New Mizuno MPs just announced! Mizuno Pro 221/223/225

[ewaldbeukes]

2 hours ago, Tigercogz said:

Hey all 

 

So I’m about to make the switch to the 223 irons from the titleist t100 irons. I only just orders them and haven’t discussed specs with my builder. The lofts are 2 degrees stronger and the lie angles are pretty different. I play to titleist standard lie angles 

 

has anyone done this switch and changed the lofts and lie angles. I can deal with the lofts, but it seems the lie angle Change-changes the offset.

 

would love feedback if anyone has done the same and the build you sent with 

 

tia

mizuno 

4 22 60 0.138 38.5

5 25 60.5 0.134 38

6 28 61 0.13 37.5

7 32 61.5 0.122 37

8 36 62 0.114 36.5

9 41 62.5 0.106 36

PW46 63 0.098 35.5

 

Titleist 

4 iron loft 24 lie 61.5

5 Iron loft 27 lie 62

6 iron loft 30 lie 62.5

7 iron loft 34 lie 63

8 iron loft 38 lie 63.5

9 iron loft 42 lie 64

Pw iron loft 46 lie 64

Hi,

 

Lie angle wont impact offset. However, the lie angles between Mizuno (historically very flat) and Titleist (upright ) are going to be different. They also measure the lengths slightly differently so the ones 37" shaft is not 100% same as the other. Might be worth trying to dial in the lie and length first and then do a gapping test with your fitter before adjusting lofts. When you adjust loft, you will alter the bounce angle. Work on 1 degree stronger loft - 1 degree more offset and the opposite being 1 degree weaker (ie 46 to 47) adds bounce. 1-2 degrees of bounce shouldn't make a massive difference to playability.

 

If you can work with your fitter all the better, otherwise hope the above gives a starting point for your questions. 

[mcc0819]

Now with the season over (atleast here in northeast Ohio) anyone with a season long review on the 223’s?  I was recently fit for them at True Spec.  I went into the fitting not even considering it but ended up being the clear winner amongst a lot that included Zx7, t100/t100s, callaway x forged cb, Miura TC201, and TM P7mc.  I won’t bore you with numbers but the launch conditions with the 223 was second to none for me.  Shafted with the project x ls 6.5 and 1* degree flat I was pleasantly surprised just how great they performed.  I’m coming from Miura CB57 so I’m familiar with incredible feel and the 223s are right up there when struck in the middle 

[JStang]

12 hours ago, Tigercogz said:

Hey all 

 

So I’m about to make the switch to the 223 irons from the titleist t100 irons. I only just orders them and haven’t discussed specs with my builder. The lofts are 2 degrees stronger and the lie angles are pretty different. I play to titleist standard lie angles 

 

has anyone done this switch and changed the lofts and lie angles. I can deal with the lofts, but it seems the lie angle Change-changes the offset.

 

would love feedback if anyone has done the same and the build you sent with 

 

tia

mizuno 

4 22 60 0.138 38.5

5 25 60.5 0.134 38

6 28 61 0.13 37.5

7 32 61.5 0.122 37

8 36 62 0.114 36.5

9 41 62.5 0.106 36

PW46 63 0.098 35.5

 

Titleist 

4 iron loft 24 lie 61.5

5 Iron loft 27 lie 62

6 iron loft 30 lie 62.5

7 iron loft 34 lie 63

8 iron loft 38 lie 63.5

9 iron loft 42 lie 64

Pw iron loft 46 lie 64

 

Lie angle doesn't change the offset. Changing loft does. If you also adjust lie angle, it will slightly effect length. 

[T_Golf_23]

12 hours ago, mcc0819 said:

Now with the season over (atleast here in northeast Ohio) anyone with a season long review on the 223’s?  I was recently fit for them at True Spec.  I went into the fitting not even considering it but ended up being the clear winner amongst a lot that included Zx7, t100/t100s, callaway x forged cb, Miura TC201, and TM P7mc.  I won’t bore you with numbers but the launch conditions with the 223 was second to none for me.  Shafted with the project x ls 6.5 and 1* degree flat I was pleasantly surprised just how great they performed.  I’m coming from Miura CB57 so I’m familiar with incredible feel and the 223s are right up there when struck in the middle 

Sold my 223…. I was sure they were going to be the ones this year. Ended up gaming the MC501 and Apex TCB. 
 

my winter clubs are the MP225…. I still think these are the best players distance irons ever. The incredible ease of play gives them such an edge over the 223. 

[mcc0819]

3 minutes ago, T_Golf_23 said:

Sold my 223…. I was sure they were going to be the ones this year. Ended up gaming the MC501 and Apex TCB. 
 

my winter clubs are the MP225…. I still think these are the best players distance irons ever. The incredible ease of play gives them such an edge over the 223. 

Sorry to hear that.  What was it about the 223 that convinced got it wasn’t the right fit? I tried the 225 in my fitting and it just went too far.  I don’t want to hit a 7 iron 190 yards.  I also didn’t want to bend it weak because i don’t want to mess with the bounce. 

[T_Golf_23]

6 minutes ago, mcc0819 said:

Sorry to hear that.  What was it about the 223 that convinced got it wasn’t the right fit? I tried the 225 in my fitting and it just went too far.  I don’t want to hit a 7 iron 190 yards.  I also didn’t want to bend it weak because i don’t want to mess with the bounce. 

I play my 225 here in the northeast now that it’s 40-45* during the day. So my distance now is just the same as when I play my gammers in the summer. 
 

the 223 were just too inconsistent between the shorter and longer irons. I almost needed a different shaft to play the long irons vs short irons. The modus 115 shaft worked great for the 4-7 irons, but the 8-G were to spinny, high and short. 
 

it’s not that they are bad irons, they felt awesome, I just needed a more consistent set up across the set. 
 

the MC501 and Apex TCB are such consistent irons for me. They too feel amazing. 

[mcc0819]

4 minutes ago, T_Golf_23 said:

I play my 225 here in the northeast now that it’s 40-45* during the day. So my distance now is just the same as when I play my gammers in the summer. 
 

the 223 were just too inconsistent between the shorter and longer irons. I almost needed a different shaft to play the long irons vs short irons. The modus 115 shaft worked great for the 4-7 irons, but the 8-G were to spinny, high and short. 
 

it’s not that they are bad irons, they felt awesome, I just needed a more consistent set up across the set. 
 

the MC501 and Apex TCB are such consistent irons for me. They too feel amazing. 

Thanks for the feedback.  Glad to hear you found something that works for you!  Hopefully the 223’s treat me a bit better.  I’ll be building it myself so I’m going to make sure specs are down the a T. 

[T_Golf_23]

1 minute ago, mcc0819 said:

Thanks for the feedback.  Glad to hear you found something that works for you!  Hopefully the 223’s treat me a bit better.  I’ll be building it myself so I’m going to make sure specs are down the a T. 

Specs were spot on… I would sample the 6 or 7 with a shaft and then the 9 as well before shafting up the whole set. 
 

the different head construction is affected differently by the same shaft. 

[mcc0819]

Just now, T_Golf_23 said:

Specs were spot on… I would sample the 6 or 7 with a shaft and then the 9 as well before shafting up the whole set. 
 

the different head construction is affected differently by the same shaft. 

Yeah from what I’ve read a lot of players have had issues with that.  But there are also a bunch of who have no issue.  Luckily in my fitting I was able to try a 9 and 6 iron with no problem.  Both has the same shaft.  There was a slightly different feel off the face between the two but didn’t bother me too much at the time. 

[JZ75]

1 hour ago, mcc0819 said:

Yeah from what I’ve read a lot of players have had issues with that.  But there are also a bunch of who have no issue.  Luckily in my fitting I was able to try a 9 and 6 iron with no problem.  Both has the same shaft.  There was a slightly different feel off the face between the two but didn’t bother me too much at the time. 

I've got a year on the 223's and am really happy with them.  I am playing 1 degree weak in 4i - 9i and for a low spin guy they hold greens way better than the 0311P's I had before.  For some reason I don't like the W.  I've been thinking it's the offset but the comments above have me thinking I should bring them to the shop and have the loft and swing weight checked. 

 

Of course as a club ho I've been eyeing the JPX 923 Tours which I don't think I am good enough to play and the i230's.  I thought the i230's might be a bit more forgiving but based on my testing so far they are not. 

[drbonesvt]

Long term anyone go mb620 to 221 ???

 

long time titliest player , undercover mizunio fanboy 

[me05501]

Lots of these sets popping up in the classifieds lately. Interesting. 

[Mr_Wolfe]

On 12/20/2022 at 10:03 AM, me05501 said:

Lots of these sets popping up in the classifieds lately. Interesting. 

That's because it's WRX! Off to try something else! lol

 

225's are best irons I have played.

 

Mr. Wolfe

[golfgolfguru]

221 forgiveness compared to older player cbs like mp64? 

[Tigercogz]

Hey 

 

so I decided on 221/223 combo set

 

i played the x100 in the past. 
 

loved the way the modus 120x felt, numbers were spot on etc. My club builder is suggesting the 125x but I can’t hit the set up. 
 

Anyone switch from the x100 to the modus or play the 120x vs 125x

 

Feedback is greatly appreciated.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Tigercogz

[Tigercogz]

On 5/28/2022 at 11:42 AM, Red4282 said:

Alright these are still on my mind. Thinking combo set. I know i want 221 short irons but on the fence between 223 and 225 long and mid irons. Ive hit both, but it was demo 7 irons. The 223 was no surprises, exactly what i thought it would be. The 225 shocked me a bit though, mainly the feel. It felt great. The 225 also pleases my eye a little better aesthetically especially for a combo set. Im a little worried about the 225 long irons though. The blade lengths according to the site get pretty big and im usually hate a big wide chunky sole on a long iron. I would also be bending them weak which would also add some bounce which I dont love either. Has anyone combo'd up and what have you found in testing and on the course? Scratch golfer here, just for reference. 

Hey 

 

just wondering if you went with 225 or 223 in the higher irons? I’m doing the 221 7-pw

 

How do you like the combo if so and what shafts did you go with 

[Red4282]

2 hours ago, Tigercogz said:

Hey 

 

just wondering if you went with 225 or 223 in the higher irons? I’m doing the 221 7-pw

 

How do you like the combo if so and what shafts did you go with 

I never ended up with this and stuck with my callaways. As much as i like the mizunos, they made it a pain to blend or combo. To be honest the best combo is probably the 223 straight across but its downfall is its the ugly ducking of the three.

[Red4282]

4 hours ago, Tigercogz said:

Hey 

 

so I decided on 221/223 combo set

 

i played the x100 in the past. 
 

loved the way the modus 120x felt, numbers were spot on etc. My club builder is suggesting the 125x but I can’t hit the set up. 
 

Anyone switch from the x100 to the modus or play the 120x vs 125x

 

Feedback is greatly appreciated.

The x100 is 130g shaft, 120 modus is 120. 125x may be the better comparison, or the 120tx.

[Tigercogz]

58 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

The x100 is 130g shaft, 120 modus is 120. 125x may be the better comparison, or the 120tx.

 

Yes that’s why I was torn, I like how soft it felt in tbe hands, not as rigid. But the tx is probably a good alternative. I assume the handle will feel the same 

[NRJyzr]

28 minutes ago, Tigercogz said:

 

Yes that’s why I was torn, I like how soft it felt in tbe hands, not as rigid. But the tx is probably a good alternative. I assume the handle will feel the same 

 

Modus 120 X is about a flex softer than DGX.  It's one of the fun aspects of playing in the Modus 120 sandbox.  😉

 

[JStang]

Modus 125X is listed as a 129.5g shaft so same weight as X100. I have read it's basically the same bend profile. Should be the closest thing in the Modus lineup to X100. 

[DaRiz]

On 11/22/2022 at 7:45 PM, JZ75 said:

I've got a year on the 223's and am really happy with them.  I am playing 1 degree weak in 4i - 9i and for a low spin guy they hold greens way better than the 0311P's I had before.  For some reason I don't like the W.  I've been thinking it's the offset but the comments above have me thinking I should bring them to the shop and have the loft and swing weight checked. 

 

Of course as a club ho I've been eyeing the JPX 923 Tours which I don't think I am good enough to play and the i230's.  I thought the i230's might be a bit more forgiving but based on my testing so far they are not. 

 

I am in love with the GW, so much so that I don't even want to go back to regular MPs. I play the whole set like 1-2 weak so I think my GW is 52. Unlike others who said it played short, it actually went too far for me (all the clubs did, coming from MP4s)

[JZ75]

4 hours ago, DaRiz said:

 

I am in love with the GW, so much so that I don't even want to go back to regular MPs. I play the whole set like 1-2 weak so I think my GW is 52. Unlike others who said it played short, it actually went too far for me (all the clubs did, coming from MP4s)

I’m liking the PW more now that I had the loft checked and fixed.  It was 47.

 

 Just to clarify, my 9i is 1 degree weak (40 degrees) so I had a 7 degree gap.  No bueno.

Edited December 23, 2022 by JZ75
Clarified lofts

[T_Golf_23]

On 12/21/2022 at 4:41 PM, Mr_Wolfe said:

That's because it's WRX! Off to try something else! lol

 

225's are best irons I have played.

 

Mr. Wolfe

Mizuno hit a home run with the 225.

 

i have not seen another players distance irons built in such a compete flow set. The short irons have a top line on par with some blades. They are thinner than the 223. 
 

it’s going to be hard for anyone to compete with these. 

[T_Golf_23]

On 12/21/2022 at 6:18 PM, golfgolfguru said:

221 forgiveness compared to older player cbs like mp64? 

The 221 are insanely unforgiving. They are tiny pure blades.
 

No comparison to the likes of Wilson Staff Blade or Miura MC501 or Ping i59….. all substantially more giving blade and blade like irons. My gamers are the 501 and I can even handle the 3 iron…. 
 

you have to find the center all day on the 221 or it’s going to be a very long day. I struggled with the 5 iron on this set… 

[T_Golf_23]

On 11/22/2022 at 10:45 PM, JZ75 said:

I've got a year on the 223's and am really happy with them.  I am playing 1 degree weak in 4i - 9i and for a low spin guy they hold greens way better than the 0311P's I had before.  For some reason I don't like the W.  I've been thinking it's the offset but the comments above have me thinking I should bring them to the shop and have the loft and swing weight checked. 

 

Of course as a club ho I've been eyeing the JPX 923 Tours which I don't think I am good enough to play and the i230's.  I thought the i230's might be a bit more forgiving but based on my testing so far they are not. 

Everyone is going bonkers over the i230…..  

 

can you elaborate a little more on you experienced with the i230 vs 223.

 

thanks! 

[Tree Levino]

13 hours ago, Tigercogz said:

 

Yes that’s why I was torn, I like how soft it felt in tbe hands, not as rigid. But the tx is probably a good alternative. I assume the handle will feel the same 

The TX is a different profile. It is substantially stiffer. Doesn’t even feel like remotely the same shaft. 125x is technically the dynamic gold profile but the balance point is higher. In my experience they spun more than x100 and felt a bit softer. I did not like them as much as x100 and balance feels pretty different. The old SPB felt nicer. 120x is my favourite of that bunch feel wise but the flight doesn’t seem to fight my minds eye when I play them. I hit them well enough but they’re a bit loose feeling and on course you might notice a quicker tempo will result in some greater dispersion. If you’re smooth and on plane it’s a wonderful shaft. 
 

The 221 is a nice iron. I found them easy to hit. They aren’t not forgiving compared to a 223 or T100 but for a blade they’re pretty good. Can’t be making bad passes at it but the feel and control are delicious. I will say that if your miss is left you might find the full set of 223 better. Had a full set of 223 and 6-P in the 221 and found the 223 straighter and nicer to play overall. 

[SE Gamer]

14 hours ago, Red4282 said:

I never ended up with this and stuck with my callaways. As much as i like the mizunos, they made it a pain to blend or combo. To be honest the best combo is probably the 223 straight across but its downfall is its the ugly ducking of the three.

 

I sampled the 221, 223, and 225 early in the year (along with similar irons from the other big brand). I didn't think the looks of the 223 were bad. And for me, they actually felt the best out of the bunch. 

 

Ended up having GolfWorks build me a TS1 7i to test out a little more long term. Outstanding club, but was holding out for their revision of it. In the interim I stumbled across a Rogue ST Pro set for a good price. Was a real dark horse for me when I demo'd all the PD type irons earlier in the year. And I really loved the stock PX Rifle Tour Flighted shaft. So I pulled the trigger.

 

Still, had it not been for how good the TS1 is for the money, and the sleeper ST Pro, the 223 would have been at the top of my list.

 

 

 

 

[Red4282]

9 hours ago, SE Gamer said:

 

I sampled the 221, 223, and 225 early in the year (along with similar irons from the other big brand). I didn't think the looks of the 223 were bad. And for me, they actually felt the best out of the bunch. 

 

Ended up having GolfWorks build me a TS1 7i to test out a little more long term. Outstanding club, but was holding out for their revision of it. In the interim I stumbled across a Rogue ST Pro set for a good price. Was a real dark horse for me when I demo'd all the PD type irons earlier in the year. And I really loved the stock PX Rifle Tour Flighted shaft. So I pulled the trigger.

 

Still, had it not been for how good the TS1 is for the money, and the sleeper ST Pro, the 223 would have been at the top of my list.

 

 

 

 

Ah, well I mean ugly ducking in the sense if bag appeal. I know I know, big whoop. My other issue that held me back was the microslotted mid irons. 6 and 7 iron is still a relatively “control” iron for me, so a springy distance face isnt what Im really looking for there. 4 and 5 iron, I could accept that.

Edited December 23, 2022 by Red4282

[JZ75]

Prior to heading southwest for the winter, I  hit the 223 against the i230 in my clubs simulator alot.   The i230s look better behind the ball to me.  To me the i230 blade is a hair longer but behind the ball it doesn’t look that way.  This is coming from a guy who is sensitive to long blade length and offset.  Performance wise the 7i’s are really close.  The 223 feel slightly better when hit well but it is pretty close to me.

 

Other than being a ho there are a few reasons why I am making a switch (more on that later).  A lot has to do with prior i210 experiance. I had a set of i210’s that I gave a 2 month try last winter and ultimately bought 223’s because the 223 7i carried the number I wanted 160-165 as apposed to the i210 that was a really consisent 155 carry  for me.   The 223’s were new too.  The i230’s are dead even with 223 and consistent on distance.

 

I also feel like I played better with the i210’s.  The short irons look better and for some reason they are just better IMO.  I am really hoping the i230’s are the same.  I don’t know what it is but Ping makes a really good short iron.  I definitely noticed that the long irons are more forgiving.

 

So I am kinda extrapolating a lot of i210 stuff to the i230s. I’m getting fit on the 28th.  Totally expect the 223s to get kicked out of my bag. Trying to keep an open mind about other option as the last time I probably made the wrong decision when I chose the 223 over the i210.  Excited to see if a graphite shaft can work as my elbow was a problem 2 years ago and I want to avoid future issues as I near 50.