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DavePelz4DavePelz4 A golf course in the Chicago area.ClubWRX Posts: 24,339 ClubWRX
The Golf Channel finally has it right. Gene Littler and Byron Nelson playing Pine Valley. So nice. They're hitting 3 and 4 irons from 180. They couldn't make it on GolfWRX now.



Expecting a new thread...can a 4 handicap beat Gene Littler.
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  • sdandreasdandrea Steve Members Posts: 2,353 ✭✭
    I loved that show. Use to watch every match.
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  • cubuffscubuffs Members Posts: 390 ✭✭
    Had my 13 and 11 year old sons watching Phil vs. Sergio from 2001 earlier this afternoon before we went to Christmas Eve service. Great to see GC air some of the great episodes from the past.
  • anthanth From the Land Down Under Members Posts: 2,774 ✭✭
    4 iron from 180? That’s what, a 9 iron for DJ?
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  • SBH9458SBH9458 Go Army! Beat Navy! Members Posts: 912 ✭✭
    anth wrote:
    4 iron from 180? That’s what, a 9 iron for DJ?




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  • wkuo3wkuo3 RELEASE Members Posts: 3,855 ✭✭
    Love these old ma-no a ma-no golf shows. Seve was not having his best against the Zinger in the 1995 at the Old Course.

    240-250 drive was huge in my father's days. They'd pass that with a driving iron these days.
  • BMCBMC Members Posts: 3,557 ✭✭
    DavePelz4 wrote:


    The Golf Channel finally has it right. Gene Littler and Byron Nelson playing Pine Valley. So nice. They're hitting 3 and 4 irons from 180. They couldn't make it on GolfWRX now.



    Expecting a new thread...can a 4 handicap beat Gene Littler.




    And Hogan used to hit a 4-iron 155. What;s your point? Most WRXers are full 'o crapp on their yardages anyway.
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  • tomc262tomc262 Members Posts: 93 ✭✭
    I sat and watched the Seve/‘Zinger and Lord Byron/Littler match; pure enjoyment. What was particularly interesting about the Nelson/Littler match was the TV production. You could tell some of the closeups, like the ball landing, were added post production. Obviously they didn’t have 20 cameras, drones and the Goodyear blimp out there. Regardless it was sweet watching those guys hit the ball. Cheers.
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  • SixtySomePingSixtySomePing Members Posts: 5,115 ✭✭
    wkuo3 wrote:


    Love these old ma-no a ma-no golf shows. Seve was not having his best against the Zinger in the 1995 at the Old Course.

    240-250 drive was huge in my father's days. They'd pass that with a driving iron these days.


    Seve, one of a kind. He would still only be 61. We missed a lot of good golf from Seve, It would have been much fun and enjoyment watching him on the senior tour...
  • ms244ms244 Members Posts: 130 ✭✭
    I love watching these matches. Phil vs. Sergio. Palmer vs. Jack. Jack vs. Player, etc.... For me I didn't get to to watch most of these guys in their prime (not saying that these matches were in their prime) but you know what I mean. I wished they did something like this today so that future generations could see players like I am today.



    Does anyone know if matches like these are available for download/viewing somewhere? Would be interested in watching more.
  • sunbeltgolfersunbeltgolfer Members Posts: 478 ✭✭
    Great entertainment and I can't understand why Golf Channel doesn't run them nore frequently. I could watch these, Challenge Golf, Big Three golf and shows like them all day long and not be bored. I'm old enough to remember seeing them on TV as a weekly series. Even though I wasn't playing golf at the time it initiated some interest in the game for me.
  • Jordan SpeethJordan Speeth ClubWRX Posts: 1,090 ClubWRX
    Watching SWWG on Christmas and enjoying the heck out of it. I wish they'd play them anytime rather than the terrible golf movie reruns. It brought up the debate in my mind whether the greats of past generations would dominate today's game the way they did in the forties, fifties, and sixties, which I believe some of them would (in particular, Hogan, Snead, Palmer, and Nicklaus among others). I particularly enjoyed the Byron Nelson vs. Gene Littler at Pine Valley episode where they had a cumulative score of close to +10. The course looked amazing, though it still didn't have the kind of teeth it has today. Both players hit several cold, yank-tops during their round which I've always said was more of a regular occurrence in those days. I've seen most of the HoFer's from when I was growing up (Palmer, Nicklaus, and Trevino namely) hit random shots like this on more than one occasion, something you'd never see from any professional golfer today, unless it was from an abysmal lie of some sort. These older episodes really illustrate the evolution of the game in full color. Man, have things changed....
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  • chas521chas521 Members Posts: 1,149 ✭✭
    Try this link for SWWOG
  • just plain billjust plain bill Unregistered Posts: 1,488 ✭✭
    i wonder how slow the greens were. they look slower than a muni, lol. i think the better golfers would have adapted to today's game ok. certainly a variety of swings in these episodes, for sure!
  • sdandreasdandrea Steve Members Posts: 2,353 ✭✭
    edited Dec 25, 2018 #15
    Watching now. Gary Player v Peter Thomson. Makes me want to go all vintage!
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  • Kenny Lee PuckettKenny Lee Puckett Members Posts: 3,460 ✭✭
    edited Dec 25, 2018 #16
    the Hogan vs Snead match at Houston CC is IMO the greatest Shell's match there ever was (and it ain't even close).



    if Golf Channel never has the brains to run it.....



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    edit: this is unfortunately not the entire episode. I do not believe any exists on YouTube.
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  • dlygrissedlygrisse Members Posts: 13,130 ✭✭


    the Hogan vs Snead match at Houston CC is IMO the greatest Shell's match there ever was (and it ain't even close).



    if Golf Channel never has the brains to run it.....



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    edit: this is unfortunately not the entire episode. I do not believe any exists on YouTube.




    I bought that on VHS, when that was still a thing. Wonder if I still have a working VCR somewhere?

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  • Kenny Lee PuckettKenny Lee Puckett Members Posts: 3,460 ✭✭
    edited Dec 25, 2018 #18
    dlygrisse wrote:



    the Hogan vs Snead match at Houston CC is IMO the greatest Shell's match there ever was (and it ain't even close).



    if Golf Channel never has the brains to run it.....



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    edit: this is unfortunately not the entire episode. I do not believe any exists on YouTube.




    I bought that on VHS, when that was still a thing. Wonder if I still have a working VCR somewhere?
    I bought the DVD a veeeery long time ago.



    edit: appears it still exists for sale http://www.inthehole...AiABEgLMWPD_BwE
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  • dlygrissedlygrisse Members Posts: 13,130 ✭✭
    I love these. Gotta say though, Sarazen’s commentary is cringe worthy at times.

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  • Jordan SpeethJordan Speeth ClubWRX Posts: 1,090 ClubWRX
    BTW, does anyone know where I could get the match between Nicklaus and Miller at Olympic? I saw it on GC once and just didn't think to record it. I assumed it would be on YouTube....nope.
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  • 3whacker3whacker Members Posts: 411 ✭✭
    love hearing the click of the balata ball off the persimmon drivers
  • ohioglfrohioglfr Municipal Junkie Members Posts: 731 ✭✭
    Unfortunately, the Golf Channel only rolls out the good stuff (Shell's WWOG) at Christmas.



    Sort of like PBS, rolling out the goodies for the fundraisers, then going back to the SOS.

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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers Posts: 5,354 ✭✭
    DavePelz4 wrote:


    The Golf Channel finally has it right. Gene Littler and Byron Nelson playing Pine Valley. So nice. They're hitting 3 and 4 irons from 180. They couldn't make it on GolfWRX now.



    Expecting a new thread...can a 4 handicap beat Gene Littler.




    Well. Answer the question. COULD a 4 cap beat Gene Littler?
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  • mocokidmocokid Members Posts: 1,753 ✭✭
    Bad day for littler I doubt he broke 40 on the front side. He was us open champ in 61, so PV was a monster. Byron is 50 and plays like once or twice a year, remarkable ball striker. I believe it was the first SWWG.
  • indianalawnguyindianalawnguy Members Posts: 435 ✭✭


    Great entertainment and I can't understand why Golf Channel doesn't run them nore frequently. I could watch these, Challenge Golf, Big Three golf and shows like them all day long and not be bored. I'm old enough to remember seeing them on TV as a weekly series. Even though I wasn't playing golf at the time it initiated some interest in the game for me.




    The use to be on everyday on the golf channel in the early mid 90's!!!! I had them all recorded. The also use to run another one called All-Star golf. I really enjoyed watching all of the shells matches even though ive seen most of them.
  • PuttLeftHitRightPuttLeftHitRight Members Posts: 2,261 ✭✭
    Some of these are really fun to watch. Doesn't get any better than seeing the legends play.
  • Jordan SpeethJordan Speeth ClubWRX Posts: 1,090 ClubWRX
    Tonight, I was watching an old SWWG of Faldo vs. Norman at St. Andrews with Dave Marr as the host. Marr was so ill that he was barely able to hold the microphone , but he was still working. He passed two months after this episode was taped, so he must have been very sick at the time. I can't blame him for working. In my cancer journey, golf has been an invaluable diversion from the dreaded thoughts that go along with it...it's the only thing I know that can take my mind off of it. I'm happy to see that he was able to work right up to the end. David Marr is still remembered and loved by those that knew him....he was pure class.
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  • ArtMBgolfArtMBgolf Members Posts: 368 ✭✭
    I liked the Nelson/Littler match at Pine Valley.

    The greens must have been stimping at about 5-6 and the fairways about 1.



    I saw Jack + Arnie the day before on PH #2.
  • MountainGoatMountainGoat Mid-MarylandMembers Posts: 1,673 ✭✭
    ArtMBgolf wrote:


    I liked the Nelson/Littler match at Pine Valley.

    The greens must have been stimping at about 5-6 and the fairways about 1.



    I saw Jack + Arnie the day before on PH #2.




    I saw both of those and enjoyed the heck out of them, as well. Sure was a different game back then. During the PH2 episode, they showed a quick shot of Kelly Mitchum, who was a hot amateur at the time and is the short game instructor at the resort now. Pine Valley came across as unplayably tough.
  • the bishopthe bishop Members Posts: 3,231 ✭✭
    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    DavePelz4 wrote:


    The Golf Channel finally has it right. Gene Littler and Byron Nelson playing Pine Valley. So nice. They're hitting 3 and 4 irons from 180. They couldn't make it on GolfWRX now.



    Expecting a new thread...can a 4 handicap beat Gene Littler.




    Well. Answer the question. COULD a 4 cap beat Gene Littler?


    Well NOW, yes....
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  • Chris122Chris122 Banned Posts: 611 ✭✭
    Not so keen on the later shows,I much prefer the early ones with Hogan,Snead,Nelson,Littler,de Vicenzo,Lima etc.

    Production values may not be what we are now accustomed to but it was fairly ground-breaking stuff at the time as explained by Gene Sarazen in his book on SWWOG.

    There's a lot of good footage on YouTube,other favourites of mine are Frank Stranahan vs Arnie and some of the skins games with Trevino and Nicklaus,always entertaining.
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