never thought I’d ever lose interest in pgatour golf

[Pops99]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

Yep - "golf on?" "going to watch golf" EXCEPT - I always refer to the majors by name, lol.

I was on a dating app and a girl asked me what I was doing (couple years back) and I said "watching the Masters"

And she said: "oh, what's that? Is it on Netflix?"

 

Needless to say, she did not become Mrs. Pops99 lol

Edited March 8 by Pops99

[geauxt]

2 hours ago, phizzy30 said:

Let's see......Rahm, Gooch, Koepka, Bryson.  Miles more talented and better than most of the PGA Tour and still in their prime.   

Hard to take a post like this seriously 

[TheBiles]

You should check out the LPGA! Always fun to watch.

[AZ_JHWK]

The PGA Tour has a significant charitable impact on each city they visit. I don't watch the LIV telecast, is there any mention of money going to charity in the LIV cities?

 

Gooch being lumped in with major champions such as Rahm, Koepka, Bryson is kind of funny. I guess he had a great season last year, but he only had to beat 50 guys each week. Most of the other big names are on the downhill side of their career. 

 

The PGA Tour has a field of 150+ to beat each week. I like hearing about the Monday qualifier that makes the cut and posts a top 10 and gets into the field next week. That can't happen at LIV. 

[phizzy30]

Just now, geauxt said:

Hard to take a post like this seriously 

Lol.  Rahm has 2 majors, Brooks 5, Bryson 1.  Gooch won 3 times on LIV last year and has a win on PGA Tour.  Rahm, Koepka and Bryson are also multiple time winners on PGA Tour.  But yeah, keep down playing these guys and acting like they're nobodies.  Haters gonna hate. 

Edited March 8 by phizzy30

[geauxt]

7 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

Lol.  Rahm has 2 majors, Brooks 5, Bryson 1.  Gooch won 3 times on LIV last year and has a win on PGA Tour.  Rahm, Koepka and Bryson are also multiple time winners on PGA Tour.  But yeah, keep down playing these guys and acting like they're nobodies.  Haters gonna hate. 

Lumping Gooch in with the likes of Rahm, Brooks, and BDC is the joke, as you’re well aware.

 

 

[phizzy30]

Just now, geauxt said:

Lumping Gooch in with the likes of Rahm, Brooks, and BDC is the joke, as you’re well aware.

 

 

Ok, I'll give you that, however, Gooch did win 3 times last year on LIV which is still no small feat.  He's still in his prime and playing lights out.  That kind of success translates to any tour. 

[Chunkitgood]

Uhm, maybe it’s not so interesting now that everybody drives the ball so long.

[TiScape]

2 hours ago, phizzy30 said:

Ok, I'll give you that, however, Gooch did win 3 times last year on LIV which is still no small feat.  He's still in his prime and playing lights out.  That kind of success translates to any tour. 

I just don’t trust anyone the spells their name Talor and pronounces it Taylor 🤷🏼‍♂️

Edited March 8 by TiScape

[Hawkeye77]

10 hours ago, TiScape said:

I just don’t trust anyone the spells their name Talor and pronounces it Taylor 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

Say "Talor" again!

 

 

[Titleist99]

Good time to be a golfer. The pipeline is full.

 

16-year-old Blades Brown inks lucrative NIL deal sure to stir up controversy.

[Pepperturbo]

17 hours ago, phizzy30 said:

I don't see anything wrong with trying to make as much money as possible being a pro athlete.  Their careers are short compared to other professions so I don't blame them for chasing money.  A tour pro could suffer a serious injury or go into a massive slump which could potentially end their careers.  The Saudis are supposed to pour in a massive amount of cash flow into the PGA Tour which will help boost revenue for everyone involved including players.  How is that a bad thing?  This could mean that all PGA Tour players in the future could potentially be making more money across the board from bigger purses and what not.    

We're from different vantage points. 

 

Plenty of good men & women have been offered bribes by certain government officials & royal family members; only when someone is driven by greed, they rationalize it's an innocent offer.  The fact is, they always want something for the money; the question is when and where will the tab be paid, and by whom; it won't be obvious to the lay-mind.  Whitewash using dirty money for bad deeds, and naivety go hand-in-hand.  And, speaking from experience, there's always a tipping point where more money changes nothing.

Edited March 8 by Pepperturbo

[Pops99]

1 hour ago, Titleist99 said:

Good time to be a golfer. The pipeline is full.

 

16-year-old Blades Brown inks lucrative NIL deal sure to stir up controversy.

That's an all-time golf name. 

[TiScape]

2 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

Say "Talor" again!

 

 

 

[PeterJP]

"never thought I’d ever lose interest in pgatour golf"

 

Maybe it's just that some of us are getting older. Well, we're *all* getting older, every minute of every day, so I should've said 'maybe it's just that we're old'. We don't have heroes like we did when we were young, and we don't so easily get too caught up and invested in *other people's* journeys and dramas (unless it's those of our own children or loved ones), especially when those journeys/drama tends involve the difference between making $8 million a year and $20 million a year,  or the choice to live in Florida vs Arizona, or whether to date a blonde supermodel or a brunette. I mean, should it surprise us that we're simply not that interested in *watching* the manufactured competition involving a group of 30 year old strangers instead of focusing on *living* our own ever-changing and very real/concrete experiences. After all, our days aren't endless and time becomes a more precious commodity when we become conscious of it running out. No? 

 

 

 

Edited March 8 by PeterJP

[bscinstnct]

Golf fans in 1982 watching scant coverage on a 25” screen, can’t even see the ball, and staring at Jack standing over a 3’ putt for 6 minutes,

 

“This is awesome!”

 

Golf fans in 2024 watching a 65” HD screen, with another live stream on their laptop showing featured groups, with 8 hours of coverage 

 

 

 

[ShowMe]

15 hours ago, phizzy30 said:

Lol.  Rahm has 2 majors, Brooks 5, Bryson 1.  Gooch won 3 times on LIV last year and has a win on PGA Tour.  Rahm, Koepka and Bryson are also multiple time winners on PGA Tour.  But yeah, keep down playing these guys and acting like they're nobodies.  Haters gonna hate. 

It's a shame that they decided to play resort golf with guaranteed money and to become employees of a foreign government.  Sure they have skills, but there's no pressure.  It's like watching them play practice rounds. Win or lose, they still make millions.  

 

That's not hate.  That's disappointment.

Edited March 8 by ShowMe

[Hankshank]

Saw televised golf, like a whole round, first time on a journey to England 1983, last round The Open @ Birkdale.  We didn’t have golf on TV back then. Pretty much the same level of excitement as seeing last days now.  But well, I just may lose my interest too. 

[RSLP]

Some business ideas can’t survive past the original founders.  Maybe the ‘tour’ really was Gardner Dickinson , Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer all along.  Sure there have been other stars, but without a real leader for today it looks a little rudderless.

[Hawkeye77]

7 hours ago, TiScape said:

 

What?

 

Sure you'll get that one!

[PeterJP]

10 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

Say "Talor" again!

"Don't look for it, Taylor. You may not like what you find!" 

[Hawkeye77]

13 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

What?

 

Sure you'll get that one!

For the rest! 

[Hawkeye77]

18 hours ago, RSLP said:

Some business ideas can’t survive past the original founders.  Maybe the ‘tour’ really was Gardner Dickinson , Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer all along.  Sure there have been other stars, but without a real leader for today it looks a little rudderless.

Sure there have been other stars?  LOL, you fall asleep in 1968?

 

 

[Fairways_and_Greens]

20 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

Golf fans in 1982 watching scant coverage on a 25” screen, can’t even see the ball, and staring at Jack standing over a 3’ putt for 6 minutes,

 

“This is awesome!”

 

Golf fans in 2024 watching a 65” HD screen, with another live stream on their laptop showing featured groups, with 8 hours of coverage 

 

 

 

*8 hours of run time with 4.5 hours of repetitive commercials in HD

[RSLP]

2 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

Sure there have been other stars?

There has been plenty-o-stars, just no real business leadership post the Arnie (and Jack to some extent) business era.  Tiger showed up, sponsors showed up, Arnie and Coach Gibbs got the Golf Channel going.

 

They lost major sponsors: Honda and Wells Fargo.  Tour borrowing on TV numbers that didn’t show. Fed came nocking about the 501 , and the Tour reacts by creating a for profit.  Big houses getting built in Ponte Vedra and Middleburg by PGA Tour executives. 
 

I love the PGA Tour, just as a business they are in a struggle.  The young players are really good, and play is the best ever with really deep talent.  As a business, they need a make over.  Hopefully the baseball gents  and retail gent can fix it.

[Hawkeye77]

3 minutes ago, RSLP said:

There has been plenty-o-stars, just no real business leadership post the Arnie (and Jack to some extent) business era.  Tiger showed up, sponsors showed up, Arnie and Coach Gibbs got the Golf Channel going.

 

They lost major sponsors: Honda and Wells Fargo.  Tour borrowing on TV numbers that didn’t show. Fed came nocking about the 501 , and the Tour reacts by creating a for profit.  Big houses getting built in Ponte Vedra and Middleburg by PGA Tour executives. 
 

I love the PGA Tour, just as a business they are in a struggle.  The young players are really good, and play is the best ever with really deep talent.  As a business, they need a make over.  Hopefully the baseball gents  and retail gent can fix it.

A bunch of shallow takes that ignore the reality of what the Tour built up over decades.  Yep, there are some issues caused and to some extent brought to the forefront by events the pat couple of years, but you don't understand anything about what the Tour was and became and how.  No business leadership? Nonsense.

[Titleist99]

Wow! Another thread trashing the PGAT.

[RobS]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye77 said:

A bunch of shallow takes that ignore the reality of what the Tour built up over decades.  Yep, there are some issues caused and to some extent brought to the forefront by events the pat couple of years, but you don't understand anything about what the Tour was and became and how.  No business leadership? Nonsense.

It's difficult to evaluate the leadership without being on the inside.  You can also look at the current state from different angles.  On the positive side, the Tour backfilled and is fully sponsored this season, secured a $3b investment partner and got rid of potentially crippling LIV lawsuits.  Eliminating the litigation with no strings attached other than dropping their countersuit is the most significant accomplishment of the 3 mentioned.  4 years ago the Tour secured a TV deal that is exceptionally high for the relative popularity of the sport.  139 players last year had winnings of $1m or more.  7 made over $10m.  Considering the golf is a niche sport, I believe it's overachieved.

There are a number of areas where the Tour can be criticized but on balance, the Tour is fairing well, despite the challenges of an irrationally spending competitor with money to burn.  If the Tour successfully moves forward, having already killed litigation and not having to give up equity to the PIF, I think they'll have done a great job.  I get that the players are upset over the bombshell framework agreement announcement but they fail to realize that the deal likely doesn't materialize outside of the confidential negotiations of the top decision makers.  Monahan rolled the dice, alienating himself from a lot of players but I think it was worth it to dispose of the lawsuits that could have become fatal to the Tour.  Who knows if they ever fully intended to even go forward with the framework agreement?  One could also argue that Monahan & Co exposed them to the lawsuits and they may be right as it's fair to say they made some mistakes in fighting off LIV.

[notsohard]

On 3/7/2024 at 8:07 PM, juliette91 said:

but i have and it felt like a loss at first.  but now i have more time to actually do things other than watch golf on tv!

...or you could watch the current LPGA at Blue Bay...Ko is leading, and you really don't need to know the names when the ladies are playing. 

[Jolter]

The PGATour still has loads of talent and the college players coming will still add depth to the fields. My biggest concern with the PGATour, and to a lesser degree the DPWT, is the lack of name recognition, at least for the time being, and who are the "villians" that you would root against. Watching these young players, they are all talented but very "plain".