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12 minutes ago, iceman1118 said:

A guy I play with at least once a week is notorious for giving every player regardless of age, skill, handicap, race, height, weight  etc every 4 footer over the course of 18 holes. He is just too generous. I also believe in putting out. Its part of the game. Every time he tries to give me a putt I always say thanks but no thanks and finish the hole. Keeps my handicap honest. Plus those knee knockers matter in tournament play. Drives me nuts when he just whacks my ball back to me and tells me Im good before I can mark my ball. 

 

He touch your ball?!

 

[iceman1118]

Since we are on the topic of putting (one of my favorite topics), I would love to hear everyone’s thoughts about today’s putter technology. Head size, shafts, groove and insert tech, LAB, Evnroll, broomsticks, good old fashioned 8802s, etc. Is this new age of technology what we should all be embracing or do we think it is just a current trend? Or is putting just so personal that it really is what works for each person?

 

I know personally I have some days where I have 28 putts and I feel like Im going to be the next Brad Faxon. Then the next day putting feels like teaching Japanese to a monkey. 

Deep down I think the technology is here to stay. I always believe anything that helps is beneficial. But on the flip side I also see the idea of we are swinging a weight on the end of a stick what, 3 mph? And were just rolling the ball 20 feet that way? How card could that be, right!

[mshills]

Since persimmon clubs (though the TM R510 TP was pretty good!) are gone, the most satisfying sound in golf is the ball dropping into the cup. 🙂

 

[bladehunter]

Posting this as a public service announcement…. Cut your mechanic some slack.  This guy accurately describes why it’s hard to make a living turning wrenches anymore. He’s long winded at the beginning. Bare with it. He gets there. And why you constantly have a car that’s “ reoffending “ and has to be taken back to be worked on for the same thing again.  
 

the real thought is this. It’s not just cars. All manner of engineering projects are like  this.  From roads and bridges to homes to even healthcare.  We don’t have access to quality anymore. Junk junk junk.  This is a societal problem.  Not just my problem 🤣

 

 

[Nard_S]

1 minute ago, mshills said:

(though the TM R510 TP was pretty good!)

Best driver I own, still use every now and again. Best looking, sounding Ti club. On the screws long as anything. Still has that sweet ting to it.

[Petethreeput]

Gimmes:

 

We play in a small money game with the losses capped to avoid hard feelings.  I am notorious for being a giver.  Here is my logic.  You're a friend.  I want to win, but I want to win because I won not because you lost.  If I think the putt is a 85% make I don't want to see someone miss it (for ams a little less than 3'), but a 3' downhill slider?  Mark it and putt it.  Nor do I want to wait while the guy lines it up knowing that 85+ times out of a hundred he is going to make it.  It isn't worth it to wait for the 15% to occur.

 

I guess its just me.  I will say, a couple weeks before a tournament we give no quarter to get people used to knocking them in.

 

 

[mshills]

23 minutes ago, Nard_S said:

Best driver I own, still use every now and again. Best looking, sounding Ti club. On the screws long as anything. Still has that sweet ting to it.

Great driver. That era was tremendous. My favorites were the TM R425 TP, in my bag for years. I also had a Callaway FT3 Tour that was so long it was hard to resist, but man I hit some off the planet with that damn thing. 

[Hickory4ever]

38 minutes ago, mshills said:

Since persimmon clubs (though the TM R510 TP was pretty good!) are gone, the most satisfying sound in golf is the ball dropping into the cup. 🙂

 

Persimmon clubs aren’t gone, I just picked up some mint 70’s Wilsons for $15 for the three of them 😀. They played very well and I had them regripped last night. Yesterday was my first round in as long as I can remember with all clubs (except putter) from the same manufacturer. 

[Nard_S]

10 minutes ago, mshills said:

My favorites were the TM R425 TP, in my bag for years. 

Always wanted one of those. Had a SQ 460, very long but more erratic on dispersion than the R510. Love the stock Fuji shafts on both. 

[Double Mocha Man]

23 minutes ago, Petethreeput said:

Gimmes:

 

We play in a small money game with the losses capped to avoid hard feelings.  I am notorious for being a giver.  Here is my logic.  You're a friend.  I want to win, but I want to win because I won not because you lost.  If I think the putt is a 85% make I don't want to see someone miss it (for ams a little less than 3'), but a 3' downhill slider?  Mark it and putt it.  Nor do I want to wait while the guy lines it up knowing that 85+ times out of a hundred he is going to make it.  It isn't worth it to wait for the 15% to occur.

 

I guess its just me.  I will say, a couple weeks before a tournament we give no quarter to get people used to knocking them in.

 

 

 

I'm playing golf today. My partners usually give me one footers if they're flat. Today I'm just going to routinely knock them all in the hole and listen to that satisfying cup rattle.

[Soloman1]

i said earlier that i was generous with gimmes. that’s for some match with someone in my same group. but i read the air and adapt to whatever someone wants to do. want to putt ‘em, fine. no worries.

 

when you’re playing against a flock of guys for money in different groups, not crazy about people giving gimmes.

 

hmmmm. is it a flock of golfers or a gaggle? how about a murder like a murder of crows? what is the collective noun?

 

i feel people are untrustworthy more and more. some guys will say to give me this putt and i’ll split the skin with you.

 

i had a ball hanging over the hole on a par 3 with a closest to the hole prize. came back the next week to collect it and something else and was told someone else won it. oh really? they had a hole in one? no hole in one last week.

 

who won it? can’t remember.

 

never the money, always the principle.

 

in japan the hole has a small bell at the bottom of the cup. no satisfying sound of the ball rattling. sounds more like this:

 

 

sorry for the long post. didn’t have time to write a short one.

 

 

 

 

 

[Soloman1]

1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

Posting this as a public service announcement…. Cut your mechanic some slack.  This guy accurately describes why it’s hard to make a living turning wrenches anymore. He’s long winded at the beginning. Bare with it. He gets there. And why you constantly have a car that’s “ reoffending “ and has to be taken back to be worked on for the same thing again.  
 

the real thought is this. It’s not just cars. All manner of engineering projects are like  this.  From roads and bridges to homes to even healthcare.  We don’t have access to quality anymore. Junk junk junk.  This is a societal problem.  Not just my problem 🤣

 

 

 

 

well, there are plenty of people masquerading as mechanics, too. but i get the quality thing.

 

i need to get brakes done again. grrr. had them done a year ago and the place screwed it up. i don’t drive much now, maybe 50 miles per month. really. and they torqued it enough to damage front two (new) rotors.

 

the only other thing i’ve had done was a recall for wiring to taillights. all done and i leave the dealer. i open the trunk a couple of days later and they had to run it through the spare tire well. guy took out the spare, rewired and threw the tire in the trunk. couldn’t even be bothered to put it back in the well.

 

parts and people suck. 🙂

 

 

Edited April 30 by Soloman1

[mshills]

Not comprehensive or exhaustive, but if I see someone using a torque wrench to tighten lug nuts, that guy gets a 👍🏼 for giving an F and doing something right, whether he’s completing brake work, rotating tires, whatever.
 

Seeing someone use an impact wrench to tighten lug nuts makes me 🤬. 

[miamistomp]

happy birthday to the one and only Willie Nelson, 91 years young today.

 

 

 

[mshills]

Business travel for Willie over the years was likely a bit different than me, but the same attitude about it after too much travel. 😂
 

We were headed home to Austin
Caught pneumonia on the road
Taking it home to Connie and the kids…
A wheel run off and jumped a railroad
Then ran through a grocery store.
If you want to buy a bus, I'm taking bids!

[scotee]

4 hours ago, Double Mocha Man said:

 

I'm playing golf today. My partners usually give me one footers if they're flat. Today I'm just going to routinely knock them all in the hole and listen to that satisfying cup rattle.

 

Why you should just take the tap-ins.

 

 

[BIG STU]

5 hours ago, iceman1118 said:

Since we are on the topic of putting (one of my favorite topics), I would love to hear everyone’s thoughts about today’s putter technology. Head size, shafts, groove and insert tech, LAB, Evnroll, broomsticks, good old fashioned 8802s, etc. Is this new age of technology what we should all be embracing or do we think it is just a current trend? Or is putting just so personal that it really is what works for each person?

 

I know personally I have some days where I have 28 putts and I feel like Im going to be the next Brad Faxon. Then the next day putting feels like teaching Japanese to a monkey. 

Deep down I think the technology is here to stay. I always believe anything that helps is beneficial. But on the flip side I also see the idea of we are swinging a weight on the end of a stick what, 3 mph? And were just rolling the ball 20 feet that way? How card could that be, right!

IMHO nothing correct or incorrect here. It is whatever one feels best using new or old. Me personally I am old school do not like insert putters or grooved putters

[BIG STU]

5 hours ago, mshills said:

Since persimmon clubs (though the TM R510 TP was pretty good!) are gone, the most satisfying sound in golf is the ball dropping into the cup. 🙂

 

If you think persimmon woods are gone you need to go over on the Classics Section of WRX or stop by my house

[mshills]

2 minutes ago, BIG STU said:

If you think persimmon woods are gone you need to go over on the Classics Section of WRX or stop by my house

Y’all know what I meant. 

[Soloman1]

9 hours ago, braincramp52 said:

Is there any data out there on common sense between 1960 to 2023?😅

 no one has had the common sense to collect that since the year 2000.

[dashanks]

6 hours ago, Nard_S said:

Best driver I own, still use every now and again. Best looking, sounding Ti club. On the screws long as anything. Still has that sweet ting to it.

Maybe you know.  Did they make a 510TP in 10.5 loft?  I have one but I always wondered if it was bogus.  10.5 doesn't seem right for a TP.  Looks good otherwise.

[bladehunter]

5 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

 

 

well, there are plenty of people masquerading as mechanics, too. but i get the quality thing.

 

i need to get brakes done again. grrr. had them done a year ago and the place screwed it up. i don’t drive much now, maybe 50 miles per month. really. and they torqued it enough to damage front two (new) rotors.

 

the only other thing i’ve had done was a recall for wiring to taillights. all done and i leave the dealer. i open the trunk a couple of days later and they had to run it through the spare tire well. guy took out the spare, rewired and threw the tire in the trunk. couldn’t even be bothered to put it back in the well.

 

parts and people suck. 🙂

 

 

For sure. People do suck. Buti honestly think the parts situation lays cover fire  for sucky people. 24 years ago when I hung my single , you had to get it right.  Or else.  Now … some folks know how bad parts are and will be patient. This gives the bad guys a cover story everytime.  
 

I just know it’s crazy.  I basically have to bench test all new parts before install.  Just to save the time of double labor. And in reality it’s still nearly double labor.  I haven’t found the new labor rate that’s profitable.  And in 2001-2004 I was profitable at $27 a hour for general mechanics.  ( paint work was always more then) . And have the tax records to prove it. Hindsight says I was too cheap then. But I was also getting my foot in the door. 
 

now you bump up against numbers an hour that get gasps.  And pushback verbally.  But yet they aren’t profitable.  There has to be a crashing point coming.  Both in general and in the import hardgoods market.  

[bladehunter]

37 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

 no one has had the common sense to collect that since the year 2000.

Fun fact. 2000 ish was the peak of human evolution.  When we fit  ourselves with trackers and info drips , we crossed over.  On the backside side now. Full speed.  

[dashanks]

1 hour ago, scotee said:

 

Why you should just take the tap-ins.

 

 

That fox is worse than Sergio.

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, scotee said:

 

Why you should just take the tap-ins.

 

 

Fun fact. Foxes pee on everything.  If you have tame/rescue foxes , they’ll pee in their water bowl so often.  You have to have decoy water bowls. And have the real ones hung up so they can barely reach.  A fix enclosure rivals a chicken house for ammonia smell.  And chickens stink.

[dashanks]

6 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

For sure. People do suck. Buti honestly think the parts situation lays cover fire  for sucky people. 24 years ago when I hung my single , you had to get it right.  Or else.  Now … some folks know how bad parts are and will be patient. This gives the bad guys a cover story everytime.  
 

I just know it’s crazy.  I basically have to bench test all new parts before install.  Just to save the time of double labor. And in reality it’s still nearly double labor.  I haven’t found the new labor rate that’s profitable.  And in 2001-2004 I was profitable at $27 a hour for general mechanics.  ( paint work was always more then) . And have the tax records to prove it. Hindsight says I was too cheap then. But I was also getting my foot in the door. 
 

now you bump up against numbers an hour that get gasps.  And pushback verbally.  But yet they aren’t profitable.  There has to be a crashing point coming.  Both in general and in the import hardgoods market.  

I bet you hear every story anyone has about a time they were wronged by a mechanic.  I get the same thing. Sc--bag cop stories.  

[bladehunter]

13 minutes ago, dashanks said:

I bet you hear every story anyone has about a time they were wronged by a mechanic.  I get the same thing. Sc--bag cop stories.  

Oh yea. Just last week I was told “ all you upstate  painters are alike “ . I just looked at the guy like “ wtf does that mean “.    He was referring to my refusing to work for free after the time quote had run over , because of his car being a bigger pile than first glance suggested.  I’m just to the end of it with people  expecting me to make their ends meet.  
 

I am glad that the market finally started matching what I’ve been seeing for 2-3 years. 🤣…. I’m not alone now. 

[scotee]

1 hour ago, bladehunter said:

Fun fact. Foxes pee on everything.  If you have tame/rescue foxes , they’ll pee in their water bowl so often.  You have to have decoy water bowls. And have the real ones hung up so they can barely reach.  A fix enclosure rivals a chicken house for ammonia smell.  And chickens stink.

 

We had four kits right in our yard a few years ago. Seemed pretty tame and played like puppies do.

 

 

[Nard_S]

1 hour ago, dashanks said:

Maybe you know.  Did they make a 510TP in 10.5 loft?  I have one but I always wondered if it was bogus.  10.5 doesn't seem right for a TP.  Looks good otherwise.

Yeah they did. And they were selling 7.5 & 8.5 too. I have the 9.5. Plenty low, would not want less.

[Petethreeput]

My neighbor shoots them.  When they run across our yard to get to their hen houses we give em a text and he removes them.  We have them all over the place and they do like a good fresh chicken.  The coyotes also meet their maker.  Dang we have a lot of those things running around.