LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[HomaComa]

Congrats to Brooks for getting 2 legs of the Norman slam!

[billyspan]

13 hours ago, MUNIGRIT said:

For sure in PGA type rankings they aren't. Alker is great on the SR tour and was one of the worst touring pros this week as far as showing.

For reference, Steven Alker is ranked 211 on the Data Golf Rankings.  Again, the Champions Tour is an example that the "controversial" metric of course length that the SI WGR uses would be beneficial.

[Rob G 89]

Did Michael block just earn a liv contract today?

[smashdn]

19 hours ago, Shilgy said:

They do? Thought they counted the best three?

 

edit…they count two players rounds 1&2 and three players in the final round….they do not know in advance.

 

 

During the first and second rounds, LIV Golf calculates team scores by adding up the best two-stroke play scores for each team. The other two players' scores are thrown out. During the third round, the top three players' scores are added together, and only the lowest score is eliminated.

 

 

And due to the shotgun start, there is no way to know before the round, which scores will count.  Got to play as though your score counts.

[jimecherry]

6 hours ago, HomaComa said:

Congrats to Brooks for getting 2 legs of the Norman slam!

Congrats to Brooks for actually closing ;} 

[Stevens24]

32 minutes ago, Rob G 89 said:

Did Michael block just earn a liv contract today?

No but he will likely be playing on the Champions tour in 3 years

[NetBogey]

7 hours ago, HomaComa said:

Congrats to Brooks for getting 2 legs of the Norman slam!

What’s the Norman slam? 

[ahenderX]

In Phil’s post PGA presser he revealed “I know things others don’t”. I’m open to suggestions what this might be.

[jdl]

1 hour ago, Stevens24 said:

No but he will likely be playing on the Champions tour in 3 years

He has no interest in playing.

[Go_Blue!]

12 minutes ago, ahenderX said:

In Phil’s post PGA presser he revealed “I know things others don’t”. I’m open to suggestions what this might be.

What was the context? 

[HomaComa]

1 hour ago, NetBogey said:

What’s the Norman slam? 

Leading a major after 54 holes. Norman did that in 86

[2bGood]

4 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

And due to the shotgun start, there is no way to know before the round, which scores will count.  Got to play as though your score counts.

It is almost unheard of that you know BEFORE the round in HS or College golf. It is during the round that you get an idea wether you should press or protect. 

 

 

Unless LIV can not afford Leaderboards Live scoring the teams know where they stand and what they need to do or if they are relevant. 

 

 

Edited May 22, 2023 by 2bGood

[Buschlight]

That a boy Brooksie, see ya at the Open.

[pingbling23]

Hmm, these LIV guys are pretty good.

[mattman]

On 5/20/2023 at 9:49 AM, betarhoalphadelta said:

 

I do think this is one of the underappreciated issues with the LIV application for points. It's not just about awarding points to a new format, it's about how to fairly scale those points so it does not overvalue or undervalue finishes on LIV. 

 

Golf tournaments are a grind. The longer they are, the more you phase out variance, where lesser players can "get hot" for a short period of time and stay atop the leaderboard. How many times do we see a nobody rocket up to the 18- or 36-hole lead in a tournament? How many people are looking at PGA Teaching Pro Michael Block who starts the PGA Championship 3rd round in T10 and think he's actually going to finish anywhere near T10? 

 

Limited field and 54 holes is simply a math problem, as we've all said. But they need to really look at it and make sure they solve it right. You want to simulate and battle-test whatever calculation you have for points against how much variability there will be in LIV finishes to make sure you don't award points unfairly in relation to other tours, and it's tough to do that with a LIV history that's barely over 10 tournaments long so far. 

Apologize to Mike Block

[Shilgy]

1 hour ago, Go_Blue! said:

What was the context? 

His feud with the PGA Tour…he’s on the witness list to talk to the DOJ.

[HomaComa]

Does Brooks get a 5 year PGA tour exemption??

[2bGood]

1 hour ago, Buschlight said:

That a boy Brooksie, see ya at the Open.

US Open first and then the Open

[ahenderX]

8 hours ago, Go_Blue! said:

What was the context? 

He was implying he had dirt on someone and he was going to air it soon. Here's a link from Golf.com.

 

‘I know things others don’t’: Cryptic Phil Mickelson presser ends odd PGA week

Edited May 22, 2023 by ahenderX

[King_Slender]

MODS: Is there a list of what can and cannot be discussed about LIV and where in the forum?  Some discussions about LIV should be able to live outside this one thread.

 

 

Would love to have a discussion on how Brad Faxon put a nail in Brandel Chamblee here:

 

 

Brandel can't fathom that anyone would push back against his LIV hate.

 

This argument is especially empty when FedEx, probably the biggest PGA Tour sponsor,  just signed a multi-billion dollar development agreement with Saudi Arabia.

Edited May 22, 2023 by King_Slender

[Golferpaul]

On 5/20/2023 at 8:20 PM, freeze16172002 said:

Mickelson plays on the champion tour? when was his last start there

I can understand your confusion since the PGAT has scrubbed their web site and removed golfers they don't like (kinda like Stalin and Mao) so he no longer shows up there.  But Wiki has the facts. 

 

[smashdn]

10 hours ago, 2bGood said:

It is almost unheard of that you know BEFORE the round in HS or College golf. It is during the round that you get an idea wether you should press or protect. 

 

 

Unless LIV can not afford Leaderboards Live scoring the teams know where they stand and what they need to do or if they are relevant. 

 

 

 

I suspect they have them given what I have seen when I watch.

 

So now we are back to no motivation based upon the team aspect then and the concern is rendered moot.

[Golferpaul]

I'm posting these quotes from memory, so maybe some can help with my quotes;

 

LIV hater quotes:

• These guys are all washed up
• Nobody wants to watch these washed up guys
• Playing guaranteed money events will make them less competitive
• Playing no-cut events will make them less competitive
• etc.

But look at this!  These "washed up, non-competitive" guys placed T2, T2, and T4 at the Masters then 1st and T4 at the PGA.  Can we all just agree that golf tournaments are better when they include ALL of the best golfers?  Not just the ones that Monahan hasn't scrubbed from his website. 

Edited May 22, 2023 by Golferpaul

[MtlJeff]

11 hours ago, ahenderX said:

In Phil’s post PGA presser he revealed “I know things others don’t”. I’m open to suggestions what this might be.

 

Weren't those Hoffa's last words in "The Irishman"....I can only imagine right now one of Phil's old rivals (Vijay Singh would make sense) is calling him to "make amends" and have a sit down. 

[MtlJeff]

So once again i like that the majors really just called the golf and stayed out of all the rival tours nonsense. They mentioned LIV right at the end when Koepka was on the 18th green but overall it was very much just business as usual.

 

I don't know how long both leagues will be around, and i cringe a little bit at Norman thinking this is a victory for him (even Brooks pretty much downplayed it)....But it somewhat makes LIV a little more interesting. They have 6 guys (DJ, Reed, Brooks, Bryson, Cam, Phil) that have been basically first page of leaderboard of the first 2 majors, and others like Mito who were top 20 i believe

 

Now when you watch, it will feel less like has-beens and injured or old golfers. As much as i defended LIVs right to exist and some of the dudes there, it did have that kind of a feel at first when some of those guys were struggling. But Brooks is basically with Rahm now to me as top dude

[betarhoalphadelta]

10 hours ago, mattman said:

Apologize to Mike Block

Props to him. One for the ages!

[Ghost of Snead]

59 minutes ago, Golferpaul said:

I'm posting these quotes from memory, so maybe some can help with my quotes;

 

LIV hater quotes:

• These guys are all washed up
• Nobody wants to watch these washed up guys
• Playing guaranteed money events will make them less competitive
• Playing no-cut events will make them less competitive
• etc.

But look at this!  These "washed up, non-competitive" guys placed T2, T2, and T4 at the Masters then 1st and T4 at the PGA.  Can we all just agree that golf tournaments are better when they include ALL of the best golfers?  Not just the ones that Monihan hasn't scrubbed from his website. 

 

It's Monahan ... I don't remember anyone saying DJ, Koepka, Reed, Cam and DeChambeau were washed up. Some of the others ? You bet. 

 

Pre-LIV, more golf tournaments did include all of the best players and no one was complaining. Until Norman chose to exercise his vendetta ...

    

Edited May 22, 2023 by Ghost of Snead

[bladehunter]

3 hours ago, King_Slender said:

MODS: Is there a list of what can and cannot be discussed about LIV and where in the forum?  Some discussions about LIV should be able to live outside this one thread.

 

 

Would love to have a discussion on how Brad Faxon put a nail in Brandel Chamblee here:

 

 

Brandel can't fathom that anyone would push back against his LIV hate.

 

This argument is especially empty when FedEx, probably the biggest PGA Tour sponsor,  just signed a multi-billion dollar development agreement with Saudi Arabia.

The argument against brooks has nothing to do with Saudi connections. And everything to do with not playing in real competitions more than 4 times a year now.  You can’t want to vote Brooks in for winning a major.  
 

would we have voted Block in if he had won ?   I think we all agree that’s a no.  But he was closer to winning the pga than say the number one player on earth.   Unfortunately for LIV guys , not playing in the Ryder cup is one of the trade offs for taking the deal and leaving.  

Edited May 22, 2023 by bladehunter

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, Golferpaul said:

I can understand your confusion since the PGAT has scrubbed their web site and removed golfers they don't like (kinda like Stalin and Mao) so he no longer shows up there.  But Wiki has the facts. 

 

Wiki ?  The place where I can change the stats myself ? 

[smashdn]

41 minutes ago, MtlJeff said:

Now when you watch, it will feel less like has-beens and injured or old golfers. As much as i defended LIVs right to exist and some of the dudes there, it did have that kind of a feel at first when some of those guys were struggling. But Brooks is basically with Rahm now to me as top dude

 

LIV has stratification of golfers in terms of ages and abilities not unlike the PGAT or DPWT.  I don't think that was the intention from the outset but that is where they are at now.  With only 48 players (current) everything is just more distilled.  The bottom is much more prominent.  The top is much more prominent.  The guys typically in the "middle-of-the-pack" are much more visible as well.