P Reed not happy about Ryder Cup snub

[MattyO1984]

Fixed it for him! Enjoy the cheap seats Patrick 😂

 

 

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

What exactly are you claiming Stricker is shoveling? He said health concerns and lack of recent play.  He also didn't do well in his most recent event.  That is all pretty clear and factual to me.

 

Also looking at the data, every Captain's pick has stronger 2021 top 10's performance and overall points ranking than Reed.  On top of that every single Captain's pick averaged more birdies per round than Reed for 2021. No matter how you slice up the performance stats these picks were generally stronger than Reed in 2021.  So what justifies selecting Reed over the other picks?  Past performance?  Well you know the old disclaimer about past performance.  🙂

 

 

Thanks BD, good info. Maybe BS is harsh ; )

 

Im generally going by PRs performance over past 2 years per his owgr that is pretty solidly in the top-10 then drops off when he got sick. 
 

I think that given his RC record, you take his sustained performance over the past two years, combined with his RC play, and if he says he’s good to go, he should be on the team. 
 

 

Edited September 13, 2021 by bscinstnct

[dcmidnight]

I guess I'm looking at different data as everyone else this year. He's got as many missed cuts as Top 10s since his win in January. Coming off a serious hospital stay where he looks like he lost significant weight. Do people really think he's going to be in A+ game shape?

 

I'm sick and tired of the guys personal BS "off the field" - but he hasnt exactly lit it up ON the field this year either. 

[MattyO1984]

I would be looking at PReed’s play as solid but unspectacular - no top 10’s since May and only 5 all year whilst good, given his pedigree and the completion for places, it’s just not quite good enough. Add in everything else and I can only think that Stricker was being less than genuine when he said that not picking him left him with sleepless nights. 

[MaineMariner]

One of the stupidest things about golf fandom is the idea that some players have some special, inherent skill or attribute that makes them a better match play golfer than any other golfer. 

 

The game has waaaaaay, waaay too much randomness for that to possibly matter. If you're assembling a team for a match play event, just pick the golfers who are playing the best golf. That's going to give you a better chance than poring over match play records from years ago.

[Soloman1]

17 minutes ago, MaineMariner said:

One of the stupidest things about golf fandom is the idea that some players have some special, inherent skill or attribute that makes them a better match play golfer than any other golfer. 

 

The game has waaaaaay, waaay too much randomness for that to possibly matter. If you're assembling a team for a match play event, just pick the golfers who are playing the best golf. That's going to give you a better chance than poring over match play records from years ago.

 

 

I don't think you appreciate the GolfWRX raison d'être.

 

 

Edited September 13, 2021 by Soloman1

[BlackDiamondPar5]

1 hour ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Thanks BD, good info. Maybe BS is harsh ; )

 

Im generally going by PRs performance over past 2 years per his owgr that is pretty solidly in the top-10 then drops off when he got sick. 
 

I think that given his RC record, you take his sustained performance over the past two years, combined with his RC play, and if he says he’s good to go, he should be on the team. 
 

 

Right.  It's just that some people here are rather myopic.  Seemingly to overemphasize his past Ryder Cup magic, and that despite his comparatively underwhelming 2021 performance, he will somehow have a breakout RC.  It's certainly possible but it's also a big gamble, especially considering his recent serious illness.  So as Stricker has done, why not select other guys when there's plenty of bench strength that have done better all season than Reed?   

[ShowMe]

9 hours ago, jkumpire said:

 

I didn't know singles matches were less important than team matches. Duh.

 

Yes, please do delete your account. 

Well, there are 4 team matches and 1 singles match.  Where I went to school, 4>1.  

 

I'd rather have a guy who could go 4-1 (or even 2-3), as opposed to Patrick Reed who would go 1-4 if he wasn't partnered with Jordan Spieth in the team matches.  Duh.

 

You Patrick Reed fanboys are letting your emotions overcome logic.  - Spock

[ShowMe]

On 9/12/2021 at 12:54 AM, bobfoster said:

Actually, it is a bit too bad that the guy's (at times rather nasty) antics blur what is probably the real reason he wasn't picked. 

 

He's definitely had recent health issues. And when he is playing, he doesn't (currently) seem to be firing on all eight cylinders. Doesn't matter what he did in past years. What matters is who is on the course come September 24th, and how they are likely to do. I wouldn't have picked him either, not because of any issues involving his personality, but because his game is just not fully there right now.

 

True, there have been a few players who's stature is such that they get picked no matter what if they want to play. No Captain would have declined to pick Tiger or Phil. But Reed is hardly in that league.

 

I like the team Stricker picked. Can't think of a single one that Reed - playing as he's currently playing - should have replaced. And Stricker is a seriously even-handed guy. Does anyone really believe he thought "Reed would give me a better chance of winning, but I'm going to go with a lesser choice because Reed liked bad tweets about me, and threw shade on previous Captains"?

 

Captains have to herd the cats, only these are some of the best in the world, so its more like herding mountain lions and cougars. The top of the sport (as in any sport) are fierce competitors (whether they seem quiet or loud on the surface), they all know each each other, have battled each other at various times, and have strong opinions about the game (and each other). Some are a royal pain in the butkus. Captains don't try to avoid that, they try to manage it. Take a dozen independent contractors used to playing only for themselves, and temporarily bind them into a team. 

 

IMO, Stricker picked a team he thinks has the best chance of winning, based on golf. He's doing what Captains traditionally do - they don't keep someone off the team because of personality, they harmonize the personalities through pairing (e.g., DeChambeau and Koepka certainly will not be teamed together). 

 

I do get that it is normal among many golf fans in general, and WRXers in particular, to complain about Captain's picks. Actually, it is sort of a tradition. It's part of the fun of the Ryder Cup. And when you have someone like Reed, who inspires love and loyalty in some, and irritation in others, it is natural that he would be the focus of this year's arguments. 

 

But - myself, I'm nearly indifferent to the guy. I'm pretty satisfied with the team we've got. I do not think it was picked on personality, I think all the choices were chosen almost entirely on just golf. 

 

Exactly!  I've mentioned this in a previous post.  The guy "ALMOST DIED" (according to him) a few weeks ago from double pneumonia (and the boogie woogie flu). 

 

He cannot be counted on to play 36 holes a day for the first two days.  Having him on the team reduces Stricker's options about who he can play the first two days.  Never mind the fact that PR has not yet shown that he can win a team match without Spieth as his partner.

 

Honestly, it really wasn't that difficult of a choice.  Any logical and reasonable leader would have made the same decision.  The difficult choice would have been not selecting PR if he hadn't almost died a few weeks ago.

[ShowMe]

On 9/12/2021 at 6:43 AM, Hawkeye77 said:

Who knows.

 

From the above:

 

“I definitely feel like I am way ahead of where I would say everyone expected me to be health-wise, and also I felt like the game was a lot closer than the score kind of anticipated,” Reed said Sunday. 

 

He overdramatized his health situation a very public way but now he's ahead of where "everyone" expected him to be (because he overdramatized) and he's better than his actual scores, which are . . . his actual scores.  

 

He could have said worse. 

 

The Twitter thing, who cares. 

 

Seems like the odds are substantially higher this time around he would be a divisive force based on France and form, than recreating any of the magic he had at Hazeltine three long years ago.  I think the USA is going to win big this time around and he won't be missed at all.  

 

 

 

Wow.  I actually agree with you for once.  I need to go see a doctor...🙂

[khalespace]

PReed doesn't even talk to his parents and siblings. His college teammates from two different colleges didn't like him. He cheated repeatedly on TV and I am sure other times when not on TV. A few players don't want to be paired with him. He is obviously toxic. Why do people think he is needed for a team event? We know that the US team has plenty of talent. The US downfall is usually team chemistry. Why bring PReed in to guarantee some sort of problems?

Edited September 13, 2021 by khalespace

[Shilgy]

35 minutes ago, ShowMe said:

Well, there are 4 team matches and 1 singles match.  Where I went to school, 4>1.  

 

I'd rather have a guy who could go 4-1 (or even 2-3), as opposed to Patrick Reed who would go 1-4 if he wasn't partnered with Jordan Spieth in the team matches.  Duh.

 

You Patrick Reed fanboys are letting your emotions overcome logic.  - Spock

Have you ever considered the idea that since Reed is 3-0 in singles and JT is 1-0 while Spieth is 0-3 maybe it was Thomas and Reed that carried his sorry rear in partners play?
 

Maybe YJS is the weak link?

[bscinstnct]

53 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Right.  It's just that some people here are rather myopic.  Seemingly to overemphasize his past Ryder Cup magic, and that despite his comparatively underwhelming 2021 performance, he will somehow have a breakout RC.  It's certainly possible but it's also a big gamble, especially considering his recent serious illness.  So as Stricker has done, why not select other guys when there's plenty of bench strength that have done better all season than Reed?   

 

Well, you can’t deny that some guys just step up. 3-0 singles isn’t a blip. I get the Spieth pairing thing but then again, 5 of his 7 matches he was paired with him. That’s just how it’s been.

 

It’s been tough for the US to find proven RC closers. I mean, our seemingly best guys don’t get it done. 
 

RC is obviously a different paradigm for us. 

 

Look at Euros. You got Sergio and Poults, they aren’t known as super clutch in strike play but put them in the RC and they make the big putts when they need to.

 

Kinda like Reed stuffing Rory here. I mean, how many of our guys have stepped up like this in the RC?

 

 

 

 

 

[ShowMe]

27 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Have you ever considered the idea that since Reed is 3-0 in singles and JT is 1-0 while Spieth is 0-3 maybe it was Thomas and Reed that carried his sorry rear in partners play?
 

Maybe YJS is the weak link?

Some guys might play better in the team matches and some might play better in the singles matches.

 

Like I said, though, there are 4 team matches and 1 singles match.  The logical move it to err on the side of the guys who do well in the team matches.

 

Regarding PR, go back and look at his two team matches with Tiger in the last Cup.  PR couldn't keep his ball on the planet.

[dcmidnight]

Geez I dont want to keep bashing Reed - OK thats a lie, I really do - but as awesome as this match was, it was one match 5 years ago. You know who else played well in that RC - Zach Johnson and Rickie...and I wouldnt want either one of those guys on the team right now.

 

Someone make a serious argument about who you would pull off the team and show me their record the last few months side by side with Reed's. Is there a quantitative argument to be made? Or is it just hey Reed made this great putt back in 2016 and remember how awesome it was that everyone cheered for him.

[Naptime]

I am more positive about Billy Horschel.  Cross the pond and win a high profile tournament against some eventual European Ryder Cuppers.  If SS needs a sub, I think BH has earned a spot.  And his RC whine was pretty tame.

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, ShowMe said:

Well, there are 4 team matches and 1 singles match.  Where I went to school, 4>1.  

 

I'd rather have a guy who could go 4-1 (or even 2-3), as opposed to Patrick Reed who would go 1-4 if he wasn't partnered with Jordan Spieth in the team matches.  Duh.

 

You Patrick Reed fanboys are letting your emotions overcome logic.  - Spock

 

Youre stating that,

 

“Patrick Reed who would go 1-4 if he wasn't partnered with Jordan Spieth in the team matches.  Duh.”

 

I’m surprised you make such a claim and state it as fact/a certainty. 

 

 

[bscinstnct]

Just now, Naptime said:

I am more positive about Billy Horschel.  Cross the pond and win a high profile tournament against some eventual European Ryder Cuppers.  If SS needs a sub, I think BH has earned a spot.  And his RC whine was pretty tame.

 

Ya! And make the octopus pants the theme of our uniforms this year!

 

 

[CaseyC]

1 hour ago, ShowMe said:

 

 The guy "ALMOST DIED" (according to him) a few weeks ago from double pneumonia (and the boogie woogie flu). 

 

 

 

As a complete aside.

 

"Don't try to lay no boogie woogie on the King of Rock and Roll...

 

Oh and this is the guy Elton John got his last name from...

 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2021 by CaseyC

[MattyO1984]

16 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Ya! And make the octopus pants the theme of our uniforms this year!

 

 

 

Octopus you say? With those hands going everywhere, I thought that they were Thorbjorn Olsen pants, my mistake.

[bscinstnct]

11 minutes ago, dcmidnight said:

Geez I dont want to keep bashing Reed - OK thats a lie, I really do - but as awesome as this match was, it was one match 5 years ago. You know who else played well in that RC - Zach Johnson and Rickie...and I wouldnt want either one of those guys on the team right now.

 

Someone make a serious argument about who you would pull off the team and show me their record the last few months side by side with Reed's. Is there a quantitative argument to be made? Or is it just hey Reed made this great putt back in 2016 and remember how awesome it was that everyone cheered for him.

 

Well, at least you’re honest 🤣

 

Yes, that’s one match but 7-3-2 and undefeated singles. 
 

Combined with him being a top 10 player for the past 2 years until just a month or so ago, I just think most guys would get picked out of respect. 
 

But, you make a good point. Who do you leave off?

 

Would have to be Scheff. Playing well lately but not like, “man, this guy is killing it”.

And even with PR illness he finished ahead of him in owgr. And they both played equally mediocre in the FedEx tournaments. 

[ShowMe]

23 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Youre stating that,

 

“Patrick Reed who would go 1-4 if he wasn't partnered with Jordan Spieth in the team matches.  Duh.”

 

I’m surprised you make such a claim and state it as fact/a certainty. 

 

 

Good point.  Given that Reed almost died a few weeks ago, he probably could only play in one of the team matches, but it would have to be on the first day so he had enough time to rest up for the singles matches.  So he would go 1-1, at best.  That's my opinion, btw.  My crystal ball is broken.

[ShowMe]

22 minutes ago, CaseyC said:

 

As a complete aside.

 

"Don't try to lay no boogie woogie on the King of Rock and Roll...

 

Oh and this is the guy Elton John got his last name from...

 

 

 

 

Lol.  Long John Baldry?  Wasn't he a porn star?  

[Shilgy]

33 minutes ago, ShowMe said:

Some guys might play better in the team matches and some might play better in the singles matches.

 

Like I said, though, there are 4 team matches and 1 singles match.  The logical move it to err on the side of the guys who do well in the team matches.

 

Regarding PR, go back and look at his two team matches with Tiger in the last Cup.  PR couldn't keep his ball on the planet.

[dcmidnight]

I also try to look at this through the lens of what Tiger would have done in a similar situation.

 

Lets say it was close like this and Tiger was left off the team. He would have been on the grind the next day, he would have been posting pictures of him on the practice green or in the gym or swimming laps or hitting a million balls and saying - Hey if someone goes down, put me in coach, I'm ready to play, I hit 800 7 irons in my back yard today. Something like that.

 

No whiny BS about being passed over. No subterfuge or hot garbage from his social media "team" like we saw from Reed - 100% he would be out there showing Stricker that he was ready to rock and roll if he needed a sub.

 

Reed could have done that. But he went with the whiny crybaby routine instead - and he did it knowing full well Stricker may in fact need a sub!

 

Get this guy out of here.

Edited September 13, 2021 by dcmidnight

[BlackDiamondPar5]

13 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Well, at least you’re honest 🤣

 

Yes, that’s one match but 7-3-2 and undefeated singles. 
 

Combined with him being a top 10 player for the past 2 years until just a month or so ago, I just think most guys would get picked out of respect. 
 

But, you make a good point. Who do you leave off?

 

Would have to be Scheff. Playing well lately but not like, “man, this guy is killing it”.

And even with PR illness he finished ahead of him in owgr. And they both played equally mediocre in the FedEx tournaments. 

But Sheff improved his OWGR ranking during 2021 where is Reed went the other way.  Scheff also had 8 top tens this year and Reed 6.

If you're willing to say Reed and Scheff are equally on the bubble, what counts more? What someone did years ago or more recently?  If they are still equally on the bubble then what next? Locker room influence?  Reed will lose that one hence you go w/Scheff. 

 

Like I said before, there's plenty of quantitative data from 2021 that supports the Captains for not selecting Reed.   

Edited September 13, 2021 by BlackDiamondPar5

[ShowMe]

4 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

 

Spieth is 7-2-2 in team matches.

[ShowMe]

1 minute ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

But Sheff improved his OWGR ranking during 2021 where is Reed went the other way.  Scheff also had 8 top tens this year and Reed 6.

If you're willing to say Reed and Scheff are equally on the bubble, what counts more? What someone did years ago or more recently?  If their still equally on the bubble then what next? Locker room influence?  Reed will lose that one hence you go w/Scheff. 

 

Like I said before, there's plenty of quantitative data from 2021 that supports the Captains for not selecting Reed.   

Nice!  Even emotional arguments can't overcome the factual data.

[bscinstnct]

8 minutes ago, ShowMe said:

Good point.  Given that Reed almost died a few weeks ago, he probably could only play in one of the team matches, but it would have to be on the first day so he had enough time to rest up for the singles matches.  So he would go 1-1, at best.  That's my opinion, btw.  My crystal ball is broken.

There you go…you’re opinion he only plays one pairing. Your opinion he loses.

 

To get to the level of being consistently ranked in the top-10 on the planet does not come to the faint of heart.

 

Guy had double pneumonia, then plays 2 weeks in a row. 
 

Elite pro athletes have an extra gear.

 

Never heard of the Flu Game?

 

 

[Hawkeye77]

1 hour ago, Shilgy said:

Have you ever considered the idea that since Reed is 3-0 in singles and JT is 1-0 while Spieth is 0-3 maybe it was Thomas and Reed that carried his sorry rear in partners play?
 

Maybe YJS is the weak link?

OR …. YJS is good in team play?