How would you react if PGA Tour players were betting on themselves and others?

[Yuck]

I think with golf, the problem is what bleeds over in to interference from an outside agency.  A few well timed noises at swing transition and an outcome can be changed.  You only need to hire a few goons for that.

[bladehunter]

4 hours ago, TiScape said:

😬

We still call them dogfights here.  Nobody worried about the PC term.    You won’t find a bigger dog lover than me. In fact I like dogs better than people.  😂

[bladehunter]

5 hours ago, straightshot7 said:

jordan spieth? What gave it away?

 

“In 2009 at Trump National Bedminster and 2011 at Gold Mountain, Spieth won the U.S. Junior Amateur and joined Tiger Woods as the tournament's only two-time winners.^[5] Before turning 18 in July 2011, he was No. 1 in the AJGA Golf Rankings, which promotes the best junior golfers in the world.”

 

“In his freshman year at Texas, Spieth won three events and led the team in scoring average.^[17]He helped his team win the NCAA championship, was named to the All-Big 12Team, Big 12 Freshman of the Year and Player of the Year, and was a first-team All-American.^[18][19] 

 

In 2012, Spieth earned a spot as an alternate in the U.S. Open after Brandt Snedeker withdrew from the tournament;^[18] he tied for 21st and was the low amateur.^[20] He became the number one amateur in the World Amateur Golf Ranking after his performance in the U.S. Open and Patrick Cantlay's decision to turn professional.”
 

😁

I agree. But you’d be shocked how many told me I was crazy … “ that chicken wing won’t play on tour “.  “ He can’t putt “ …. “ he doesn’t hit it far enough “.  I mean it was almost weird how local guys discounted him.  . 😂

Edited June 30, 2023 by bladehunter

[tiderider]

6 hours ago, One Putter said:

You do realize that NFL players are privy to information that we are not, right? It's kind of like insider trading. I absolutely do not think that is OK. I'm a person who doesn't gamble because i think it is a stupid activity for people who suck at math, but if i was betting on these games i would absolutely feel that they have an unfair advantage.

 

You wanna be a pro athlete, don't gamble. It's a pretty simple rule really.

[kasting333]

I wouldn’t care. These are excessive penalties just like the ncaa went too far recently. 
 

The leagues and the ncaa are invading the privacy of these players with the help of their gambling partners. 

[TiScape]

2 hours ago, bladehunter said:

We still call them dogfights here.  Nobody worried about the PC term.    You won’t find a bigger dog lover than me. In fact I like dogs better than people.  😂

Don’t care what ya call it, I’m ‘bout least PC guy ya will meet. But I’m sure you assumed that wasn’t the case 😉 So the way you worded ur post makes me think it wasn’t actually dog’s fightin’ and tearing each other apart???

[blades_are_life]

That would be a massive issue lol, they are entirely in control of the outcome of their games. Does not seem like it would be hard for a PGA player to take a good chunk of money they've already accumulated, spread it around on a bets against themselves through a bunch of intermediaries, and put on a show of "struggling" through a rough patch like so many golfers genuinely do.

[kasting333]

9 hours ago, blades_are_life said:

That would be a massive issue lol, they are entirely in control of the outcome of their games. Does not seem like it would be hard for a PGA player to take a good chunk of money they've already accumulated, spread it around on a bets against themselves through a bunch of intermediaries, and put on a show of "struggling" through a rough patch like so many golfers genuinely do.

Seems like a lot of work with a huge amount of risk that would only be profitable for the absolute top wrung of players 

[aenemated]

On 6/30/2023 at 12:00 AM, 3whacker said:

the state of Nevada says hello.....

 

Yes we do! Thanks, gamblers and other degenerates, for providing what I'd otherwise have to pay for with state income tax! 😂

 

Please continue to enjoy our fabulous hotels and casinos. Come back soon! 

[bladehunter]

17 hours ago, TiScape said:

Don’t care what ya call it, I’m ‘bout least PC guy ya will meet. But I’m sure you assumed that wasn’t the case 😉 So the way you worded ur post makes me think it wasn’t actually dog’s fightin’ and tearing each other apart???

http://www.golfdogfight.com/

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfight 

 

A dog fight is different than a dogfight.   I assumed nothing. You commented and I replied to the comment.  
 

 

[Pepperturbo]

On 6/29/2023 at 4:26 PM, LimaSierra said:

There was obviously some big news in the NFL today, with 4 players including Isaiah Rodgers being suspended for a year because he bet on a Colts related prop bet. Since the NFL is a team game, it brings into question the integrity of the game. 

 

But this got me thinking. Golf is an individual sport so its not like a golfer would gain an unfair advantage by betting on themselves. But it does raise a few questions and is prohibited by the tour

 

So if you heard news that a golfer bet on themselves to win/finish top 5-10 at a tournament, how would you feel about it?

 

And would you reaction be any different if a golfer bet on someone else to win/finish high. (Just for example picking 2 names) say if Max Homa bet on Spieth to finish top 5 at the Memorial.

I have a problem with any professional athlete betting, period.  If caught, the managing league should impart serious consequences.  And I am NOT talking about a bad-boy, diddly fine, pat on the butt and off you go.  Betting a large sum on oneself to lose, or... could have a player not performing their best.  Give people an inch they take a mile.  

 

 

[Pepperturbo]

On 6/30/2023 at 5:49 AM, bladehunter said:

I feel sorry for those who can’t enjoy competition  without it.  

I agree 100%. 

 

Having said that I've been known to bet $$$ a hole with guys I know like playing for money.  Their juices don't flow unless attention getting $$$ are at risk.  But what really is funny, .50 skins, that money won't even pay for round of single malts at 19th hole. LOL

[golfortennis]

On 6/30/2023 at 2:34 PM, Bigjim1022 said:

Good point, I just find it hilarious that they have this partnership but then suspend players for using their partner.  

 

This is the big thing.  Just like someone else mentioned, like a certain plant, alcohol, it's all bad for you, until one day they magically figured out a way to take a cut, and poof!!  it's ok, play responsibly, etc.  I do agree that it's a bad look for a player to be betting, but there is a certain sideways glance needed here.

 

But as mentioned, we all think about the PGA Tour where sponsors/TV/ticket sales put up the money that gets played for, but most professional golf is gambling.  Everyone puts in whatever the entry fee, and 6-8-10 guys take home the pot.  I would agree that a player betting on another player while player A is in the same event is a no-no, but otherwise...what's the harm?  You would need some serious money to spread around to other guys to make a result happen.

 

I would suspect any big problems would crop up in the lower levels, like in tennis, where no one is watching.  

[jdl]

On 7/1/2023 at 12:39 AM, blades_are_life said:

That would be a massive issue lol, they are entirely in control of the outcome of their games. Does not seem like it would be hard for a PGA player to take a good chunk of money they've already accumulated, spread it around on a bets against themselves through a bunch of intermediaries, and put on a show of "struggling" through a rough patch like so many golfers genuinely do.

I could be wrong here as I don't do a whole lot of wagering myself but doesn't seem like there are many ways to bet "against" a player? I suppose private bets vs using a sports book, but for the very reasons you mentioned it doesn't seem likely to actually happen. 

[golfortennis]

3 hours ago, jdl said:

I could be wrong here as I don't do a whole lot of wagering myself but doesn't seem like there are many ways to bet "against" a player? I suppose private bets vs using a sports book, but for the very reasons you mentioned it doesn't seem likely to actually happen. 

 

I guess it comes down to prop bets of "will they bogey hole x" or shoot above a certain score.  Otherwise, a player betting against themselves means betting on another player to win, which is a crapshoot at all times basically.  Tough to say though, depends what the sports books offer I guess

[blades_are_life]

15 hours ago, jdl said:

I could be wrong here as I don't do a whole lot of wagering myself but doesn't seem like there are many ways to bet "against" a player? I suppose private bets vs using a sports book, but for the very reasons you mentioned it doesn't seem likely to actually happen. 

12 hours ago, golfortennis said:

 

I guess it comes down to prop bets of "will they bogey hole x" or shoot above a certain score.  Otherwise, a player betting against themselves means betting on another player to win, which is a crapshoot at all times basically.  Tough to say though, depends what the sports books offer I guess

Yes I suppose I would need to look into the kind of bets actually available to know for sure but my impression of modern legalized sports gambling is that you can bet on pretty much anything so I went with that.

[LimaSierra]

16 hours ago, jdl said:

I could be wrong here as I don't do a whole lot of wagering myself but doesn't seem like there are many ways to bet "against" a player? I suppose private bets vs using a sports book, but for the very reasons you mentioned it doesn't seem likely to actually happen. 

you can bet on yourself to miss the cut

[Ferguson]

On 6/30/2023 at 8:23 AM, nitram said:

They're doing it now, albeit through a surrogate . . .

 

Or they are having someone else make the bets. 

 

 

 

[iBanesto]

Steve Elkington told a story when he bet money at the Alfred Dunhill Cup for Mexico to win over South Africa at St Andrews.

 

Apparently afterwards, Els got so drunk at the Dunvegan, drank out of his shoe and had to be carried out.

 

The used to be a video on the Secret in the Dirt channel but it seems the website is down.

 

Edited July 3, 2023 by iBanesto

[smashdn]

On 6/30/2023 at 1:44 PM, TiScape said:

😬

 

"Air to air combat" work better?

[Ferguson]

On 7/1/2023 at 3:34 PM, aenemated said:

 

Yes we do! Thanks, gamblers and other degenerates, for providing what I'd otherwise have to pay for with state income tax! 😂

 

Please continue to enjoy our fabulous hotels and casinos. Come back soon! 

 

Ultimately, gambling can break a home. 

 

 

 

 

Gambling effects a marriage in several ways. First, it is an addiction. And with the addiction a host of problems arise such as lying, withdrawal from family life, missed putts, loose drives, more foot club usage, handicap pumping, poor performance at the job which eventually may lead to job loss, poor money management which eventually will lead to financially destructive behaviors.  Secondly, and maybe more importantly, when your spouse is using his or her paycheck or savings on gambling or excessive range balls without a noticeable improvement in ball flight, it will affect the entire family.  

 

When your spouse is lying, ignoring you, and ignoring your children, spending too much time on the course with no improvement to the golf game,  you have the option of being patient and begging your spouse to seek help. However, when your spouse is depleting the savings account, it is time to file for divorce.

 

 

[hammersia]

19 minutes ago, Ferguson said:

 

Ultimately, gambling can break a home. 

 

 

 

 

Gambling effects a marriage in several ways. First, it is an addiction. And with the addiction a host of problems arise such as lying, withdrawal from family life, missed putts, loose drives, more foot club usage, handicap pumping, poor performance at the job which eventually may lead to job loss, poor money management which eventually will lead to financially destructive behaviors.  Secondly, and maybe more importantly, when your spouse is using his or her paycheck or savings on gambling or excessive range balls without a noticeable improvement in ball flight, it will affect the entire family.  

 

When your spouse is lying, ignoring you, and ignoring your children, spending too much time on the course with no improvement to the golf game,  you have the option of being patient and begging your spouse to seek help. However, when your spouse is depleting the savings account, it is time to file for divorce.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 27 by hammersia

[Dutch1008]

On 7/2/2023 at 9:32 PM, blades_are_life said:

Yes I suppose I would need to look into the kind of bets actually available to know for sure but my impression of modern legalized sports gambling is that you can bet on pretty much anything so I went with that.

 

Best to just nip it in the bud up front. The bets available today aren't necessarily the pool of options available tomorrow. W/ daily fantasy you can bet on single player performance. How long before you can bet the over/under on a golfers single round?   

 

It would be way too easy to game. Johnny makes the cut but finds himself 10 strokes back and his swing feels off. Johnny's over/under for round 3 is marked at 72.5. Johnny calls his buddy and tell him to bet heavy on the over. Johnny proceeds to dump a couple in the water, flubs a chip or two, and comfortably strolls in w/ a 76. 

 

What if we advance to the point where you can bet individual shots? Once again, Johnny's way off the cut line entering the 2nd round at The Players. "Hey bud, bet big that I put the ball into the drink on 17, scratch that, bet the 2 shot parley that I put it in the drink on both 17 and 18". 

[SurfDuffer]

Any golfer betting with outside entities on golf events they participate in or can have direct influence on should be banned for life.  No exceptions.  

[caniac6]

4 minutes ago, SurfDuffer said:

Any golfer betting with outside entities on golf events they participate in or can have direct influence on should be banned for life.  No exceptions.  

Give them the full Pete Rose.

[SurfDuffer]

If pro golfers want to bet on golf they should only be allowed to bet among themselves.

[mosesgolf]

Didn’t work out very well for Pete Rose.  He deserves to be in the HOF.

[TexasTurf]

There are many old school golfers you would have never heard of had they not bet on themselves. It is a gambling game and always will be. If you have a problem with that find a new activity.

[Golferpaul]

On 6/29/2023 at 6:26 PM, LimaSierra said:

 

So if you heard news that a golfer bet on themselves to win/finish top 5-10 at a tournament, how would you feel about it?

 

 

 

Isn't that exactly what members of Congress do?  Buy stocks of companies they are regulating?  Or did I miss something?