Farmers Insurance Open 2021

[Duct Tape]

Surely there’s nothing more to say about this.  Can’t wait for the Sunday round to begin. 
 

[cardoustie]

And anyone caught 3 times on camera dragging masses of sand away from the ball rehearsing back swings in waste areas and says “he didn’t feel the sand move” deserves what he is dealing with right now

 

smoke = fire = Reed

[Holy Moses]

1 minute ago, cardoustie said:

Every pro and top am I know say CHEATING

 

He knows he has a bad rep and should not have touched that ball before a RO showed up

 

Is he stupid ???

 

He even mentions getting a drop wrong on 18 for red vs yellow stakes a few years prior at Torrey on 18

How does a pro not know red vs yellow ???????  Good grief

Reed knows he is bending the rules or cheating. He wants to be the villain. It pumps him up. He thinks he plays better when he's the underdog and the hated. 

[Holy Moses]

2 minutes ago, wely324 said:

What is more likely is irrelevant, because it doesn’t mean that is what happened. 

Again, the world is waiting for once instance where a ball embedded in the rough on the second bounce 

[wely324]

3 minutes ago, cardoustie said:

Every pro and top am I know say CHEATING

 

He knows he has a bad rep and should not have touched that ball before a RO showed up

 

Is he stupid ???

 

He even mentions getting a drop wrong on 18 for red vs yellow stakes a few years prior at Torrey on 18

How does a pro not know red vs yellow ???????  Good grief

 

[deadsolid...shank]

16 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Would every other pro have pushed the ball into the ground with his hand to embed it? 

Probably not. Just like you don’t know if he did it here either. 
 

Wife, who is not a golf fan, just watched the video. When I explained this was part of the question (did he press it down), her comment was the same. You can’t tell if he did anything from that angle. Those people who are saying it is physically impossible to imbed after a bounce, and that he 100% pushed down on the ball are just imposing your feelings. Is it very possible, even likely both those scenarios are true. Of course, but the bottom line, you just don’t know for sure. Lacking that 100% certainty, he gets the benefit of the doubt. By the officials (you guys remember them, they used to make the decisions before the WRX lynch mobs took over) who actually make the decisions. 

[wely324]

2 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Again, the world is waiting for once instance where a ball embedded in the rough on the second bounce 

Drop a ball from below the waist on a soft wet green, it will break the plane of the ground.

[ebrasmus21]

4 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

Reed knows he is bending the rules or cheating. He wants to be the villain. It pumps him up. He thinks he plays better when he's the underdog and the hated. 

I completely agree.  Well said.  Pat needs to play with an edge and he knows where to find it. 

[deadsolid...shank]

I hope Reed wins today just so I can watch the meltdown here. 

[Holy Moses]

1 minute ago, deadsolid...shank said:

Probably not. Just like you don’t know if he did it here either. 
 

Wife, who is not a golf fan, just watched the video. When I explained this was part of the question (did he press it down), her comment was the same. You can’t tell if he did anything from that angle. Those people who are saying it is physically impossible to imbed after a bounce, and that he 100% pushed down on the ball are just imposing your feelings. Is it very possible, even likely both those scenarios are true. Of course, but the bottom line, you just don’t know for sure. Lacking that 100% certainty, he gets the benefit of the doubt. By the officials (you guys remember them, they used to make the decisions before the WRX lynch mobs took over) who actually make the decisions. 

The official had to make a determination after Reed had messed with the evidence. Reed gets the benefit of the doubt - no. You can say the official could only do what he could with half the evidence, but Reed never deserves the benefit of the doubt on a possible rules violation for the rest of his life. 

[deadsolid...shank]

Oh, and for the “spirit of the game(ers)” out there. I think Hawkeye posted that it was 10 years ago that Tiger had a bunch of fans move a Boulder out of his way. Spirit of the game indeed. 

[Holy Moses]

3 minutes ago, wely324 said:

Drop a ball from below the waist on a soft wet green, it will break the plane of the ground.

Again, we are talking about 3-4" rough, not the green. That is a hugely important factor. We have seen hundreds and hundreds of thousands of shots that have hit the rough on the PGA Tour in wet conditions and not once has anyone ever come up with one that plugged on the second bounce. 

[deadsolid...shank]

2 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

The official had to make a determination after Reed had messed with the evidence. Reed gets the benefit of the doubt - no. You can say the official could only do what he could with half the evidence, but Reed never deserves the benefit of the doubt on a possible rules violation for the rest of his life. 

I did wonder if benefit of the doubt was the right phrase. Becasue it does imply it’s something earned, which obviously he hasn’t. So I can’t argue with you on that point HM. 

[chigolfer1]

6 minutes ago, wely324 said:

Drop a ball from below the waist on a soft wet green, it will break the plane of the ground.

 

"the rough"

[capking]

3 minutes ago, deadsolid...shank said:

I hope Reed wins today just so I can watch the meltdown here. 

Reading all the replies has had me thinking this since I first saw it haha.

[deadsolid...shank]

Just now, Holy Moses said:

Again, we are talking about 3-4" rough, not the green. That is a hugely important factor. We have seen hundreds and hundreds of thousands of shots that have hit the rough on the PGA Tour in wet conditions and not once has anyone ever come up with one that plugged on the second bounce. 

That you know of.  Maybe they’ve all proceeded just like Rory did, and we never saw or heard about it. 

[wely324]

1 minute ago, chigolfer1 said:

 

"the rough"

“Anything is possible”

[chigolfer1]

20 minutes ago, cardoustie said:

Every pro and top am I know say CHEATING

 

He knows he has a bad rep and should not have touched that ball before a RO showed up

 

Is he stupid ???

 

He even mentions getting a drop wrong on 18 for red vs yellow stakes a few years prior at Torrey on 18

How does a pro not know red vs yellow ???????  Good grief

 

I'm sure someone has brought this up already but the best take I've seen on twitter is, when everyone say they didn't see the ball bounce, he thought he was going to get an easy non controversial embedded drop.  Of course it wasn't actually embedded in almost all liklihood but if it hadn't bounced, just about everyone would have said, yeah, that was probably embedded.   Heck, he is quoted as saying it's basically impossible for a ball to embed if it bounces in rough.  But, once it was revealed it bounced, he was caught red handed.  Yes, the "procedure" was fine assuming it was actually embedded.  And, he thought he'd have a very defensible it was embedded story.  His blaming the spotter, etc. for saying they didn't see it bounce reveals his thought process.  What difference does it make, it's either embedded or it's not.   He's just upset his story blew up.  The only benefit of the doubt I'd give him is the ball wasn't embedded but he thought it was.

Edited January 31, 2021 by chigolfer1

[dwboston]

32 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

The ball, per the official, was embedded.

 

So, those who don’t believe the ball landing caused it to imbed, believe PR pushed the ball down.

 

Thats the bottom line.

 

The fact that people would even consider he would do that is a bad reflection on PR. Fair or not.

 

No other pro would be accused of doing that. 

 

The official has no idea whether the ball was embedded, because Reed removed it and tossed it away.  The ONLY thing the official could rule on was whether there was a depression of some kind at the point on the ground Reed directed him to.

 

Reed admitted after the round that balls don't embed in the rough after bouncing.  Everyone knows his ball bounced, so how was it embedded?  The simplest explanation is the most likely.  It's not that there was magically a depression where his ball ended up.  

[tgws]

exactly Woods with the rock lol

 

I can just imagine the likes of a Koepka riding another mc and absolutely fuming with no remedy in sight

 

Give em hell, Patrick!

[wely324]

 If you watch the video, nothing that Reed does makes you believe he presses the ball down to create an impression in the ground. If this was any other pro there wouldn’t be a discussion right now. A bad reputation is no reason to treat a professional different. The rules should change if that is the issue with the situation. 

[chigolfer1]

Just now, wely324 said:

 If you watch the video, nothing that Reed does makes you believe he presses the ball down to create an impression in the ground. If this was any other pro there wouldn’t be a discussion right now. A bad reputation is no reason to treat a professional different. The rules should change if that is the issue with the situation. 

 

That's just not true.   If the leader's ball bounced in the rough and the player said it was embedded and picked up the ball before anyone else could even check, we' all be talking about it.   No, we wouldn't be talking about it as much I agree for someone that isn't already a confirmed cheater.

[t4t3r]

12 minutes ago, deadsolid...shank said:

Oh, and for the “spirit of the game(ers)” out there. I think Hawkeye posted that it was 10 years ago that Tiger had a bunch of fans move a Boulder out of his way. Spirit of the game indeed. 

You can’t use whataboutism to show an example of another player taking advantage of rules while simultaneously ignoring that Reed has done this in the past. You don’t get to play both sides.

[BIG STU]

1 hour ago, woodriff said:

1. Call a playing partner for a look

2. then ask for the volunteer. Ask if the ball bounced. 
3. ask for an official and any video

3. The ball bounced. Did not imbed. 

4. play the ball where it lies. 

That would be correct in the spirit and interegrity of the game

[wely324]

2 minutes ago, chigolfer1 said:

 

That's just not true.   If the leader's ball bounced in the rough and the player said it was embedded and picked up the ball before anyone else could even check, we' all be talking about it.   No, we wouldn't be talking about it as much I agree for someone that isn't already a confirmed cheater.

He informed his playing partners how he was proceeding, they said ok. Everyone was under the same assumption it didn’t bounce. Also it shouldn’t matter if you are the leader or not. Proceed by the rules. McIlroy did the same thing Reed did on 18.

[deadsolid...shank]

1 minute ago, t4t3r said:

You can’t use whataboutism to show an example of another player taking advantage of rules while simultaneously ignoring that Reed has done this in the past. You don’t get to play both sides.

I’m not playing you sides, just pointing out another example of someone using the rules. Someone who is revered here. 
 

Although I do admit that PR’s past is a big factor. 

[Mustard_Tiger]

For the people vigorously defending Reed I will say this: If I am ever on trial for a crime I committed but I plead not guilty anyway--I want you on my jury.

[kasting333]

I don’t think Reed did anything wrong. 

[chigolfer1]

1 minute ago, wely324 said:

He informed his playing partners how he was proceeding, they said ok. Everyone was under the same assumption it didn’t bounce. Also it shouldn’t matter if you are the leader or not. Proceed by the rules. McIlroy did the same thing Reed did on 18.

 

Now you are arguing procedure.  This is a different discussion and I'm telling you under the same circumstances we'd still be talking about it.  But, yes, when you're a proven cheater, you are going to get more scrutiny, as you should.

 

And, again, who cares if the spotters said it bounced.  Like I said, it's either embedded or it's not and per Reed himself, it would have been basically impossible to embed off the bounce.  He thought he had cover.

[ProStryker]

Why were the two posts that were made satirically saying that NBCGC made up this story in cahoots with Reed just to drum up ratings, why were they deleted/removed?  Does NBC own Glfwrx?