the marketing build up was that it was going to be the lowest, stiffest thing ever, so anything other than that would be considered "higher". It is still a very stout, linear profile.

 

I think you're right, i'm going to scratch that 5 wood experiment for now.

[TrueTemper]

> @Valtiel said:

> > @TrueTemper said:

> > > @Valtiel said:

> > > It is interesting to see everyone's reaction to the shaft and then seeing the EI profile information become available. It is almost identical to the original HZRDUS Smoke with just a stiffer butt section and a *slight* increase in tip stiffness. The HZRDUS T1100 is still stiffer in both the mid and the tip which makes me wonder why they touted this as being their "stiffest profile ever". It still looks like a great shaft on paper though, so if you're looking to try one out, don't be scared that it is some behemoth. It actually looks very similar to the Tensei Pro White EI profile.

> >

> > Not sure which flex you are looking at but the 6.5TX is stiffer in the handle and tip than the T1100 6.5. Also, don't forget that the T1100 was counter balanced so it needed additional head weight which would make the shaft flex more. No added weight needed with the Hulk to even at the same specs it will play firmer.

> >

> > DB

>

> Thanks for the info! Would the regular 6.5 be more equivalent to the T1100 6.5 then with the TX being a step above that? That would make sense then if that is the case.

 

Yes, especially once you have swingweighted the clubs to the same spec the Hulk 6.5 and T1100 6.5 will yield similar results.

 

DB

[Walter Sobchak]

I purchased a 6.0 in this shaft and requested it butt trimmed to play 44.5 in a G Max. Upon receipt of the shaft I thought it felt extremely stout for the 6.0. After looking at the amount of visible purple at the tip I came to the realization that the vendor tipped it rather than butt trimming it. I’m assuming I now have something akin to a 6.5 or 6.5 TX based on the amount of tipping necessary to get it to 44.5 playing length. Can someone more versed than myself in tipping confirm that would be an accurate conversion?

[t4t3r]

> @"Walter Sobchak" said:

> I purchased a 6.0 in this shaft and requested it butt trimmed to play 44.5 in a G Max. Upon receipt of the shaft I thought it felt extremely stout for the 6.0. After looking at the amount of visible purple at the tip I came to the realization that the vendor tipped it rather than butt trimming it. I’m assuming I now have something akin to a 6.5 or 6.5 TX based on the amount of tipping necessary to get it to 44.5 playing length. Can someone more versed than myself in tipping confirm that would be an accurate conversion?

 

Most adapters Ping included add about 3/8” and stock graphite shafts for woods are 46” long. Ping head adds 1.”

 

They would’ve had to tip it quite a bit to get to that playing length without butt cutting, and the parallel tip section is typically 3” for most shafts. Someone here who has one untipped should be able to give you a reference measurement with regard to graphics (typically the top of the red diamond is used on these shafts). That would give you what you need to go back to the retailer to make it right.

[TrueTemper]

> @"Walter Sobchak" said:

> I purchased a 6.0 in this shaft and requested it butt trimmed to play 44.5 in a G Max. Upon receipt of the shaft I thought it felt extremely stout for the 6.0. After looking at the amount of visible purple at the tip I came to the realization that the vendor tipped it rather than butt trimming it. I’m assuming I now have something akin to a 6.5 or 6.5 TX based on the amount of tipping necessary to get it to 44.5 playing length. Can someone more versed than myself in tipping confirm that would be an accurate conversion?

 

Just so you know the purple start location isn't the same on every shaft. The way the PVD chamber works the color transitions vary quite a bit. We have some with green down to 8" from the tip and some where the green stops under the HZRDUS.

[Walter Sobchak]

Thanks for the reply. If I have further concern I’ll send a pm.

[Valtiel]

> @BottleCap said:

> > @Valtiel said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > @Valtiel said:

> > > > It is interesting to see everyone's reaction to the shaft and then seeing the EI profile information become available. It is almost identical to the original HZRDUS Smoke with just a stiffer butt section and a *slight* increase in tip stiffness. The HZRDUS T1100 is still stiffer in both the mid and the tip which makes me wonder why they touted this as being their "stiffest profile ever". It still looks like a great shaft on paper though, so if you're looking to try one out, don't be scared that it is some behemoth. It actually looks very similar to the Tensei Pro White EI profile.

> > >

> > > While they are similar in profile, they could feel very different right? Honest question, not a shaft guru here.

> >

> > Different materials and lower torque in the HZRDUS Smoke Green would lead to different feel I would assume.

> >

> > > @BottleCap said:

> > > Is this available in an 80 gram weight? Sounds like it would make an interesting fairway shaft. I like a high launch with fairways.

> >

> > It looks like only up to 70g. And don't get me wrong, I highly doubt anyone would consider this a high or "higher" launching shaft. I think the expectation with the marketing build up was that it was going to be the lowest, stiffest thing ever, so anything other than that would be considered "higher". It is still a very stout, linear profile.

>

> I think you're right, i'm going to scratch that 5 wood experiment for now.

 

5 woods will launch plenty on their own so worrying about the launch characteristics of a shaft there is not energy well spent. It's all about feel and weight so I wouldn't necessarily scrap it, the Smoke Green could be perfect for all you know!

[Stonebridge]

Purchased a 6.5 TX tipped 1 inch. Extremely different results than Synergy, Tensei, KK and others. Perfect blend of high launch and lower spin has yielded 30 yards. Very unique shaft and well worth the investment to test.

[osubuckeyes691]

I tested a 70 6.5TX and found it to be higher launch and similar spin to both my Accra TZ5 and TZ6. Dispeesion was slightly worse than both for me as well.

 

For me it didn't beat out either Accra overall. Very different feel than the old T1100. The matte black looks awesome though. It will be on the BST soon

[Stonebridge]

> @osubuckeyes691 said:

> I tested a 70 6.5TX and found it to be higher launch and similar spin to both my Accra TZ5 and TZ6. Dispeesion was slightly worse than both for me as well.

>

> For me it didn't beat out either Accra overall. Very different feel than the old T1100. The matte black looks awesome though. It will be on the BST soon

 

Interesting to hear after testing TZ5 & TZ6 I found the opposite results. All great shafts that can suit a variety of swing profiles.

[Brooks_Cupcake]

> @osubuckeyes691 said:

> I tested a 70 6.5TX and found it to be higher launch and similar spin to both my Accra TZ5 and TZ6. Dispeesion was slightly worse than both for me as well.

>

> For me it didn't beat out either Accra overall. Very different feel than the old T1100. The matte black looks awesome though. It will be on the BST soon

 

What specs did you build (tipping, weight, etc.) on your TZ5, and what is your SS?

 

 

[osubuckeyes691]

TZ5 is 65 M5. Untipped.

TZ6 is 65 M5. Untipped

Hulk was 70 6.5TX untipped. I left the hulk quite a bit longer in case I wanted to tip it so I know the swing weight was a bit heavier but the winner was still pretty clear IMO.

 

> @therealjonzone said:

> > @osubuckeyes691 said:

> > I tested a 70 6.5TX and found it to be higher launch and similar spin to both my Accra TZ5 and TZ6. Dispeesion was slightly worse than both for me as well.

> >

> > For me it didn't beat out either Accra overall. Very different feel than the old T1100. The matte black looks awesome though. It will be on the BST soon

>

> What specs did you build (tipping, weight, etc.) on your TZ5, and what is your SS?

>

>

 

 

[MBBG]

The TZ5 felt a little numb and boardy to me even in the M4 flex so I don’t think I was loading it enough or it didn’t suit my swing. The smoke green feels slightly livelier to me but still very stable

[gambit]

I hated the TZ6. I was told that would be great for me because I love the Pro Orange. Played one round with the TZ6 (more like 3 rounds) and I put driver away. From what I've seen people who like the Tensei's seem to like the Green Smoke and people who like the new TZ's do not. Could be wrong, but just an observation.

[DFS PFD]

> @gambit said:

> I hated the TZ6. I was told that would be great for me because I love the Pro Orange. Played one round with the TZ6 (more like 3 rounds) and I put driver away. From what I've seen people who like the Tensei's seem to like the Green Smoke and people who like the new TZ's do not. Could be wrong, but just an observation.

 

I love Tensei PO and TZ5, did not get along with Smoke Green at all.

[gambit]

> @"DFS PFD" said:

> > @gambit said:

> > I hated the TZ6. I was told that would be great for me because I love the Pro Orange. Played one round with the TZ6 (more like 3 rounds) and I put driver away. From what I've seen people who like the Tensei's seem to like the Green Smoke and people who like the new TZ's do not. Could be wrong, but just an observation.

>

> I love Tensei PO and TZ5, did not get along with Smoke Green at all.

 

What about it did you not like? I just got my shaft back with a new adapter yesterday so haven't tested it yet.

[DFS PFD]

> @gambit said:

> > @"DFS PFD" said:

> > > @gambit said:

> > > I hated the TZ6. I was told that would be great for me because I love the Pro Orange. Played one round with the TZ6 (more like 3 rounds) and I put driver away. From what I've seen people who like the Tensei's seem to like the Green Smoke and people who like the new TZ's do not. Could be wrong, but just an observation.

> >

> > I love Tensei PO and TZ5, did not get along with Smoke Green at all.

>

> What about it did you not like? I just got my shaft back with a new adapter yesterday so haven't tested it yet.

 

It's not a bad shaft, but it could't be less of a "hulk" shaft. For me it is higher spin, higher launching, and more difficult to start on line (because it's not as stiff) as either shaft mentioned above. Was hoping this would be a T1100 with a little more "feel" as advertised. Instead it's a hype machine that for me didn't tick a single box as anticipated. But I was well aware of that going into this, do not trust the opinions of others and test for yourself. Every swing is unique and as always, YMMV. 60g TX tipped 1.25" for reference.