Suggestions on forged CB heads for son.

[Tugu]

So my boys is now 6'4 at 16 yrs of age. He just cracked the face of his G410. Now his 716 Ap-1 forged (Korea edition) is really dying a rapid death too. Looking to goto something like a one piece forged CB. No need for latest and greatest. Unless I'm wrong, forged players CBs don't change much in tech.

 

All suggestions are very welcome. Only thing is price is sensitive and I'd like to buy brand new. Ideally heads only because we really need to do some testing re shafts.

 

Thank you in advance.

[TeeBonZ]

Don't think you could go wrong with anything by Mizuno.  If you're not totally opposed to used, you should be able to pick up fairly nice older set for a decent price.  When my son was his age I picked him up a nice used set of MP32's and he played well with them.  In fact he just recently switched to something a little newer this last year.

[tlehmann]

From a cost, time, and fit perspective, you're probably much better off just getting fit for what he should be playing, instead of buying heads and shafts separately 

[lefthack]

If you wanted to "self fit" I would look at the Golf works heads and start there. Get a basic shaft to start and go to town. 

[Dpavs]

I have never tried either but I have read a lot of positive reviews here on GoflWRX for either Maltby's, Wishon's or Sub 70 irons.

[Baitkiller]

Some nice Adams heads out there for sale.  Some raw MBs come with a ton of swagger and are certainly top tier forgings.

[bladehunter]

10 minutes ago, tlehmann said:

From a cost, time, and fit perspective, you're probably much better off just getting fit for what he should be playing, instead of buying heads and shafts separately 

I’d agree with the logic here. But. Finding a place to fit irons outside on grass is really hard to do.  Inside on a mat with an iron is not a fitting.  Just no way to say it is. It’s like testing a race car in a simulator.  Ok.  Now what ?  Is the only conclusion.  It won’t mimic real iron activity.  For that reason I can only agree with self fitting through trail and error ( which is exactly what any fitting is ) or traveling to a place that will fit you on grass outside.  

[Gnomesteel]

If you're looking for a lower cost solution the Bridgestone J15CB is one of the best heads I've ever played. Hard to find though.  

Edited March 31, 2021 by Gnomesteel

[driveandputtmachine]

47 minutes ago, Tugu said:

So my boys is now 6'4 at 16 yrs of age. He just cracked the face of his G410. Now his 716 Ap-1 forged (Korea edition) is really dying a rapid death too. Looking to goto something like a one piece forged CB. No need for latest and greatest. Unless I'm wrong, forged players CBs don't change much in tech.

 

All suggestions are very welcome. Only thing is price is sensitive and I'd like to buy brand new. Ideally heads only because we really need to do some testing re shafts.

 

Thank you in advance.

You're not going to find anything new without the shafts.  IF you are dead set against going for an actual fitting then you are limited to either.....

1. Buying components

2. Buying something and guessing and the re-shafting.

 

The second can get pretty pricey since new one piece forged are normally the most expensive iron model from every manufacturer.  So your best bet is probably discount dans to get a decent price.

 

Otherwise shop the classifieds here, you probably won't find new, and you may or may not find heads only, but you could find some decent prices.  Right now used clubs are pretty scarce in good condition, sometimes you can find a deal on Callaway preowned, globalgolf, 2nd swing, or rockbottom.

[mark m]

You mentioned he cracked his driver head. He is a big guy. Does he have high club head speed? (Over 115-120mph?)

[MattM97]

When you say price sensitive what is that price limit? 

[Springsteennut]

The Sub 70 639 irons might be what your looking for. They are a very good club and you won’t break the bank. Just contact them and they will work with your son and get a proper fit for him. There is a pretty long Sub 70 thread you should read through if you’re reluctant to work with a small club company.

[ChipNRun]

2 hours ago, tlehmann said:

From a cost, time, and fit perspective, you're probably much better off just getting fit for what he should be playing, instead of buying heads and shafts separately 

Being he is quite tall, getting fitted would be the best way to go.

 

@Tugu, the exception would be if you do a lot of your own clubsmithing, and can be systematic in approaching the build.

[HSTNGolfer]

Maltby TE Forged are the best value for money of any forged CB iron heads available. Excellent quality, good feel, small offset, traditional lofts.

Also worth considering are Wishon 565MC, if you can find a fitter near you.  

 

At 6'4" the length and weight of the iron shafts are important to get right, so a fitting is a good idea. Take look at the Ping website and the color code chart under the Fitting tab to get a starting point based on his height and wrist to floor measurement. 

[jvincent]

3 hours ago, Tugu said:

So my boys is now 6'4 at 16 yrs of age. He just cracked the face of his G410. Now his 716 Ap-1 forged (Korea edition) is really dying a rapid death too. Looking to goto something like a one piece forged CB. No need for latest and greatest. Unless I'm wrong, forged players CBs don't change much in tech.

 

All suggestions are very welcome. Only thing is price is sensitive and I'd like to buy brand new. Ideally heads only because we really need to do some testing re shafts.

 

Thank you in advance.

Heads only and cost sensitive probably means you should look at Golfworks. Their forged heads are pretty good.

 

My next recommendation would be Wishon. They are available through Diamond Golf.  Might be a little more expensive but I actually prefer the head designs.

[Exactice808]

Sorry I am a current fan boy,

 

https://www.golfsub70.com/sub-70-639-cb-forged-black-irons.html

I have been playing with Sub 70 combos since October of last year.

 

But play CB' s 7irons to 4irons.  These are really forgiving. 

 

PW - 4iron - $693 with your favorite default shafts.... Thats unheard of!!!!

 

 

[Hawkeye77]

How do you do meaningful shaft testing without the actual head?

 

What’s the magic of one piece forged CBs?

 

I’d get him fit by someone qualified. You can get pretty good ideas and some baselines.  
 

Then explore where that leads with new or used clubs. 

[Tugu]

3 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

How do you do meaningful shaft testing without the actual head?

 

What’s the magic of one piece forged CBs?

 

I’d get him fit by someone qualified. You can get pretty good ideas and some baselines.  
 

Then explore where that leads with new or used clubs. 

 

The idea is to choose a head and then try a few different shafts.

 

Re forged one piece, my boy is getting some crazy flights out of strong lofted, multi piece constructions.

 

Re fitting, it just costs too much.

 

He kinda leaning towards Titlest 718 CB and they are being offered somewhat cheap comparatively.

[Tugu]

3 hours ago, Exactice808 said:

Sorry I am a current fan boy,

 

https://www.golfsub70.com/sub-70-639-cb-forged-black-irons.html

I have been playing with Sub 70 combos since October of last year.

 

But play CB' s 7irons to 4irons.  These are really forgiving. 

 

PW - 4iron - $693 with your favorite default shafts.... Thats unheard of!!!!

 

 

 

Thank you. Will definitely show him. He is right now leaning towards some Titleist 718 CB's that dont cost too much more than that.

[Tugu]

7 hours ago, mark m said:

You mentioned he cracked his driver head. He is a big guy. Does he have high club head speed? (Over 115-120mph?)

Yeah, big kid.

[Tugu]

8 hours ago, driveandputtmachine said:

You're not going to find anything new without the shafts.  IF you are dead set against going for an actual fitting then you are limited to either.....

1. Buying components

2. Buying something and guessing and the re-shafting.

 

The second can get pretty pricey since new one piece forged are normally the most expensive iron model from every manufacturer.  So your best bet is probably discount dans to get a decent price.

 

Otherwise shop the classifieds here, you probably won't find new, and you may or may not find heads only, but you could find some decent prices.  Right now used clubs are pretty scarce in good condition, sometimes you can find a deal on Callaway preowned, globalgolf, 2nd swing, or rockbottom.

Watching the classifieds with great intent right now.

[Tugu]

5 hours ago, HSTNGolfer said:

Maltby TE Forged are the best value for money of any forged CB iron heads available. Excellent quality, good feel, small offset, traditional lofts.

Also worth considering are Wishon 565MC, if you can find a fitter near you.  

 

At 6'4" the length and weight of the iron shafts are important to get right, so a fitting is a good idea. Take look at the Ping website and the color code chart under the Fitting tab to get a starting point based on his height and wrist to floor measurement. 

Thank you. We are starting with the PING chart. 

[Tugu]

7 hours ago, MattM97 said:

When you say price sensitive what is that price limit? 

The titleist 718 cb is 850 usd, which is just ok. Problem is I need to find a home for the project x lz shafts that he hates. 

[RogerinNewZealand]

mp60 mp54 mp63 mp64

tourstage cb or mb from 2006 up..or just stop at J33cb..the One.

[Stinger83]

New old stock mizuno's can be found at half price. If he's used to Titleist irons I'd recommend ap2s as a step up too

[Tugu]

1 hour ago, Stinger83 said:

New old stock mizuno's can be found at half price. If he's used to Titleist irons I'd recommend ap2s as a step up too

 

Can I trouble you to guide me towards new old stock Mizunos? I'd love to see what is available.

[Stinger83]

9 hours ago, Tugu said:

 

Can I trouble you to guide me towards new old stock Mizunos? I'd love to see what is available.

tee2green on Ebay often sells new old stock mizuno's on Ebay 

[Hawkeye77]

13 hours ago, Tugu said:

 

The idea is to choose a head and then try a few different shafts.

 

Re forged one piece, my boy is getting some crazy flights out of strong lofted, multi piece constructions.

 

Re fitting, it just costs too much.

 

He kinda leaning towards Titlest 718 CB and they are being offered somewhat cheap comparatively.

Fittings are not expensive in general, but maybe you don't have ready access to facilities?

 

Cast clubs or "multi piece" clubs in and of themselves don't all lend themselves to "crazy" ball flights, sounds like you may be talking yourself into something there.

 

He should definitely play whatever he wants, but buying shafts and apparently installing them into a head to test them, guesses on the used market, are in the long run going to cost a lot more than some focused advice, IMO.

[mogc60]

I’ve bought three different Wilson staff sets and my Srixons heads only brand new on the bay. Search head only sets and see what comes up. 

[mylesb21]

Titleist 714CBs or 716CBs. I’ve played both for the last 6 years.