Your 7 iron distance and shaft

[trilerian]

Might as well...

 

Callaway Apex 19

True Temper Elevate 95, Stiff (stock shaft)

Carry 170 yds at 700' above sea level

Launch around 20* max height 33 yds

Spin 5500-6000 rpm.  

 

It's a beautiful sight when I pull it off.  I'd say my average is 160-165.  

[Mp14forlife]

Iron - Mizunono mp14 

Shaft precision rifle 5.5, could be 6.0

Loft 36 degrees, lie 58.5

7 iron carry 195 yds.

Playing at 4,200 ft elevation. If it's a really warm day, no wind, I'll swing a little harder and hit it from 200.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gnucastle]

Was just fit for:

 

P-770 | 33 deg | Modus 3 (and S300) 

Carry: 180 avg

 

[mgoblue83]

People need to stop referencing that Trackman chart from 2012. It's not relevant anymore.

 

The average PGA tour player is significantly faster and longer now. There may be a few players who still swing driver 113mph and hit their 7iron 160yds but most of them have realized that it's extremely hard to be competitive week to week if you are giving up that much speed and distance. When you combine speed focused training and new equipment that optimizes ball speed and launch conditions it's not even close. The other thing to keep in mind is that tour players are rarely going after irons and almost all of them could probably hit their 7 iron 20-30 yards farther on command. 

 

I don't have data to back this up but I suspect the real averages on tour are closer to:

116-118mph driver swing speed (170-175mph ball speed and 290+ carry)

96-98 mph 7iron swing speed (130-133mph ball speed with 33-34 degrees of loft and an effortless 180+ carry)

 

 

 

 

[ChadL]

New Level 902 head (33 degree loft)

Mitsubishi MMT 125TX

190 yards carry.

[Chief Penguin]

19 Apex Pro / PX 6.5

177 is pretty comfy, 183 is probably all I can get out of it

[NRJyzr]

52 minutes ago, mgoblue83 said:

People need to stop referencing that Trackman chart from 2012. It's not relevant anymore.

 

The average PGA tour player is significantly faster and longer now. There may be a few players who still swing driver 113mph and hit their 7iron 160yds but most of them have realized that it's extremely hard to be competitive week to week if you are giving up that much speed and distance. When you combine speed focused training and new equipment that optimizes ball speed and launch conditions it's not even close. The other thing to keep in mind is that tour players are rarely going after irons and almost all of them could probably hit their 7 iron 20-30 yards farther on command. 

 

I don't have data to back this up but I suspect the real averages on tour are closer to:

116-118mph driver swing speed (170-175mph ball speed and 290+ carry)

96-98 mph 7iron swing speed (130-133mph ball speed with 33-34 degrees of loft and an effortless 180+ carry)

 

 

 

 

 

This claims to be the 2019 Tour Averages from Trackman, for whatever that's worth....

 

[mgoblue83]

9 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

 

This claims to be the 2019 Tour Averages from Trackman, for whatever that's worth....

 

 

I'm a huge Trackman supporter but I've seen the exact same numbers posted going back to at least 2012-2013. You can Google search for different years and see the same numbers.

 

Protracer is known to inflate readings a little bit but all you have to do is watch a broadcast and almost every player they show is 170+ driver ball speed and 130+ 7iron ball speed. 

 

I also question how the average is calculated. If it's a true average of every single players speed then it is misleading because there are so many players who only play in a very small number of events each year. Think about the senior tour guys who still tee it up in a handful of tour events or the journeyman pro's who haven't been competitive in 20 years but still play an event from time to time. If they did an average of the guys who are competitive and actually keep their card through merit (top 125) I'm sure the numbers would be significantly higher. 

[NRJyzr]

50 minutes ago, mgoblue83 said:

 

I'm a huge Trackman supporter but I've seen the exact same numbers posted going back to at least 2012-2013. You can Google search for different years and see the same numbers.

 

Protracer is known to inflate readings a little bit but all you have to do is watch a broadcast and almost every player they show is 170+ driver ball speed and 130+ 7iron ball speed. 

 

I also question how the average is calculated. If it's a true average of every single players speed then it is misleading because there are so many players who only play in a very small number of events each year. Think about the senior tour guys who still tee it up in a handful of tour events or the journeyman pro's who haven't been competitive in 20 years but still play an event from time to time. If they did an average of the guys who are competitive and actually keep their card through merit (top 125) I'm sure the numbers would be significantly higher. 

 

The best source would be ShotLink data, what they've actually done on the course.  Requires a subscription, I believe, which is a bit of a stumbling block.

 

[Cwebb]

5 hours ago, mgoblue83 said:

 

I don't have data to back this up but I suspect the real averages on tour are closer to:

116-118mph driver swing speed (170-175mph ball speed and 290+ carry)

96-98 mph 7iron swing speed (130-133mph ball speed with 33-34 degrees of loft and an effortless 180+ carry)

 

That would likely be close to the average for the longest half of the players on tour,....but not the whole tour

[mgoblue83]

Just now, Cwebb said:

That would likely be close to the average for the longest half of the players on tour,....but not the whole tour

 

I don't think it's just the longest half but more like the top 125 who actually earn their cards and don't rely on past accomplishments or sponsors exemptions. 

 

You aren't going to find many (any?) consistently competitive players who are below those numbers. Even guys like Kisner and Webb Simpson have ball speeds near 170mph. Kutcher and Z. Johnson are perhaps the only ones and even they haven't been competitive in awhile. 

 

Take a look at the bottom of the distance category for the 2021 season:

https://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.101.html

 

217 players have played in a tour event this year and the shortest guy on there who has been competitive in the last few years is probably Patrick Reed (#174) and he has confirmed ball speeds in the mid 170s.  Sure you have irrelevant guys like KJ Choi bringing down the "average" but amongst competitive players there has been a major leap in average distance over the last 3-5 years and it's not just BCD.

 

Furthermore the Kornferry qualifiers and top college players who can qualify using sponsors exemptions (Wolff, Hovland) are all bombers so the tour average is only going to increase as new players join. 

[Krt22]

5 hours ago, Cwebb said:

That would likely be close to the average for the longest half of the players on tour,....but not the whole tour

Agreed. The tours calculated average swing speed is right in line with the trackman average, ball speed avg is slightly higher. I think viewers get a skewed idea of the tour as a whole when the bombers get most of the coverage

 

https://www.pgatour.com/content/pgatour/stats/stat.02401.y2020.html

 

https://www.pgatour.com/content/pgatour/stats/stat.02402.y2020.html

[nbar]

On 4/2/2021 at 11:25 AM, Nard_S said:

Those numbers are too low. Nominal is more like 185, have seen 190-200 often enough in play too. So duffer doing 170 is not outlandish. The irony is if you chase consistent impact you inevitably get to greater distance.

 

Also, if you always play to peak averages, you're a fool. Good to know numbers, better to pull a shot that gets it done under circumstances. 

 

[nbar]

According to trackman these are Tour Pro averages.

[MattC555]

I'm pulling a traditional 7 iron from 160-165 yards with an average driver swing speed of 108mph.  Two of my regular playing partners are pulling traditional 8 irons.  Both are scratch + golfers who carry their drives 275 yards plus.  One has an average swing speed in excess of 120mph.  Neither are pulling a traditional 7 iron from 190-200 yards.... 

 

The PGA data is real.  Most of ya'll are living a pipe dream, coming up short all the time. 

Edited April 15, 2021 by MattC555
sp. ck.

[NRJyzr]

47 minutes ago, MattC555 said:

I'm pulling a traditional 7 iron from 160-165 yards with an average driver swing speed of 108mph.  Two of my regular playing partners are pulling traditional 8 irons.  Both are scratch + golfers who carry their drives 275 yards plus.  One has an average swing speed in excess of 120mph.  Neither are pulling a traditional 7 iron from 190-200 yards.... 

 

The PGA data is real.  Most of ya'll are living a pipe dream, coming up short all the time. 

 

Ability to score isn't relevant in this discussion, its just about speed, swing and golfball.

 

I've encountered players who meet this sort of profile that you are doubting.  Its always surprising when you see a guy airmail a green from 195 with an 8 iron (Mizuno MS-11, if it matters).

 

Maybe you just need to play with former or current hockey players.  You haven't truly lived until you see a 12 year old hockey player hit a 260 yd drive with a smooth swing....

 

[Nard_S]

2 hours ago, nbar said:

 

Did you pay attention to what those guys were using at Augusta? It's a full club off to this "data".

 I watched JR live hit dozens of #6i's into a 20+ mph wind to a tiny target 195 yards out. This chart is selling feel good news to consumer.

[MattC555]

33 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

 

Ability to score isn't relevant in this discussion, its just about speed, swing and golfball.

 

I've encountered players who meet this sort of profile that you are doubting.  Its always surprising when you see a guy airmail a green from 195 with an 8 iron (Mizuno MS-11, if it matters).

 

Maybe you just need to play with former or current hockey players.  You haven't truly lived until you see a 12 year old hockey player hit a 260 yd drive with a smooth swing....

 

Funny you mention hockey players.  I am one and so is one of the previously mentioned players.  Both played in college and still play today.  Neither of us were hitting smooth 260 yd drives at 12 y/o.  But some sprout up quicker than others. 

 

Scoring is relevant, as swing speed generally increases as your cap decreases.  My comment was directed at the supposed glutton of long hitters here at golfwrx.  

 

 Some people do hit the ball a long way.  Seemingly they must all live here on the WRX forums. 

[BlueDragonKorea]

55 minutes ago, Nard_S said:

Did you pay attention to what those guys were using at Augusta? It's a full club off to this "data".

 I watched JR live hit dozens of #6i's into a 20+ mph wind to a tiny target 195 yards out. This chart is selling feel good news to consumer.

Justin Rose is not your average tour player though

[Buzzkill]

160 yards, Steelfiber i70, loft 34.

[Nard_S]

23 minutes ago, BlueDragonKorea said:

Justin Rose is not your average tour player though

He is not considered to be long either. 

 

Last week on #12 at 155 yards standard use was #9i with a standard miss that was long. So 160 w/ 9i. That's 12 yards longer than TM "data". Also on that hole minimum number is over 150. So Pro's take a club whose average is below cover number? Yeah, okay.

 

 

[NRJyzr]

2 hours ago, MattC555 said:

Funny you mention hockey players.  I am one and so is one of the previously mentioned players.  Both played in college and still play today.  Neither of us were hitting smooth 260 yd drives at 12 y/o.  But some sprout up quicker than others. 

 

Scoring is relevant, as swing speed generally increases as your cap decreases.  My comment was directed at the supposed glutton of long hitters here at golfwrx.  

 

 Some people do hit the ball a long way.  Seemingly they must all live here on the WRX forums. 

 

Though there's not *really* a need to respond, I feel a need to add a comment anyway  🤔😁

 

When I was younger, in my early days of golf forum participation, I discovered I had a bit of length.  I had no perspective for comparison, only what I read online on the forum I'd joined.  I swung around 111mph with driver in my early days, mentioning it as a comparative.

 

Then I started meeting other golf forum nerds.  First guy I met, quite a bit longer than me, even carried my tee shot by 50 yds.  With a 3w.  Meet another guy, he's about same length, low single digit.  And another guy, only a bit longer than me, but indeed longer.

 

Then there's the piece of resistance (sic)....  met a guy who could really bring it.  Watched him drive a 296yd par 4 with a 4w, hit and stick a green from 310 with a 3w after he popped up his attempt at driving the green.  And, took a wind aided shot at driving a 321 yd par 4, with a 3 iron (missed right).

 

Point of all this drivel...  these are guys I've met, and played a fair amount of golf with, just in the TwinCities area of Minnesota.  Its not even everyone that meets the criteria,  just a few notable examples.  Golf forum nerds.  If one dude in MN can find these guys, how many more are out there across the US?  Or the world?

 

FWIW...  in the time being referenced, I was an 11-13 hdcp, the first guy was 7-9, third guy was about the same, and the last guyme time ranged from scratch to 3-ish, over the time I played golf with him.

 

[Double Dodger]

On 4/4/2021 at 10:43 AM, The Goose said:

I hit my Miura Limited Edition Baby Blade 7-iron (bent 8 degrees weak to 42*) 380 yards, shafted with a True Temper X7, XXX flex special. Standard GolfWRX-er here. 

Very impressive! That 7i bent 8 weak must look similar to an old Cleveland VAS iron. I believe Corey carried his 7 around 210....

[Konsta]

https://www.pgatour.com/content/pgatour/stats/stat.02401.y2021.eoff.t011.html

They're still swinging it 114 mph on average, meaning they don't hit their 7 iron much faster than back then. Their ball speeds with irons are significantly lower than actually because they don't always go after it but swing it 3/4 or smooth to get the exact distance (par 3s play different lengths, not just 10 yard gaps).

[MattC555]

17 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

 

....

Then there's the piece of resistance (sic)....  met a guy who could really bring it.  Watched him drive a 296yd par 4 with a 4w, hit and stick a green from 310 with a 3w after he popped up his attempt at driving the green.  And, took a wind aided shot at driving a 321 yd par 4, with a 3 iron (missed right).

....

 

321 yards with a 3 iron.  Man this forum is great.  Thanks, I needed a chuckle this morning. 

Edited April 16, 2021 by MattC555

[NRJyzr]

5 minutes ago, MattC555 said:

321 yards with a 3 iron.  Man this forum is great.  Thanks, I needed a chuckle this morning. 

 

I didn't say he hit it 321, that was the length of the hole.

[MattC555]

Just now, NRJyzr said:

 

I didn't say he hit it 321, that was the length of the hole.

You said he missed right.  I guess it was short and right?  Either way, thanks for the laugh. 

[Nard_S]

5 hours ago, Konsta said:

Their ball speeds with irons are significantly lower than actually because they don't always go after it

So you're saying the stats are misleading.

[Natural1]

ZX5, 32 degree (1 weak), Modus 120 S, 160 yd full shot carry

I'm basically your average male golfer in terms of head speed / distance, and I'm ok with that.

[chavycha]

On 4/15/2021 at 5:32 AM, MattC555 said:

I'm pulling a traditional 7 iron from 160-165 yards with an average driver swing speed of 108mph. 

 

This is exactly where I am at. 108 mph on the driver for about 265 carry, 160-165 on the 7 iron. 7 iron is an Apex Pro 19 double dot, which is a 34 degree lofted club. It launches and spins a little more than I'd like; with a reshaft, it'll probably be a 165-170 club.

 

I hit the P790ti 7 iron (28.5) awhile back. Nearly 200 yards carry. Even the normal 790 (30.5) was going around 190. But I don't need/want that kind of stupid distance out of a 7 iron. 

Edited April 17, 2021 by chavycha