What's coming next from the USGA and R&A...

[bscinstnct]

9 minutes ago, gvogel said:

What's coming next from the USGA.....

 

Instead of discussing all kinds of hypotheticals, what do you think the USGA will actually do once they issue the final distance Insights report?

 

I am guessing that they will try to evaluate a lot of different hypothetical changes to the game, like ball initial velocity, driver head size, and driver and fairway COR.  I see lots of studies before they recommend any changes.  And, after conducting all kinds of studies, they are going to have to get the PGA Tour's and manufacturer's blessing before they change any equipment rules.

 

A very tough task.  And it will take years to implement.

 

So go ahead and play your toaster on a stick drivers and exponentially developed pills to your heart's content, for at least a few more years. 

 

As you say, but stops with the pga tour/players.

 

So, really, they should start to gain favor with guys like Rory, JT, BK, Rahm, and engage in a conversation around how a less forgiving driver preserves their distance over the field abd even gives them an added advantage since they are excellent ball strikers.

 

I think they could even convince Bryson...maybe, lol

Edited November 6, 2020 by bscinstnct

[HappyGilmoresBoots]

50 pages, guys ya did it.

 

[mvhoffman]

Well everyone... This week is the deciding factor IMO

 

Does Bryson destroy Augusta?  

 

Will he drive the 1st green?

 

Will Faldo run down the 1st fairway naked like he said? (if bryson drives it)

 

Want to see Bryson win, but will be rooting for the Big Cat again!!!

[HappyGilmoresBoots]

2 hours ago, mvhoffman said:

Well everyone... This week is the deciding factor IMO

 

Does Bryson destroy Augusta?  

 

Will he drive the 1st green?

 

Will Faldo run down the 1st fairway naked like he said? (if bryson drives it)

 

Want to see Bryson win, but will be rooting for the Big Cat again!!!

If Bryson wins, will we get another 50 pages of circular arguing?!?!?!

[Bubbtubbs]

3 hours ago, HappyGilmoresBoots said:

If Bryson wins, will we get another 50 pages of circular arguing?!?!?!

I hope so.

[hammersia]

On 10/29/2020 at 2:31 PM, hammersia said:

Actually I don’t really think that many want to see him overpower Augusta, particularly when it means he will be richocheting out of the trees and chipping out all week to finish T20 (that’s my bet). 
 

If it was all about the long ball, then long drive would be much bigger than it is. 

Just pointing out that so far Bryson is performing as I predicted 

[smashdn]

He'll adjust.  It's not like he can't "throttle back" or club down and hit all the traditional spots if he is inclined.

 

That's the cool thing about being longer than the people you are playing against, if driver is not getting it done that day you can drop down to a 3i and still be out there around others' drives.

[Bubbtubbs]

I'll be a day behind so can you guys give me a notification the precise moment Bryson, Cam or Matt destroys the game of golf?

Edited November 12, 2020 by Bubbtubbs

[farmer]

On 11/12/2020 at 1:19 PM, Bubbtubbs said:

I'll be a day behind so can you guys give me a notification the precise moment Bryson, Cam or Matt destroys the game of golf?

Just now, Bryson lost a ball on 3 and managed a cool triple, back to even.

To topic, I don't know what you do with clubhead speed.  The ball is certainly longer than the old wound ball, but there  are guys on here with 100mph clubhead speed .... with a 5 iron.  The ball can be nerfed down, but clubhead speed cannot.  

[milesgiles]

38 minutes ago, farmer said:

Just now, Bryson lost a ball on 3 and managed a cool triple, back to even.

To topic, I don't know what you do with clubhead speed.  The ball is certainly longer than the old wound ball, but there  are guys on here with 100mph clubhead speed .... with a 5 iron.  The ball can be nerfed down, but clubhead speed cannot.  

 

And?

[Bubbtubbs]

On 11/13/2020 at 3:19 PM, farmer said:

Just now, Bryson lost a ball on 3 and managed a cool triple, back to even.

To topic, I don't know what you do with clubhead speed.  The ball is certainly longer than the old wound ball, but there  are guys on here with 100mph clubhead speed .... with a 5 iron.  The ball can be nerfed down, but clubhead speed cannot.  

 

Edited November 16, 2020 by Bubbtubbs
I can't seem to delete this dumb quote.

[Bubbtubbs]

So, who's going to start the thread on DJ ruining golf? I'm betting we can squeeze at least 20 pages out of it.

[milesgiles]

7 hours ago, Bubbtubbs said:

So, who's going to start the thread on DJ ruining golf? I'm betting we can squeeze at least 20 pages out of it.

 

Dj did what Bryson was supposed to do

 

id say this Masters was complete validation for the rollbackers. 13 and especially 15 were far more entertaining for playing longer. The  fifth was a much harder hole.

 

the soft greens made the scoring much easier of course. So my takeaway would be ensure tour courses have no run in the fairway and firm greens to reward shot making, and don’t even look at courses that are less than 7400..

 

OR  some form of rollback. Smaller tee, clubheads, min lofts, reduce wood CoR, club length etc, or fiddle with the ball.

[Bubbtubbs]

I choose a third option: not giving a damn what the pros shoot because competition scores are relative to each other in that competition only.

[milesgiles]

10 minutes ago, Bubbtubbs said:

I choose a third option: not giving a damn what the pros shoot because competition scores are relative to each other in that competition only.

 

It’s a view which has been answered at least once on each of the past 20 pages, so no need for me to respond again 

[Bubbtubbs]

21 minutes ago, milesgiles said:

 

It’s a view which has been answered at least once on each of the past 20 pages, so no need for me to respond again 

Fair enough - Adam and Rory don't need ten more quotes.

[bladehunter]

I just want to say.  I said it earlier they Bryson was the pro rollback crowds best pal , but Robert Damron  (RDD here ) agreed on tv this morning.  Bryson did the anti rolllback movement a huge favor by playing poorly and letting this die down to earth.    If he had dominated , you’d have seen a knee jerk reaction for sure.   
 

 

I think my opinion has been side shifted a bit.   Towards thinking that better course design or setup maybe the ultimate answer.  Even if it includes a rollback.  More slope on the greens and around is the only real deterrent from  Easy golf.  

[Nard_S]

If the setup and players were the same and they all used 3 piece wound balata, the winning score at Augusta would have not been -20, just saying. If you don't get that, then you probably never played the ball with any regularity.

[milesgiles]

21 minutes ago, Bubbtubbs said:

Fair enough - Adam and Rory don't need ten more quotes.

 

18 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I just want to say.  I said it earlier they Bryson was the pro rollback crowds best pal , but Robert Damron  (RDD here ) agreed on tv this morning.  Bryson did the anti rolllback movement a huge favor by playing poorly and letting this die down to earth.    If he had dominated , you’d have seen a knee jerk reaction for sure.   
 

 

I think my opinion has been side shifted a bit.   Towards thinking that better course design or setup maybe the ultimate answer.  Even if it includes a rollback.  More slope on the greens and around is the only real deterrent from  Easy golf.  

 

It was the lack of fairway roll that made 5,10 and 11 much better to watch imo. The message from the rollbackers like me is you can have that fairway setup every week, and you can keep your toasters on a stick..

 

id massively prefer a shorter tee with a smaller clubhead though..

[bladehunter]

Just now, milesgiles said:

 

 

It was the lack of fairway roll that made 5,10 and 11 much better to watch imo. The message from the rollbackers like me is you can have that fairway setup every week, and you can keep your toasters on a stick..

 

id massively prefer a shorter tee with a smaller clubhead though..

Yep. I agree with you.  On both counts.  

[NRJyzr]

3 minutes ago, Nard_S said:

If the setup and players were the same and they all used 3 piece wound balata, the winning score at Augusta would have not been -20, just saying. If you don't get that, then you probably never played the ball with any regularity.

 

I don't agree, and I *have* played wound balls extensively.  Not that long ago, actually.

 

And then theres this:  Tiger shot -18 with a wound ball, without the benefit of the real reason for the low scores.  It's the softness of the greens.  It was said several times in the last couple months that this could be the result, due to the differences between ANGC in November and April.

 

Players were firing right at pins without worrying about the usual Augusta pinball.

 

[milesgiles]

3 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Yep. I agree with you.  On both counts.  

 

 

3.30 approach to the 11th, it was even better with the shot tracer. How often do we get treated with approaches like that to a par 4 in an average year?

 

 

 

[Nard_S]

1 minute ago, NRJyzr said:

 

I don't agree, and I *have* played wound balls extensively.  Not that long ago, actually.

 

And then theres this:  Tiger shot -18 with a wound ball, without the benefit of the real reason for the low scores.  It's the softness of the greens.  It was said several times in the last couple months that this could be the result, due to the differences between ANGC in November and April.

 

Players were firing right at pins without worrying about the usual Augusta pinball.

 

Tiger played next gen wound, was an early adopter to solid after that, the Professional is a much straighter ball than the Tour 100. So the disagreement in mutual.

[Bubbtubbs]

12 minutes ago, milesgiles said:

 

 

It was the lack of fairway roll that made 5,10 and 11 much better to watch imo. The message from the rollbackers like me is you can have that fairway setup every week, and you can keep your toasters on a stick..

 

id massively prefer a shorter tee with a smaller clubhead though..

No argument from me here. I've said for years that a good portion of the courses having their lunch eaten were flawed designs or poorly set up from the get go.

[smashdn]

1 hour ago, NRJyzr said:

 

due to the differences between ANGC in November and April.

 

 

I'll go with conditions for sure, but I can't get behind this thought.  That there is something different about April and November.  They were soft because they got a downpour.  That could happen in April as well.

 

What they can't do in November that they can in April is get the rye grass thick enough and established enough to cut it short and dry it out without risking it for the rest of the playing season for ANGC.

 

BdC was wild with the driver.  His short game has improved but not to the point that where he drives it at ANGC doesn't matter.  He was all over the yard with his tee ball.

[gvogel]

1 hour ago, NRJyzr said:

 

I don't agree, and I *have* played wound balls extensively.  Not that long ago, actually.

 

And then theres this:  Tiger shot -18 with a wound ball, without the benefit of the real reason for the low scores.  It's the softness of the greens.  It was said several times in the last couple months that this could be the result, due to the differences between ANGC in November and April.

 

Players were firing right at pins without worrying about the usual Augusta pinball.

 

Tiger shot -18 on a shorter ANGC course.

 

Now they are going to have to lengthen 13.  Again.

[Bubbtubbs]

Or they could choose not to. They don't lengthen the Nurburgring every time somebody sets a new lap time.

[NRJyzr]

1 hour ago, smashdn said:

 

I'll go with conditions for sure, but I can't get behind this thought.  That there is something different about April and November.  They were soft because they got a downpour.  That could happen in April as well.

 

What they can't do in November that they can in April is get the rye grass thick enough and established enough to cut it short and dry it out without risking it for the rest of the playing season for ANGC.

 

BdC was wild with the driver.  His short game has improved but not to the point that where he drives it at ANGC doesn't matter.  He was all over the yard with his tee ball.

 

I'm talking about the greens.  I didn't think they were anything but bentgrass.

 

The greens were soft, no worries about throwing shots right at the stick, they'd largely stay put if they didn't have too much spin.

 

[Nard_S]

 If Bryson was teeing up a Tour 100, he would have lost 6 balls instead 2-3. Talk is always about the gear, the course and the athlete.  Fact is too, the ball is just much straighter and easier to deal with. Good for us, but it's taken some bite out of tournament play. They play a 3 yard fade/draw now, when oldster had to play a 10 yard one. Even in matching the benign condition of this past weekend, the bullseye would have to have been bigger, the approach putts been longer, the fairways and greens would be smaller. Minus 20 does not happen. Tiger's win at -18 done w/ steel on steel and 335 yard driving is still more impressive

Edited November 16, 2020 by Nard_S

[smashdn]

3 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

 

I'm talking about the greens.  I didn't think they were anything but bentgrass.

 

The greens were soft, no worries about throwing shots right at the stick, they'd largely stay put if they didn't have too much spin.

 

 

I want to make sure I understand you.  You think that the greens are not bent or that because they are bent there is a difference between April and November condition of the greens?