LIV with some big money announcements (*** TOPIC MODERATED ***)

[Creedo77]

2 hours ago, CaseyC said:

https://www.golfmagic.com/liv-golf/5-players-be-axed-liv-golf-invitational-series-already

 

5 PLAYERS TO BE AXED BY THE LIV GOLF INVITATIONAL SERIES ALREADY...

 

7th, 13th,18th in the first LIV event apparently isn't good enough to keep your LIV card......

Oliver Bekker was only a 1 event deal. 

[idrive]

1 hour ago, Oneput said:

At the Portland event, all the LIV participants could not wipe smile off their face. Hardly even seen so many smiley faces (staged?) at a competitive event!

 

Of course. No pressure. Already paid ridiculous money. Make more silly money for taking last. What they're doing is laughing at GN.

5 hours ago, CCTxGolf said:

There is no difference. I’m tired of people picking and choosing their virtue signaling. You can’t have it both ways. That’s the problem with the world in general.

 

I'm glad someone has the answers. Congratulations.

 

2 hours ago, lowheel said:

LOL talk about saying nothing... the picture of him is a walking billboard. He does have all the money in the world as is. Of course hed still play golf what else would he do? I like the guy but talk about saying nothing and pretending its deep.. All the guys saying they dont play for money dont give back their prize money... strange

 

You're defending the money grab of the century. Guys being paid millions and millions, for doing NOTHING but showing up (less than) once a month.

 

And then put down a player(s) that has worked damn hard to win a tournament and put him down for not donating his pay check?  Really?  Getting darn silly and a few adjectives I wish I could post around here.

 

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by idrive

[ChipStrokes]

13 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

Protestors have every right to disrupt the exhibition at Bedminister.

 

they have every right to stand outside, off of private property, and protest. 

 

but they absolutely don’t have the right to disrupt a ticketed event on private property. 

Edited July 27, 2022 by ChipStrokes

[lowheel]

2 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

Protestors have every right to disrupt the exhibition at Bedminister.

 

No they dont, its private property.

[khalespace]

1 hour ago, Oneput said:

At the Portland event, all the LIV participants could not wipe smile off their face. Hardly even seen so many smiley faces (staged?) at a competitive event!

McGregor vs Mayweather, both were laughing so hard with the PPV money. 

[mitchl]

3 hours ago, CCTxGolf said:

I think LIV players trying to “tear down, compete against, and minimize the PGAT” is being quite dramatic. The PGAT might consider allowing them to play in their events because 1) they want the highest level of golfers in their events and 2) they are qualified to play in their events.

 

These type of exhibition style tournaments are nothing new. If the PGAT wanted to play ball it would have been great for both parties.

 
if the PGA tour allows these players to come back freely when they have broken their membership agreements, how does that keep anyone in the PGA tour from breaking their agreements everyday?   The agreement is for the protection and benefit of the fellow members as much as it is for the company of the PGA Tour.

 

also some of these players resigned their membership so they won’t be involved in any battle.    
 

which LIV players are even wanting to come back and play their 15 events a year in the PGA Tour.   Only Phil is a lifetime member who doesn’t need to play the 15 event minimum…. Not sure that Phil is interested in playing any Thursdays and Friday’s just to miss a cut.

Edited July 27, 2022 by mitchl

[idrive]

3 hours ago, CCTxGolf said:

I think LIV players trying to “tear down, compete against, and minimize the PGAT” is being quite dramatic. The PGAT might consider allowing them to play in their events because 1) they want the highest level of golfers in their events and 2) they are qualified to play in their events.

 

 

 

1) liv has very few of the "highest level of golfers" atm.

2) they are not qualified.

 

Please explain how they are qualified. I would suggest you do your homework before you try and answer that.

 

It's not the players that are trying to “tear down, compete against, and minimize the PGAT”

 

It's Greg Norman

[dalehead]

3 hours ago, BombinJim said:

And everyone’s contract for millions will be terminated

Hmm, got me thinking. Did the LIV players get their money up front or is it paid out over the life of the contract? Did DJ get  check for $150 million or does he get $37.5 million a year for 4 years? And what if SA pulled the plug after 2 years? Good luck suing SA and collecting. What laws govern the contracts, the laws of Saudi Arabia?

[theodoreb]

7 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

Let me help you ... FedEx is doing business in Saudi Arabia similar to Nicklaus Design doing business in Saudi Arabia. Fedex is not funding a rival golf league whose sole purpose is to destroy the PGA Tour. 

 

But if you keep beating the same drum, someone might listen. 

No one is destroying your precious PGA other than the players that are leaving for greener pastures. Get used to it as more will be “destroying” your tour after the fedex.

Edited July 27, 2022 by theodoreb

[theodoreb]

5 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

This is indisputable and repeated ad nauseam in the 450 pages of this thread. The PGA Tour will never work with Norman - end of story.

You sure about that? I think the lesson that liv has taught us all is that anything is possible.

[dalehead]

1 hour ago, ChipStrokes said:

they have every right to stand outside, off

of private property, and protest. 

 

but they absolutely don’t have the right to disrupt a ticketed event on private property. 

And what if they bought tickets and protested on the course? Send in security and have them removed. The Kingdom would love seeing that video on the evening news and social media.

[PorkChopExpress]

38 minutes ago, dalehead said:

And what if they bought tickets and protested on the course? Send in security and have them removed. The Kingdom would love seeing that video on the evening news and social media.

 

There was a lot of security in Portland, lots. 

 

Not a single person protested and we're the protest capital of the world lol

[Dicka]

What will people's opinions be if the owner of the property of this week's tournament is seen swanning around with Norman...patting each other's backs and having a hoot of a time? 

 

Me? I'll have my head in a bucket.

[NormanFan]

4 hours ago, aus10KC said:

 

What?!? Good play isn't rewarded? Color me shocked.

 

That's the thing about these fields and LIV's direction.  Someone like Phil will be a draw so he can stink it up every week and still get paid.  However, if you are a player who is getting top 15s and not drawing eyeballs, you can be cut in a flash.

[avrag]

13 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Would be akin to a United States billionaire buying all the European football teams and players  , shortening the field by half , changing the rules to allow  offsides , cut the clock in half and making the  Goal twice as big so that no keeper could cover it.

You might be surprised, but a lot of European football fans, especially in countries outside of the top 5, feel that this has already happened because of the Champions League, which has become a closed shop due to the guaranteed spots for not only the champions, but also the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and sometimes 5th placed teams of the big 5.
You might not know this, but before the Champions League, there was the European Champions Cup, and in this, all the champion teams from all the leagues competed in a pure knock out tournament. There was a similar competition for all the national cup winners and a similar competition for all the 2nd and 3rd placed teams, called the UEFA Cup at the time.
Of course, this meant that over two games in knock out format, upsets were possible, and if a team from a smaller country and league had a really good year, they could reach the semifinals or even finals of such a competition with a little bit of luck. Which meant money and more options for their players to maybe transfer to a bigger league. The current system, which was devised by having markets outside of Europe in mind (Asia, Middle East, and the US), these surprises are kept to a minimum, because the big investors want predictability.
This is pretty much gone now. The biggest teams are set in stone, they dominate their own national leagues because of the huge sums they get from the Champions League (both in prize money and in advertising money) and they dominate the CL as well. What is even worse is the impact on smaller national leagues, my own country Austria being the prime example. If a billionaire supports one club like Salzburg, they have limited success on the European stage, but still dominate at a national level in the most ridiculouis way, which makes the national championship a farce.

So one could argue that it happened already in European football, based on business interests based on the world market. Now it happens to golf, and the Asian (betting) market is bigger in both sports than the markets, in which the sports first blossomed. Might be tough to swallow for an American, but facts are facts.

[avrag]

4 hours ago, RobS said:

Stenson signed an agreement that effectively didn't allow him to join LIV and remain captain of the team.

Are you sure, that there was a signed agreement for the Ryder Cup captain, which said that?
All I can imagine is an agreement, which includes a commitment to certain number of events on the European Tour. Much like what Sergio Garcia claims at the moment. And how did Stenson's LIV contract make it "effectively" impossible to honour both? Which tournaments he has to participate in are scheduled at the same time?

[bscinstnct]

Greg Norman be like 

 

We’re a closed shop

 

Until someone half way appealing wants to join

 

🤣

 

 

[Ghost of Snead]

9 hours ago, lowheel said:

No they dont, its private property.

 

They don't need to be on the property to disrupt but you already know that. 

 

10 hours ago, Hocus_Pocus said:

Maybe doing the same thing - but not near as happy or wealthy or fixed financially for life! 

 

Not near as happy ? How would you possibly know that ? 

 

Maybe not tied by contract to the Saudis makes him happy - and he'll have plenty of wealth and will be fixed financially unless he pisses it all away like Mickelson. 

[bscinstnct]

Not sure if an event “in the shadow” of the former twin towers was a good idea.

 

 

 

 

“My father was a scratch golfer,” Crowther told The Post on Tuesday at a press conference held by 911familiesunited.org at Clarence Dillon Library in Bedminster. “My husband was a banker, so [golf] is what they did. Welles loved golf, too.”

 

“If I could talk to [the players from LIV Golf] I would that say I’m horrified they could be bought. It’s not like [Phil Mickelson and others] are struggling [financially]. That they could be morally compromised by money from a source such as this, I find it appalling. I find it a testament to their own character, which is unsatisfactory.”

 

https://nypost.com/2022/07/26/families-of-9-11-victims-decry-liv-golf-before-nj-debut/amp/

[bladehunter]

7 hours ago, dalehead said:

Hmm, got me thinking. Did the LIV players get their money up front or is it paid out over the life of the contract? Did DJ get  check for $150 million or does he get $37.5 million a year for 4 years? And what if SA pulled the plug after 2 years? Good luck suing SA and collecting. What laws govern the contracts, the laws of Saudi Arabia?

Yep. I asked this at the beginning.  Doesn’t seem to be a known thing.  But how do you go to Saudi Arabia and sue the princes parent sport  company in court ?  The answer is. You can’t.  

[bladehunter]

7 hours ago, theodoreb said:

No one is destroying your precious PGA other than the players that are leaving for greener pastures. Get used to it as more will be “destroying” your tour after the fedex.

Why is this a thing your happy about ?  I detect some glee in that statement. 

[Fuscinator]

On 7/3/2022 at 10:42 AM, BottleCap said:

Troy Mullins really opened my eyes on how bad the CBS and NBC coverage teams are

Love her interviews. And she's only going to get even better. 

[aus10KC]

It has come up a few times and some presume these guys only play for money. Here is Eddie Pepperell who is like 500 in the world so LIV wouldn't be interested in him anyway except as a temporary filler. Anyway, he talks about not playing for money, however when he does play well money is a by product from that allowing him to do what he loves.

 

https://golf.com/news/eddie-pepperell-on-liv-golf-defections-and-why-hell-never-join/

 

Some guys are all about the $$$ and others are not. 

 

I'm sure Bubba Watson will sign, he is 43 and is coming off knee surgery. Perfect guy for LIV, has a big social media presence and two time masters champ. 

[cardoustie]

I think the PGA Tour issue going forward is how marketable are their events when JT and Rory take time off?  Will get worse if they grab more big names

 

The event last weekend was a zero leaderboard without Finau … I’d have rather watched LIV if it was on .. sad but true.  

 

this is where the tours could co-exist with proper scheduling in my opinion 

 

interesting times

[mitchl]

8 hours ago, dalehead said:

Hmm, got me thinking. Did the LIV players get their money up front or is it paid out over the life of the contract? Did DJ get  check for $150 million or does he get $37.5 million a year for 4 years? And what if SA pulled the plug after 2 years? Good luck suing SA and collecting. What laws govern the contracts, the laws of Saudi Arabia?

there is an article linked a few pages back which goes into that.   Some have said it is 60% up front, but the article indicates the big ones are broken out more equally over the years.  
what is interesting is the agents get up to 20% of the appearance/signing/upfront money… which is a higher percentage than they get of prize money, so agents are pushing hard for moving clients to LIV.

Also, if they miss tournaments, even for illness/injury, they may have to pay a portion of that money back.   the players for all the less play and freedom to make schedules …. They don’t have that.   They need to schedule any personal events around the LIV dates.    Since the team thing gets messed up if someone can’t make it, it probably isn’t as simple as giv8ng back the multimillion dollar appearance money for that event so you can have your personal time.

And they do have morals clauses, one of which is consorting with gamblers.   

[Shortgamemagic]

12 hours ago, CCTxGolf said:

The Ryder cup could have allowed Stenson to continue as the captain. Why does he have to play on the PGAT to captain the Euros in the Ryder cup.

 

PGAT needs to play ball. They have monopolized the golf market for long enough. They forgot how to compromise.

Disagree 100%. Plus Stenson was on the DP tour not PGAT to be eligible for Ryder cup captain. 

[Bad9]

22 minutes ago, cardoustie said:

I think the PGA Tour issue going forward is how marketable are their events when JT and Rory take time off?  Will get worse if they grab more big names

 

The event last weekend was a zero leaderboard without Finau … I’d have rather watched LIV if it was on .. sad but true.  

 

this is where the tours could co-exist with proper scheduling in my opinion 

 

interesting times

 

Would any of the guys who have gone to LIV played that event? Would they have drastically changed the appeal of the event?

[cardoustie]

8 minutes ago, Bad9 said:

 

Would any of the guys who have gone to LIV played that event? Would they have drastically changed the appeal of the event?

I don’t know, I wasn’t speaking of that event specifically… just used it as a real time example (and a current one)

 

i suppose there’s always been weak field events but when I turned it on, I had zero interest 

 

the top players .. bring viewers ,,, that’s the battle … Tiger, Phil etc etc down the line

 

 

[idrive]

45 minutes ago, Fuscinator said:

Love her interviews. And she's only going to get even better. 

 

Guess I'll never know as I'll never see her.

 

55 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Why is this a thing your happy about ?  I detect some glee in that statement. 

 

There's a reason. He has manifested this no less than 200+ times. IMO you're responding to a paid liv bot.  One of two I put on ignore several weeks ago.  I have no desire to read posts from bots that are here to do nothing but antagonize, gloat, spread rumor after rumor repeatedly.  Same BS over and over and over. Unfortunately, when he's (rarely) quoted I see the same drivel, again.

[jdl]

11 hours ago, Oneput said:

At the Portland event, all the LIV participants could not wipe smile off their face. Hardly even seen so many smiley faces (staged?) at a competitive event!

Especially Pat Perez!