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[dcopp7]

$3

[raggal62]

2 hours ago, dcopp7 said:

$3

Nice find! 

I'm always jacked to stumble on all original golf relics. 

[AdamMH]

Meant to post these but forgot. 3$ each w/ original leather grips, 3-5-7-9 sunday set. Also found a Citation 1-iron at the same time!

Edited July 6, 2022 by AdamMH

[Bob Cat]

I just wanted to buy the BullsEye but seller insisted I take the entire bag for same money.

1962 Ben Hogan Power Thrust irons and Wilson 4300 woods (unknown vintage).

4i is a 1966 Ben Hogan with SAME ser nos as the rest.

I can only guess it was destroyed and a modern 4i was provided to replace it.

Added image of a few relics found in the bag.

Edited July 10, 2022 by Buzzkill

[elwhippy]

Not a round ball in sight. Amazing how we used to score well with wound ammo. 

[hammergolf]

10 hours ago, Bob Cat said:

I just wanted to buy the BullsEye but seller insisted I take the entire bag for same money.

1962 Ben Hogan Power Thrust irons and Wilson 4300 woods (unknown vintage).

4i is a 1966 Ben Hogan with SAME ser nos as the rest.

I can only guess it was destroyed and a modern 4i was provided to replace it.

Added image of a few relics found in the bag.

Would love to see some shots hit with those old golf balls.

[Wham49]

1 hour ago, hammergolf said:

Would love to see some shots hit with those old golf balls.

The woods are 65, I have the woods and irons

[Wham49]

On 7/10/2022 at 1:09 PM, elwhippy said:

Not a round ball in sight. Amazing how we used to score well with wound ammo. 

The old balls are pretty decent around the green but full shots, wow, there is the difference in golf now,  not the driver heads or the shafts, but the balls, fun to hit but would not want to have to score with them

 

like I heard Faldo describe hitting the old balls, “they are like hitting a bar of soap”

[Hickory4ever]

There is no doubt that the old wound balls were very different from the balls today. They did spin more and required you to be in control of your swing but were very playable. I do believe that we get a bit hyperbolic in our commentaries on the old stuff.

 

There is no doubt that the old equipment (balls and clubs) required a different approach than what we have today, but far from impossible. 

[scomac2002]

1 hour ago, Hickory4ever said:

There is no doubt that the old wound balls were very different from the balls today. They did spin more and required you to be in control of your swing but were very playable. I do believe that we get a bit hyperbolic in our commentaries on the old stuff.

 

There is no doubt that the old equipment (balls and clubs) required a different approach than what we have today, but far from impossible. 

 

I for one wouldn't mind a bit more spin.  This idea that low spin is the holy grail for more distance only works if your angle of attack is correct (for the club being used) and you generate enough swing speed.   I can't get modern distance irons to elevate,  so they put geezer clubs in your hands which you can't control due to light weight.   What's a sweeper/picker to do?

[Hickory4ever]

12 hours ago, scomac2002 said:

 

I for one wouldn't mind a bit more spin.  This idea that low spin is the holy grail for more distance only works if your angle of attack is correct (for the club being used) and you generate enough swing speed.   I can't get modern distance irons to elevate,  so they put geezer clubs in your hands which you can't control due to light weight.   What's a sweeper/picker to do?

You can take any advice I give you with a grain of salt. Forgive my cynicism with  modern golf club marketing as I am definitely counterculture. I don’t have any difficulty elevating my irons and this 68 year old can do it, there is a way. 

 

I don’t buy into the GI and SGI irons with light shafts that you can’t control due to their light weight and ridiculous offset. Don’t get me started on the players distance irons. It is important to be able to feel/control the club and that means an appropriate static weight and swing weight, at least in my hands. 
 

Since we live in close proximity, I hope that we can get together and play some “good old man golf” and I might be able to show you what works for me. I have learned to play within myself and not get caught up with swinging too hard.

 

Lets have some fun, what have you got to lose.
 

 

[scomac2002]

2 hours ago, Hickory4ever said:

Lets have some fun, what have you got to lose.

 

Nothing of course.  I'm currently out west visiting my son.  When I get back home and caught up I'll take you up on your offer.🙂

[BIG STU]

5 hours ago, Hickory4ever said:

You can take any advice I give you with a grain of salt. Forgive my cynicism with  modern golf club marketing as I am definitely counterculture. I don’t have any difficulty elevating my irons and this 68 year old can do it, there is a way. 

 

I don’t buy into the GI and SGI irons with light shafts that you can’t control due to their light weight and ridiculous offset. Don’t get me started on the players distance irons. It is important to be able to feel/control the club and that means an appropriate static weight and swing weight, at least in my hands. 
 

Since we live in close proximity, I hope that we can get together and play some “good old man golf” and I might be able to show you what works for me. I have learned to play within myself and not get caught up with swinging too hard.

 

Lets have some fun, what have you got to lose.
 

 

I am definetely counter culture not only in golf but in life too. Always have been. Had primered down rusty big motored cars and trucks before "Rat Rodding" became cool. Same with Harleys now days they have a color which is really black primer that I ran for years it is called Black Satin. I have always marched to the beat of my own drum and do not apologize for it. Yep I like old man vintage golf> Had a ball Monday with my vintage round. Waiting to see weather wise If I will be able to play today. The course was extremely wet Monday and was CPO which I am ok with as long as it is 9 holes and I am playing my ball. We got an abundance of rain last night and if the Mens Groups called off then they will not open. Before my accident even if the course was soggy I would walk with the 7 club set but that ship has sailed now. So I am waiting

[BIG STU]

On 7/6/2022 at 3:48 PM, AdamMH said:

Meant to post these but forgot. 3$ each w/ original leather grips, 3-5-7-9 sunday set. Also found a Citation 1-iron at the same time!

That set up with the 1 iron would make on heck of a Sunday Set for kicks and giggles

[BIG STU]

On 7/10/2022 at 10:18 AM, Bob Cat said:

I just wanted to buy the BullsEye but seller insisted I take the entire bag for same money.

1962 Ben Hogan Power Thrust irons and Wilson 4300 woods (unknown vintage).

4i is a 1966 Ben Hogan with SAME ser nos as the rest.

I can only guess it was destroyed and a modern 4i was provided to replace it.

Added image of a few relics found in the bag.

Those balls would be interesting now--- The old club special would get some funky flights and one might could hit it 50 yards with a driver. The Mac balls were not worth two hoots when new IMHO. The old Trevino Faultless ball would still be ok since it is more or less a 2 piece rubber ball=== The others I am not sure on

On 7/6/2022 at 3:48 PM, AdamMH said:

Meant to post these but forgot. 3$ each w/ original leather grips, 3-5-7-9 sunday set. Also found a Citation 1-iron at the same time!

That set up with the 1 iron would make on heck of a Sunday Set for kicks and giggles

[Fellaheen51]

21 hours ago, Hickory4ever said:

There is no doubt that the old wound balls were very different from the balls today. They did spin more and required you to be in control of your swing but were very playable. I do believe that we get a bit hyperbolic in our commentaries on the old stuff.

 

There is no doubt that the old equipment (balls and clubs) required a different approach than what we have today, but far from impossible. 

 

Like many of us, over time I've accumulated a fair number of wound balls.  At a garage sale, a NOS box of Titleist Tour 90 balata's.  Was excited to give them a "spin" out on the course.  Not being a golfer during the era.  But something about them didn't play quite right.  Struggled with realizing relative distance.  At a latter point, accidentally dropped one on the cement garage floor and it sounded "mushy".  Grabbed a new modern ball and proceeded to perform an equi-distant drop test.  Those old balatas and wounds had a bounce significantly less than the modern ball.  

 

No idea if this is a valid or relevant test.  But it was enough of a confirmation that playing "old" golf balls is not for me.  Playing classic implements is challenging enough.  When I do, I'll use a suitable modern ball.  Are not Pro V's played in some high level hickory tournaments?  Seem to recall reading that once.  

 

 

[miamistomp]

 Wilson duo soft is the ball of choice

 

Modern balls are too hard and spin too little

 

You want a ball that feels like it " sticks" to the club face

 

Edited July 13, 2022 by miamistomp

[NRJyzr]

On 7/11/2022 at 9:14 PM, Wham49 said:

The old balls are pretty decent around the green but full shots, wow, there is the difference in golf now,  not the driver heads or the shafts, but the balls, fun to hit but would not want to have to score with them

 

like I heard Faldo describe hitting the old balls, “they are like hitting a bar of soap”

 

I played wound balls exclusively for several months, a couple different times in the last ten years.  I happened across a stash of recently manufactured Maxfli HT-100s about ten years ago, picked up several dozen.  They turned out to have been recently manufactured in the Asian marketplace, and had finally been cast aside to the clearance racks of the golf world.

 

They weren't as hard to play as their reputation.  They also weren't as short as their reputation; the primary issue with them off the tee was spin.  I found it possible to mitigate that tee game spin thru driver selection.

 

The only other adjustment I had was to drop the use of the 60* LW I was playing at the time.  My Watson Scoring System 55* was more than enough for everything short game, thanks to the better short game spin of the HT.

 

Durability is the real problem with them.  It's possible to knock them out of round.  I think I still have one or two somewhat oval HTs lying around.

 

I enjoyed my runs with the HT.  🙂

 

Edited July 13, 2022 by NRJyzr

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

I like to play wound balls when I play with my persimmons. Soft modern balls like the Wilson Duo are OK, but the old wound balls feel better. 

Thing is, I mostly played wound Surlyn balls when I was younger rather than the more expensive balata, so that's what I use now. 

There's not that much difference in distance, depending on the type of wound ball. I've found wound Titleist DTs keep up pretty well with the modern ball, although performance in the wind is quite different.

 

Actually, one of the joys of persimmon golf for me is trying out various different wound balls that I did not have access to when I was younger.

 

 

[AdamMH]

7 hours ago, BIG STU said:

Those balls would be interesting now--- The old club special would get some funky flights and one might could hit it 50 yards with a driver. The Mac balls were not worth two hoots when new IMHO. The old Trevino Faultless ball would still be ok since it is more or less a 2 piece rubber ball=== The others I am not sure on

That set up with the 1 iron would make on heck of a Sunday Set for kicks and giggles

I agree. They're quite nice to hit. I've got a Spalding Model 56 persimmon driver to go with as well. Unfortunately the Citation 1-iron has bits of grip missing and no ferrule left. On the other hand I do have 20 other 1-irons to choose from 😂

[NRJyzr]

6 hours ago, miamistomp said:

 Wilson duo soft is the ball of choice

 

Modern balls are too hard and spin too little

 

You want a ball that feels like it " sticks" to the club face

 

 

The Duo Soft only hits one of your targets, that of "soft."  They do not spin much.

 

I've found luck with the Vice Pro Soft, the Chrome Soft, the OnCore Elixr, and the Duo Professional that no longer exists.  All tend to be in the softer spectrum, the Elixr being the firmest of the mentioned balls.  

 

I expect the Bridgestone B-RX and B-RXS would hit that target, also.

 

[Wham49]

On 7/12/2022 at 7:11 AM, Hickory4ever said:

There is no doubt that the old wound balls were very different from the balls today. They did spin more and required you to be in control of your swing but were very playable. I do believe that we get a bit hyperbolic in our commentaries on the old stuff.

 

There is no doubt that the old equipment (balls and clubs) required a different approach than what we have today, but far from impossible. 

I love the old stuff, but struggle off the tee with old balls, it is always a struggle to find a ball that has not too much spin on the longer clubs, because I just hit them way off line when I don't make a great swing. If we could play different balls I would hit one ball off the tee and another ball for everything else

[mocokid]

10 hours ago, BIG STU said:

Those balls would be interesting now--- The old club special would get some funky flights and one might could hit it 50 yards with a driver. The Mac balls were not worth two hoots when new IMHO. The old Trevino Faultless ball would still be ok since it is more or less a 2 piece rubber ball=== The others I am not sure on

That set up with the 1 iron would make on heck of a Sunday Set for kicks and giggles

Those club specials might explode! Fond memories of buying 2/$1 at the local public course, then playing unlimited golf for $5.  Did 45 one day.  The course bordered a cemetery on 1 side and Ridgewood CC on the other.  

 

[BIG STU]

3 hours ago, AdamMH said:

I agree. They're quite nice to hit. I've got a Spalding Model 56 persimmon driver to go with as well. Unfortunately the Citation 1-iron has bits of grip missing and no ferrule left. On the other hand I do have 20 other 1-irons to choose from 😂

If you really want to fix it and try it Maltby Golfworks has 2 piece ferrules that do great I use them quite a bit when I do not want to pull a shaft. The grip is a no brainer

[BIG STU]

1 hour ago, NRJyzr said:

 

The Duo Soft only hits one of your targets, that of "soft."  They do not spin much.

 

I've found luck with the Vice Pro Soft, the Chrome Soft, the OnCore Elixr, and the Duo Professional that no longer exists.  All tend to be in the softer spectrum, the Elixr being the firmest of the mentioned balls.  

 

I expect the Bridgestone B-RX and B-RXS would hit that target, also.

 

I played a 18 hole classic round today ( I will post details in the rounds with a vintage bag section) Tried something completely off the wall. I had 6 of those MG balls from Lord only knows where. Those things really elevated and hit well off the slugger and good off the 3 wood. I also played a couple of holes with some wound Maxfli DDH. Those and the Maxfli Elites really launch well off the persimmon and check up good on the greens

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

3 hours ago, BIG STU said:

I played a 18 hole classic round today ( I will post details in the rounds with a vintage bag section) Tried something completely off the wall. I had 6 of those MG balls from Lord only knows where. Those things really elevated and hit well off the slugger and good off the 3 wood. I also played a couple of holes with some wound Maxfli DDH. Those and the Maxfli Elites really launch well off the persimmon and check up good on the greens

 

Yep, the Elites are good balls. Used one recently, and tested it on one hole directly against a DT wound ball. Hit it 10 yards past the DT with my driver.

[BIG STU]

4 hours ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

Yep, the Elites are good balls. Used one recently, and tested it on one hole directly against a DT wound ball. Hit it 10 yards past the DT with my driver.

Yep our esteemed collegue NRJyzr sent me a brand new dozen a year or so ago. Those things hit good and I cherish them. I use them on approaches and I "cheat" on scrambles using one on wedge or short iron approaches. The DDH our Friend Scooter from Canada sent them to me some time back along with some balata Palmers. I did lose one of the DDH yesterday on our 2nd hole. In fact our Super saw the shot. I actually hit it great in the middle of the fairway and SPLASH! No water hazard there though. It plugged in the middle of the fairway. Actually I nutted that shot and it carried a lot further than I thought capable of. That is when I went to the Master Grip C-4 balls I had found in the stash and threw in the bag. We did look for it but I was not going to wade in ankle deep water to find it. 

[chazpet]

17 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

 

The Duo Soft only hits one of your targets, that of "soft."  They do not spin much.

 

I've found luck with the Vice Pro Soft, the Chrome Soft, the OnCore Elixr, and the Duo Professional that no longer exists.  All tend to be in the softer spectrum, the Elixr being the firmest of the mentioned balls.  

 

I expect the Bridgestone B-RX and B-RXS would hit that target, also.

 

 

@NRJyzr dumb question, how do you determine if a ball is properly soft enough for play with persimmons? Looking at last years My Golf Spy data, the balls you listed all have low compression, is that a result of them being soft? 

 

For reference, I have played Callway Supersoft and Pro V1 with my persimmon and blades and found the Pro V1 to be better for me, mainly with maintaining spin on irons and wedges.

[NRJyzr]

45 minutes ago, chazpet said:

 

@NRJyzr dumb question, how do you determine if a ball is properly soft enough for play with persimmons? Looking at last years My Golf Spy data, the balls you listed all have low compression, is that a result of them being soft? 

 

For reference, I have played Callway Supersoft and Pro V1 with my persimmon and blades and found the Pro V1 to be better for me, mainly with maintaining spin on irons and wedges.

 

The way I think of the golf balls, they are soft because they have low compression, not their having low compression being a result of them being soft.  Semantics, I know.  😉

 

Louisville Golf used to have something on their FAQ that stated any modern "tour level" golf ball was OK to use with persimmon, that they were not as hard as the rocks of Ye Olde Days.  They've since changed that a bit.  What I do for myself is look at the lower compression balls with urethane covers, like the B-RX or B-RXS, Vice Pro Soft, and Duo Professional.  Haven't used the new Wilson Triad yet, but I would use those with persimmons also, they're not much firmer than the above; would also use the OnCore Elixr. 

 

I would take the above a bit higher, to include the ZStar/TP5 level of balls, but stay away from the ZStarXV/TP5x level.   

 

Ironically, when I was playing the HT-100s in the previous decade, and comparing them to then-current urethane multilayer balls, I was playing things like the HX Chrome+ or the One Tour D, the firmer balls.  No damage of which I was aware.  Full disclosure:  I was doing it with a Zing Blonde laminate, for the most part.  

 

Such is my take.  🙂

 

[Hickory4ever]

I will chime in on my preferences for balls. For hickory clubs, I use Calloway Supersoft, Srixon Softfeel, or any other soft ball. When playing classic era clubs, I may play them also or even something with higher compression. I don’t find there to be a big difference in length with any of them. Worrying about spin on my wedges is far down the list, I want the ball to feel nice.

 

I play clubs from three eras every week (hickory, classic and modern) and score virtually the same as long as I am playing appropriate tees. I focus on the fun factor and shotmaking and clear my mind of modern thinking. It does not seem to matter which clubs I play, my scores are usually around 80, plus or minus a few strokes.

 

To answer the question about the ball softness with persimmons, I prefer a softer ball than a Pro V1 or similar. From my hickory experience, the harder the golf ball, the greater the chance of damage to wooden clubs, I treat my classics that are 50 years of age or older the same. 
 

 

Edited July 14, 2022 by Hickory4ever