2018 United States Open

[NPVWhiz]

 

Fox : "You know how people at home hate the morons who yell in the crowd? Well, we decided to mic the stands."

 

I was thinking, "How could this be any worse?", and then I realized that they could just put roving analysts out there in the stands with a mic, asking "Whaddya think?"

 

They could just find these people in the crowd and GIVE them mics, then they could do an additional channel like Nascar, where you can just listen in on their conversations the entire day, instead of the coverage. That might be brilliant. Or it might draw the ire of the FCC. Or both!

[JaNelson38]

Rose losing concentration.

 

This is a great test for the most disciplined mind that can stay razor sharp in the face of constant torment and torture.

 

Between 1960 and 1982, the great Jack Nicklaus finished inside the top 10 in 17 U.S. Opens, including a stretch between 1971 and 1982 where he missed the top 10 only once, and it was by a single stroke.

 

I can not recall Jack whining, moaning and complaining about how unfair or ridiculous the USGA set ups were, or calling it clown golf.

 

Because it wasn't clown golf back then. It was a great GOLF tournament, a fair tough test to showcase the players. Something the USGA seems to have forgotten how to do...the USGA of late is acting like a bunch of drama queens who only want attention, even if its negative.

 

The players who normally contend on a "fair" set-up are the same players contending on this supposedly unfair course. What might this imply?

 

The point is we aren't talking about the players. We are once again discussing course setup. It's the only major championship where course setup and condition is a major factor in the outcome of the tournament EVERY YEAR.

 

I mean, for tomorrow, we aren't talking about Koepka back to back. Or Reed trying to win the second major in a row. Or DJ winning another major. All that is being talked about is how the USGA is going to "fix" this. Its ridiculous.

[cardoza]

How about 14 today?

 

536 par 4. Closest approach was more than 30 feet away. Average score 4.6. Zero birdies. 34 pars.. 33 bogeys or worse.

 

67 of the best players in the world and not a single birdie. Is that just really a hard hole, or is that stupid?

 

Would your feelings change if they called it a par 5 and didn't change anything else?

[jonsnow]

Would the course still be "lost" if the event was played as a par 72 this year? Me thinks not and that people would be forced into praising the USGA for an amazing set up.

 

Good question.

 

 

Seriously ... Tie at the top of the leaderboard at -3 and everybody is amped for an exciting Sunday.

 

Really? I see no one saying the score is the problem. The greens are the problem.

 

I don't care if the 18th is a par 4 or 5, but the ball should not roll 10 feet past when you tap it from above the hole.

 

I don't care what par is, but when you land the ball 8 ft right of the hole with no spin, the ball should not just roll ten feet and into a bunker like koepkas did on 16

 

Here's an idea: don't hit it above the hole.

[tatertot]

How about 14 today?

 

536 par 4. Closest approach was more than 30 feet away. Average score 4.6. Zero birdies. 34 pars.. 33 bogeys or worse.

 

67 of the best players in the world and not a single birdie. Is that just really a hard hole, or is that stupid?

 

No it’s all the players fault putters went cold -_-

 

Call it a par 5 ... 34 birdies, played almost a half stroke under par. No eagles. I don't think putting is the problem ... 536 yard par 4 might be.

[flopshotscott]

Rose losing concentration.

 

This is a great test for the most disciplined mind that can stay razor sharp in the face of constant torment and torture.

 

Between 1960 and 1982, the great Jack Nicklaus finished inside the top 10 in 17 U.S. Opens, including a stretch between 1971 and 1982 where he missed the top 10 only once, and it was by a single stroke.

 

I can not recall Jack whining, moaning and complaining about how unfair or ridiculous the USGA set ups were, or calling it clown golf.

They also didn't trick up greens like they do now.

id like to know what people mean by "trick up". back in the day when these courses were built winning scores were much higher than they are now ... for example, in 1900 Vardon won the US Open with scores of 79, 78, 76 & 80. this shows OPen courses have been made easier over time, and if anything the USGA is closest to making the game play truest to its roots

 

Scoring is not the problem with this US Open and is not what should be used to compare to US Opens of the past.

 

This course has all of the great features of the US opens of old: deep roughs, tricky pin placements, false fronts etc.

 

This US Open also has one abominable characteristic of the modern US Open though: greens that are faster and drier than the course was ever designed to have.

[PGArox]

Are you kidding? At the "Massacre at Winged Foot," in 1974, the rough was seven inches high ... eight or nine in the odd places ... and Jack himself putted off a couple greens.

 

In 1972, at Pebble Beach, the cut was +10 and Jack won it at +2. Second place was +5 and third was +6. Believe me, those guys saw some brutal set ups in their day.

 

 

And players said it was a farce then.

 

But Jack didn't, did he? ;)

[stu_man]

Rose losing concentration.

 

This is a great test for the most disciplined mind that can stay razor sharp in the face of constant torment and torture.

 

Between 1960 and 1982, the great Jack Nicklaus finished inside the top 10 in 17 U.S. Opens, including a stretch between 1971 and 1982 where he missed the top 10 only once, and it was by a single stroke.

 

I can not recall Jack whining, moaning and complaining about how unfair or ridiculous the USGA set ups were, or calling it clown golf.

They also didn't trick up greens like they do now.

id like to know what people mean by "trick up". back in the day when these courses were built winning scores were much higher than they are now ... for example, in 1900 Vardon won the US Open with scores of 79, 78, 76 & 80. this shows OPen courses have been made easier over time, and if anything the USGA is closest to making the game play truest to its roots

 

It's the Chirkinian factor. This fascination with under/over par is ludicrous. Before CBS, they just showed total strokes.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Rose losing concentration.

 

This is a great test for the most disciplined mind that can stay razor sharp in the face of constant torment and torture.

 

Between 1960 and 1982, the great Jack Nicklaus finished inside the top 10 in 17 U.S. Opens, including a stretch between 1971 and 1982 where he missed the top 10 only once, and it was by a single stroke.

 

I can not recall Jack whining, moaning and complaining about how unfair or ridiculous the USGA set ups were, or calling it clown golf.

They also didn't trick up greens like they do now.

id like to know what people mean by "trick up". back in the day when these courses were built winning scores were much higher than they are now ... for example, in 1900 Vardon won the US Open with scores of 79, 78, 76 & 80. this shows OPen courses have been made easier over time, and if anything the USGA is closest to making the game play truest to its roots

Stimps back then weren't even close to today.

[tgoodspe1991]

Not sure if anyone is going to agree with me but:

 

Fox is terrible at golf coverage.

Listening to these announcers is absolutely painful.

Listening to Paul Azinger defend the USGA and the golf course is annoying.

Listening to Paul Azinger in general is annoying, period.

The golf course is incredibly hard, unrealistically so. But what else is new? This is what the USGA has done every single year. I'm not surprised whatsoever this is what's happening.

Fox is terrible at golf coverage.

[tgoodspe1991]

Scoring is not the problem with this US Open and is not what should be used to compare to US Opens of the past.

 

This course has all of the great features of the US opens of old: deep roughs, tricky pin placements, false fronts etc.

 

This US Open also has one abominable characteristic of the modern US Open though: greens that are faster and drier than the course was ever designed to have.

 

This is one of the biggest problems. False fronts, tricky pin placements, knobs on greens, etc. are all great challenges. However, they become unfair tests of golf when they were designed for stimps of 8/9 and the USGA gets them rolling at 13/14... these greens are NOT designed for speeds like this.

 

It's like asking pros to play into really hilly basketball courts lol

[youdamantiger]

I've never been a big fan of DJ, but he earned a ton of respect from me today for not bitchin' and moanin' about the course. I'm rooting for him tomorrow.

[JD3]

Stimps back then weren't even close to today.

Neither was the equipment. Just as courses have been lengthened, greens have increased pace.

[Jagpilotohio]

How about 14 today?

 

536 par 4. Closest approach was more than 30 feet away. Average score 4.6. Zero birdies. 34 pars.. 33 bogeys or worse.

 

67 of the best players in the world and not a single birdie. Is that just really a hard hole, or is that stupid?

 

Would your feelings change if they called it a par 5 and didn't change anything else?

 

If you really watched the approach shots there you wouldn’t be asking me that.

[Bubb]

a good test of golf today for the best in the world....cut the whining

Two different courses today. Mike Davis admitted it and the scores confirm it.

[PGArox]

I've never been a big fan of DJ, but he earned a ton of respect from me today for not bitchin' and moanin' about the course. I'm rooting for him tomorrow.

 

DJ showed the heart of a champion today. I think he wins tomorrow.

[BiggErn]

Are you kidding? At the "Massacre at Winged Foot," in 1974, the rough was seven inches high ... eight or nine in the odd places ... and Jack himself putted off a couple greens.

 

In 1972, at Pebble Beach, the cut was +10 and Jack won it at +2. Second place was +5 and third was +6. Believe me, those guys saw some brutal set ups in their day.

 

 

And players said it was a farce then.

 

But Jack didn't, did he? ;)

 

Of course he did. Regardless of how it’s worded it means the same thing.

[JaNelson38]

The sad part is they could soak the course this evening and it's not going to help much. When you lose a course like this it takes more than one night to recover.

[bladehunter]

SO I go out and follow my kids match and come back to find that they have let this get out of hand. Lol. Davis andhis goobs are just too greedy when it comes to this course. It’s a shame. Could have been a goood tournament. I’m sure al those who missed the cut on the line are glad they did.

No actually they aren't if they stayed status quo they would be 4 shots off the lead!

 

 

 

NAH. Nobody is making up 4 strokes tomorow. Not on all 4 guys leading. I’m guessing everyone backs up tomorow. Maybe +6 wins?

[BiggErn]

SO I go out and follow my kids match and come back to find that they have let this get out of hand. Lol. Davis andhis goobs are just too greedy when it comes to this course. Its a shame. Could have been a goood tournament. Im sure al those who missed the cut on the line are glad they did.

No actually they aren't if they stayed status quo they would be 4 shots off the lead!

 

 

 

NAH. Nobody is making up 4 strokes tomorow. Not on all 4 guys leading. Im guessing everyone backs up tomorow. Maybe +6 wins?

 

 

You can’t make up 4 strokes but but the guys ahead can blow 4 strokes.

[bladehunter]

I wonder if they paint the greens tonight ? Pretty brown from what I see.

[rangersgoalie]

Are you kidding? At the "Massacre at Winged Foot," in 1974, the rough was seven inches high ... eight or nine in the odd places ... and Jack himself putted off a couple greens.

 

In 1972, at Pebble Beach, the cut was +10 and Jack won it at +2. Second place was +5 and third was +6. Believe me, those guys saw some brutal set ups in their day.

 

 

And players said it was a farce then.

 

 

 

But Jack didn't, did he? ;)

 

 

Jack was smart enough not to say it, and there was not instant news then

He allegedly made comments about the obviously bad Hazeltine the first time according to some.

He blasted the TPC Sawgrass early on.

Carnac was not afraid of comment, but was wise enough to keep it quiet

[PGArox]

a good test of golf today for the best in the world....cut the whining

 

Two different courses today. Mike Davis admitted it and the scores confirm it.

 

Brooks Koepka shot a 72. Justin Rose a 73. Even under the most brutal conditions, these are the scores which are possible.

 

The guys who keep their heads and execute with amazing precision can shoot these scores. The ones who can't can always whine, moan and complain.

[JaNelson38]

a good test of golf today for the best in the world....cut the whining

 

Two different courses today. Mike Davis admitted it and the scores confirm it.

 

Brooks Koepka shot a 72. Justin Rose a 73. Even under the most brutal conditions, these are the scores which are possible.

 

The guys who keep their heads and execute with amazing precision can shoot these scores. The ones who can't can always whine, moan and complain.

 

Koepka complained plenty in his presser, in a backhanded sort of way. Rose got in a couple of shots too.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Stimps back then weren't even close to today.

Neither was the equipment. Just as courses have been lengthened, greens have increased pace.

A ball still rolls the same on greens. Putter technology driven a need to change greens.

[rangersgoalie]

If they water too much the greens will turn to plinko in the afternoon

Dont water enough and get a repeat of '04

 

I'd love to see wind pop up hard tomorrow afternoon and some player early win doing what Berger and Finau did

[IH82BOGEY]

I've never been a big fan of DJ, but he earned a ton of respect from me today for not bitchin' and moanin' about the course. I'm rooting for him tomorrow.

 

DJ showed the heart of a champion today. I think he wins tomorrow.

 

USGA will overcorrect and make the course too soft. A host of guys could win it tomorrow.

[JaNelson38]

I've never been a big fan of DJ, but he earned a ton of respect from me today for not bitchin' and moanin' about the course. I'm rooting for him tomorrow.

 

DJ showed the heart of a champion today. I think he wins tomorrow.

 

USGA will overcorrect and make the course too soft. A host of guys could win it tomorrow.

 

They cant get it "too soft". It's already too far gone for that.

[rangersgoalie]

Mike Davis

We felt good this morning

 

More wind, and with the speed

Yet again

[BiggErn]

The greens need a lot of water and they need to be “smart” with the pin placements.